why havent routine surgeries been automated yet?

>>8532334
Why would you pay a machine thousands of dollars?

>>8532347
because it has a lot of debt to pay off
it costs a lot of money to get built these days

This will be one of the last things to be automated.

>>8532365
I kind of doubt that, actually. I think the public is just about ready. We're already talking seriously about trusting our lives to automated cars.

>>8532334
robots suck at manipulating things. Robots suck a lot at manipulating soft things. Robots still have trouble folding T-shirts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TsLkpPsdKo

Once we crack the problem of folding clothes, we'll be a lot closer to surgical robots

>>8532415
that was painful to watch

>>8532415
One in every home by 2022.

Don't believe me? How effective is your dishwasher?

>>8532359
Metal is silver, not black. So payments shouldn't be an issue at all.

>>8532372
It doesn't matter if people are ready for it or not the technology is simply not there. Even the most routine surgeries are far from basic. The imaging required to correctly and automatically identify all the parts while also being able to smoothly and efficiently perform the movements of the surgery is far from being a reality. At most we're looking at robotic like instruments being operated by surgeons like the one at UCLA.

the main reason top surgeons get paid so much is that it's still very much an artform
experience is everything

>>8532372
of course the public is ready, but the doctors aren't. why would doctors allow this to happen? doctors are rich as fuck and have a monopoly on keeping people alive. they'll lobby to have all kinds of "safety" regulations. after all the red tape, the machines will cost millions of dollars each, and they'll make the law so you still need to have a doctor on hand to "operate" the machine. the engineers will probably make a boatload of money off this, but it will double the cost of healthcare since normal people will be forced to pay whatever the doctors decide.

>>8532586
I don't think you understand just how much goes into even the most simple surgeries.

>>8532586
>>>reddit

>>8532415
That's shitty american built robot check out Russia/German made robots. Them fuckers are Arnold kick you front down and kill you lvl. I give them 10 years tops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci_Surgical_System

because the human body has variables and robots are still shit

but we'll get there someday

>>8532443
>How effective is your dishwasher?
Not very.

>>8532415
Dude this is so fucking cool.

Where do I go to get involved in making robots like that?

>>8532415
>someone paid millions for the R&D of this shit
>the video is sped up x3

lmao

>>8532445
That's racist

>>8532760
some fag did the same thing for some stupid constantly on computer called darpanet. lol like that's ever going to be anything amirite o/ *plays with stick & ball*

>>8532443
way more effective than robots are. Fat chance of that happening.
>>8532684
That's a Japanese robot, running software built by the British. Americans haven't made robot arms for a long time.

>>Russian robotics
is a joke
>>8532755
LONDON
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Or like pretty much any non-shitty robotics graduate program. You don't learn any of this shit in undergrad.
>>8532760
Manipulating soft objects is fucking hard. Soft objects have for the most part INFINITE degrees of freedom. It's really fucking hard to plan for that.

Also, a clothes folding robot would be worth $$$$$$$$$$$$$$s.

>>8532684
The nationality of the robot is not a factor. The software guiding its motion seems to have little to no regard for cloth dynamics and momentum. Humans spends 99% of their lives in soft cloth to gain an understanding of its motion.

>>8532415
Pretty good actually. Just a question of streamlining it.

>>8533264
Not that anon, but what you are saying is that we need to invent a technique/pattern for machine/robots to use to handle clothing that they don't have an understanding for?

Doctors are basically the last guild. They lobby hard to protect their financial interests. Mostly by protecting the scarcity of medical labor.

Industrial Revolution practices could have spilt up doctor labor into cheap specialist a long time ago.

>>8532415
Is it wrong to say I got semi-turned on by that robot folding clothes? Is that strange?

>>8532334
>>8533305
Doctors will not be removed from the surgery room even it became automated. They would be living advisers to the machinery and safeguards to ensure the machine doesn't fuck up in the slightest.

>>8533302
one problem with cloth is that the object can deform to any shape
a "shirt" can be twisted up and inside out and in the shape of a sphere, for example
and a "pants" can also be twisted up and inside out and in the shape of a sphere
but spherified pants and shirts are supposed to come out folded differently in the end

>>8533309
So why not program the machine to recognize all the finite shapes (or close enough) shirts, pants, can into and put in one type of folded forms the machine is suppose put them into?

>>8533308
Anon, this is fucking awesome, you should be very aroused
>>8533313
Good fucking luck with that
>>8533299
Our algorithms still need to improve

>>8533313
when you look at a sphere how can you tell it's a "pants" or a "shirt"? it's not an easy problem to solve
basically you pick it up and fuck with it until it transforms into a more easily recognizable shape

and then you have the issue of trying to get the computer to recognize something that "looks kind of like a 'shirt' but could still be a 'dress'" and every other possibility

>>8532415

I cringed

>>8532334
because there is no such thing as a routine surgery.

>>8532760
>not wanting a robot waifu to do your chores for you while you sit in your room jacking off all day

>automated surgery
>cutting out a tumor
>machine opens up site
>can't recognize tumor has spread beyond parameters
>ends up dipping blade into tumor and cutting healthy tissue
>spreads cancer even further

vs

>physician recognizes tumor
>widens operation area
>removes complete tumor without incident

Every body is different and standardizing surgeries is gonna result in a lot of death and malpractice.