>At the Department of Energy, it would roll back funding

>>8625165
Why do you need them to do the research?

>>8625215

The equipment and materials are very expensive because they are not mass produced and require very niche and expert resources.

My ex worked in a bioengineering lab, and it was very common to write multi-million dollar grant proposals in order to be able to afford buying basic supplies (specialized microscope, chemical supplies, etc.).

If these national organizations cut funding, then there is no money for professors to do research. They won't be able to afford supplies.

>>8625165

Not only will scientists leave the country, but people thinking about studying in America might not be as enticed to do their research in the states.

I am seriously thinking about leaving the country after one or two years. We will see how bad this term gets.

>>8625165
this is so fucked. all so some rig pig or dumb hick can keep his oil job. thanks for setting us back republiCONS, you fucking retards.

>>8625165
Meanwhile, in reality, this just got submitted for approval.

>H.R. 590: Advanced Nuclear Technology Development Act of 2017
>A bill to foster civilian research and development of advanced nuclear energy technologies and enhance the licensing and commercial deployment of such technologies.

They want to push through legislature that will dramatically cut the red tape for private companies funding and building nuclear power and research facilities and make it easier for the private sector to market commercially viable nuclear technology.

There's also a half dozen space and science bills submitted or in the process of submission as of this week.


Don't forget guys, two-thirds of the major research and engineering labs in the country are in red states.

>>8625165
It's more about consolidating than eliminating. Research will still be done, only there won't be 100 departments with 100 department leaders &100's of unnecessary staff which ultimately hampers effective research from being done. We need efficiency.

>>8625250
yeah okay, when he asks for the names of people doing climate research for a stalinist purge I'm a little skeptical that it's just about "reorganizing"

Trump supporters will do any amount of mental gymnastics to justify this shit.

>>8625250
If anything, cutting all the fat and red tape means the actual amount that gets spent on research will either be unchanged or slightly better.

>>8625239
i've seen first hand the """research""" that university labs do and it's dogshit. research done by national labs is far higher quality, and far more cost effective as the labs have technicians on the payroll to service and maintain the expensive equipment, not to mention the equipment itself.

>>8625242
Maybe if we kick a few libtard professors out of our universities there'll be room for more researchers & etc.

>>8625215
The fuck are doing in a /sci/ if you have to ask that question. Research is expensive as fuck and needs to be given a loose leash, if any leash, in order for it to have max potential. Industry work 90% of the time is only focused on minor shit like how can we increase battery life for our phones. Industry tries to minimize risk but the hard fucking truth is some of our biggest accomplishments weren't set in stone shit. It was like crossing an uncharted ocean. Big deal shit like genome editing or fusion has to be goverment funded.

>>8625255
Do we really need four separate, fully staffed offices to deal exclusively with climate change-related regulatory actions?

>>8625261
>Industry work 90% of the time is only focused on minor shit like how can we increase battery life for our phones.
lmao

you're in for a surprise once you graduate high school and see what is actually researched in most university labs.

>>8625258
This this this this. If you really want to make a positive influence on research funding, gut the programs dumping millions into stupid sociology and gender studies """research"""

>>8625264
Do you really expect me to buy that it's just "reorganizing" when Trump and his cabinet have repeatedly stated they do not believe in the theory of AGW?

How naive do you think we are?

>>8625255
Libtards over exaggerate 'global warming' causes and cherry pick scientists to push their agenda. It's about time they are challenged.

>>8625270
Jesus christ what the fuck are you even doing on this board. Go back to your echo chamber /pol/

>>8625258

Most of the professors are researchers. The researchers are required to lecture as part of their position.

>>8625268
You obviously didn't watch the Senate Confirmation Hearings. Get off CNN and educate yourself about the truth. CNN is akin to getting information from the National Enquirer

>>8625276
>Get off CNN and educate yourself about the truth
Fuck off /pol/

>>8625268
How about reacting to what actually happens instead of what you think or expect to happen?

If Trump ends up outright dissolving shit like the EPA, then by all means feel free to lose your shit. But until then it's all just so much "sky is falling" talk.

>>8625257

You have a pretty intense way of wording your opinions.

Well, most grants are not written for the million dollar range. Maybe only some of the best labs.

My ex was doing work for the army core of engineers, so maybe that is why the grants were for a little more $$$.

>>8625276
>CNN is akin to getting information from the National Enquirer
It's funny because the National Enquirer is unashamedly pro Trump.

>>8625279
The dude literally is quoted as saying global warming is a hoax by china. The dude literally put fourth plans to defund a fuckton of environmental work and he's only been in office for 3 days. Please just fuck off to /pol/.

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holy fuck

bunch of cave people

>>8625261

Underrated post.

In the 70's & 80's Libtards were screaming about how Florida and NYC would be under water by 2000 because 'muh scientists say so'

Well....what happened?

