Have we been deceived?

>>8704709
wtf is a supercell

>>8704710
a larger ferrocell

>>8704711
Please explain what this is.

>>8704709
>Is mainstream physics wrong?
Lurk moar newfriend.

>>8704711
Can I get a quick rundown on ferromagnetic superexchange?

>>8704714
>Can I get a basic gestalt on ferromagnetic superexchange?
FTFY

>>8704712
It is a magnet placed on a ferrocell - visualizing a magnetic "field" around. Never seen such magnetic power lines at school, right? You have been deceived.

>Meet Ken Wheeler

>>>/sci/

>>8704715
Can you provide a leisurely stroll up on quantum electrodynamics? Asking for a friend.

>>8704716
Well what the fuck is a ferrocell, then?

>>8704717
No.

Is it politically correct to say that Einstein was wrong, Nikola Tesla right and mainstream explanation of magnetism and gravity is BS?

Discuss.

>>8704719
http://www.ferrocell.us/intro.html

>>8704720
No. Take your shit to /sci/ and come back when you can explain all of it to us in two sentences.

>>8704720
Please explain what you are actually trying to show us and what's new about it.

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>>8704721
Yeah, no way that shit's fake. Absolutely not.

>>8704722
Watch the videos before commenting.

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>>8704709
>tattos

>>8704725
No.

>>8704723
I suggest you watch these videos first...

Or read his book: https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small

Did somebody say birkeland currents?

Gravity is a result of electromagnetism.

Fuck mainstream science!
We electrical universe now

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>>8704728
>https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small
>believing a book with the typography of the TimeCube website

>>8704730
a dumb argument

>>8704731
Okay, let me rephrase that: Your sources all look like the insane scribblings of a mad man, and nothing you've done so far makes me think this is real.

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>>8704729
>tfw electric universe proves the bible

>>8704728
What the fuck is counterspace? I think I understand his point in the video but I don't see how it proves his hypothesis.

>>8704709
how do I make a supercell?

>>8704735
take two cells and add fluid in between it, freeze it over night and let it thaw in a temperature of 1° over the course of 3 days. Dip it in hydrofluid oxygen, let it dry and shine ultra violet light directly onto it for 3 hours, try and increase the temperature to 25° but keep it below 25.5°

>>8704735
1 - Take a nine-volt battery and wire a lamp cord onto it.
2 - Plug into electrical socket
3 - ???
4 - Profit!

>>8704736
ok fuck that. where do I buy one?

>>8704737
are you retarded? or merely pretending to be?

>>8704734
If you are really interested, watch more of his videos, he has tons of them (and say good-bye to your weekends, there's no shortcut, sorry).

>>8704709
those magnets aren't accelerating toward one another

>>8704738
can't buy it sadly, been on the market for one for years and haven't found it

>>8704735

>how do I make a supercell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15XjofOEahI

>>8704738
Tis merely a ruse my good man

>>8704739
No, explain it to me.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkVC7lqc--0
I don't see how this is proof.

Take this shit to /x/ you larping faggot

Why does this matter? And how is it politically incorrect

>>8704709
/p/ here

"The angry photographer" is a fucking retard.

>>8704744

Are you asking about space vs. counterspace? Can you think in 3D?

Try this for a start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVcRSAvnOuA

this guy is basically just calling all potential "counterspace", right?

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You can hear his disdain for plebeians when he rambles on about "conventional" thought. Let's see how superior he feels when Chad thwomps him over the head with a brick.

>>8704742
he doesn't say shit about how they're made in that video.

If you push opposite magnets together where does the energy go? is it destroyed ?!?!?!?!

>>8704709
So we are lookng at visualised magnet lines...who cares?

>>8704753
Nutjobs and subhumans.

>>8704753
It looks pretty cool DESU

would make a nice wallpaper lol

>>8704749
counterspatial inertia

>>8704752
what energy?

>>8704757
From my hands pushing the magnets together for who knows how long.

>>8704752
energy is never destroyed. that energy is what makes the magnetic fields stronger, as is shown in the first link in OP, towards the end of the video.

>>8704759
I know the theory.

So the energy makes the field stronger? but after you release the magnets they don't go flying everywhere.

It seems like the energy gets used up and disappears somewhere.

Yeah sure.

A shitty YouTube video is all you have?

Write a fucking paper.

>>8704751
He explains what you need to get and how to make it, and keeps no secret about it. Look for more info at his channel, he answers questions generously.
The ferrocell patent by Timm A. Vanderelli expired (supposedly on purpose), anyone can make it.

>>8704759
Id imagine the miniscule amount of energy from the two tiny little magnetic fields interacting gets converted to heat but its an undetectably small amount.

>>8704763

maybe electromagnetic radiation?

In the video there were two electromagnetic streams going out

>>8704763
This guy gets it. All energy gets thermalized eventually.

>>8704760
>after you release the magnets they don't go flying everywhere.
while you are applying pressure, the energy is being converted into magnetic fields being stronger. when you let go, you no longer add energy. the energy now has other forms and is no longer where it was.

>>8704766

Yea so I want to know where does it go now?

>>8704762
What's his fucking point? He talks shit for 4 minutes, after that I turned off the video cause it's a waste of time.

Magnetism != Gravity?

Really, Sherlock?

