I just failed quals

>>8603388
Damn that sounds rough. What program was this? Sounds very hard and elite. For my comps I just had to present a paper.

>>8603388

I thought there was some sort of "grace period"? Don't you have 4 months to find a job? Can't you try to get some sort of work visa?

Get married

>>8603388
Hello. My name is Simon.

What would you like me to do for you? I am both able and willing. Euclid/2

>>8603397
Just a standard PhD math program, as far as I can tell. Big school in the Southeast.
>>8603398
Looks like I have 60 days after the end date on my visa (currently May 2020), but I expect that to change very shortly, since they're kicking me out in May 2017 right now.
Can I even get a job, legally? I heard that companies can sponsor work visas, but they're incredibly rare. I don't think I have the financial security to apply on my own.

>>8603402
Considered it. My parents are heavily against this option. And the government is also against marrying just to stay in the country. I mean, we were planning on getting married EVENTUALLY, just not this soon.
>>8603404
Hi Simon. I don't really want you to do anything for me. I guess I just needed someone to rant to, and maybe have someone to talk to. I'm not taking this well.
Thanks for just being here.

>>8603417
But you are suffering. I wish to remove suffering.

Would you let me remove your suffering?

You can remain where you are. I do not deny you choice or free will.

Only truth.

>>8603420
I'm not nearly high/drunk enough for this.
The biggest problem I'm having is that many of the schools I'd like to apply to have already passed their deadlines. Another group have deadlines TODAY. There's no way I could scrounge up multiple reference letters and the rest of shit for an application today.
That leaves me with a handful of less prestigious programs.
I just feel lost. Like I don't know where to go from here.

>>8603420
I can teach others to find what is broken, and those to heal you.

Is that a path you would like to walk?

>>8603411
>e I have 60 days after the end date on my visa (currently May 2020), but I expect that to change very shortly, since they're kicking me out in May 2017 right now.
>Can I even get a job, legally? I heard that companies can sponsor work visas, but they're incredibly rare. I don't think I have the financial security to apply on my own.

Sorry, I don't know the details. I just know that most of my peers had some time to find some work after graduating.


I assumed that, even though you are getting kicked out of your PhD program, you would still be graduating with a Masters so probably had some time before having to find a job or leave the country.


If I were you, I would talk to a specialist from my university and investigate how long it would take to obtain a work visa and how long would I be able to use my current visa.

Not much, but maybe this might be a starting point:

http://www.internationalstudent.com/study_usa/graduation/visa-options/

>>8603456
Thanks for the link; I'll check it out.
I've already tried to get in touch with the International Student Services and will be talking with them next week, presumably.
See if there's a better option than "just marry her" in regards to keeping a job.
Honestly, I feel way over my head. US laws are a bitch to navigate. So many forms.

>>8603469
> US laws are a bitch to navigate.

I feel you. Paper work (especially gov. related) is my Kryptonite.

The other crappy thing is that the US gov. is very, very slow to process paper work (probably due to underfunding).

My gf is also on a student visa, and she has had to deal with all sorts of dumb problems because of slow/bad processing.

Dude Fuck your parents and get married. Don't be a bitch you're already engaged.

>>8603506
Let's play this out.
I get married, get a greencard, get a job.
Then what?
Work my way up from a position with a Master's degree?
Try again to get my PhD?
Why not skip the middle man and try again right away?

>>8603388
>They're kicking me out of the program at the end of the year, with a Master's degree
i wish i were that lucky, but my department doesn't even have qualifying exams only a prelim defense and a final defense.

>>8603513
>Why not skip the middle man and try again right away?

If you can try again right away then what is the point of this thread? You don't really have a problem then.

>>8603546
This.

Getting married and getting a job might actually work out better for you anyways. I would go that route if your fiancee is down.

I'm not that guy but I totally agree, fuck your parents. It's not their business to be telling you how to live your life. Besides, if you want to give your wife the wedding she's always dreamed of then maybe you should have a small legal wedding now and then a big wedding through the church later on.

The government will want some evidence that the marriage is in good faith but this should be no problem for you because it actually is in good faith.