>>8625282
That's the point you retard.

all these closeminded leftists who have nothing else to say than 'fuck off back to /pol/' need to be banned already, its worse than the 'go back to rebbit' crowd

>>8625292
>Libtards
filtered

>>8625285
>The dude literally is quoted as saying global warming is a hoax by china.
To be fair, the man basically says whatever random shit pops into his touped head.

That doesn't mean he acts on it.

I may not like the man, but I'll continue to judge him the same way I just everyone else - on his actions, not his words.

>>8625261
We have the internet largely thanks to public funding. Many of the most innovative things you can think of were the result of government-funded research. But no, keep reading your Ayn Rand fairytales about the great John Galt.

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>>8625295
Fuck off back to >>>/pol/ retard

>>8625295
>closeminded
When will right wing hicks learn to spell?

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>>8625297
>I may not like the man
yeah right you have all the signs of a trump nutgargler

Fuck off back to your containment board now
>>>/pol/

>>8625295
Right?
They aren't very tolerant of people with different views. Not very inclusive at all.

>>8625296
So you don't have an answer huh???

You only know what's been spoon fed to you. sad. Many such cases.

>>8625307
To be fair, neither is the Right. Ya'll both a bunch of shit slingers. I'm sitting here trying to figure out what's actually happening, and the lot of you are just insulting each other.

>>8625297
>on his actions

Does the action of him putting forth a plan to defund a significant amount of shit not count as action?

>>8625311
>???
don't care

>>8625311
says the guy who believes everything his bull Trump says on twitter

Hero worshiping cuck fagg, kill yourself.

>>8625285
He's also on record saying this:

> Though there are increasing demands to curtail spending and to balance the federal budget, we must make the commitment to invest in science, engineering, healthcare and other areas that will make the lives of Americans better, safer and more prosperous.

>>8625317
That's it. It's a cult of personality. Trump won on name recognition alone.
>HE WAS IN MY TEEVEE STORIES!
>I LOVE THE LEADER!

>>8625302
Lol.

You can't argue on facts so you resort to name calling. Are you like 6?

>>8625323
>"LIBTARDS ARE SO STUPID HURR"
>WOW LIBTARDS CAN ONLY NAME CALL WTF THEY HURT MY BRAINLET FEELINGS ;_;

Kill yourself you mong.

>>8625323
don't care

>>8625313
Not if it doesn't significantly impact the actual research being done.

Again - despite what people are reading into here or assuming he's going to do, all that's been proposed up to this point is consolidating a lot of redundant offices and dead weight, not cutting actual research funding.

Until such time as something like that actually happens - there's no point in losing our collective shit.

>>8625165
>it would roll back funding for nuclear physics

Wonderful.

>>8625165
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTT

>>8625257
>>research done by national labs is far higher quality
and that's exactly what he's defunding

>>8625349
>and that's exactly what he's defunding
No, he's not.

Consolidating a bunch of regulatory offices that all do basically the same shit already is not "defunding national labs" and more than a university laying off a secretary or janitor who works at the physics building is "dissolving the physics department"

Americans need jobs first. Then we can worry about the nuclear physics.

>China will somehow overt take the US in research
Yea right. If the US stops research, so will they

It's too late to save the environment anyway

>>8625380
Isn't unemployment at like 5%? That actually on the good side of the spectrum. Yeah 0% is best but considering the fact the lowest its been since the 60's is 3% I think 5% is pretty dam good.

Doesn't seem like a job crisis to me.

>>8625380
Come up with something that actually needs doing and is more worthwhile than research then you dumb faggot.

We have an abundance of resources to spend on research which leads to new tech.

>>8625389
>Isn't unemployment at like 5%?
No

>>8625391
>Come up with something that actually needs doing and is more worthwhile than research then you dumb faggot.
Getting a job so I can eat and not die

>>8625270

you have to go back

>>8625295

you have to go back

>>8625307
The problem is it's not just "different views".
It's the same baseless retarded drivel, over and over and fucking over for years.
It's like if, for some strange reason, everyone in the neighborhood collectively but privately decided to get their dogs to shit on your lawn. Eventually, whenever you catch someone in the act you absolutely lose your shit at the dog owner, in a manner that seems way over the top to them.
It's cumulate.

>>8625397
>>8625389
Just double checked. overwhelming majority of sources, goverment or private ru, all say its around 5%.

For 2015, US expenditure energy and environment made up 1.17%, science 0.78%, and education made up 2.67%. No one is going hungry because those pennies that are going to those small percentages. Literally please fuck off you mental gymnast. You are ruining any hope humanity has of longevity.

>>8625397
>No

Yes.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

>>8625412
*cumulative, obviously.
>>8625397
It's like 4.7%, a fair chunk of which is structural. Great rebuttal though.
>>8625389
A healthy economy tends to have around 4-5% unemployment. 0% is both unprecedented and undesirable.

>>8625248
Its amazing how the first thing anyone around here does is take the humanity away and replace it with a label. Those people who are keeping their jobs ha e families, lives, pets, you name it. They are americans, your politically fucked agenda to protect an industry that is owned by the fucking rockefellers is a reason you liberals have lost your audience. If you change the tone to whom you speak to, perhaps treat them as individuals instead of the identity youve given them without meeting them then you probably wouldnt be in the situation politically your in now.