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>>8704760
>>8704762
>>8704763
see how they're brighter now?

but still, the energy you're inserting is too small for have an effect that is noticable (if you didn't have the cell, you wouldn't even see that part)

>>8704766
You compress the fields. You dont "make them stronger".

>>8704769
The light is coming from LEDs...

>>8704768
>Magnetism != Gravity?
>Really, Sherlock?

Even worse, my dear Watson. There's no "gravity."

>>8704771
the light is visualizing what's happening with the magnetic fields. idiot.

>>8704772
Gravity is just a (((conspiracy))), amirite? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to jump off my balcony.

>>8704770
it's the same thing retardo. to compress anything means you have to use extra energy to do so. go compress anything without extra energy..

>10 seconds in
>gravity doesn't exist

Maybe if those idiots didn't meme all the time, the scientific community would have taken them seriously.

drumpf btfo

>>8704773
Yes. I know. The light comes from LEDs around the side. You can see them quite clearly.

>>8704774
that argument he's making is not about whether or not you'll fall, but why and how that happens. fagget leaf.

>>8704709
LUMINIFEROUS AETHER

SPECIAL AND GENERAL RELATIVITY ARE JEWISH LIES

https://youtu.be/dH7zOX5PrVw

>>8704778
so you can see that the effect of the magnetic fields are becoming stronger as they bend more light towards the eye.

are you people brain dead?

>>8704779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DutJLb-c0vs

>>8704779
Grand unified theories have eluded much smarter men than him friend. I won't hold my breath.

>>8704772
And why should gravity not exist?

A hillbilly moves magnets on some foils, what's the purpose of this "experiment"? African sciences?

>>8704709
That man is a crack pot. He knows his Nikon and Fuji well enough and that's about it.

>>8704783
>adhominem instead of focusing on the content
ok retard.

>>8704781
You can change the direction that light travels with a prism too.

>>8704785
>A FUCKING LADYBOY

go back to shilling on pizzagate threads

it looks like he just takes some iron oxide places it in a liquid carrier then drops it between two glass plates. nothing to see here "super cell" my ass.

>>8704786
It's not an ad hom, it's the truth. A grand unified theory that unifies the four fundamental forces is the holy grail of theoretical physics. Do you really think some guy on YouTube has cracked it?

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>>8704709
((((((mainstream physics))))))

QM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc
Electricity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw
Gravity & Black Holes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRsGPq77X0Q
TRUMP knew Truth on 911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23yfBWH8Hjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c
GLOBAL HOAXING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-DNNIUjKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgKJpJyDXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbAgl7w_Vws

https://mega.nz/#F!IBUFTAab!OiZMtL9PlQP1ev8YKfm4Wg

>>8704788
Learn physics.

>>8704787
ok you are literally retard.

those two things have nothing to do with each other. the LEDs are there for you to see the effect of the magnetic field on the liquid.

>>8704709
>Is mainstream physics wrong?
Of course mainstream physics is wrong. Relativity and quantum mechanics are incompatible and cannot be reconciled. That means one of them (or both of them) are wrong. And string theory is ridiculous pseudo-scientific junk, a waste of everybody's time.

>>8704793
Yes and by interacting with the magnetic field you can change the direction that light travels, making those nice patterns.
What else is there to this thing? Its just making nice patterns with some LEDs and some magnets.

This is clearly bait from another board but its interesting seeing it play out.

>>8704792
Get a real job.

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>>8704709
lol cool stuff, but gravity isnt magnetic, thats a step and a half 5/10. great equipment

>>8704795
hey retard, I'm talking about the increased effect when the magnets are pushed together. the relative difference you see in the same fucking effect using the same fucking method to visualize

>>8704725
I did, it's just some druggie fuck who took too much DMT and got really into magnets. How is this pleb supposed to get a Nobel price? It's just some cool lines on a glass.

>>8704716
We did the thing with iron filings on a piece of paper with magnets underneath.
Isn't this basically the same thing?

>>8704798
All we know from this is that more light is being directed towards our eyes. You cant measure the strenght of a magnetic field with your fucking eye ball.
Magnetic fields have orientation too meaning the intensity of the light can be altered by the orientation of the magnetic field, not just its strenght. If you are genuine that should answer your question. If you are trolling, well this is boring.

>>8704800
With light in a liquid. Yes.

>>8704795
>light travels

A good point. Define light and how it "travels."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM-QXxqApv4

>>8704803
Im not a physacist. I'm a clinical chemist. Have you any biology or laboratory testing questions for me? I might be more help with them.

>>8704800
>iron filings on a piece of paper with magnets underneath

What did it look like?

>>8704801
>All we know from this is that more light is being directed towards our eyes.
by the force of magnetic fields. this is confirmed scientific method for visualizing magentic fields retard.

the power of the magnetic field directly correlates to the angle at which light is being directed.

>>8704804
>Have you any biology or laboratory testing questions for me?

No, thanks. This thread is about true nature of magnetism.

>>8704806
Post proof.

>>8704807
I wasnt aware that there was any debate on the subject. Could you sum up the arguments for me?

>>8704780

>LUMINIFEROUS AETHER

This.

>>8704741
>http://www.ferrocell.us/intro.html
>>8704738
They sell them from this site. Caveat emptor.

>>8704808
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+visualize+magnetic+fields+in+experiment

>>8704803
Oh I get it.