>>8603544
Sounds like less work.
I have two quals, then three comps (that I won't get to do here), then a thesis defense.
>>8603546
I think I'm confusing topics. I can't try again at my current school. By try again, I mean apply at another school, and see if I still can't get my PhD there. I WISH I could just take quals again here; it would save a lot of work, and I wouldn't have any difficult decisions.

If I got a job, I don't know where I'd go from there. Without a PhD, I'm not going to become a professor, never going to work in a national lab, won't be able to do research.
What can I do with a Master's in math?

A master's degree is a very good way to start your career. If you start now, you should easily be able to find a job before you are kicked out and can probably get a work visa.

Why are you so set on getting a PhD in the first place? And now the stuff you don't want to her: Do you really think this analysis test was going to be the hardest thing you have to face in your program? Now remember that you failed that TWICE and you knew exactly what was going to happen then, so maybe just maybe your chances of successfully completing that PhD were pretty slim in the first place. Just saying.

>>8603562
if you can't even pass your qualifying exam chances are that you never were going to be a professor or work in a national lab.

>>8603562
I hear that being a professor is kind of shitty work. A large portion of your time gets eaten up by begging for grants and teaching. Not to mention there's a lot of shitty politics involved and unless you're well connected and or have really great research (+grants) then you're unlikely to land tenure and will be out on your ass trying to start a whole new career in your forties.

Or at least that's what I hear.

>>8603599
>>8603607
these anons are right

Do you have H1B or F1?

>>8603599
>if you can't even pass your qualifying exam chances are that you never were going to be a professor or work in a national lab.

That's a load of crap. You sound like a weak human being.

1st year math grad student taking the exam this summer.

I can't tell you what to do but I can tell you my plan. I'm a masters student who don't want to spend another year being masters. If I can't get funding + stipend after taking the exam then chances are I'm out. My plan is to work for a few years, study if possible, and then apply again if I felt like it. If I can't pass the exam then I'm not good enough at math to do it, no excuses, and becoming good takes time. I want to become a professor like you too.

btw if your parents heavily objects to your engagement then they probably have a very good reason to do so. You better make sure you absolutely understand why before telling them to fuck off

>>8603388
Have you ever had the thought that maybe you just don't deserve it? That you lack talent? That you had your chance and blew it and nobody else but yourself is to blame for it? Because you need to grow some balls and face your failure, not trying to find loop holes.

>I'd also have to leave my fiancee for at least a year and that would suck bad.
>we were planning on getting married EVENTUALLY, just not this soon
Marrying in a semi-legal status with very unsure economical positions for both of you will ruin your marriage. Your parents are probably against it because the know that it will fuck your over. If the marriage breaks (and now you should have learned the hard way always to learn for failure) then you have neither wife nor family. Is a year less of getting your dick wet worth risking to alienate your own family?

>>8603388
I skimmed through all this and desu bro why do you need a Phd? I mean honestly you're already ahead of the curb then most people when it comes to education. I would just get a job and start building assets and work on my financial security. Fuck school dude you're already good. You've proved yourself.

>>8603388
student visas should only go to exceptional people anyways

>>8603755
> they probably have a very good reason to do so
nice meme

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>>8603755
> btw if your parents heavily objects to your engagement then they probably have a very good reason to do so.

probably just asian parents that don't want their son racemixing 2bh

>>8603388
have some relaxing music anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUYvN_nhL2U

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>>8604108
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUYvN_nhL2U

If you find this relaxing you should kill yourself immediately, because you are a threat to human kind.

>>8603430

find a job and after 4 months you apply to those places you would like to?

are you an old dude or what?
why so hasty with getting a PhD?

>>8603607

the memes have corrupted your thoughts

>>8603430
Why are you so hard for getting a PHD?

You can find plenty of really great jobs with a masters degree.

>>8604017

>implying people otherwise won't contribute to society

>>8603388
>a Master's Pass this time,
>which is no better than a fail
It's actually a helluva lot better than a fail.
Accept it with grace, and move on.

>>8603999
True adv right here.

>>8603388
>barely failing
>failing
>A weakness, especially in character; a shortcoming.
come on, now. it's time to go home.

