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how do you actually prove this?

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how do you actually prove this?
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>>8535862
Induction.
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>>8535868
but where do you start your induction? do you associate the product of two sums of squares and just multiple them together?
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also quintics are terrifying. i don't know nearly enough math to touch this topic.
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>>8535862
You prove that sum[i=1..n]f(i)=g(n) by showing that the difference g(n)-g(n-1)=f(n).

sum[i=1..n]f(i) = g(n)
=> sum[i=1..n-1]f(i) = g(n-1)
=> g(n)-g(n-1) = sum[i=1..n]f(i) - sum[i=1..n-1]f(i)
= f(n)

If you need to /find/ the expression for the sum of a polynomial, you start with the fact that (n+1)^k-n^k =
(n^k+k.n^(k-1)+...)-n^k = k.n^(k-1)+..., i.e. the highest-degree terms will always cancel so the sum will be a polynomial of degree one higher than the individual terms.

Then it's just a matter of expanding out g(n)-g(n-1)=f(n) where g(n) is the generic degree-k+1 polynomial, equating coefficients, and solving the resulting system of linear equations.
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>>8535862
this is trivial by just using the same step 5 times, then simplify:
induction, let n= n+1:
n(1+n)(1+2n)(-1+3n+3n^2) -> (n+1)(1+n+1)(1+2(n+1))(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)
=n(1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + (1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2))
=n(1+n)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + n(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + (1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2))
=n(1+n)(1+2n)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + n(1+n)(2)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2))+ n(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + (1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2))
=n(1+n)(1+2n)(-1+3n+3(n+1)^2)) + n(1+n)(2)(3)+ n(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + (1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2))
=n(1+n)(1+2n)(-1+3n+3n^2)) +n(1+n)(1+2n)(-1+3n+3(2n+1))) + n(1+n)(2)(3)+ n(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + (1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2))

then simplify
n(1+n)(1+2n)(-1+3n+3(2n+1))) + n(1+n)(2)(3)+ n(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) + (1+n+1)(1+2(n+1)(-1+3(n+1)+3(n+1)^2)) = 30(n+1)^4

QED

probably made some mistake in there somewhere wit the brackets, but the steps are correct.
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look for a 5th degree polynomial P(x) such that
P(0)=0
P(1)=1
P(2) = 1+2^4
...
P(5) = 1+2^4 + 3^4 +4^4+5^4
. this uniquely defines the polynomial.
now check by induction
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>>8536069
ehhh bit sloppy saying let n=n+1 and not including a base case.

but essentially this is right. just show that it holds when n=1 and when it holds for some n then it will hold for n+1

i.e. 1/30n(1+n)(1+2n)(3n^2+3n-1)+(n+1)^4=1/30(n+1)(1+n+1)(1+2(n+1))(3(n+1)^2+3(n+1)-1)

if you didnt know the equation in the first place then you'd give it the general solution an^5+bn^4+cn^3+dn^2+en (+f but f=0 by plugging in n=0). get 5 equations by plugging in values and then use gaussian elimination.
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More elegantly, you can use discrete calculus. This is how the explicit formula for any sum of powers is derived.
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Find a polynomial [math]P[/math] of degree 5 such that [math]P \left( X \,+\, 1 \right) \,-\, P \left( X \right) \,=\, X^4[/math] (hint: the constant coefficient doesn't matter). Once you find it, check if [math]P \left( X \,+\, 1 \right) \,-\, P \left( X \right) \,=\, X^4[/math] (otherwise you'll have to check the final result by induction which is the most retarded idea ever).
Sum [math]\sum_{n \,=\, 1}^n \left[ P \left(k \,+\, 1 \right) \,-\, P \left( k \right) \right][/math] as a telescopic sum.
Factorize your shit.
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>>8535862
Define
[math] P_j(n)=\sum_{k=1}^n k^j [/math]

and
[math] S(t)=\sum_{j=0}^{\infty} t^jP_j(n)/j![/math]

Then
[math]S(t)=\sum_{k=1}^n\sum_{j=0}^{\infty} (tk)^j/j![/math]

[math]\sum_{k=1}^n e^{tk}={\frac {1-e^{tn}}{e^{-t}-1}}[/math]

To find P_4(n), simply extract the coefficient of t^4 in the corresponding Taylor series

In other words

[math] P_4(n)=({\frac {d^4} {dt^4}}\mid_{t=0}){\frac {1-e^{tn}}{e^{-t}-1}} [/math]

you can verify that this gives you the formula in the pic using wolfram alpha
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>>8535862
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulhaber%27s_formula
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>>8537659
Holy shit, I love this one.
Here is one more:
Expand
[math] (k+1)^5-k^5[/math]
and sum from k=1 to k=n. As long as you know the formula for exponents k=1,2,3 (which you find with similar method) you're set.
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>>8537978
And here's another:
Look at this formula:
[math]\sum_k=4^n\binom{n}{4}=\binom{n+1}{5}[/math]
Once again once you know the formula for the exponents 1,2,3 (found with similar method) you're set.
The formula above can be proven with combinatorics:
Right hand side says choose 5 people from n+1.
On the left you count it in other way, assume you have them in list (say alphabetic). First decide the last one ([math]k=5,\dots,n+1[/math])
and choose 4 from the ones before.
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>>8537988
Fuck.
Screwed the formula
[math]\sum_{k=4}^n\binom{k}{4}=\binom{n+1}{5}[/math]
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>>8535874

It kinda varies from sum to sum. Fortunately, sums over a term like k^i where i is some integer are easy to deduce. Summing them is a lot like taking the integral, so the integral of k^n is over order k^(n+1). So, we can just write the general n+1 polynomial, and then generate enough terms to determine all the coefficients.

Then you use induction.
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