Typical child """prodigies"""

>both parents aren't brainlets and thus the son isn't a brainlet either

eh I'd definitely call him privileged but not in the liberal sense of the word (although of course that applies to his case as well)

leftists like diversity except in the intelectual sense

>>8506594

Take another high IQ kid
>High IQ kid like kid in OP
>Parents IQ 90-100
>Family income $25,000
>Attend rural highschool
>Highest math class offered is Calculus I
>Scores average on SAT (no tutors and no one in the school really knows what the SAT is/how to prepare for it)
>Gets into a below 50 State School
>Starts at Calculus II freshman year
>Takes maybe 1-2 graduate courses senior year

Even with same IQ as kid in OP, kid in OP will be considered more intelligent, successful and obtain more wealth than kid in this example.

>>8506607
>this kid is richard p. feynman
>OP's kid burns out before finishing his PhD, decides he wants to do nothing but paint murals in a hippy commune because never given a chance to decide for himself what he liked.

>>8506607
>High IQ kid like kid in OP
>Parents IQ 90-100
Stopped reading there.

>>8506607
that was sad to read

What does this have to do with /sci/?

You seem to set it out as negative that parents push their child towards success btw

>>8506623
Iq is not 100% genetic

>>8506645

It is related though. There's outliers and averages.

>>8506583
Reminder that intelligence is up to 60% genetics once you reach adulthood.

>>8506645
It's not but the odds of Cletus and Luane Marie producing intellectual juggernaut are exceedingly low.

>>8506607
The rural kid will be successful in a completely different way
You do know there are quite a few famous engineers and scientists that started out as children of farmers right?
Just because you're born in the middle of nowhere doesn't mean you're strapped to a life of failure
Just because you're not graduating grad school at 12 doesn't mean you're life is over and you haven't achieved youre potential

Most kids are capable of doing calculus in middle school. It's that American math education is painfully slow; 2nd-8th grade math for non-accelerated students is basically the same thing with bigger numbers.

>>8506658
Maybe really basic calculus but don't overestimate the intelligence of children
I see 9th graders struggle with basic algebra and that's not because of shitty teachers because these kids have been doing basic algebra since at least 5th grade

If it goes so slow why are they still so stupid?

>>8506665
Calculus is literally applied algebra. It boggles me that people think it's "sooo hard" when all it is is new rules and by which you apply algebra. Set up problem, plug shit in, use algebra to evaluate. If you can pass Alg II, you can do Calculus.

>>8506665
When you advance too slowly and use a skill too little you forget what you've learned, which means you need to constantly re-learn; it's inefficient and you make never get gud.

>>8506689
So youre saying that doing the same shit every year means that you get worse at it?
Somehow I really don't believe that

If you read the biographies of people like feynman, gell-mann, they were uber advanced. Feynman was is no way rich. Gell mann was in grad school while he was still a teen

>>8506706
I'm just saying that if you spend 6 years doing hello world you're probably never going to be any good at programming.

>>8506726
You could have one hell of an obfuscated "hello world" program, though.

>>8506728
Personally I blame the no child left behind mentality. Basically that if any student is behind it's because the teacher is neglecting him and if anyone's ahead it means he's getting too much attention.

>>8506729
>Personally I blame the no child left behind mentality. Basically that if any student is behind it's because the teacher is neglecting him and if anyone's ahead it means he's getting too much attention.
Also, it's no surprise that the people who are good at a field universally are the ones who either have parents/tutors help or just do shit on it outside of the classroom. Our education system is shit, literally shit. Sure it might have been a big step up when 90% of people were farmers and nobody knew how to read or write and had minimal access to books but fuck me is it pointless now-a-days.

>>8506607
>high iq
>average sat scores
SAT and IQ correlate well, so this point is pretty idiotic. Also if that kid had a passion for math they would independently study it; it's not like books don't exist in rural areas.

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>>8506729

It's a slow crawl of Marxist policy. Marxists couldn't win in the free market place of ideas so they instead are using every tool at their hands with political correctness to take control of the school system. Which they've largely done. Which is where all these social justice types come from. Someone clamoring for more equality and more social justice = marxist usually.

You're right that the no child left behind policy / mentality was complete bullshit and it's a continuation of the slow crawl of marxism. Obama signed an act that if black students were being suspended more than white students it was because of racism or implicit bias and not because black students acted aggressively / more dangerous far more often.

So you are not allowed to suspend more black students than white students even if black students won't shut the fuck up in class and are beating peoples asses in the hallway.