>>8625481
the left is too busy virtue signalling to actually care about real people

>>8625489
Is that the liberal version of dick waving?
Excwpt ther guy with the bigger virtue gets to watch his gf get reamed and be smug?

>>8625493
>Is that the liberal version of dick waving?
basically, except instead of waving your dick you wave your "sympathy" for minorities who make up 1% of 1% of the population, and shit on the white christians who run the country while loving islam for some reason

>>8625481
>Its amazing how the first thing anyone around here does is take the humanity away and replace it with a label
>you liberals
Give it a rest, you hypocrite.

China is the biggest investor of green energy in the world. Westerners are still disillusioned of China and imagine it to be a big factory. Arrogance doesn't get far but anyone who is interested in going to CN to research in basically anything is gonna have a helluva time.

>>8625481

they gave up the right to be considered human/an individual when they got in bed with russia.

>>8625514
what about when the left got in bed with saudi arabia?

>>8625515
>what about when the left got in bed with saudi arabia?

whataboutism, also didn't happen, saudi arabia became an ally to the US during nixon's tenure.

>>8625517
'we were already allies' is no excuse

any woman who voted for shillary as some sort of 'woman's candidate' while she takes billions from saudi arabia where women are stoned daily can not claim to actually support women's rights

what's wrong with russia anyway?

>>8625518
>'we were already allies' is no excuse

it's not an excuse, there is no such thing as making excuses for something that didn't happen.

>while she takes billions from saudi arabia

[citation needed]

>what's wrong with russia anyway?

there's a ton wrong with russia, but most importantly nobody should want their country's leader to have their policy informed solely by the russian government under threat of blackmail.

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>>8625522
http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-foundation-defends-acceptance-of-foreign-donations-1424302856

>The United Arab Emirates, a first-time donor, gave between $1 million and $5 million, 2014 according to disclosures on an online Clinton Foundation database.

>Saudi Arabia, a previous donor, has given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation’s creation. An unspecified portion of the money came in 2014.

>>8625526

how is a government donating to a charity that uses the clinton name in any way the same as a hostile government directly influencing the president?

>>8625528
russia is not hostile to trump's USA, only to obama's USA which is thankfully now gone

also russia does not 'directly influence' Trump, the entire fake dossier has been debunked

how much money has russia given to Trump?

>>8625165
lesser of two evils. better than turning into africa

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>>8625528
>hostile government directly influencing the president?
Kek! He fell for the fake news

>>8625532

US has been an African-like warmongering state since 1945.

>>8625165
Wow NICE! If I had know I might have voted for him.

>>8625481
I thought telling it like what it is what you want? we have to be politically correct now?

>>8625249
This

Trump is cutting regulations left and right.

This will incentivize the private sector to invest in science more

Trump is making science great again

Expect to see a big nuclear power boom because the only thing that stopped it was regulation
Fucking NRC jews

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He's doing too many things too fast, the idea according to the link is to cut the federal budget by 10 trillion in 10 years. But this falls under the assumption that he will be able to successfully stay in the office for 8 years (which is not a guarantee, he can either fail to get re-elected or pass away within those 8 years since he's 70).

So instead of being logical, understanding the fragility of his situation and trying to focus his efforts on one or two major things (i.e. fix healthcare possibly social security and regulate immigration) he is instead jungling multiple issues concerning subjects that arguably neither he nor any of his cabinet are qualified to deal with (i.e. budgets concerning federal research and the logistics of federal labor).

Mind you though, I'm not really surprised. I figured this would happen since he's trying to run the government like a oversized private business but I hope /pol/ and the alt-right can one day learn to appreciate the ramifications that comes about when you elect people like this (i.e. individuals who lack awareness/knowledge of the autonomy of a government as big as the U.S.).

>>8625270
Leave this board

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Hi OP feel free to go back to >>>/pol/

>>8625528
>How is giving money to your charity bad?
How is leaving money under your door mat money laundry?

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>>8625720
>oy vey the goys are running the country under budget and ahead of schedule

Occupy an oven you filthy kike

>>8625846

Not a very... Not a very good rebuttal anon.

>>8625846
>>>/pol/

>>8625846

> The paper is not called The Jew York Times

What a waste.

>>8625418
>Just double checked. overwhelming majority of sources, goverment or private ru, all say its around 5%.
And how much of that is actually full time employment? Not part time or temp work?

REEEEEE GIVE ME MORE OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY

t. /sci/

>>8625846
Dude the first thing Trump did after winning was to call Bibi. You guys really shot yourself in the foot by voting for him. Even liberals are more anti-semitic than you now.

>>8625165
After the Brexit, every single former coworker of mine who works in the UK started to make plans to move to mainland Europe. Now, a significant proportion of former coworkers who work in the US are planning to leave the US due to the current general anti-science sentiment spread by the Trump administration.

