Ok, fuck this pretentious shit. Latex has to be the very worst

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latex isnt hard

just use overleaf.com, you can see the raw text, the rich text and a pdf preview

>>8632376
Yeah, fuck ALL that bullshit on the left. There is no fucking reason in 2017 I should have to type a fucking novel to produce a single page of equations for a publication. Not when so many cheap ass school apps like webassign let you just slam this shit out with a few key presses. How is there not a middle ground between inaccessible homework websites and convoluted latex bullshit? How does Word or something similar not handle this already?

>>8632376
Look at all that shit. Just LOOK at it, man.

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>>8632385
>>8632391
you just sound like a lazy brainlet

>>8632402
More like I've got better shit to do after doing MONTHS OF RESEARCH AND TESTING than spend fucking weeks reading the various latex manuals, installing 8 different latex formats, and pissing myself in rage over how fucking stupidly made this entire system is.

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>>8632407
>installing 8 different latex formats
you dont have to install anything on overleaf brainlet

>>8632366
>>8632385
OP how much of a brainlet are you exactly? Do you still pronounce it "latex" too?

>>8632413
Maybe not, but I've already done the 8 other formats. All at the suggestion of someone in a more senior position who SWEARS by this or that.

>>8632419
I heard it said "lay-tech" for about a year straight from upperclassmen before ever seeing it spelled.

>>8632385
you might as well code in Fortran if you simply want things to be simple and not powerful

So how's your first day with LaTeX going, OP?

To be fair though, plain TeX actually is a clusterfuck. LaTeX is a barely usable wrapper and even plain LaTeX is outdated and superceded by XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX.

It would be amazing to see a modern FOSS replacement for *TeX but there's so much work poured into the *TeX ecosystem already that no competitor has a chance of getting off the ground.

I use sharelatex. It's an online, side by side, latex environment, with online collaboration support a la Google docs.

I will always pronounce it "latex"

Why the fuck would you make such a good acronym and then give it a dumb ass pronunciation for no reason? fuck that shit

>>8632366
>[math]\text{its}^a L_{A_{T^E}} X \text{thread}[/math]
awww [math]y^{e^{s^{s^{s^{s}}}}}[/math]

>>8632528

i love you

Dude what learning LaTeX was the easiest part of my first year at uni what are you on. It's the most straightforward shit. Felt like I was just writing out the equations by hand with pen and paper

>>8632366
LaTeX hasn't really changed in 30 years.
It's not really that hard. You should check out the original TeX code.
> how to do stupid shit like add a degree sign!
>>not having your custom environments
also, isn't it just ^o?
there's not a real symbol afaik

>>8632385
I'm sorry you're too retarded to use Latex and also too retarded to understand how languages are parsed.

Thank Knuth before bed child, without him you wouldn't have those pretty math books you never read.

>>8632453
Because it was called TeX as in basically greek for technology, until some brainlets said it was too hard to code in TeX so they made Lazy TeX or LaTeX

>>8632385
Maple and Mathematica do that already desu.
I can't stand them wysiwyg math editors but that's personal preference

>>8632592
pronouncing it "latex"
goes perfectly with the 'lazy'

>>8632623
except that x is a chi, not an x

>>8632366
There really are annoying things about LaTeX, mainly due to its age. It desperately needs a modern recode that doesn't rely on building up piles of legacy software.

Beyond that, well, you get used to it. I admit that it takes some time, but once you are there it has a lot of advantages, e.g. when you are working on more complicated documents, have different versions of your documents and work in a collaboration. The documents produced are usually rather good looking, although it's often way overrated as people who have no fucking clue about typography keep advertising it as something it is not. The truth is, Metafont is a horrible format, the truth is, most of the extremely few standard fonts look absolutely terrible (in particular Computer Modern) and the truth is using anything but standard shit will usually void all advantages LaTeX has regarding typesetting quality. The extreme plasticity of the fonts provided may have been an enthusiastic goal, but ultimately it's overdone. Build something like LaTeX once again with better support for say OpenType fonts that isn't implemented as a wrapper for a wrapper for a wrapper for a wrapper, and we can talk.