>>8506752
I've been tested twice as a teen and I scored a 141 on the WAIS and a 138 on Stanford-Binet. I got a dogshit score of 1700 years ago when the max was 2400 because I had learned absolutely no math, and I also didn't read any books. My essay was absolute shit, as well. I think my math score was a 510, or so.

Now I'm studying Math at Berkeley, which is weird change of course.

>>8506773
Anecdotal, but sure, there are outliers.

>>8506771
It gives me some solace to remember that these delusions usually collapse under their own weight /eventually/. The sad part is that that generally means a total collapse of the society infected by them and potentially hundreds of years of chaos thereafter.

>>8506583
>>8506607
He is privileged. Leftists don't defend the equality of everyone - of course we're not equal.

Leftists defend the equality of opportunities. Which means that this kid and another, less fortunate, must be able to access the same schools on the same criteria and both should have a fair chance to enter a prestigious university.

As a result
1) It would be normal to give priority to education in less fortunate area
2) It would be normal for college to be free to make sure the low-income family has reasons to believe their son can go into it
3) It would be normal for high-school to be well-funded by the federal government to reduce the inequalities caused by different upbringing

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>>8506796

The problem is that they aren't delusions at the moment. The largest evidence towards them not being delusions is that things like the pay gap myth are spouted by quite literally the president of the USA. It's in the media in Key and Peele skits, it's in the news, it's everywhere.

All these victimhood myths are dishonest and disingenuous. Right now SJW's - Marxists are literally using determinism to say that everyone is a victim of circumstance. Because there is no free will and the universe is set in motion and every action is predetermined so fat people - blacks - the sea of minorities they always talk about are just victims of the universe. Except white straight males because the universe was kindest to them so fuck them. (Asians always get forgotten by them apparently).

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>>8506809

This is so dishonest. How did the area get less fortunate in the first place?

Take a black school for example, why did investment leave. Why does investment still leave? Why do people not want to live around black schools.

Because they are hotbeds of violence and no one likes being assaulted, robbed, raped, or murdered. The current iteration being spouted completely destroys the concept of race or gender even though we can quite literally see race and gender and through lifetimes of experience we know that there's a difference between men and women and how they act to survive.

However they bastardize these definitions to say that there is no such thing as race or gender. It's all a social construct and society is the great determiner of these power structures and it has nothing to do with biological inclination. Meanwhile the most progressive nation on earth - Norway - has 90% female nurses and 90% male engineers. Almost like there's biological differences between these peoples to make them drift certain ways.

Women enjoy a more social atmosphere and care taking. Men are more autistic and lose themselves in their work and like to be left alone a lot of the time.

>>8506752
>>8506786

Like >>8506773, I too am gifted intellectually but I went to a terrible HS and did really badly on the math and reading section. I think I scored something like a 900 out of 1600 but somehow aced the writing section kek.

I went to a community college, but ended up doing pure math degree/cs, have research experience and am now acing my courses at a top and well-ranked university. One where students had to score much, much, much higher than me to be at and they aren't doing nearly as well as I am.

>>8506817
Pseudo-sociology aside, you're thinking of this the wrong way.

Black/poor neighbourhoods in general are usually disrupted because there are few/no jobs.

There are no jobs because there's no wealth.

There's no wealth because there's a general disinvestment, including in education, done (sometimes on purpose) by local and federal governments.

Take a public water company. Underfund it. The quality of service becomes extremely low and so you argue that the sector should be even more underfunded, because the government obviously isn't efficient. Rinse and repeat.

It seems that the same thing is happening with every other public service in America these days, including schools.

>>8506810
>everyone is a victim of circumstance. Because there is no free will and the universe is set in motion and every action is predetermined so fat people - blacks - the sea of minorities they always talk about are just victims of the universe.
This is largely true though. Nobody decides to be born retarded or in Africa, and these circumstances do realistically impose limits on what you can do. But this doesn't mean we should give up objective standards; we must still be realistic about each person's ability, and hold people accountable for their actions. Just because cletus didn't choose to be a retarded redneck doesn't change the facts of the matter. You cannot say well if only cletus is given a seat in a great school he could be a physicist despite the fact that he's the result of four generations of first cousins having kids with each other. This shit is irrational, a waste of time and resources.