>>8603798
yeah but op doesnt want to face the reality of his situation, so delet this

In europe you can't get a phd without masters. What I did was apply for a masters degree and then apply to be an asistent at a really shitty university. If you have good grades and some papers under your belt they'll gladly take you in. This is good experience for when you want to transfer to a bigger uni. Just make sure to say you quit your phd on your own because you needed a masters degree so you could get a job since you want to start a family and that you'll be starting another phd soon.

>>8603388
>gets a job in a restaurant.
>don't need math to write java applets

OP here (computer restarted, so 4chan might not say it's me).
Phew! Lots of posts since I went to bed.
I'm glad to have slept on it, and I think I know what I'm going to do.
I'd like to respond to many of you.

>>8603573
What can I do with a Master's degree? Genuinely curious. I've never even considered getting a Master's degree before, except as a stepping stone to PhD. I've wanted a PhD ever since I was a kid. 10 year old me made a prayer flag, saying I wanted a PhD from Harvard and MIT. Obviously that didn't happen, but the drive is still there.
And yes, considering that I never even took an analysis course, I expect it would have been the hardest thing. My comps next year would have been in the topics of my choosing, and I'm actually pretty good at research and paper writing. Just haven't had a chance to do it at this institution.
I've never been good at analysis, which is why I didn't go into it. I'm on the Applied and Computational track, so it seems ridiculous that I'm getting kicked out for failing analysis.

>>8603599
I passed the computational qualifying exam, which is what I want to go into.

>>8603607
Granted, but I'd like to at least have the option. I've been teaching here for two semesters now (precalculus) and I'm actually really good at it.

>>8603633
Which part?

>>8603680
F1

>>8603755
Go for it! Having a Master's should make it easier, since you've already seen some of this stuff before. I came right from undergrad and was blindsided, I guess
By the way, my parents say "Mom and I have said you get your education THEN get married for a reason – that is to keep your focus on your education till it is complete."
They've also said that since we have different priorities (me school, her job) we should put it off.

>>8603798
Oh, I've never had talent in analysis. I studied my ass off this summer and winter to just pass this exam, then never use it again. But it wasn't enough. I think it's ridiculous that THAT is what I'm being kicked out for, though.

>>8603999
Nice Trips.
I've wanted a PhD for as long as I can remember. Maybe I'm just scared of getting a job. But education has been such a big part of me since forever. I was top of my class in high school. Top of my class again in undergrad. Now I'm bottom-to-middle of the pack in grad school and it fucking hurt. It hurt for a year and a half until I realized I didn't have to be the BEST. I just had to PASS. And I couldn't even do that.
Issue is, I've never even considered what I'd do with myself without a PhD. What jobs can a Master's math student do?
An international one at that?

>>8604017
Until this year, I WAS exceptional. Like I've said, top of my class high school. Top of my class undergrad. Even nominated for awards in grad school for my computational and applied classes. But I can't do analysis, since I just suck at it apparently. Never took it in undergrad. Does that make me no longer worthy to be in this country? I don't think so. The government apparently disagrees.

>>8604108
I've already said why they don't want me to get married YET. BTW I'm Canadian, and have been living in the US for 6 years. Hardly the immigrant you might have imagined, but still subject to all the laws and restrictions.

>>8604121
I've always kind of liked the idea that I could (reasonably) have my PhD by the time I'm 25. Then I could go ahead and get started with my life, without entering the work force as an old man.
Are you suggesting I get a job then go back to school? I'm a little confused by your comment.

>>8604137
Name a few?

>>8604192
Sure, it means more on paper. I did better, just not good enough. Still getting kicked out. Still failing (as opposed to passing).

>>8604219
???

>>8604242
It's the same in Canada. When I learned that I could get my PhD right away here, I jumped at the opportunity.

>>8604328
The horror.

Thanks for all the advice everybody. I'm planning on applying for the PhD program at similar level/slightly lower schools that aren't TOO far away. Might be separated from my fiancee for a year. I can handle it. Don't know if she can.

If nothing works out, I'll try to get a job. See if I can legally stay in the country. Get married as a last resort. Make some money for a few years, then if I still want it, apply for a PhD down the line.

>>8604656
what school were you at? don't be coy about it, it's not like naming the school will allow you to get doxed. i'm just curious how it's ranked.

what did you have trouble with? a whole summer should be plenty of time

>>8604672
USC
Carolina, not California.
Not like it's top 10 or anything, but certainly not unknown, either.