This is why lasers and looking at the sun is bad for your eyes but normal light emanated from a standard lightbulb doesn't....

>>8704810
do you have any other links about this? This is the craziest rabbit hole I've ever gone down.

>>8704709
>Is mainstream physics wrong?
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iNIsdyZXvI

>>8704758
It's opposed by the magnetic force.

Energy goes into burning calories: chemical reactions and heat.

>>8704812
I have no education on the subject whatsoever. You will need to spoon feed me every detail.

>>8704804
>Have you any biology or laboratory testing questions for me?

Actually, I do. How do birds navigate using magnetism? (spoiler: Ken knows)

>>8704816
not gonna happen. you can look everything up.

>>8704815
yup.

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aight here's the thing

if this guys claims had any substantial basis whatsoever, he could just take it to Oxford/Cambridge/Harvard younameit, and he'd become an incredibly famous scientist overnight.

But since all of his shit is baseless, he settles for selling bogus books online, and all the dumdums are eating it up.

t.physicist

>>8704817
Human biology only please.

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>>8704794
yup. all theorectical bullshit is useless.
QM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc
Electricity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw
Gravity & Black Holes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRsGPq77X0Q
TRUMP knew Truth on 911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23yfBWH8Hjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c
GLOBAL HOAXING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-DNNIUjKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgKJpJyDXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbAgl7w_Vws

https://mega.nz/#F!IBUFTAab!OiZMtL9PlQP1ev8YKfm4Wg

Fuck off to /x/, not /pol/

>>8704818
Damn guess I have to bow out then. I dont even understand what you are trying to prove in this thread.

I bet /pol/ really believes that bullshit, just like flat earth theory.

>>8704729
>tfw electric universe theorist quietly lurk awaiting for the truth to be revealed

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>>8704813
Cone and rod cells hyperpolarizate to the point of no return.

>>8704824
>He says while standing on flat ground and not falling through space.

>>8704794
String theory is interesting as a mathematical theory, but no way it applies to reality.

>>8704813
>This is why lasers

Do you know who invented laser?

>aether (aka ether) dispute: Nikola Tesla vs. Einsten, look it up.

it's a fucking magnetic viewing film with orange leds underneath

so exactly 0 revolutionary tech here

>>8704794
>Relativity and quantum mechanics are incompatible and cannot be reconciled.
Both are models which work in their specific situations, as with newtonian mechanics before them they're probably just limiting cases of some GUT.

>>8704780
holy shit anon

>>8704829
The existence of aether was disproven by the Michelson-Morley experiment over a century ago, along with many observations since.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiCMFzpMnZM

>>8704763
>>8704823
So you admit you've been talking out your ass?
You pleb, with your common sensebilities.

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>>8704805
sorry it took so long to reply, catching up on the thread.
Looks like this.

>>8704819
>if this guys claims had any substantial basis whatsoever, he could just take it to Oxford/Cambridge/Harvard younameit, and he'd become an incredibly famous scientist overnight.
That's not how it works though, the most respectable people in a field might have built their entire career and livelihood on a theory that is now proven wrong. Naturally he has a vested interest in seeing a new comer that challenge their ideas fail (at least until they get their tenure/pension) so they might use all their influence to crush any opposition.

This guys life story is basically that, he was a geologist though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Harlen_Bretz

>>8704834
>Average world wide temperatures are going up
Holy shit you are onto something here.

>>8704837
>That's not how it works though, the most respectable people in a field might have built their entire career and livelihood on a theory that is now proven wrong. Naturally he has a vested interest in seeing a new comer that challenge their ideas fail
Do you have any idea how peer review works? The people who work in relativity are constantly coming up with new tests for their own theories, any scientist does this. It's not some cartel, you could go to a different journal.

>>8704835
No dutchie is blatently trolling. Im just playing my role. Its fun.

>>8704833
>disproven by the Michelson-Morley experiment over a century ago

Wrong.

You've got some catching up to do...

>>8704841
>Wrong.
Explain how?
inb4 crackpot kiketube videos by scammers making money off of mongs like you.

>>8704826
Interesting.

>>8704833
That was only a test of aether drag, not a disproving of aether itself.

>>8704843
>That was only a test of aether drag, not a disproving of aether itself.
So what observable thing does your aether do? Since it's never been detected to date even though things like gravitational waves (a prediction of GR) have.

>>8704772
>There's no "gravity."

Hence it is known as a curvature in the space-time to physicists. Gravity is just a normie word to label the macroscopic effect we are seeing.

>>8704842

Einstein knew Michelson-Morley didn't rule out the ether! But some kind of "explanation" by Lorentz was put into into relativity in spite of it. (Lorentz knew the Michelson-Morley experiment didn't rule out the ether because the measuring apparatus would have been compressed in the direction the earth was travelling).

>>8704829
Space isn't a perfect vacuum

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>>8704846
>Lorentz knew the Michelson-Morley experiment didn't rule out the ether because the measuring apparatus would have been compressed in the direction the earth was travelling
You have no idea what you're on about then, I'm out of this /x/ tier shitpostthread

>>8704839
Did work for that guy did it?

So i am right. Now go fuck yourself.

A lot of autism in this thread...

>tfw /pol/ has better scientific discussions than /sci/.

Same thread on /sci/ only had 6 replies

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help my guys I went down the rabbit hole a few days ago. I don't know what to believe anymore. My instincts have always told me not to trust masons or (((their pals))) so I'm fucking questioning gravity now.