>>8506835
>There's no wealth because there's a general disinvestment, including in education, done (sometimes on purpose) by local and federal governments.
Wow hold up. You're saying that black neighbourhoods are full of poor, violent, dumb assholes because the government purposefully siphons funds away from their areas? Are you fucking retarded?

>>8506817
> How did the area get less fortunate in the first place?
You mean besides having your family kidnapped, forced to work for no wages for 100 years, only being allowed to do the lowest of jobs/wages and then have those jobs taken away by automation?

Gee I have no idea, why those families would have no accumulated wealth to go to school.

>>8506598
underrated post

>>8506850
>because the government purposefully siphons funds away from their areas?
>what is privatisation of public services
And even then, ever noticed how the police in rich areas tend to be much more funded than in poor ones ?
Territorial inequality is a real thing. Especially in the US.

>black neighbourhoods are full of poor, violent, dumb assholes
First off, that's a stereotype. Secondly, yes. When there's almost no quality school, bare minimum of police, and private prisons lobbying judges for maximum occupation while keeping the inmates in precarious conditions, it's no wonder than crime rates rise.

Open a school, close a prison.

>>8506824
>>8506773
Cool. Doing well at a 4 year means nothing.

This is why no one cares about GPA when you go to find a job, and why top companies WILL ask for SAT scores. Getting a 1600 or 2400 is more impressive and indicative of intelligence than getting a 3.9 or 4.0 at a top school. All the latter requires is hard work. Don't kid yourselves, brainlets.

>>8506835
>But m-muh SJW gubmint takeover

No children left behind doesn't imply slowing down progress of the class. That's more of a byproduct of overcrowded class rooms and lack of funds/will to personalize teaching.

Most of teaching problems come from the fact that you apply general teaching method to an entire class room instead of evaluating each student as individually as you can, or at least allowing students to specialize in something to be sure a class for example has mostly students interested in thing X, and further separation based on skill levels so you're sure students are both paying attention and don't have big under and over achievers in the group.

>>8506871

It devolved into a discussion about privilege because marxists are trying to destroy capitalism through a slow and progressive march.

>>8506863
Naw m8 you're wrong, every area blacks move in becomes a shithole because they're just shit people. Also white admixture is a strong predictor of higher IQ and lower criminality. Somehow I don't think this could be because all the whities notice that they're only as dark as a 3/4 black and oppress them less.

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>>8506873
>Examination that tests highschool level courses is more impressive and indicative of intelligence

>>8506883
You must have a major in protocology, because you pull a lot of things out of your ass

This thread got very /pol/ very fast

>>8506886
You can't study for the SAT. You could study for years and get a measly 50 point increase. The same can't be said of the typical uni exam.

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>>8506887

No he's correct that blacks will always pull an area down. A large reason for this is that they cannot in large numbers enter a high trust society. That's why they hate black conservatives so much. Black conservatives usually have a pretty happy family, are very good neighbours and have sacrificed and strived to succeed.

However the sheer overwhelming number of black people that are not conservative.. well you can tell it by their moral fiber and their attitudes. 72% single motherhood. What is the cause of 72% single motherhood? It's shit fathers and shit mothers. People who cheat on each other constantly and have higher rates of STD's like herpes and HIV and fuck around behind the others back. So black men blame black women for their place in life. And black women blame black men for being deadbeats who don't even attempt to raise their child.

Blacks cannot enter a high trust society because they want a village mentality. The women all sit and work all day taking care of the children while the men hunt and do whatever else they want. Except in the modern society hunting = going out and getting pussy or drugs.

>>8506890

Any thread that talks about privilege is going to get /pol/'d.

>>8506835
Flint Michigan?

>>8506899
t. Black studies major who knows everything about black culture

Poverty is much more powerful than you could imagine, and no, poor black people doesn't always "bring an area" down, because they don't have the resources to move, and if they can move in an area, it was a poor district from the get go.

>>8506953
This just in: poor white people who live in areas with poor access to jobs and education exist, and they're still less violent and criminal than blacks ;)

>>8506972
Do you have any stats on that? I'm not an overtly racist person but if shit like this is true then what else is there to blame other than genetics?

>>8506873
>why top companies WILL ask for SAT scores
No they fucking don't. Google does not give two shits what that you got 2350/2400. They care about your collegiate extracurriculars and research experience. They may ask for transcripts or some such, but that's just to find out how much you know about a given subject.

>>8506976
>what else is there to blame other than genetics?
History. Everything else being equal, a black guy will have an harder time being employed.