Having said that, it's still the best thing out there, stop whining. Your ability to learn and accept new things is a direct indicator of your quality in the job market. Nobody hires people who get an autistic seizure every time they have to work with something new.

>>8632757
Latex 3 has been in development since 1990.

>>8632577
I had to import a library to add it the first time I tried. Moved environments and it wasn't even supported in the second one.

>>8632757
best linux software for writing latex papers?

>>8632638
I'm soo lazy IDGAF

>>8632366
All the other tools for formatting maths are shit once you do non basic stuff (especially typesetting complicated inference rules) and you have consistency between your slides, paper and figures, instead of producing them in different tools and being slightly off every time.

If you write complicated things you need complicated tools, if you just want to write your Calc 1 homework, use whatever you want and shut up.

well, latex is very specialised. It is basically only for math, physics research papers.
If you want to make nice looking documents with graphics and pictures behaving like you want' you're out of luck.

>>8632366
>>8632385
>>8632407
>he can't compile latex in his head
when will brainlets learn?

>>8632908
/g/ mode: emacs/vim
everyone else: texstudio

>>8632908
Plain text editors

what we need is troff, but without the silliness of needing to put commands on their own lines. or a modification of markdown meant for typesetting documents with equations.

>>8632407
LOL what? I picked latex up in a week. Just use detexify or google whenever you need to do something you don't know nigger. A five-year-old could learn it wtf

>>8633352
>spending a week just to learn a typesetter

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>>8633352
yeah if you can't use latex you are too thick to contribute to the human gene pool and should auto ethanize

>>8632366
add a degree sign like $60^\circ$

[math]
60^\circ
[\math]

>>8633037
kile is ok and has a spell checker.

how do you enter math mode on 4chan's LaTeX'y-thing?

>>8632407
Just download and install MikTeX. Literally no thinking involved

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>>8633357
>>8633352
>>8633037
>people confusing criticism of an obtuse psuedo-programming language with implications that it's actually hard to use, rather than just tedious

And now we find that YOU are the brainlets. This is a horrendously baseless assumption on your parts.

This is like someone saying "Where are all the self driving cars? They're so much safer and easier to use. Just hop in and tell it where you want to go. Imagine how much work you could do if you didn't have to drive during your commute!" and you brainlets go "hurr look at dis brainlet who can't evun dribe a car!@"

>>8632366
Write your document in word, then put it into latex, and you don't have worry about formatting, font, referencing (if you use bibtex), or the layout of your sections. You can put much more finesse into how you want the finished product to look, too.
If you're struggling to use latex while writing your document, then I think I've figured out your problem; write first, format later.

>>8632366
OP you are just an idiot. I'm nothing special, but even 15 year old me could figure out how to use it for shits and giggles.

how do you do latex in /sci/?

>>8632425
>Fortran
>Not powerful

Thems fightin words, anon.

>>8632366
What are you doing on sci if you cannot LaTeX??

Also LyX.

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>>8633482
{math}{/math} but with square brackets

>>8633936
>WYSIWYG editor for a WYSIWYM system

I wasn't convinced at first but after one semester of being forced to use it because otherwise I'd have to write my lab reports by myself (lab partner refused to use LibreOffice) I've got a really good hang of it and writing reports and papers in godlike [math]\LaTeX[/math] is no slower or more tedious than doing it in a WYSIWYG editor, except I can type all my stuff out in a 80 chars wide terminal window next to another one for compiling, then look at the pdf on another workspace in full screen.

>>8633383
>This is like someone saying "Where are all the self driving cars? They're so much safer and easier to use. Just hop in and tell it where you want to go. Imagine how much work you could do if you didn't have to drive during your commute!" and you brainlets go "hurr look at dis brainlet who can't evun dribe a car!@"
No, it's like people saying "Yeah, sure would be nice, but self-driving cars are pretty fucking expensive or just plain suck atm, so I suggest you fucking learn how to drive a car if you want to drive places."

So, that's the point: Yes, a nicely designed wysiwyg editor that lets you comfortably do whatever would sure be nice, but you usually end up with the following problems:
1. It costs a fortune
2. It is only available for fucking Windows
3. It has very limited capabilities (in particular math type setting, where LaTeX is gold standard)
4. The software is so badly designed that you are actually WAY faster with LaTeX.
5. Collaborative work and versioning is not existent or really tedious.
6. Nobody can work with your special snowflake document (LaTeX is de facto standard in science, it really is).