>>8704851
>>tfw /pol/ has better scientific discussions than /sci/.
>Same thread on /sci/ only had 6 replies
Cause it's bullshit.

>>8704780
any updates on this madman?

>>8704737

This is how i built mine.

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>>8704852
dont worry ur sanity will come back so long as u want it to

>>8704709
(((science))) is the new religion of goyim

It's just simple flux focusing, you can bend magnetic fields using other magnets. See halbach array for a practical use.

>>8704791
holy shit this is so juicy, i love it. GIVE ME ELECTRICITY BABY WE GOING FULL NIKOLAI UP IN HERE

>>8704769
It's brighter because there's more concentration of iron

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He was fucking right wasn't he? God dammit.

>>8704709

This is such a common thing with pseudo-science.
>See it's actually really simple everyone!!! million are wrong! me and my 10$ ferrocell have proved it

Also I love how he's trying to disprove large body interactions, done with gravity, by using some walmart magnets.

If anyone is curious what that block spot is, it's a lack of ferro fluid that is being pulled away, thus leaving a clearing.

>>8704839
>It's not some cartel, you could go to a different journal.

Science as a modern social movement is too politicized to be taken seriously. All of this hidden knowledge is leaked to the scientific community in ways that steer them in certain directions to control economic growth and maintain power.

>>8704844
I don't know how to prove it exists, I just don't accept that you think it's been disproven, because it hasn't. I don't personally think aether drag exists.

>>8704820
Can you explain why laser eye surgery works?

>>8704861
Typical jewish mechanism. Take something based in reality and create a cloak of verbal sleight of hand to completely manipulate it to your own ends. Fuck this gay earth.

>>8704857
There are two religions for goyim now. SJWism and the other religion is believing that wealth from a growing economy will be passed on to them, based only on the words of politicians.

The GDP is growing!
>while your wages are stagnent and inflattion is occuring
Be happy!

>>8704746
i think the theory is that (((They))) have tricked scientist with politically driven science and that Einsteins theories are lies.

i have yet to see any proof that disproves it, get 2 atomic clocks one at sea level one in orbit the atomic clocks move out of sink, is this a lie?

>>8704863
Lasers transmit energy to your optic cells which then are rejuvinated. Lasers can do anything.

>>8704852
>right-hand path = right-hand rule
>black and white checkerboad = binary of postive/negative
>boaz and jachin = magnetic poles

yeah fuck those niggers

>>8704837
Your example is decades years old, and hypothesis/theories in geology are very different to those in physics. If the guy in OP's video would go to a credible audience and state his case, it would go through a thorough peer review.

It's not the 40's anymore, shitthrowing elitism isn't a thing anymore. The current audience is too big for stuff like that to occur.

>>8704870
>shitthrowing elitism isn't a thing anymore

you're fucking kidding me right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmvLdOkpg2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGRP2mu0GA

What race is Ken?

>>8704837
HIV denial is a weird trip. It involves a lot of crackpot science, conspiracies and people dying over it.

Its in a league of its own. Who cares if someone doesnt belive in gravity.

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>>8704780
great now I really can't go back.

>>8704790

depends on if he's correct, then yes, why not?

Huh.

But why did the jews lie to us?

>>8704864
>>8704861
And einstein disagreed with QM.

Newsflash, scientists disagree with each other, sometimes to ridiculous degrees, the main results of GR came after tesla's death, with how groundbreaking it was, it is understandable to be skeptical, there are people who are to this day after all.

As to tesla himself, he was good with electricity, but not necessarily with physics, see this quote of his about electrons:
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble," Tesla says. "Now, a bubble can exist in such a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble!
Just to mention another improbability, the force tending to tear an electron apart is, in pounds per square inch, represented by the staggering figure of 256,899 followed by twenty-one zeros - and this is 513,798,000,000,000,000,000 times greater than the tension that tungsten wire can withstand? And yet it does not burst! Not even when it is hurled against an obstacle with a speed hundreds of thousands times greater than that of a bullet!"

>>8704871
Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about physics and not clinical/medical science.

Also guys like this are dime a dozen, and feed off these "crazy mindblowing facts" with flashy thumbnails and *DONATE HERE* buttons.

>>8704871
Not an argument.

>>8704878
>>8704879
The argument is that these ideas aren't even entertained by the scientific community. You aren't even entertaining them on an anonymous imageboard and you expect me to believe that people with actual social and financial incentives to push their theories wouldn't suppress alternate (possibly true) theories?

What really needs to happen is the building of something that is sellable and see what kind of shit goes down and who gets killed off. Scientific knowledge is power over the proles.

>>8704728
Motherfucker I'm not reading a book to understand your thread.

>>8704709
>is mainstream physics wrong
no shit sherlock, who is Nikola Tesla.

actually read the blueprints before you respond with some bs pls.

>>8704880
>FUCK YEAH AMERICAN

beat the knowledge into them burger bro, we'll back you up the whole way, let's invade these fucking poofs.

>>8704709
>Is mainstream physics wrong?
>>8704709
Most likely, there'll be a lot more theories before we even have a slight grasp of the nature of reality.

>>8704709
He's just some insane guy trying to invent reasons for what he's seeing.


