So, what's the explanation?

Not many people live in Greenland

>>8715947
Probably a number of factors, some of them may be genetic, others socioeconomic. We don't really know, and this is not helped by how taboo this research is considered in psychology.

If that's accurate it's worse than I thought.

What is this graph trying to convey? Temperature F°?

Stormweenies are completely retarded

>>8715947
Explanation of what? I'm a brainlet, forgive me for not being able to decypher this. At first I thought temperature, but obviously not.

Is it about racemixing?

Tfw brainlet compared to nork

>>8716002
>>8716005
>>8716007
IQ by country.

>>8716012
Oh no wonder considering they didn't bother labeling anything.

>>8716002
temperature is above 100 in northern europe and NA, and below 65 in africa. Definitely temperature.

>>8715947
>People in poor countries with low access to education have a tendency towards lower IQs
Fascinating

Is IQ influenced by epigenetics?
Also, afaik, IQ isn't only related to genetic brain-capacity, but also to the education of the tested people. I've heard the avg IQ of a modern population rises slowly, so the tests (or their examination?) are tweaked from time to time to keep them averaging around 100.

>>8715947

>nobody in Greenland bothered to take the test

Island of lazy but smart obviously.

>>8715947
>Italy highest in Europe

As an Italian I don't find the image reliable.

>>8715947
Shouldn't niggers have a pretty high average iq?
They live in very hostile environments and they need wits to survive.

>>8716690
all the non-retarded ones realize the intelligent course of action is to get the hell out of africa

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>>8715951
>taboo research
It's like we're still living in the middle ages!
Another taboo is pic related

>>8716819
>fake science
>on top of fake science
L M F A O desu senpai

>>8716836
OK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_personality

>>8715947
mostly white with a pinch of cherokee, and my iq is 168 sb5, and 127/129 cat asvab, far over the curve for an american, surviving i can say

>>8715947
How developed/prosperous a country is, quite obviously. Japs, taiwan, korea and singapore are the highest for this reason. Chinese IQ is taken from Shanghai samples I think, they cheated, so they reflect the most developed of their cities as well, like the other Asian Tigers. Western Europe is understandably high as well, eastern Europe and the balkans lag behind because they were Ottoman slaves or Soviet satellites for a good part of their history, although I'm willing to bet that the USSR's IQ was higher due to the socialist science-heavy education. Africa is a shithole so its IQ is far behind, same for the Middle East due to the Christian/Islam divide. Islamic societies didn't evolve scientifically, culturally and economically along with the West, so now they're left behind significantly.

>>8716847
>extraversion positively related to IQ
How so? Most geniuses are über autists.

>>8716819
>'Giftedness'
kek

>>8716868
North korea?

>>8716895
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_giftedness

>>8715947
We all know it's purely genetic. Obviously being born on a privileged background means that you are naturally smarter than everyone else.

Are there any charts of IQ by race? Not by country?

IQ tests are essentially logic puzzles. Logic is a trainable quality and bushmen in Africa have no need to learn it, while children in the US learn "logic" early due to exposure to numbers in early childhood, toys that are often puzzle like and reading and writing.

IQ tests are a joke and are not nearly as predictive as people think. It wasn't until the 70s, with th implementation of standardized testing meant to examine innate talent that people started pushing iQ tests, but recent meta-analysis of those tests have shown their predictive nature is much murkier.

I wish /pol/ would go.

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>>8716508
You don't need an education to take an IQ test. Raven's Matrices requires no formal education/language/etc requirements. Nice try brainlet.

>>8716597
Italians invented tons of shit we use all the time.

>>8716819

Ah yes, I remember when we calculated giftedness in my quantum psychology class

Genetics, intellectual environment while growing up and nutrition

>>8716956
>IQ bad
>everyone on /sci/ is /pol/ because I say so
All future posts ignored. Have fun with your small IQ brainlet ;)

>>8715947

It must be a combination of two factors:

1. Genetics. Some phenotypes are more disposed to having lower or higher IQ than others.

2. Socio-economic factors. Everyday life in different regions requires differnt intensity in use of abstract reasoning, and in some places education/work ethic is valued more/more accessible than in others.

>>8716956
>but recent meta-analysis of those tests have shown their predictive nature is much murkier.

This is absolutely false unless you cherry-pick data.

IQ tests measure g-factor with very high precision, and g-factor is a very heritable trait. All of this is supported by most unbiased/un-politicized research.

>>8717002
What is g-factor ?