Also, most poor black neighbourhoods are plagued by gangs and trafficking due to their urban nature. Poor white regions are more rural and have less visible effects of the inequalities. They are also considerable older.

tl;dr : Apples and Oranges. Violent black people are more compared to English Chavs than poor rural farmers.

>>8506899
>ell you can tell it by their moral fiber and their attitudes. 72% single motherhood. What is the cause of 72% single motherhood? It's shit fathers and shit mothers

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/opinion/charles-blow-black-dads-are-doing-the-best-of-all.html

Would there be a way to set up something like a twitch chat but with hentai streaming?

>>8506987
My bad wrong board.

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>>8506976
This is the first thing I found, and I guess you could interpret it a multitude of ways.

>>8506995
How large are the samples in both groups?

Also how was the sample taken place?

Also how did the control for things like discrimination, the fact that there may simply be just less rich black kids than poor white kids, and sampling bias.

Also what are they in prison for and if we are talking about 1950-1990s, how large a part might racism play in this?

Seems kinda click-bait.

>>8506995
Also "kids"= 20-28?

>>8506995
A black guy can be shot for telling an officer he has a gun. From here, it's not surprising the justice system is against them.

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>>8506986

>They're doing the best of all
>They have 100140848098234x the violent crime rate

A shitty ghetto mother whooping one of her children at the riot in Ferguson gets 30 million shares and shown as a good mother despite being horrendously fat and no father in sight. Look at all the BLM moms.. no father in sight.

NYT is full of shit and is a place of pure virtue signalling now. They have created completely false stories within the last year alone.

The only time NYT does something good is when they are actually documenting something with no agenda.

Like this: Warning - Graphic Violence
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000004108808/the-killing-of-farkhunda.html

>>8506687
Take analysis sometime, friendo. The system has made you into an idiot.

>>8507010
Apparently the data is from the National longitudinal survey of youth:

>The NLSY79 Cohort is a longitudinal project that follows the lives of a sample of American youth born between 1957-64. The cohort originally included 12,686 respondents ages 14-22 when first interviewed in 1979; after two subsamples were dropped, 9,964 respondents remain in the eligible samples.
https://www.nlsinfo.org/content/cohorts/nlsy79

It's an interesting question about how much discrimination from police/courts could factor in, but it's going to be really hard to untangle. I'm not sure you could prove/disprove it one way or the other, since I don't think you'll find many willing participants for a trial where the participants commit a crime the same way and see who gets charged/convicted.

>>8506985
>History
Okay, but we can't change history, so what is the point of blaming it exactly?
>Everything else being equal, a black guy will have an harder time being employed.
I'm not quite sure if I'm convinced of that. As I said before, I'm not overtly racist. I'm a logical and rational human being. If I was an employer, I'd hire based on skill alone, not race or age or gender. If we assume all people are like me, then how does history change anything? We must blame race. If there are people not like me, then they are the ones to blame. But history should not be blamed.

>most poor black neighbourhoods are plagued by gangs and trafficking due to their urban nature.
That makes sense. It's a cultural problem, not a racial one. The real question is, why are the urban poor mostly black while the rural poor mostly white? I guess we could blame history for that, but again it's impractical and solves nothing. Should we put the blame on the entire system and label it institutional racism? Or should the people who passed these racist policies be at fault? Or are the policies even racist at all? Again, without data we can't really be sure whether the differences in races are really there or just superficially placed there by racist people.

>>8506995
Interesting. But as you pointed out, this doesn't tell us much. We could be dealing with racist cops and assume institutional racism, but at the same time we could assume nonracists cops and dealing with a legitimate difference between races. It's most likely a combination of the two, which sucks because both sides of the fight gets fuel for the fire.

>>8506583
anyone above the age of 13 who can pass the entrance exams can start community college, and that shit is free if you are a turbo poor.

kids choose to not get an education and instead elect to hide in their glorified day care facility (aka high "school").

literally anyone on /sci/ could (read: should) have their first 2 years of undergrad knocked out before they turn 18.

>>8507033
>I don't think you'll find many willing participants for a trial where the participants commit a crime the same way and see who gets charged/convicted.
Actually maybe the government should commission such a study and guarantee the participants immunity for participating. This data could be quite informative/useful.

>>8506873
Nah you're wrong. My sat score signaled more my socioeconomic upbringing. Attending a prestigious university and doing well means more than my 900 SAT score from years ago. Plus I have research experience & on the path of attending a PhD program. They don't ask for SAT scores in google interviews. They check to see if I know algorithms/data structures which is by far more difficult than anything asked on the SAT. If I took it now I'd probably ace it.