This guy just sits there putting two magnets on some kind of viewer and acts amazed that the magnetic forces cancel out in the middle?

Then tries to argue that the reason objects fall towards one another is because the magnetic null zone in the middle attracts the two objects via pressure differential?

Come on, this is basic school science he seems to have missed.

>>8704709

>Have we been deceived?

Yes.

>Is mainstream physics wrong?

Yes. The thing is this, you ask people "How do you know X?" and they'll probably reply by saying something like "Well, because it's in my science books." or "Well, because it's been peer-reviewed." or "Well, because it's been agreed upon by a majority of scientists.", but these are flimsy defences, because unless YOU can verify for yourself whether something is true or not either by OBSERVATION or by doing an experiment about it BY YOURSELF, you are relying essentially on external sources for your information and it is naïve to think that those sources don't have agendas.
What people call 'mainstream science' has been hijacked by politics, religion and corporations. So-called 'peer review' these days is usually nothing more than a circle-jerk. Just as people support the separation of church and state (and RIGHTFULLY so), I support the separation of SCIENCE and state. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING.

>>8704852
god damnit anon pull your self togetherreereer rre eeee rrefffffffcvcvgbgtwfsfswertghfdghj a ea gdg

>>8704780
There's a good experimental proof of that fact involving fiber optic gyroscopes.

FUCK THE KIKE MODS MESSING WITH OUR COUNTRY-FLAG THREADING

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3bfe/51aca228426348ece733ca1790c7597af6c2.pdf

>>8704899
Note this means every thread they killed could have been moved instead.

>>8704709
I can't tell what he's trying to say. Can I get some equations? Some different predictions from mainstream physics?

>>8704836
Sorry for delay.

Yes, this. But it only shows tiny magnets organizing themselves in a magnetic field. It does not show the "field" itself.

>>8704899
OP here.

So funny.

>>8704716
What was I deceived about? I've drawn these field lines before in mainstream physics courses.

>>8704917
Neither does this "supercell." the field is continuous.

What is "counterspace"? And what is a "null point in counterspace"?

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>>8704952
its fucking bullshit guys.

I triggered the fuck out of him.

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>>8704709
So I spent a few minutes on the first video, waiting for him to say anything that even resembles making a case for something. To no avail. Went into the comments, and behold pic related. This guy isn't onto anything, just an attention whore.

>>8704954
I suspect it is bullshit, but I want to see for myself. I'd just like to get one concrete prediction of an experimental difference between his theory and mainstream physics.

He talks about how masses under gravitational attraction orbit about their center of mass instead of colliding straight towards each other, but that's really just because of the initial conditions of the system (some component of initial velocity directed away from the center of mass) and the conservation of angular momentum, in perfect agreement with mainstream physics.

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>>8704709
Yeeeah - this same electric universe theory predicted that comets are actually balls of plasma...

<- And yet we have this.

The problem with electric universe theory is that it creates a vastly larger number of holes than it closes.

It's also no surprise that reactions in the EM field look very similar to those seen in space-time. They are both field reactions, just on different scales. It's also not as if we've not detected gravity waves and empirically proven special relativity.

You can pop a spinning balloon in slow motion, and the water scatter will form a pattern that looks very much like the layout of a galaxy - this does not mean these two phenomena have anything to do with each other.

>>8704935
can you define a "field"?

>>8704929
But why do the lines in OP's image look different?

>>8704990
because he has added another dimension to the experiment? you can visualize the lines in 3 dimensions now because his ferrofluid has a depth.

>>8704990
They don't? Other than being 3D (due to the bit of depth in the supercell) I don't really notice a difference.

>>8704974
>empirically proven special relativity

What experiment or proof are you referencing?

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the elite are lying to us and they have signals for who they are loyal to

>>8704998
I'm not the guy you're responding to, but just off the top of my head:
-decay rate of cosmic muons is changed due to time dilation
-They once sent a very accurate clock on a trip around the earth and measured a small time dilation
-Nothing has ever been seen to move faster than light
-Atom bombs work because E=mc^2

There's probably a lot more that I'm not thinking of right now.

>>8704998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

All that, and the fact that your phone's GPS works. It's far more thoroughly vetted than a lot of other shit we rely on, extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof and all.

>>8704996
Compare this iron filings on a piece of paper
>>8704836
to OP's image. I can see a big difference.

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>>8705017
but u don't need relativity for GPS to work
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/1996papers/Vol%2028_16.pdf

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>>8704709
Yes you have been deceived. The easiest place to start is realizing the true nature of magnetic fields

>>8705023
It's nonetheless the calculation we use... It might be possible to bypass or mitigate through some other method, but that's not what we do. Same with any other timing over vast distances.

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

>>8705023
see
>>8704780

PDF is censored on my end

>>8705034
wtf some people can see it but other can't?

>>8704917
a "field" is an abstract concept, just like "distance" or "weight". it can't be physically seen.

>>8705023
http://dealingwithcreationisminastronomy.blogspot.com/2009/04/scott-rebuttal-i-gps-relativity.html

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>>8705044
I'm from murrica, it's back up now and they just pwned my computer

>>8705085
the ddos is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE

HOLY SHIT RUN ANON!

>>8705058
You can feel weight and you can see distance

You can play in a field but not that kind of field

>>8705110
>I WOULD SO DDOS YOU IF I KNEW YOUR IP!
>"127.0.0.1"
...comedy ensues.