>>8717017
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)
It means all intelligences are connected. So the "it's ok you're not good at math, people have different intelligences" is a lot less true than it's been said.

>>8717002
being fat has the same concordance rate as iq
heritable isn't the same as genetic
being a doctor is heritable

what's the iq of a psychologist that makes IQ tests you reckon. they're probably very good at converting arithmetic to symbols to make a simple task and then mashing a few simple tasks together to make a complicated pattern
>>8716965
they don't require an education, but an education helps, just look at any iq test and tell me how it isn't xor, and, or, rotations etc.

i get that it's a predictor, but it has significant flaws

>>8717078
>being fat has the same concordance rate as iq
>heritable isn't the same as genetic
>being a doctor is heritable

Being heritably fat is easily cured by strict self-discipline in most cases.

Being heritably a doctor can easily be fixed by strong interest in other field of inquiry.

G-factor is very different from these cases. Of course, it varies from non-genetic causes - in one month one's person IQ can vary by as much as 10 points. But it is extremely genetic - not in a way that being a doctor or fat is. Read "Mainstream Science on Intelligence". You can get smarter by desiring to be smarter - but only inasfar as your biology allows it.

>>8716965
However, education does help you raiae your IQ. Again you should youse the minesota one. I suppose we need more papers to conclude correctly.

>>8717046
>So the "it's ok you're not good at math, people have different intelligences" is a lot less true than it's been said
Well, that's pretty obvious to see for non-brainlets. But brainlets seem to actually buy it

>>8716819
>Giftedness
What a brainlet graph.

MBTI is also a meme.

>>8717157
Is it still a meme though, if we ignore MBTI and other bullshit tests?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_cognitive_functions

>>8717154
>Well, that's pretty obvious to see for non-brainlets. But brainlets seem to actually buy it

A lot of gifted people who are ruined by poststructuralist/postmodernist/feminist sophistry think that IQ is entirely socially determined/different people have different inelligences since people have no inherent biology. It's not about being a "brainlet" in a lot of cases.

>>8717176
>But anon, saying that not every human is equal goes against political correctness! Clearly you are just a racist bigot
I wonder how many of the really influential people actually DO know that most humans are stupid and can be easily manipulated

>>8715947
Like there's ever been a reliable IQ test in North Korea or Somalia.

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It's hard to make a conclusion either way but i am very skeptical of the idea that evolution stopped at the brain.

>>8717111
>the non-genetic parts of iq are actually extremely genetic
i was critiquing twin studies and the figure 75% of iq "is genetic"
believe what you will, too many holes all of them can't be filled, murphy's law

>>8716819

>Perceiving people are more gifted than judging

Gotta call bullshit on this one m8.

Of course, creative intuition is absolutely important, but it is worth nothing if it doesn't pass through critical examination. Unless, of course, we talking about the kind of giftedness expressed by artists, but such one is incompatible to giftedness of Einstein or Darwin.

>>8717236
The P/J letters are switched for the introverted types since they describe how the person interacts with the world, not how his mind is working.

Suriname and British Guyana are pretty much 90% black African but magically their IQ is a lot higher than Africa

I suspect this entire map to be fake and the creator not realizing that Suriname and British Guyana aren't Latino countries but black countries.

>>8717154
>>8717176 is right. Relativism can appear in any mind. I do believe that the gifted relativists just lean towards that, knowing that there is some heritability in intelligence though.

>>8715947
the obvious trend is people near the equator are dumber than those near the poles.

warm weather is easier to deal with so intelligence isnt as big of a factor in natural selection.

cold weather is much more difficult to deal with.

>>8715947
> Italy has higher IQ than most of Europe

As an Italian, I can definitely say this chart is flawed

>>8715947
Long story short, the Neanderthals were probably autistic which led to their extermination at the hands of the normie hordes, which means that the whites and Asians that bred with them have higher IQ on average than the blacks that never came in contact with them.

>>8715949
How much more people need to live there so we can get proper stadistics for once?

>>8716002
The probability that you live in Africa?
All jokes aside, many graphs show N/A data for African counties but this one does? Definite bull I will call on this

>>8715947
Poor healthcare, lack of proper nutrition, pollution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_health_on_intelligence

Hur dur wikipedia ... and everything's sourced.

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>>8715951
>socioeconomic
wrong

>>8717758
What I'm seeing here is evidence that socioeconomic status can have an effect on performance, even though there is clearly a genetic element. Since the Africans are clearly not in the same socioeconomic conditions are the Europeans, I think it's fair to say that comparing the two and saying it's all genetic would be a bit silly.

