Colonizing Mars is dumb.

America colonized Saudi Arabia so it is viable

>>8700916
Saudi Arabia is nice and warm. All you need is water to grow stuff. People lived there in paleolithic times, you idiot.

>>8700917

Most normies don't care about Mars. Plenty of them still voted Trump.

>>8700922
You got it the other way around lol, only normies care about mars, normies and popsci autists.

>>870092
>>>/pol/

>>8700914
Lack of good gravity is the only reason colonizing Mars is a pipe dream (because jello babies). Every other problem is well within our current technology.

>>8700914
We have a thread for literally this right now.
>>8695441

>>8700914
It's possible no doubt. The amount of emissions we'd leave on earth just pushing all the material to mars would be trillions of dollars of damage. We need so much stuff to even do a mars colony. Better to build a robot or locate mineral veins directly on mars to build with using the mass that is already there.

>>8700914
Temperature is a mute point without a significant atmosphere to conduct all that heat away.
They have to cool the space station not heat it.

Makes for a nice Hollywood movie, but that's it.

>>8701071
Convection is the dominant mode of heat transfer between buildings and the atmosphere you dumb fuck

Martian Equatorial Summer Temperatures at Noon can be over 70 degrees Fahrenheit.

The biggest problem for Martian colonization. Is the lack of gravity. 1/3rd earth gravity simply isn't enough for long term habitation. Especially if you want to have children growing there.

>>8701160
>lack of gravity
>lack of atmosphere
>storms
>earthquakes

Humaniy will live and die on earth.

>>8701160

Well we will just have to make Mars bigger then.

In reality any form of colonizing other planets would be a result of gen engineering and a long phase of automated preperation to create a somehow liveable enviroment.

Though the things living on that planet would mostlikely don't look like a bit like humans then.

>>8700914
#terraformtheEARTH
this is the only answer, anyone who disagrees is a psychotic fantasizer with severe mental retardation and/or cannot read.

>>8701185
We can build habitats that make up for everything but gravity.

>>8701071
The ground conducts heat. Checkmate.

>>8701160
The high temperatures don't matter you stupid fuck, because it becomes as cold as Antarctica at night.

Also stop using Fahrenheit you piece of shit. this is the science and math board.

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>>8700914
It wouldn't hardly matter if mars hovered just over the dew point of the constituents of the atmosphere. For most practical considerations it is a vacuum and there will be almost no heat loss through through atmospheric conduction. Think of it like the whole planet is a Dewar flask. Some heat will be lost through radeation but this is less than a human produces at rest. Space suits need to be designed to dump excess heat and rarely need to worry about creating it. Currently heaters are only used for the gloves.

>>8701222
You can't

>>8700914


ITT: people forgetting about the lack of a magnetic field.

CANCER CANCER CANCER

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We've already colonized the south pole, you tard.

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>>8701479
rip :(

>>8701583
Underground station

>>8701583
there is a dynamo retard.

That's why you build underground silly

>>8702005
And what is that endgame here?

>>8701552
Are you stupid?

The amount of energy and ressources needed for putting a somehow liveable enviroment on Mars would be higher than defeating any threats for Earth - except solar system killing threats.

>>8700914
Yeah but we should still colonize Mars for science! That rock was probably more earth-like before its magnetic field died causing almost all of its atmosphere to get stripped off into space. Who knows what we could find there? Maybe some fossils or extant martian microbes deep underground living off of radiation.

>>8702109
Then sending people there would be wrong.

>>8700914
>But it's soo haaaard
Is this the most retarded excuse not to go to space?

>>8702155

The benefit does not currently outweigh the cost

>>8702168
Of course it does, it's just that whoever invests in it won't see a return on their investment

The benefit to humanity is overwhelming

>>8702180
what is the benefit to humanity? finding dead slugs?

>>8701612
Where is this picture from? What is the story?

>>8702189
If we manage to colonize Mars, then humanity all of the sudden has two planets, not one. All our eggs are no longer in one basket and our chances of long term survival go up massively.

At the moment one asteroid could end us.

>>8702189
If you're gonna act all nihilistic you might as well just kill yourself right here and now kid.

>>8702246
This. Also stop talking to people like that.

>>8702189
>muh benefit

Nigger, we need all the planets, moons and asteroids that we can get. We need to be ready for when the hostile locust-like ayys come to fuck us up. I'm sick and tired of liberal faggots crying about muh poor niggers and muh benefit.

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>>8700914
>t. Martian

>>8702271
This. Also stop talking to people like him.

>>8701185
>Storms
Mars storms don't do shit.

>B-But it's gold
Doesn't matter, each loss would be nearly non existent
>Zero GRAVITY
Mammals can have children in low gravity. and there are ways to minimize the effects of low G. Even then if humans living on mars have to adapt to low G then so be it.
>But why?
For several reasons.
Humans are far better than machines at collecting the type of data we want to collect.
It also is training for colonizing other planets which is required if we as a species want to not go extinct in the next few million years.

>>8702344
>sandstorms which cover a large part of the surface

>>8700914
Why tf do people even care that Mars is in any way relevant to space exploration, the planet is a dead fucking waste of time, instead why aren't we building giant spaceships that can venture out in space for hundreds of years till they find a suitable planet. BUT NAH WE GOTA DO MARS AMIURIGHT? Gonna be a fucking waste of time just as the Moon was, once they're there, they are going to realize it was a big waste of money and won't mention it ever in the future again.