>>8604674
The summer, my biggest trouble was time management. I went on one too many trips, didn't go to enough study sessions, and didn't really know HOW to study.
2nd time around, I knew what to expect and I committed to it. Went home for winter, but didn't go on vacation, didn't go out to parties. I sat at home and actually studied. Quite frankly, I'm surprised I didn't get it the 2nd time.

>>8604656

I don't get it. Why not move to Canada with your fiancee? At least temporarily.

Btw, shit man, if a top Canadian student like you struggle like this, what will become for the rest of us?

How did the tests compare to UCLA's?

https://secure.math.ucla.edu/gradquals/hbquals.php

>>8604871
that's not exactly what i imagined when you said reasonably well-known school. it's surprising that they are that strict in terms of testing their grad students. hell, my school seems to be higher ranked in all the science grad programs than yours, in some even far better ranked, and i'm the guy that said we only have a prelim and final defense.

Ah the US, where we throw out people with Masters degrees and import thousands of savage arabs
Really quite a comical way for a civilization to commit suicide

>>8604871
Why is analysis so hard for you? Ive always found it trivial to do, its at its most basic just about learning to recognize patterns and discuss them in detail. You should spend some time getting rid of yhis whole "i suck at analysis" mindset. Go find some data pn something that interests you and analyze that shot. Find concordances, similarities, try to look deeply into data and find beauty.

>>8604920

He's most likely didn't do a math undergrad.

>>8604897
She has two job offers here, and if she stays in state, her student loans will be paid off entirely. If she moves out of state (or country) she has to deal with them on her own.
That's what people are always telling me. When I didn't get accepted into a few grad schools (Duke/Caltech) people at my school were freaking out. But it should be easy to get into lower ranked schools.

>>8604902
Looked at a few of them. Weird format. We only had Analysis, Computational, and Algebra. Analysis was mandatory, and we got to pick from the other two. I notice you guys have a lot more. How many of them do you actually have to do?
Also, we don't have any "pick 4 problems" bullshit. You're just given paper and 10 problems.
Now, I've never been very good at telling if analysis tests were easy or hard. Sometimes I'd think they were easy then bomb. Other times, I struggled, but did well. There's some differences in content. Ours were primarily based on "From Real to Complex Analysis" by Dyer and Edmunds, and "Introduction to Measure Theory" by Tao. I'm also noticing some differences in notation, so some problems are a little tricky to read.

>>8604912
Are you in a math program? You don't have qualifying exams then comprehensive exams first?

>>8604920
Probably because I'd never taken it before grad school. In fact, I was the only one in my class who didn't take analysis as an undergrad. So that put me pretty far behind everybody else. I was ready Baby Rudin first semester to try and catch up. Ended up with a B in that class.

I'm not trying to say there's no way I can do analysis. In fact, just a week and a bit ago, I was more confident with my analysis abilities that I had ever been. I say I suck, because empirically, that's what I'm getting told. Failing quals. Getting better at it. Failing again (well, Master's passing). I'd love to say I'm great at it, but then again, I'd love to say that I'm continuing in the program.
Maybe I just have too much autismo.

>>8604925
I did. Math and CS, actually.
Just never took analysis. It was at a small liberal arts college, and analysis was only offered first semester or sophomore year and I wasn't ready for it yet.
When senior year rolled around, there weren't enough math majors to offer the course again.

>>8604945
jesus, no analysis in undergrad. so what did you do in undergrad? because that means no complex analysis either, no geometry, no DEs, likely no topology either...

no surprise you failed, you weren't prepared

>>8604948
did you take a single math class even?

>>8604951
>>8604962
Lol, not quite.
I took:
Calc I, II, III
Discrete Structures
Intro to Stataistics
Linear Algebra
Differential Equatoins
Point Set Topology
Abstract Algebra
Computational Methods
Intro to Complex Variables
3 semesters of seminar
Audited Topics in Geometry and History of Math
and 1 semester research/dean's commendation project.

>>8605009
and an entire computer science major at the same time.