Soon scientists in Europe are gonna start complaining about dem foreigners takin' our jobs. But oh wait, we're not retarded. I foresee a new Renaissance era for European science, sparked by the influx of great minds.

>>8625720
Donald Trump is going to impose radical changes on the country... Why would he focus only on certain areas when EVERYTHING needs to be fixed

>>8625982
>But oh wait, we're not retarded.

When the EU dies and right wing governments come to power there, hopefully you lefties suffer as you deserve

Did anyone really expect otherwise?

I'm more interested in what /pol/ will be like in a couple years from now. There's only so many rationalizations that someone can make.

>>8625992
0/10

why are you even on this board

>>8625998
Go ahead and flee to the third world counties you claim are so wonderful

>>8625998
because it's called /sjw/ ?
oh wait, thats why you're here.

>>8625631
Such a broad generalization is patently false. How do you consider something that is objectively false telling it like it is.
Atleast with arguments against blthe blacks there are a fuckton of numbers behind them, and its still not right to make broad generalizations

>>8626000
that doesn't even make any sense

>>8626002
Nope, clearly beyond doubt this board is not /pol/, so I suggest you go back there.

>>8626011
Not right as in makes you look stupid, not the moral sense.

>>8626013
Trump should replace each and every immigrant loving "scientist" with an immigrant, let them get a taste of their own medicine

>>8626023
now you're just rambling random nonsense

>>8626013
You're not allowed to spread your propaganda throughout 4chan. Go back to whatever racist jewish nationalist shithole you came from child killer.

>>8626033
Buddy, you're trying too hard. Best I can give you is a 1/10.

>>8626023
He should relocate libtards to where the refugees live, away from all the privileged ebil whiteys so they can get gangraped and killed like they think white people deserve. It's a win-win.

>>8626037
We don't your humorless shitposts here. Please leave.

>>8626047
>humorless
Welcome newfriend. This is /sci/, we're all autists here.

>>8625369
>At the Department of Energy, it would roll back funding for nuclear physics and advanced scientific computing research to 2008 levels, eliminate the Office of Electricity, eliminate the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy and scrap the Office of Fossil Energy, which focuses on technologies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

>>8625165

>le drumpf is evil nazi tyrant!
>teehee I <3 China a nation of true progress and equality!

>>8625380
>If the US stops research, so will they

What the fuck? Why would they're investing heavily in renewables research right now? Why on Earth would they stop?

>>8626055

They were running protestors over with tanks 20 years ago

this is hilarious

>>8626055
>Whataboutism
Not an argument

>>8626066

I believe what hes trying to say (or what hes using to prove his reasoning) is that in the absence of competition then there's no point for them to actually try anything, since the incentive (or one of them) for them to do so is apparently some sort of nationalistic belief that drives them to be ahead (or at least on par) with other nations when it comes to scientific progress.

At least that's what I think he means. But I'd disagree. As competition is clearly not the only incentive that comes into this subject.

>Moving Trump’s budget through Congress could be difficult. In 2015, with the GOP in control of the House, the RSC budget failed by a vote of 132 to 294.

Yawn.

Trump and the GOP are going after welfare, now that they can.

>>8626089
>welfare
What part of this has to do with welfare exactly?

>>8626126
Nothing, he's just a rebbit refugee parroting whatever bullshit he read on r/politics

>>8626089
lul. can we finally say goodbye to disease spreading rapefugees and unemployable crack addicted hood rats ?

Hey guys what is easiest country outside US to get a govt research job? I'm about to graduate and don't think I can handle this shit.

>>8626141
Hopefully 4chan NEETs like you as well

>>8626141

I would rather that you just disappeared.

>>8625165
FUSION NEVER

>>8625982
>But oh wait, we're not retarded. I foresee a new Renaissance era for European science, sparked by the influx of great minds.


lol, yes. With that changing demographics that will make Muslim migrants the majority by 2100, you will truly have a "bright" future.

>>8626254
>>8626260
Don't worry, the right has always been good at making sure civilization destroying leftists "disappear".

Remember, low IQ immigration, and current dysgenics are more destructive then climate change is.

>>8626337
>majority by 2100,
What a load of alternative facts. The proportion of Muslims in Europe isn't even 5%. Besides, I'll be long dead then.

This is a >>/pol/ thread that's vaguely to do with science.. God you people really don't know how to discuss on-topic shit.

>>8626344
>low IQ immigration
Hurr durr what is regression towards the mean
>dysgenics
Hurr durr what is heterosis

>>8626348
That is not true, Muslims are already approaching 10% in France, especially when you look at the younger generation. Not only that, but the native French have low birth rates. Furthermore, Muslims have high birth rate, , the tide of migrants aren't stopping, so there will be an additional millions of Muslim migrants in the next decade. A muslim majority in 2100 is not so strange, after all, the US went from over 90% white to 60% white in the span of 60 years.

>>8626356
I don't think you know much about intelligence researchers if you are spouting nonsensical things like "regression to the mean" and hybrid vigor without knowing what they mean. There is a clear dysgenic trend when it comes to IQ.