>>8717758
>I posted it again, mom!

>>8715947
the map is wrong

>>8717758
That is not a iq test

Is intelligence actually genetic?
I know personality and temperament are somewhat hereditary but I never knew intelligence is slightly too

>>8716857
>pinch of cherokee,
*breathes in*
MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH
*Gasps for air, then resumes*
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8717204
Exactly, it is absurd that brainlets are so sure of evolution in every other species, but oh no sir! Not humans! We are special! Evolution just skipped completely over us!

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>>8715947
DIS IS WASIST WAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8719489
humans are a bottlenecked population and two smart people chosen from any two races will produce a smart offspring, if intelligence is genetic

you would have a point otherwise.

no one is going to ask for the sauce of the OP image???

because I do, pls OP provide me the source of your map

>>8720001
It's probably from that book IQ and the Wealth of
Nations.

muh IQ

once people start talking about IQ, I know they don't have any of it

>>8720197
>t. enlightened atheist teenager

>>8720915
>t. redpilled undergrad

>>8720001
>richard lynn
why is 95% of the data always coming from this guy, he is provably biased and unreliable, shown to change his sources just to argue a political narrative

The Chinese language and character system is basically a vast mathematical program in and of itself.

You'd have to practice that shit 10 hours everyday for months and years to get proficient in their language.

>>8716984
>Some phenotypes are more disposed to having lower or higher IQ than others.
IQ is already a phenotype in itself just like any other trait you can imagine, if you believe iq is genetic i guess

the phenotype high iq/low iq is not particular to races, unless you define races in terms of iq

phenotype doesn't mean the looks of a person

>>8720982
>IQ is already a phenotype in itself
that's not what phenotype means, moron.

phenotype is ALL of the characters of an organism, not just one.

>>8720984
>A phenotypic trait, or simply trait, is a distinct variant of a phenotypic characteristic of an organism; it may be either inherited or determined environmentally, but typically occurs as a combination of the two.[1] For example, eye color is a character of an organism, while blue, brown and hazel are traits.

you know what i meant, either way my point stands

Do people actually believe the "Chinese are intelligent" meme?

>>8720989
>you know what i meant,
no, I educated you
>either way my point stands
low IQ I see.

>>8720994
who is better at math and science, chinese women or white women

>>8721000
replace phenotype with phenotypic trait
what's wrong with my point?

>>8715947
Black people are fucking stupid. Now clearly there are some smart, respectable ones but, anyone whos met enough of them knows the vast majority of them are retarded. Why do you think cops shoot more black people, even when the police officer is black? Its because animals become very unpredictable when they are cornered. Black people tend to, run, attack, reach into their pockets, not listen to the officers commands when confronted by police. Its not because they are bad people in most cases, they are just too stupid to know better and, basic fight or flight insicts kick in.

>but anon, what about the black people who dindu nuffin and still got shot

Yes, there are some and, they are unfortunate statistics. The fact of the matter is, police are used to black people acting like fucking apes so if you corner hundreds of gorillas and 90% of them fight back, the 10% that dont are going to throw you off. You may end up thinking some of the 10% are going to fight back and make a mistake. The black lives matter campaign is everything thats wrong with society.

>>8721005
>what's wrong with my point?
there's no objective measure of subjectivity.
IQ is a flawed metric.

also it's not a binary high/low.

so your point suffers a number of failures equal to the number of points in a line. It's badness approaches infinity.

>>8721008
>there's no objective measure of subjectivity.
>IQ is a flawed metric.
i don't disagree here, but assuming it wasn't flawed why wouldn't i rely on iq itself instead of race to judge what iq someone has, since iq is a trait i can "look at" by giving someone a test
>also it's not a binary high/low.
that's an easy fix, just choose a number - say
dumb race < 125 < smart race
?

>>8721011
>assuming it wasn't flawed
you hastily made that assumption in your claim. It IS flawed and you pretended it isn't.
>just choose a number
not quite objective enough for science.
there's less utility in making data simpler.

>>8721007
Uh oh, someone on /sci/ spoke the truth about race. RIP thread.

I know the answer and the longer I read this thread the less I want to provide it to you :S

How was I like this once??? 4chan is a retards dead end. Leave while
You still can.

Your sister's ass.

>>8721409
You are clearly the retard if you think that there is an answer. That map is entirely made up. Step down off your high horse and kill yourself.

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>>8721832
What a well thought out, articulate, considerate, insightful post anon. It really wrinkled my think sack.

>>8721878
is that chicken on the left?