>>8605009
your calc 1, 2, 3, "differential equations" and "complex variable" are all not math. you can't do any of these without analysis, unless they're plug and chug classes for engineers. that leaves, classified by me:

--Babby light-math subjects that CS students take (i.e. not math)--
Discrete Structures
Intro to Statistics

-- Unknown (please clarify by saying which book you used, these might be the real deal or shitty meme subjects)--
Linear Algebra
Point Set Topology
Abstract Algebra
Computational Methods

-- Unknown (for a different reason, what does this even mean? what did you do a project in?) --
3 semesters of seminar
Audited Topics in Geometry and History of Math
and 1 semester research/dean's commendation project.

>>8605019
Phew: from the top.

List of Advanced Mathematics Courses:
Point Set Topology – Topology, by James R. Munkres and General Topology, by Stephen Willard. We covered the first half of Munkres, and referenced Willard.

Abstract Algebra – Contemporary Abstract Algebra, by Joseph A. Gallian. We only used the textbook for reference.

Topics in Geometry (Audit) – Geometry by Its History, by Alexander Ostermann and Gerhard Wanner, and Euclidian Geometry: A Guided Inquiry Approach, by David M. Clark. Covered all of Ostermann in lecture, and used Clark for problems.

Introduction to Complex Variables – A First Course in Complex Analysis, by Matthias Beck, Gerald Marchesi, Dennis Pixton, and Lucas Sabalka. We read the textbook on our own, and brought questions to class. Basically complex analysis up to Residue Theorem.

I have completed three units of Seminar: independent research projects in topics not usually covered in the mathematics curriculum. I have researched Fourier Analysis (referencing Fourier Analysis: An Introduction, by Elias M. Stein and Rami Shakarchi, where I read the first 4 chapters) and Large Numbers, and completing a third (and final) Seminar on Algebraic Topology, referencing sections of Munkres "Topology" and Massey's "A Basic Course in Algebraic Topology"

I completed a Dean’s Commendation project – a capstone project where a student completes a substantial project demanding rigorous effort. I have constructed a 3D printer, and printed a variety of mathematical surfaces, which I designed and rendered myself. I graduated with “Dean’s Commendations,” one of the college’s highest academic honours.

get married so you can stay
apply to another school and don't fuck up

pretty simple man

take another job in the meantime if you have to

>>8604637
>OP here (computer restarted, so 4chan might not say it's me).
I now have serious doubts about your computer science capabilities, anon.

>>8605146
please don't call these "advanced mathematics", there are introductory, undergraduate level classes. anyway:

Algebra: Simple book, with enough content for a first class. That's fine. I assume the linear algebra you did was along the same lines - an ok-ish book.

Complex Analysis: Much better than I expected (I expected 100% shit), it's surprising that someone would write a book dedicated to people who want to do complex analysis but know nothing from analysis anyway. Has big shortcomings: everything from real analysis is just assumed to be true, important theorems are only sketched (no discussion on homotopy, green's theorem and differential forms), etc. Still, it's fine for an undergrad class.

Topology: Munkres is fine, that's a good class. It's good to see you then did some algebraic topology.

I don't believe you did meaningful work in Fourier Analysis if you didn't know any real analysis, same for geometry, where that and the title makes me think it's a meme class. Your dean project isn't really math.

In general this is a very lacking math program (no real analysis and a botched complex analysis as a consequence, a single class in algebra, only topology was ok), and is a big reason why you eventually failed. Just so you have a point to compare, I graduate in july from a university which isn't remotely top, and I have taken (after cutting the bullshit like I did first with your classes) 5 analysis classes (3 real, 1 complex, 1 special topic), 5 algebra classes (linear, groups&rings, galois, commutative, algebraic geom), a differential geometry class, a topology class, DEs, PDEs, linear optimization, probability, and I still feel like I'm ill-suited to start a PhD program right now (even after taking one more geometry, one more topology, one more algebra and one more complex analysis next semester) because I feel like I have holes by not knowing functional or measure theory

>>8605394
Don't worry friend -- functional analysis is just linear algebra 2.0 and if you've done probability theory, just read through Williams' "Probability with Martingales".

>>8605455
oh sure, I don't really worry about it - it's a matter of sitting down and reading the right books
but there's limited time, and I decided I wanted more time to round up my education before going there

>>8605284
Seems like that's the plan.