>>8626367 #
>That is not true
It most certainly is, the number I mentioned is the European average. Of course it varies across countries. Google the stats before you reply.

>I don't think you know much about intelligence researchers if you are spouting nonsensical things like "regression to the mean" and hybrid vigor without knowing what they mean. There is a clear dysgenic trend when it comes to IQ.
Haha, I have a PhD in Neuroscience. Why the fuck do you think I mentioned these things? I'm sure you had to Google them judging by the time it took you to reply. Here's another one: The Flynn effect. IQ is steadily increasing across generations.

>>8626388
>Google the stats before you reply

Yeah, its 10% for France. Doesn't change the fact that they will become a majority if current trends.

>>8626388
>Haha, I have a PhD in Neuroscience

You know, you leftist faggot. You shouldn't try to overreach, because you'll blow your cover. You should kill yourself, because I am legitimately getting tired of leftists like you. Your actions in the past year have been morally reprehensible, and your ideology is inherently wrong.

Anyway, a dysgenics trend has been seen as early as the 80s by Richard Lynn, and a Icelandic study seems to reconfirm this trend.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jan/16/natural-selection-making-education-genes-rarer-says-icelandic-study?CMP=share_btn_tw

>>8626367

>>8626388 rekt you.

>>8625967
>"other peoples money"
So I'm guessing you don't believe in taxes.

>>8626408
We can keep jerking each other off or your could just google the stats. Your call.

>https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jan/16/natural-selection-making-education-genes-rarer-says-icelandic-study?CMP=share_btn_tw
Either your didn't read it, or you misunderstood it. Regardless, it's irrelevant. Educational attainment is only a proxy of IQ and the genetic effects this paper highlight are (besides small in absolute and effect size) proxies of educational attainment themselves.

And since you seem to think it's fine to cite news paper articles rather than primary literature, I'll return the favor.
>http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/feature/rising-scores-on-intelligence-tests/1
>Average scores on intelligence tests are rising substantially and consistently, all over the world. These gains have been going on for the better part of a century—essentially ever since tests were invented. The rate of gain on standard broad-spectrum IQ tests amounts to three IQ points per decade, and it is even higher on certain specialized measures.

>you leftist faggot
>overreach
> you'll blow your cover
>You should kill yourself
Anyway, I'm done with this idiotic conversation. Stay mad /pol/, and keep dreaming up those alternative facts. It won't change reality.

>>8625249
underrated post that no one noticed because they only read OP and had a kneejerk reaction

>arguing about muslims in a scientific funding thread
Jesus christ we need to execute the poltards

>>8625249
>>8625704
Thank Kek for based God Emperor Trump. The last thing I want is pesky "regulations" and (((red tape))) getting in the way of me and my unspecified nuclear technologies.

>>8625749
money laundry

Opinion discarded. Learn to spell, retard.

>>8625239

Look up how the DOE was allocated 23 billion in 2013, and then look up how the American black budget for 2012 was close to 60 billion.

Do you really think your ex was the one actually working on shit that mattered? Matter of fact, I have a feeling that the Trump administration is just reallocating the money used by scientists at certain departments, like the department of Energy, and placing it into the hands of scientists which the government knows has the intelligence to get the shit finished ahead of schedule and under budget.

All that you have to do is look at the history of the DOE to understand that it's always been seen as the toilet bowl of departments. The only thing that they're known for is giving away the blueprints to create nuclear weapons. They were formed by Jimmy Carter to regulate energy policy better. They shouldn't even be working on "advanced scientific computing research."

Do you think scientists worth their salt in those fields really want to do research for ARPA-e instead of a place like DARPA or IARPA? To this day, DARPA is probably doing more research in the areas of energy than ARPA-e.

>>8626451
I heard that the DoE was only called "Department of Energy" because it sounded friendlier and more peaceful than "Department of Nuclear Weapons"

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>>8626408
>they will become a majority if current trends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe#Projections

There's a bill for funding the development of nuclear technologies in the works. It's on congress's site.

>>8625242
[fearmongering intensifies]

>>8625380
>America needs jobs to save a middle class that is inevitably dying because of science
>America is refusing the need for scientific progress that could remedy not only middle class stability, but also high and low class

When this country get's glassed, I will be enjoying my time quite lovingly somewhere else.

>>8626348
muslims are 40% of the newborns in france today
Meanwhile how many millions more will arrive?

>>8625165
All sounds good.

>Time to start learning mandarin if you guys hope to get a research career.
Yeah, I'm sure the Chinese will be super stoked to pay Western-level salaries to foreigners to crank out propaganda on why they should unilaterally stop burning coal and oil no matter what it does to their economy.

>>8626507
See >>8626465

>>8626469

Not particularly. One of my friends already left, and I am thinking about leaving within a year or two.

So, how is that fear mongering?

>>8625242
This thread is full of butthurt cry babies like yourself. The scientists are going nowhere. America is too /comfy/ for scientists to leave.