>>8721902
Looks like a cat brain maybe?

>>8721878
Dont try to insult me because you got called out on your bullshit. It just makes to look more retarded.

>>8715951

>we don't really know

yeah i'm so fucking confused by this, just what could it be?

>>8721945
cats have more wrinkles iirc

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>>8721945
>Dont try to insult me because you got called out on your bullshit. It just makes to look more retarded.


I'm not the anon you think I am. I was simply kvetching about your shitty ass post for the hell of it. Also I wanted to post my thinksack to make it spread, it has meme potential.

We have plenty of correlations with IQ.

What are the valuable benefits of IQ at the population level?

When I see successful people, they don't necessarily have to be super smart. Instead, they have to be insightful in some specific way, and also have the ability to position themselves socially. Personally speaking, there's lots of idiots who are more successful than me.

My theory is that IQ and "intelligence" in general doesn't tell us anything about how successful or productive a population will be.

>>8721962
>inb4 you've either failed all stats classes you've taken or haven't taken any.

>>8716819
It's a meme with in a meme

>>8717168
Yes

White people came to Africa and took their resources that's why they have low IQ nowadays.

>>8723997
>look at Germany
>look at IQ

>look at Africa
>look at IQ

Gotta be something about IQ and productivity, man.

>>8715947
african culture tend not to be the one that promotes education and promotes "grow up so you could make us money in some shitty working place"

>>8721902

Koala brain.

>>8724601
Is that your scientific analysis? Sad.
Even IF that were a valid assertion, look at North Korea.

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The brain is like a cpu, more efficient in colder environments. This is even imparted on non-human entities divided by geography.

>>8724639
>implying North Korea, with their starving and enslave population, has a high IQ
>implying that even if they have a score, it isn't manipulated by the government like everything else

>>8724657
So people on inhabitable places like nothern Siberia or Northern Canada have bigger brains. Why haven't they dominated everyone else?
Why have jews and mediterranean eurpeans got to rule the world if they come from warm areas?

>>8724673
uninhabitable*

>>8724670
I'm just pointing at what the map says.
You raise a good point though. Most countries barely have functioning schools and health care, how the hell did they measure IQ?

>>8724673
while they have the biggest brains due to heat transfer, they also had to remain as hunter gatherers due to their local eco-geographic adaptations.

>>8724681
There certainly are people with at least partial ancestry from these places in the western world. Why aren't they disproportionaly represented in intellectual fields?
I'd argue that they do have bigger brains, but that doesn't mean a lot for intelligence among humans.

>>8715947
Some combination of genetic and environmental factors. I'm not sure what would cause IQ to not be selected for in Sub-Saharan Africa, though in the Islamic world cousin marriage was an issue. It could be that colder climates in Europe selected for intelligence, but I'm not sure how well that explains East Asia.

>>8715947


It is very likely due to existing circumstances that arise from poverty. The sheer impact of poverty on intelligence is extreme. High stress during fetal development reduces IQ, lack of nutrients, especially fats during fetal development reduces IQ, lack of adequate nutrition in childhood, high stress and lack of education could absolutely account for the deficit in these nations.

The largest factor here is nutrition, healthcare and education. There is no significant evidence whatsoever that relates intelligence across ethnicities to specific genes.

Also many of those areas are genetically diverse so we'd expect to see some stratification in intelligence if this was due to genetics.

I think it is worth noting that a man of average intelligence in the 1950s US would test at about an 85 today. This was likely due to worse nutrition and prenatal care.

There is no real reason to believe that when Africa develops and they have improved health and education that they will not have very similar levels of intelligence to other areas.

>>8724673

thousands of years of reading the same exact fucking book over and over again from infancy to age 13 and then from 13 on a career in trading commodities or loaning money with interest would likely tend to increase both verbal and quantitative reasoning. not to mention that jewish law is strict about conversion and forbids marriage outside of the faith, which was punishable up until very recently so you have higher frequency of trait preservation than any other group who relative to jews didn't get the best choice in partners for most of history.

>>8724738
Isn't there an element of genetic confounding in poverty, as in, poor people are more likely to make poor decisions because of lower intelligence, on average?

>>8717845
Good point. I think the guy you're replying to is just tired of of the silly PC answers that exclude a lot of other info

>>8716857
>pinch of Cherokee

Go fuck yourself, susan

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>>8719483

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>>8724657
>the brain is like a cpu
>cold whether meme

gulfstream + oceanic climate = balkans have harsher winters than scandinavia

>>8721007
dude u are on /sci :( ,poor fag

>>8715947
Proves that IQ can be developed or suppressed in formative years by different environments. Look at feral children. Genetically speaking, had they been exposed to western culture they should have something around average intelligence. But they weren't, their pattern recognition and language abilities are stifled.