>>8605344
Why? My computer restarted. If you would like to know why, it's because I had a kernel panic. I don't see what that has to do with my programming ability, or your assumed lack thereof.

>>8605394
They were advanced for me. Or at least, the most advanced my school offered. Like I said, small liberal arts college. I didn't have the same opportunities someone like you had there.
For contrast, someone who graduated from the same school two years before (also top of the class, incidentally) went on to the same school I'm at now, passed quals, and is in fact doing research under the professor who failed me.
He took the analysis course I didn't take my sophomore year.

>>8603388
try getting a OPT kinna expensive to apply for but worth it as it could buy you some time https://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa-guide/f-1-opt-optional-practical-training/f-1-optional-practical-training-opt
you welcome

>>8605606
>Why? My computer restarted. If you would like to know why, it's because I had a kernel panic. I don't see what that has to do with my programming ability, or your assumed lack thereof.
Wow, it's hard to even decide where to start.

1) I was originally referring to the fact that 4chan identifies the OP based on your external IP address and that would not be affected by your computer unless your computer is a modem connected directly to the internet on a dynamic IP connection (protip: it's not).
2) Kernel panics don't just happen. Something is broken, fix it.
3) Computer Science programs don't teach you to program. That's what software engineering programs are for. In CS one learns how a computer works (hardware and software), how computer languages work, what sorts of things a computer is capable of, and how to calculate the efficiency of said things. This is typically expanded on by a concentration into some area of computer science such as Infosec, networking, database theory, cryptography, programming language theory (category theory, type theory, etc..), computer graphics theory, computer algebra theory, computational geometry, etc...

Have you spoken to your fiancée about this? If not don't get married it won't work out.

>>8604654
They are doing you a favor, PhDs are worthless, you still have some good years left to get a real career.

>>8605692
cs is algorithms everything else is a meme

>>8603388
>I guess I should switch to Computer Science (my undergrad was CS/Math double major) but I haven't done any programming in nearly 2 years, and I don't know if I'm up for that. I guess I could try again and apply at another school, but what if I blow it there? I'd also have to leave my fiancee for at least a year and that would suck bad.

CS grad student here.

We're basically just shitty math grad students. I almost never program. I know some people who literally can't program.

>>8605732
Literally retarded.

>>8605692
Don't know why; also don't really care. If you're that upset about it, you fix it.
My computer science program didn't really teach me anything at all. I already knew how to program. That's the problem with small liberal arts colleges. There was one CS teacher, and he was shit. So my CS education was shit.

>>8605701
She's the one who suggested it. I was in favour of waiting.

>>8605780
This gives me hope.

>>8605783
Same.

>>8605692
Oh yeah, ever since the restart, half of the replies are to OP (me) and the other half are to "You" (still the OP).
I didn't want people to think I hijacked someones thread.

>>8603388
>I'm engaged to a US Citizen, who just received two job offers close to where we're living now. I don't want to leave her, and she has to stay in the state to get her student loans paid off.
Since you're engaged, just marry her early and apply for citizenship that way.
Google it up Scottie!
I didn't read anything below. Everything I said up to this point was from research for my own situation that is somewhat similar.

https://iss.washington.edu/marrying-citizen
>I have married a U.S. citizen and want to stay in the U.S. What should I do now?
>You have the option of becoming a U.S. permanent resident (getting your "green card"). The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has excellent information on their website. We suggest that you read the following pages:
>https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-family

I didn't read the rest of the thread, I hope this is helpful OP. I'm kind of in a similar situation.

Also, I am fucking surprised you didn't get into a PhD program. Go into CS. Better job prospects and better pay. Of course, maybe you enjoy research more than money, but, money is a good place to settle in my opinion.

Good luck OP.

>>8606129
Yep, you definitely didn't read the thread.
Thanks for the links though. I'll look into it.

>>8606143
Cool, glad you got the message. I really hope everything works out senpai

>>8606143
you sound like a real cunt, i hope you do get deported

>>8606239
Thanks bro.
And thanks to all the nice people here (yourself not included) I probably won't be :)

>>8603388
FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL

>>8606115
>She's the one who suggested it. I was in favour of waiting.
Wait, hold the phone. Your fiancée asked you to marry her and you turned her down because of your parents??

Forget grad school, anon, drop out of life.