>>8626517
Good. The states will be better off with one less shit-poster.

>>8626521
Kek, mobility is a necessity in science. You're retarded if you think people won't leave. About half of my former coworkers living in the US are now planning to go to Europe, and they're not even in a field that's under pressure by the current administration.

>>8626465
Total numbers are irrelevant idiot
The median age of these muslims is 20 years below that of the whites
The 60+ year old whites pad the white numbers, whereas the muslims are approaching majorities among the young in countries like France

The demographic change is astonishing, rapid, and genocidal

>>8626525
None of them are actually going to leave because Trump is going to trigger a golden age of American development

>>8626547
Some nice assertions you got there.

>>8626493
>a middle class that is inevitably dying because of science
Hear that voters? You're supposed to accept being driven into poverty so this guy can have a prestigious job destroying you. You're just on the Wrong Side of History. Better vote for what he wants and get it over with.

>>8626547
>The median age of these muslims is 20 years below that of the whites
What makes you think that is impossible to take into account when making a projection? Look up the actual source to see how the protection was done before you responded.
>those numbers are irrelevant
Kek, this is starting to turn into a mantra for you, /pol/

>>8626552
By sending us back into fossil fuel development? Short term game into long term loss. Congrats coal workers, you can get all the lung cancer you want.

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>>8625249
Seriously? Is everyone just going to ignore this?

You guys are all bitching about how Trump is going to kill alternative energies and shit, meanwhile he's got Congress pushing through a bill that could dramatically increase our utilization of safe, clean, efficient nuclear fission power.


Ike would approve.

>>8626552
How?

>>8626552
I'm glad you know my friends better than I do. Fucking moron.

>>8626560
??? Meanwhile this projection was made BEFORE the fucking flood of "refugees" that happened recently
Why do you think 40% of France supports the former neo-nazi party

>>8626566
Liberals talk the talk, but never walk the walk
Thats their defining value

>>8626569
>???
I revise my earlier statement. The above should be your mantra because you guys are so fucking clueless.

Relative to the European population, the current influx of Muslims isn't even 0.5%.

>>8625165
We have to deal with this for two years. In 2018 we'll have our chance to fill Congress with democrats and stymie any further legislation. And of course we can fire his ass in 2020.

If shit gets really bad we can always initiate a coup and depose him but we're gonna need a lot of people who are willing to be potentially arrested or killed. I figure if we can get a mob of at least a few hundred we can storm the white house and overcome secret service and the local law enforcement. Has to be done quick though before national guard and military gets involved. Additionally Pence and as many others as possible in the chain of command need to be taken out as well.

>>8626577
Okay buddy.

>>8626525
Sure some will inevitably leave, but many of them will come back at some point for sure. Either way, much of the research conducted in many European countries gets funded and shared someway-somehow by the American government.

Either way, America will still offer the top scientists in the world the best incentives to work on the most advanced projects in the world. You and your friends just aren't top scientists.

>>8626569
>scientists warn against fossil fuel use due to inevitable refugees from climate change
>fuck scientists they don't know shit, DRILL BABY DRILL FULL SPEED AHEAD CHOO CHOOOO!
>refugees because of climate change, as predicted
>wtf scientists are always wrong climate change is a hoax we need to burn more fossil fuels because we've got all these new refugees we're scared of
Meanwhile in our so called ivory towers you guys are always talking about, scientists are just shaking their heads wondering why they even bother.

>>8626583
The white population in Europe is declining and aging
While the muslim/black population is skyrocketting through both immigration & high birth rates(government funded)

The elites in europe want to see europeans ethnically cleansed. They want national sovereignty to be abolished.

Millions arrived just fucking last year, projections from 2011 are irrelevant

>>8626562
True, one of the few potentially good things that could come out of a Trump presidency is a renewed interest in nuclear power.

The only thing worse than Trump voters are those who didn't vote at all. Please, end your life.

>>8626592
>due to inevitable refugees from climate change
????
Africa went from a population of 200 million to 1.2 billion since WW2
The european governments ADVERTISE TO THEM IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES that they should come to europe
They organize with marxist organizations to import them to europe

Literally none of them are refugees under any definition of it
Least of all fucking climate change

>>8626593
Keep ignoring the facts and go on a wild rant instead, like you always do when confronted with reality.

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What do you think Musk was thinking here, /sci/?

>>8626600
>The european governments ADVERTISE TO THEM IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES that they should come to europe

It's funny things /pol/tards believe.

>>8626600
>Africa went from a population of 200 million to 1.2 billion since WW2
Must be uncomfortable with all those numbers up your ass, I can see why you'd pull them out.

>>8626562
This. Government spending is going to sky-rocket and so will the quality of America's infrastructure. Who knows? Trump might say fuck it, get Elon Musk on the line, and tell him to build that meme tube from New York to Los Angeles.