So much of IQ efficiency is systemic, too, so when you test IQ you're not only testing the "hardware" but the "software" that it runs on.

>>8719483
lpl

>>8715947
There hasn't been enough research done. That graph is based on a few highly criticized studies. Perhaps the graph is correct, but more research needs to be done to conclude anything.

>>8716868

>How developed/prosperous a country is, quite obviously. Japs, taiwan, korea and singapore are the highest for this reason. Chinese IQ is taken from Shanghai samples I think, they cheated, so they reflect the most developed of their cities as well, like the other Asian Tigers

As much as I respect Japan and S Korea I feel like they get way too much credit for their development in relation to IQ.

The main reason they're well developed right now is because of America and Germany. Before that they were getting most of their foundational knowledge from China.

Not saying they don't deserve credit but Japan and S Korea without those three nations would look a lot different.

>>8715947
Simple, IQ is pseudoscience

>>8725193
You are a complete dipshit.

>>8715947
in literally every single board I visited today, /pol/ was there

>>8716891
The test don't meassure that.

What happens, theory number one they don't have the answers.

Whatever they asked made no sense to them, it's this failure to communicate, yes, it's the communicator fault, I don't know.

But there it's a chance that they really don't know or simple don't care about the test.

>>8719489
>>8717204
>100 thousand years
>any significant evolution

just because your 10cm dick is insignificant compared to a 20cm nigger dick it doesn't mean it's a significant evolutionary difference.

>this is what brainlets think

kek
do you even have a degree? is it related to biology? how many biology papers have you read?
>biology is a shit science unless I can use it to justify my racism

>>8725205

And you need to look at the history of Japan's intellectual infrastructure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Japan_relations

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_government_advisors_in_Meiji_Japan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Confucianism

>>8725249
So Japan is the ONLY culture who adopted practices and ideology from other cultures? Japan is completely ALONE in learning from other civilizations?

>>8725254

Of course they're not, but attributing their development and success to their high IQ is clearly misrepresentative of their history and general economics.

There's a reason why countries like Nigeria is more developed and richer than N Korea. And it clearly isn't based on IQ since Nigeria has a +15 IQ handicap compared to N Korea.

>>8725277
>attributing their development and success to their high IQ is clearly misrepresentative of their history and general economics.

I will agree with that statement but only because IQ is complete BS anyway. You see, the reason why Japan (or any developed nation) has a higher IQ is by virtue of the fact that they are a developed nation.

If you create the test, you are probably going to do pretty well on it.

Oh look another /pol/ raid.

Europe just happened to be the first to develop science and started to colonize other places due to a combination of factors.

No, intelligence is not 100% genetic.

No, the research is not taboo. You just don't like the data that we observe, and no all the scientists in the world are not lying nor are they paid/shills/under someone's control.

Even if any of your retarded beliefs were true, it would not be an excuse to violate peoples' rights or enact violence against other people, which is your endgame.

>>8725193
These morons belief culture is the result of the genetics of the population, and there is no free trade or exchange of ideas between cultures.

>>8725277
>I'm not saying IQ is 100% genetic, but IQ is 100% genetic and we should ignore other factors and focus on skin color because your skin is your brain.

>>8724673

>live in cold dark inhospitable climate
>get bigger and stronger

>need better resource management and future planning to survive long dark winters
>evolve better resource management and future planning

WHAT COULD BE GOING ON HERE? ITS ALMOST LIKE POPULATIONS EVOLVE TO BE FIT FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENT....
ITS A MYSTERY!

>>8725400
>Only Europe has different seasons throughout the year!
>Only Europe is really hard to live in! It's not like it has tons of arable land per capita, tons of forests and game!
IM GOING TO REJECT ANY OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION AND PRETEND I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER. ANYTHING THAT GOES AGAINST MY EMOTIONS IS JUST A CONSPIRACY!

>>8715947
Probably that this IQ ""test"" is just some math problems that people take in modern schools and africa doesn't have

He who works is paid

Is Alaska a darker tint than the rest of the U.S. No fucking way Alaska is smarter.

What would the Divergence of a scalar map on this iq chart mean?

>>8717265
interesting theory but i think colonliesm may have much more to do with it than weather conditions

>>8724673
Weren't the Mongols? The broadest empire can't be built without foresight.