>>8634193
>(LaTeX is de facto standard in science, it really is).
Not all science. Only three people in my whole graduate program (Genetics/MolBio) even know what it is, let alone use it.

>>8634222
Rule of thumb is, the more formulas or other difficult typesetting is used in a field, the more likely it is that LaTeX is undisputed standard for publications, reports and such. In Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics and Computer Science this is the case. But you are right, some softer branches of science tend to ignore it.

>>8632366

OP is dumb and 19 years old, frustrated at the learning curve. >>8632385 He also does not seem to know that hotkeys are a thing, and as a digital native, he really has no excuse on that one. This is just it's haaaard whining.

I am past thirty. I am not proficient in any computer language, but I know that if I had to learn one, I could readily do so - it just hasn't been a life priority. Still, I'm fairly decent with LaTeX, because I like the comfy feel when the document is done and all the parts are in their right places. Absolutely everything can be googled, now, and solved within ten minutes with low-moderate effort (this wasn't quite true ten years ago. It's true now.)

T. I am not a clever man and I have an easy time with LaTeX.

OP, really the only viable option to LaTeX Is microsoft word. If you really hate latex this much OP then go back to your shitty microsoft software.
>>8632908
Compiler: pdflatex
editor: anything you want, I run spacemacs

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>>8632366
>yfw master XeLaTeX god in your presence

Every time I had labs, it would basically say what is the equivalent of "Mid or feed" in dota.
If they fucking don't write the lab reports in LaTeX I would just sabotage everything. Stept he fuck up, you're not a high schooler anymore.

>>8633482
We don't have LaTeX on sci, we have only TeX. You need to enable javascript in order to see it (it is enabled by default on every browser).

>>8634334
You don't see the irony?
Bragging about acting like a 6 year old piece of shit without a father figure in their life while telling everyone else to grow up?

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>>8632366[math]~=\sum_{now}^\infty \; 'Like~a~bitch.'[/math]

>>8632791
That's cuz it was a shit library.
Just use ^o

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>>8633482

>>8632385
scientists BTFO

>>8634334
I wrote almost all my lab reports by hand.

I prepare the report with all the theory and equations and leave blanks for the results and conclusion.

If you don't want to learn Latex jus use lyx.

If you are doing homeworks, there is a Word math equation plugin that is 10x easier to use.

If you are writing a paper to submit to a conference there isn't anything much better.

There are some attempts to have a markdown to latex syntax, but it is really not that fleshed out when I was looking at it.

>>8632528
U mean \LaTeX, right?

baka

SILE is an alternative, but it is still in development. You might have a look at it.

>>8632757
>Dedicating this much time and effort to responding to a troll post

>not using t/groff

I like Latex and everything, I use it for almost everything I write on the computer, but it needs to worked to reduce the amount of packages and stuff you have to install.

Isn't this the same software that was used to write integral-calculator.com?

Because if so that explains a lot that website fucking sucks.

>>8632757
You are completely right.

However I do not think a rework of LaTeX is ever going to happen, since there is no point in doing it.

>performance
Completely irrelevant on modern machines, even if we can get a speed increase by a factor of 10. On modern machines it will merely make the difference between 1-2 seconds.
>messy language structure
this is mostly kept "under the hood" and 90% of users will never touch it, sure there are problems manifesting themselves from below, but these are mostly well known
>excellent existing packages
people have been creating useful and convenient packages for decades, they would have to be rewritten too, which would be very annoying

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>>8632376
>png figure
>not using tikz or a vector graphic created with e.g. ipe
Shiggy diggy
Also, while overleaf is nice to get started, processing the tex is pretty slow, especially for large papers. So if you actually want to do something serious in latex, see >>8633037 . texstudio in paricular has an integrated viewer, that is a lot faster than overleaf, simply because the processing is done locally.

>>8632376
>>8637525
Actually, now that I think about it, I would be surprised if there wasn't a package to draw commutative diagrams.