>>8626562
wowitsfuckingnothing.jpg

That bill doesn't do shit. Trump won't do shit for clean energy. And your point doesn't do shit to counter the OP. Fuck off.

source: family member on board of TVA

>>8626607
This is reality
ships from European countries sit 20 miles off the coast of libya waiting for the "refugees" to meet them, then they bring them to Italy

This has been happening for 2 years now

>>8626602
You are the one ignoring facts, total demographic numbers are irrelevant, elderly whites can't fight a race war
Notice how they said ESTIMATED population of muslims, none of them know any actual numbers, and are low balling it.

>>8626623
Literally the only thing stopping nuclear power is endless environmental studies
Trump has just signed an executive order to expedite them in regards to pipelines
He'll get around to nuclear power eventually

>>8626625
>You are the one ignoring facts
>total demographic numbers are irrelevant
The irony is unbelievable. I'm done with this retarded conversation.

>>8626623
Can't wait for Trump to put your family member out of a job, and then speed up the process of building new nuclear power facilities even quicker than what was proposed.

>>8626636
Have you ever seen a population pyramid before?

What is hard to understand?

Europe has existed for thousands of years, now its being colonized and destroyed in a generation
At least that's what the leftists want to happen, they won't succeed.

>>8626636
>Arguing with a /pol/tard is like playing chess with Pigeon, no matter what moves you pull out, the pigeon will just shit on the board and strut around like it won.

Or something like that.

>>8626637
For the record, the TVA built the first nuclear plant in America in the last twenty years just a year or two ago.

Please, post yfw you realize the fucking TVA, a federally owned corporation, is more efficient and forward-thinking than muh private energy firms.

>>8625380
It's impressive how each sentence of your post managed to be dumber than the previous one

>>8626647
Only because private energy firms have to jump through forty million regulatory hoops to build a fucking nuclear plant.

I'm from Iowa, we've only got a Gen II plant down in Palo, but it's provided over 15% of the state's power for decades (it's taken us 20 years to get our state's wind farms anywhere close to that)

Mid-American was going to build a new Gen IV plant about ten years ago. It would have doubled or even tripled our state's nuclear power capacity and let our state cut it's coal use in half, but all the bureaucratic red tape and bullshit liberal hippie roadblocks killed the project.

>>8626647
When did I speak of anything regarding privatization of the sector? I was just pointing out how it seems that the board members and family of the TVA seem to be losers who bathe in pessimism.

Nobody in the TVA has a crystal ball to indicate whether or not this current administration is going to lay the foundation to over-haul our energy sector by building and retrofitting new nuclear facilities.

This is a bipartisan issue, and Obama couldn't get much done because the Republicans wanted to take the credit for it. It's the sad truth, but it is certainly a fact.

>>8625514
>Russians aren't human
I can't wait for Cold War II: democrat edition

>>8626647
Typical libcuck garbage. You don't think that might have something to do with the absurd regulations on nuclear power? The feds pile on so much red tape that the private sector can't do anything, then when the feds make the tiniest move imaginable they sit back and claim victory. As if winning a race where you cut off all the other runners' legs is somehow an accomplishment.

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Why are /pol/tards so insufferable?

>>8626682
Because libcucks like you can't handle the truth.

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>>8626684
>I know, to prove I'm not an insufferable faggot I will call anyone who disagrees with me a 'libcuck', this won't prove his point at all!

>>8626689
> implying you ever had a point

>>8626682
Fuck you faggot

/pol/ + /sci/ master race here

>>8626682
They have a rarely seen blend of obnoxiousness and arrogance. Worse still the idea of being magnanimous is something completely alien to them. A while back now there was a literal schizophrenic who posted on /sci/ (he thought there were faces in, rocks faces) and even he made better threads, and was better at engaging with his opposition than you average /pol/tard.

>>8626694
my point is it's really obvious you're from /pol/ and you should go back

here's a link to assist you:
>>>/pol/

>>8625261
> Industry work 90% of the time is only focused on minor shit like how can we increase battery life for our phones.
Academia 90% of the time is only focused on minor shit that will never find application anywhere

>>8626701
the irony of that post is palpable.

>>8626702
>really obvious
Who are you trying to fool SJWtard ? You are globally hated and nobody wants your accusation filled shitposts here.

Get the fuck out and don't come back. You are not invited or welcome here.
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

>>8626726
Oh look, it's this butthurt retard again

>>>/pol/

>>8625165

GRAVY TRAIN IS SCREECHING TO A HALT

>>8626742
No welfare check for you
>>>/r/eddir

>>8626721
>understanding the rules by which our universe operates isn't an intrinsically righteous and valuable pursuit

you do not belong on /sci/, babybrain

>>8626699
KEK confirms with sexy dubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5M1qtN62yk

>>8626749
>>>/pol/

>>8626749
>claims science advocates are globally hated

>science and science advocates are globally celebrated
>drumpf and his entire administration are legitimately globally hated

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

>>8625242
>implying most people can live without the comfort of U.S capitalism
Seriously unless shit really hits the fan the U.S is way too convient for most people.