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>>8705020
My bad, I hadn't done the iron filings thing in a while. I was thinking of the field line between two wires, which looks a lot more like the lines in OP's demonstration.

>>8704709
>Remember when I told you gravity didn't exist
>20 seconds in

At least he was up front about his idiocy.

>>8705126
yes, exactly.

I need to look at the guy a bit more.

>>8705058
>a "field" is an abstract concept
What do you mean, an abstract concept? What is a field?

>>8704993
>visualize the lines in 3 dimensions
holy shit
the second video I mean

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>>8704709
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in MacBook Air tech support, and I’ve been involved in numerous support issues, and I have over 300 resolved tickets. I am a trained college chess champion and I’m the top sceptic in the entire ICT sector. You are nothing to me but just another sheep. I will shit on your theories with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with following scientific dogma on the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of sceptics across the USA and your field perturbation is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, crackwhore. The storm through the ether that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can’t be anywhere, anytime, because quantum mechanics is incorrect. Not only is it incorrect, it can trivially be explained by dielectric induction in the ether, and I have access to the entire knowledge of the genius Nicolas Tesla which I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable theory off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “peer reviewed” paper was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>8705138
Looking at the image again and comparing it to the magnetic field lines for the magnets, I now think that maybe the lines in OP's image are not the magnetic field lines, but simply orthogonal to the field lines.

>>8705167
It's just a ferrofluid he is shooting light through. This is no more interesting than ferrofluid behavior itself. It's just a distorted lens. But you can see the distortion much easier by not limiting the ferrofluid to a plane.

>>8705167
>>8705171

The question is why the magnetized iron fillings behave differently from the particles in the ferrofluid.

>>8705181
They don't really. Ferrofluids behave basically the same as iron filings suspended in three dimensions by the surfactant. The youtube videos don't show the behavior of the ferrofluid, they show the behavior of light being deflected by the ferrofluid. That's it.

>>8704712
A smaller supercell

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>>8704780
And it's fucking nothing:
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/1996papers/Vol%2028_16.pdf

Just one more paranoid nut-case. Also pic related.

>>8705218
Pic related is wrong. >>8705070

>>8705218
the whole point was that the paper was being censored for a short period of time

just like the above one >>8705023 was so that they could re-route the server behind a QUANTUMINSERT exploit server and pwn my box just now.

whatever, the cat's out of the bag, if they want to watch me jack off to trap porn that's cool I guess

>>8705240
Translation:
>I'm a paranoid retard, please disregard my posts.

Sure thing senpai.

god this stupid troll is annoying

>>8704709
No, we have been measuring parallel lines, the other is measuring lines perpendicular to the original parallel lines.

this thread is why you don't let /pol/ talk about science

>>8705295
It does make sense though that there would be no such thing as attraction. We don't see it on anything aside from magnets where as everything else in the fucking universe has the capabilities to be replicated by any other form of matter given the correct conditions

>>8705306
wtf is gravity you idiot.

>>8705312
Something all matter has?

>>8705306
>It does make sense though that there would be no such thing as attraction

The preblom is that everybody learns this concept at schools, it gets ingrained in your head: magnets attract each other.

>>8704745
this thread is /x/ and /pol/ idiocy combined into one

They've teamed up together to raid /sci/

>>8705362
hey we didn't move the thread, the shitty mods did

>>8705391
I don't think I've ever seen a mod move a thread between any two boards when one of them wasn't >>>/trash/

>>8705404
>>>/pol/114376561

>>8705159
nice.

as for you pointies:
>>8704745
>>8705362
>>8705295

a whole lot of shooting the messenger, goalposting, and fallacy (of the fellatious kind)

-- but as of yet no actual SCIENCE being done here in the ESTEEMED /sci/

Which begs the question: what are you all so afraid of?

>>8704709
>Is mainstream physics wrong?
Yes, science always operates under the premise that it is wrong. "All models are incorrect but some are useful." This is why science is constantly improving itself.

>Nobel Prize for Ken Wheeler when?
No. But those "cell" things he made are neat. He might deserve some recognition for them but he sounds like a typical, anti-social, pompass nerd who rubs people the wrong way. He could work on his interpersonal skills and maybe find some use in the scientific community.

MODS TAKE NOTICE

/pol/ is a containment board to keep their shit out of /sci/ Moving their threads here is like moving a random /b/ thread to some other board. Plz don't do this.

>>8705512
Shut your arrogant trap and answer the question. Aether or no?

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>>8705497
>why won't you take me serious waaaaaaaaah

>>8705521

> can't answer
Another failed "scientist"

Next up?

>>8705506
How to tell the difference:
Scientist: I have a theory that contradicts some established scientific thought. I'll test it and try to falsify it, then present the evidence to the scientific community for further review if it holds up.

Quack: Everything you know is wrong. You've been lied to by (air quotes) scientists who are all part of the conspiracy, Jews, Illuminati, etc

We've seen this enough times in the last two decades, in this age of easy access to every weirdo's conspiracy theories on YouTube. If you're still unable to tell the difference, then science may not be the career path for you.

Timecube
Overunity
Flat earth
Hollow earth
Spirit science
Mandela effect

>>8705538
If you are unable to explain the outcome of an experiment, science may not be the field for you.

Two failures dismissed.

Next?