>>8633470
>shits and giggles
found the urban redneck

>>8632757
True, TeX is monstrous legacy software ecosystem. Unfortunately, any system trying to replace TeX would simply not be taken serious unless it supports all hundreds of packages and all baziljions of documents depending on them.

Perhaps pandoc will liberate us from this mess, someday...

>>8636367
>not derailing troll threads with serious posts
This is the simply the most effective method to get a serious post visible on /sci/ . Threads with serious OP's generally do not get a lot replies. Almost all posts I found interesting in the last year were posted in threads like this. It sounds like this isn't how it's supposed to happen, but such is the current state of /sci/

>>8632430
This is the correct opinion.

>>8636186
>documentation doesn't mention typesetting of formulas
no thanks

>>8632366
i guess u are not into Engineering mathematics or other Science area, LATEX is very easy in begin he look hard same happy to me

Overleaf or Sharelatex?

Also what's the best offline editor?

>>8637843
miktex, compile on command line, edit with plaintext editor

>>8632908
texmaker, don't listen to those other casuals

>go to lecture
>hand write notes
>transcribe to markdown half a week later
>read before next lecture

>>8632425
Guy, no matter how brainletty you are, ye olde fortran is powerful. It might not be to your taste, you might find it a bit cumbersome, but it is powerful.

>>8639732
>ye olde fortran is powerful
Yes? What features does fortran have over the more popular but relatively simple C?

>>8640562
C's LAPACK is written in Fortran

>>8640570
And? How does this say anything about fortran's language features? What powerful features made fortran so useful for that library?

>>8640575
Because it's just old and no one wants to rewrite 50 years of standard libraries.

>>8632366
Latex is fucking easy as shit. If you can't write up a Latex document you might need to see a doctor to check if you're clinically retarded or not. The only thing that needs to be googled is how to write up a table.

>>8641274
>The only thing that needs to be googled is how to write up a table.
>the only thing
Well, is a bit optimistic. Don't get me wrong, the basics of LaTeX are not harder than any WYSIWYG word processors, but plenty of the more advanced features such as macros, references, bibliography management and floating figures require consulting some documentation to be sure you're doing it right, similarly to the WYSIWYG word processors that support similar features.

Although most users of WYSIWYG tools are tempted to figure it out via trial and error, this is actually impossible, since they will never be able to see what they mean, in the perspective of the program. I think this is one of the reasons almost noone uses MS Word correctly. Many people do not use headings, but change font types and sizes manualy and are satisfied when the result looks fine in their opinion, being completely unaware that they are crudely simulating existing functionality.

So, whether you like LaTeX or not, whatever you do, RFTM, please.

>>8641796
>RFTM
*RTFM, of course

>>8637963
anything but emacs/vim is ultimate casual mode

/sci/ why can't I find a free online latex editor which autosaves shit and has google drive save support so I can use the infinite storage on my uni's google drive account REEEEEEEEEEE

>>8641813
Doesn't Overleaf have G-drive support? Or does the 'autosave' not work for that? In that case, you could try to let a folder in G-drive track the git repo that Overleaf 'creates' for every project so you can copy your projects easily, although I do not know if G-drive has any support for tracking git repos.

[math] 2^{2+5}[/math] test

Is it bad that I just use mathematica cause I don't like working in latex? It just feels pointless to me as it's an entire programming language just for formatting equations and the like.

>>8642143
Yes, you've misunderstood the point of the language.

Pen+paper+Scanned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

>>8641807
texmaker is comfy though, you can't compile on the fly with emacs/vim

>>8640562
Are you retarded? Holy shit

>>8642367
OK, nvm, I'm realizing I'm the omega casual here.

At any rate, >>8632908, TexMaker serves as a nice introduction to LaTex. There's a video series on YouTube that I learned from.

>>8632985
you can make graphics with latex, I had to make free body diagrams, graphs, images, etc last term

>>8642119
[math] 2^{2+3} [/math] test
[math] \frac{a}{b}[/math] test2
[math] \frac{(12+2)}{P_a\cdot\pi}[/math] test 3

>>8633363
Read the sticky

>>8632366
You use a supplied document style or make your own you idiot.