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>>8626768
>globally
>CNN now defines what the world thinks

I guess thats why the majority voted for Trump and you are the eternal losers, deluding yourself to ease your butthurt :^)

>>8626782
>he thinks the US is the only comfortable capitalist country
retarded American.

>>8626784
It's time to leave, child

>>>/pol/

>>8626792
>SJWtard trying to dictate where /sci/tizens should go
The reason why there is no /sjw/tard board because nobody wants your existence on this earth.

Although feel free to check out >>>/trash/ Its where you belong.

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>>8626784
This has to be bait...

If you are serious I encourage you to explore the opinions of international leaders (other than Putin) and their viewpoints towards drumpf.

>oh look, Putin describes your brain, masculinity, and your penis in one image
>har
>dee
>har

>har

>>8626798
>>>/pol/

Go

>this one dedicated loser Trumposting

Damn son.

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>>8626786
Name a few then anon.

I'm not saying there aren't but most people are too use to their cushy America.

This is a bit off topic but
>went on a trip to panama for some microbe research and a couple colouages came along as well
>P I at the time was vegetarian
>colouage only ate chicken nuggets
>mfw seeing them suffer for a month because their shit habits

>>8626799
>>8626808
>Both putin and Trump rekt SJWtards
>still trying to bark like they have a voice
as entertaining it is to see you drown in your own desperation, your friends want you back in their cesspool

>>>/r/eddit

ITT: /pol/ comes to a science board and calls science shit.
Good work today mods, you're doing a fantastic job.

>>8626822
>>>/pol/

I think you're a bot desu.

>>8626827
>climate science is science
>SJWtard still trying to call /sci/ /pol/ for not buying into their scam

yawn...

>>8626836
Explain why Venus is so hot.

>>8626838
Didn't know SJWtards failed highschool education as well. Want me to tie your shoelaces for you too ?

>>8626841
So you don't even know?

>>8626836
>>>/pol/

It's time to go home

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>/sci/
>A board of underage faggots still jerking about their GPA and which STEM majors is superior
>Knowing fuck all about politics

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>>8625165

Man! Trump is lacking in girth! His hands are just sooo small!

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>>8626856
>you
>a massive faggot who comes into drive by threads with snarky, useless comments so you can pat yourself on the back for being so much smarter than everyone
>knowing anything about anything at all

>>8626857
I bet the man combs hsi pubic hair like that too. Would look quite prestigious on his giant cock.

I suggest everyone ignore this thread until someone can explain why Venus is so hot. Getting emotional and saying >>>/pol/ only bumps a shit thread.

>>8625165
Something something libtard
[math]\iint they \iint[/math]
he is actually improving science and only fighting bad guys because stuff
fucking libtards

>>8626721
And the 10% that does is revolutionary. That's the entire point of research. Most of the time it's stuff that is interesting but not all that useful and on rare occasions, something really useful comes out of it.

>>8625389
0% unemployment is a disaster mate. Ideal is around 4%.

>>8625704
>implying the private sector ever invest in pure science

It's much better for them to simply beating dead horses than risking their precious money.
Also, I'm pretty sad for the burgers who will get their Fukishima eventually.

>>8625514
>Muh Russia!
Show us some proof that isn't MUH COLD WAR tier, thanks. :^)
>Everyone is a commie!
That's basically what you're saying, but 2017 edition.

>>8626870
Venus is hot because it has 100x the earths atmospher

>>8626623
>That bill doesn't do shit.
It could potentially remove a lot of the red tape making it difficult for private companies to invest in nuclear energy.

That's not nothing.

>>8626963

Why does it have 100x the earth's atmosphere?

>>8626975
Trump is well known for being pro-nuclear...

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>>8625165
Why does Trump remind me of the movie The Campaign ?

>>8626987
because thats what it was born with

>>8625256
>If anything, cutting all the fat and red tape means the actual amount that gets spent on research will either be unchanged or slightly better.

history disagrees with you friend-o

the republicans have claimed this every time they get into power, proceed to find someway to pocket or flat-out loot the funds, then blame the dems later on.

The Dems suck for other reasons, but the republican party has a terrible track record and i have zero faith anything has changed just because donny is technically in charge

>>8625292

who the fuck cares what about a bunch of news headlines say?

people like you, who have no ability to do research and base your outlook on how those headlines make you feel

i wish this board would just ban anyone from /pol/ and leave this a colony for people with autism. almost everyone on /pol/ is emotional women

>>8625295
shoe doesn't feel so good on the other foot does it?

>>8625307
who said we were inclusive?

doesn't your board have a big sticky on it explains to you the concept of a straw man?

>>8626032
their heads are empty and filled with the echoes from their isolated communities

if you move them off topic, all they can do is sling a bunch of memorized sound bytes and rhetoric

>>8626451
>and placing it into the hands of corporations which the administration knows and likes

ftfy

>>8626722
/sci/ might be arrogant, but we aren't obnoxious

do you see threads on /pol/ going

/SCI/ HERE, /POL/ BTFO

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>>8627183
>/SCI/ Here
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Look at """sci""" right there.

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