>>8705538
More like
>Scientist: I have a theory that can't be tested
>Fellow Scientist: Yeah seems right just need to pull shit out of our asses to make it work

>Other Scientist: I tried running a test but didn't get the right data so I'm just going to use someone else's data who ran a similar test
>Fellow Scientist: See look at this new study we were right all along

>Theoretical scientist: So then we just need this element that doesn't exist to exist and everything can be explained we can cut through the very fabric (TN: Because space is a fabric...) and do Warp Speed.
>Scientist: Yeah! OMG and like here's the Higgs Bosson which all we had to do was remove every part of dust that didn't fit with our models calling it , "STATIC" AND WE'VE FOUND IT SEE WE'RE FUCKING RIGHT. We can't even see a proton yet but we've found something even smaller with just a little customization!

Actual Scientist: I ran this test over and over again and it worked or failed therefore it exists
People With Money: Boring no funds for you GTFO

>>8705556

More like
> CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER
> CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER
> GUFFAW *SCOFF*
> CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER
> CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER CHATTER
> GUFFAW
> *SCOFF*

*SCIENCE DIES*

>Scientists speak in confusing long words that make my head hurt and nothing they say makes sense. Why should I believe any of this.
Healthy skepticism

>Please tell me how to feel about this and make sure the explanation is simple enough that I can understand it.
Unhealthy skepticism

>>8705574

This isn't a philosophy board. It's a science board.

>>8705581
This thread makes me think otherwise.

>>8705581
That's why science is shit nowadays, we've moved from older ways of thinking like Aristotelian Deduction and Platonic Induction to gay-ass gossip and social proof.

Can somebody tell me what the fuck a photon is without just saying "it's a particle lol, also QUANTUM!"

>>8705597
because the thread was moved here over from pol

>>8705581
Humans got way further way faster when they were one in the same.

>>8705506
>No. But those "cell" things he made are neat

Ken may have "made" these, but he is not the inventor. He credits the inventor in the videos and book.

>>8705609

What and why are impossible questions in any case.

How and when are answerable but only relatively.

Who is subjective.

>>8705609
However, I do agree with you. "Peer review" is a sorry substitute for actually being correct.

>>8705622
>How and when are answerable but only relatively.

How is answerable objectively dude, that's generally what science is in the first place.

>>8705692

Objectively, but relatively; relative to a frame of understanding. How does the turtle stay up?

>>8704877
did you misinterpret that quote?
Tesla is being skeptical about a (wrong) interpretation of electrons.

>>8705126
>>8705167
except that image is for the magnetic field around a current carrying infinite wire, not a handheld bar magnet.
it is easy to show experimentally that they do not have even remotely similar magnetic fields.
try a better example.

>>8705844
Yeah I know, the picture of the two wires was meant as a correction to myself, not as an example of a bar magnet's magnetic field. I now suspect that what the ferrocell shows is not in fact the magnetic field lines (maybe lines transverse to the b-field lines, like the direction of the magnetic force or something?)

>>8705894
I think it depicts the radial modes of tension as the magnetic particles in the film pull against whatever transparent plates contain them.
given that we have much more evidence suggesting magnetic field lines to be loops, and the nature of constructing these "supercells," i believe these things just illustrate a special case of material properties.

>>8704729
No. Like most gullible idiots drawn in by the electric universe nonsense you don't know what you're talking about.

>>8704730
Sitting with their thumbs up their asses because they're more interested in making YouTube videos than doing science. For all their bullshit about "lab based physics" there is only a single experiment associated with the project and it has no clear hypotheses to test and no results.

>>8705931
Electric universe correctly predicted the boundary layer between the heliosphere and the interstellar medium, while the standard model did not.
I'm not convinced of EU, but they're not all crackpots like OP's video man

>>8704803
this is trite. who would watch this literal shite and believe it to be informative?
he presents false opposition arguments and attacks them instead of true ones.

>>8705939
Bullshit. Show us what they predicted, a source from before the Voyager results, not after. The electric universe predicts nothing because it's not a model, it's just a collection of loose ideas. It's proponents just spam ideas and then interpret them to suit after the results come in. Show us all this great, objective prediction. They make hundreds of guesses and then pretend their vague suggestions were dead on.

The electric universe is the definition of crackpot.

>>8704709
>Have we been deceived?
What do you mean by "we", Peasant?

Can someone explain to me what the fuck you are all talking about?

I don't understand what is so special. It seemes like he found a way to visualize magnetism, and then found out something revolutionary about it?

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>>8704709
Here is another one of his videos on the subject of field theory.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IwgRNS1Frs

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>>8706539
Fascinating! This actually makes some sense.

>>8706534
He is explaining how magnetism shapes our universe.

However this is not "the electric universe theory".

>>8704709

Live Now!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCYi04WQM1U

Live streams Sunday, Wednesday and Friday!

>>8706618
talking about PC culture and how california needs to "fall off the map"

is he one of us???

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>>8704709
SHUT

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>>8706626
IT

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>>8706628
DOWN

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>>8706618
So, we can log in and ask him anything anytime he streams?..

Hmm...

>>8706564
wtf is that thing

>>8706640
this picture hurts my brain

can we debunk him?

Can somebody explain to me the EU explanation for higher-order harmonics?