>>8702398
>instead why aren't we building giant spaceships that can venture out in space for hundreds of years till they find a suitable planet

Progress the improvement over time. Mars is just the start.

Also, sending humans outside the solar system is dumb. We need at least human V2.0, because a 200+ year journey would suck with these aging bodies.
All the technology to send people to Mars, keep them alive and return them exists today.

>>8701185
Mars doesn't have enough atmosphere to have destructive storms..
>>8701552
Yes we can. The biggest challenge is getting a habitat to mars without it being destroyed, which should be somewhat fixed with the falcon heavy and space launch vehicle.

>>8700914
Colonizing mars is certainly a dumb idea. Until the inevitable world ending meteor hits our planet and kills all humans. Or any other equally likely armegeddon scenario. If we are to survive as a species for the duration of the universe, or at least our solar system, its a good idea to not place all our bets on Earth being habitable forever.

>>8702410
We don't need them alive, their children or their grandchildren will reach the destination. It will be a giant space version of Noah's Ark

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>continued talk of colonizing mars before we have even colonized the moon as a starting point

>>8700914
>t gets to -73 Celsius at night at the *equator.*
I guess it's a good thing we developed heating technology.

>>8701583
radiation doesn't penetrate through a kilometer of stone too well.

>>8702693
You sure found a great planet to live on.

>>8702450
The Moon is shit, no reason to go there and not Mars.

>>8702693
>>8701583
>>8703354
For a sense of scale, here's surface radiation per year (in REM) at a few locations
Earth: 0.62
Earth's Moon: 50
Mars: 15
Io: 1,314,000
Europa: 197,100
Ganymede: 2,920
Callisto: 36

And here's what those REM can do:
"Safe" workplace exposure: 5
Massively increased cancer risk: 100
Horrifying unavoidable death in a matter of hours where you melt like the dude from Robocop: 800

>>8700914
Mars would be easy if we can have robots building before humans come, and yes it isn't going to be colonized in 2 years it will take quite some years and in the process it might even fail but hey human race could have died of few times on Earth too and we're still here.

only cucks would want to colonise Mars.

>twf moon colony master race

>>8700914
It's dumb now
It will probably be dumb a two hundred years from now
But eventually, it could be viable.

>>8703363
You can't fucking die within hours even at 800 REM u retarded fuck, it would take days if not weeks.

broke: colonize mars
woke: colonize venus

Mars is a waste of time before we go FTL
After we have many already habitable planets under our belt we can exploit the solar system, Moon, Mars, moons of Jupiter

>>8703387
>mfw space niggers from Mars want to illegal immigrant to my Earth via crash landing a ship
>mfw orbital border patrol blows their shit up before they hit the mesosphere

Earth-born master race checking in.

>>8701196

Earth by definition is a 1 on the terraformation scale, no matter the surface conditions. You can't get more like the Earth than the Earth, even if the Earth is shitty.

>>8702150

Except it wouldn't be you fuckass, 100 billion dollars worth of investment in robots wouldn't be able to compete with the amount of scientific data we could get by spending 100 billion dollars on manned exploration.


If you don't want to increase the budget, then robots are the way to go. If you don't care about budget and just want science, send people, because a person can do shit like flip heavy rocks and dig pits and walk over to explore interesting features in minutes rather than weeks, and so forth.

>>8702382

And don't do shit.

>muh visibility

The dust storms have about as much affect on the surface as a light breeze on earth, as long as you don't rely completely on solar power you'd be unaffected.

>>8702450

>implying we can only do one or the other

nigger if we develop the launch vehicles necessary to go to and land on Mars with big living modules you can bet your big black ass we can do the same on the Moon. Doing the Moon is just a bit tougher despite being closer because it's way more dry and has almost no available carbon resources, unlike Mars.


Mars is like the Americas while the Moon is like Greenland, easier to get to one but harder to live on, and vice versa.

>>8703439

>colonizing a planet where you can't even go to the surface with robots for more than a few hours let alone set up a viable mining operation

Venus is the worst place in the solar system to try to colonize, even taking into account the less violently terrible conditions ~50km above the surface, except for the atmospheres of the gas giants and the Sun.

ISHYGDDT

>>8700916
>America colonized Saudi Arabia
It didn't. What the hell are you trying to say?

>>8703431
if untreated you can die from shock in hours with a very high dose

it's almost like getting hit with billions and billions of tiny pieces of birdshot

>>8700914
>some moron looked up one thing about mars and thinks he figured out something nobody has taken into consideration ever

like as if elon musk is going to see this thread and go "holy shit, we didn't even THINK of that! Fuck!"

fuck off OP you dumb faggot retard

>>8703756
no shit dumb fuck. a high enough dose of literally anything will kill you. radiation isn't nearly as dangerous as you retards perceive. talk to a medical physicist and they could explain it pretty easily how not dangerous gamma rays in the doses we are exposed to on earth, in medical imaging like CT scans, and on some mission to Mars is peanuts to something like being in the middle of a fucking nuclear reactor melt down or an atom bomb going off.

OP's right you know..