They literally can't exist without particles but they are observable.

https://library.e.abb.com/public/ed3d8f7f20a380c4c1256ddd00346c66/46-51%20M644.pdf

>>8706646

He is live now, he seems honest and his book is free.

Read it and try, you can ask him questions now though.

>>8706618

>>8706652
Perturbations within a medium which is non material could be an explanation...

Tesla thought the Ether was real, and he is in part responsible for our modern electrical transmission system.

Something to consider at least.

>>8706664
but why do the perturbations happen? is it just the movement of energy throughout the fields?

are the cables the source of chaning the field efficiency and the harmonics are some kind of bleed-off of energy modifying the field around it?

How do I build something using this theory that I can sell?

1:13 in the second video
(really, all of both videos)

There are people who unironically watch this?

>>8704709
I dont trust him. I trust mathematics and am quite proficient at it. As long as i can accurately predict physical phenomena through current models of mathematics, im convinced the current models are more genuine. This Ken Wheeler guy does not seem to produce anything tangible to "back his theory", his modus operandi seems to be that of a classical con man.

>this is the most popular thread on /sci/

>>8706701
Feel free to discuss the math of magnetism with him. You will lose.

>>8706625
>is he one of us???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3njU-E_pJ1o

>>8706891
Please link one of his videos where he disproves current models of magnetism in a way that is not entirely based on anecdotal evidence. I already wasted half an hour watching his videos and the burden of proof is not on me.

>>8706915
It was not a time wasted, trust me. The guy translates ancient Greek texts, do you think he is an idiot?
Have another 20 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ls2R5Sxl30

You can also read his book, it's free.

>>8706932
>"The guy translates ancient Greek texts"
what does that have to do with electromagnetism you fucking gobshite

>>8706960
>unironically posting on /sci/
>not aware of the ancient Pythagoreans

>>8707015
>caring about hairy dead mathematicians whose people invented ass-fucking

ya really GREAT education u got there fucknuts

>>8705835
>DUDE ELECTRONS DON'T EXIST LMAO

https://youtu.be/bGO2U1thFAk

Watch this and tell me this guy isn't a classic narcissist

>>8706896
>talks about how people eat shitty food and drink sugary drinks that kill them
>is fat as fuck

this dude is retarded

>>8704734
>What the fuck is counterspace?
TRANS-EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY OF COUNTERSPACE: The Hyperboloid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6rw7B9Ejg

lol don't trust this kike's lies

>triforce tattoed on his finger

Instant ctrl+w.

>>8707033
t. brainlet

>>8705295
Not a single person agreed with OP. That's harder to discern without IDs.

>>8707839
>Not a single person agreed with OP. That's harder to discern without IDs.

But you figured it out? Narcissist. Or maybe you just can't read. Mainstream physics is wrong. Lots of supporting comments to that point.

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>>8704709
Has anyone here read his book?

It is free, but I do not currently have the time to read it.

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the perfect 3d toroid is the key to formalize this phenomenon.

google vortex math, it tackles the theoretical side of this kind amateurishly made video

>>8709764
until a product comes out using it nobody will believe this shit

>>8708400
I didn't have to figure it out, I was in the thread when it still had IDs.

I am a biology major, no idea what I'm supposed to see here? What's so groundbreaking? I watched both videos, but all I see is magnetic fields--big deal?

I want to believe.

>>8711630
if you keep watching his videos (it's better if you only have an intermediate knowledge of particle physics, otherwise you're going to have a lot of bias to overcome) he will explain field theory of magnetism and things like space/counterspace.

Since you're a biology major you may want to look at fractal math and their relation to nature. Fractals are the prime component of the manifest (what current models call matter)

https://www.wired.com/2010/09/fractal-patterns-in-nature/

>>8711630
also read his book...it's free and really interesting

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and for anybody who doesn't think we're enslaved to the current model of physics, here's a group of people who understand the correct model celebrating their successful psychological operation against everyone else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSDeExBtGGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRsoxozcPM

They did it in the tunnel because it represents the vortex btw. All the "satanic" shit and "opening portals to hell" is their disinformation campaigns and retarded religious people spouting bullshit in response to this.

The CERN tunnel is just a giant money-laundering scheme.

tl;dr what is his central claim? that we live in a simulated reality?

>>8712264
his research just opposes modern particle physics theories like quantum mechanics

although if we are living in a simulated reality it would be generated via fractal entropy

>>8712336
>quantum mechanics
Does he know anything about wave/particle collapse? How does he explain the delayed choice eraser?

You can't just "oppose" particle physics with some magnets.

>>8712388
>You can't just "oppose" particle physics with some magnets.
Sure you can. You'll look like a moron, but that's never stopped one of these people before.

>>8704709
>field lines crossing
>somehow the field has multiple values in a single point
Yeah nah

>>8712388
>Does he know anything about wave/particle collapse

No idea. Delayed choice eraser sounds like it could be explained via a vortex math self-cancellation equation.

>>8712833
The lines are not crossing. It's a projection so it only looks like they were "crossing."

>>8704710
>wtf is a supercell


The Ferrocell was invented by Timm A. Vanderelli. The patent recently expired. Mike Palazzola carried forward the development and has shared some inexpensive DIY techniques on his Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ9zzjwjV8PnjmGUXKVBh_g/videos.

Ken Wheeler is demonstrating his theory of magnetism on Palazzola's more sensitive version. He calls it a "supercell".