>>8506894
You can study for the SAT. I made like a 30% jump between my PSAT and the SAT itself.

>>8506706
What makes kids worse at it is they never see useful application of their material until they can take a physics class so they never try. On top of that, they have summer breaks and typically do absolutely zero studying over the break so they forget everything. Classes, at least in the US aren't really designed for kids to learn unless the kid is in a private school or an accelerated program. Kindergarten through 8th grade usually function more like a daycare that has math worksheets and uses larger books and poems for storytime than an actual place for someone to learn.

>>8507065
Well we know the united states has a history of racism that was pretty bad at least two generations ago (could probably meet someone whose grandpa or father was a slave). We also know that there was a lot of effort to keep black people from gaining much power during that time so it would be fair to say history is a good answer. Another good answer is that good change take time and you are being impatiant.

Also it is incredibly difficult to research foal play when the ones that are committing the foal play have the power.

>>8507091
>Kindergarten through 8th grade usually function more like a daycare that has math worksheets and uses larger books and poems for storytime than an actual place for someone to learn.
That's actually a remarkable apt description of the problem.

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>>8506607
>tfw you literally are this kid

>>8507066
Irony in that is that only the kids that have someone that went to college in their lives know this. If you didn't know this , then I doubt there would be any way to know this without already knowing this.

>>8507091
Pst that is if the school that you go to has a physics program.

>born in a shittier place
>parents barely have any money for anything
>fuck around all time during high school missing classes and playing video games
>i kinda liked programming and physics so i studied for them
>get prizes at national contests enough to bump my cv
>get accepted to decent university with scholarship
>work harder, finish my undergraduate first, do my masters at a top 10 university
>now doing my phd at the best university in my field
>family is proud, summer internships at google, good career prospects, loving gf for almost 2 years

i also think im privileged because of my smarts that allow me the capacity to sort my life out

>>8507107
you are probably a plant, planned to be an poster boy of fairness and possibility. the ethical thing when you realize it would be to refuse and go to shit instead.

>>8507118
he has already fallen for the pussy. ethics rarely has any bearing any longer at that point.

>>8506583
Having grown up in a lower class blue collar family constantly in debt and struggling to put myself through college, my greatest ambition in life is to be in a position to do this for my progeny

Anybody who struggle with hunger through college? If you succeeded how did you do it?

>>8507139
Drink lots of water, and only water

Eat ramen, chicken breast, whatever vegetables are on sale, eggs

>>8507139
for price: porridge for breakfast. pasta or large packs rice, eggs, tuna and beans for protein. sometimes chicken are on sale. probably the cheapest animal meat you could get ahold of.

>>8507139
>Anybody who struggle with hunger through college? If you succeeded how did you do it?
Big sacks of rice/beans are gud, things like potatoes/carrots/corn/onions are generally quite cheap. Also if you can get cheap clams then it's a good way to get iron and b12; especially seeing as the next best thing is red meat which can be quite expensive.

>>8507140
>>8507155
>>8507164

>this "smart" and not realizing the benefit of a vegan diet

You never fail to disappoint me, /sci/

>>8506583
>If you say this kid had """muh privledge"" then rightists will defend it and say no anyone is capable of this.
ftfy

>>8507139
To add to other remarks, lentils are awesome. Great protein source, high in fiber, high in a good number micros, and are prepared quickly wit hn good variety.

>>8506583
>anyone is capable of this*
*conditions apply:
• high IQ
• high motivation
• high-income parents who care

>>8506972
/thread

>>8506894
Lol u wut m8?

>>8506607
if youre not a brainlet you won't do average or close to average on the SAT. To get top tier scores preparing helps but if you can't get at least 2000 without putting in any effort you probably dont have much potential to waste.

>an idiot from /pol/ in this thread thinks that SJWs are Marxists

Anyway, the prodigies I've met were all homeschooled because the parents realized the school system was not only inadequate but damaging.

>>8506654
It's probably not that low, but they are simply never found and their intelligence becomes stifled when they grow up. Affirmative action is still the wrong way to go about it though. The best way is to simply increase the general education level of the population and fight against anti-intellectualism such that even the level of backward "farmers" is increased. The western world has done decent progress on this, and one can hope these improvements continue.

>>8507066

People don't know this, though.

We have to make it a meme, or at least an infographic.

>>8507776

This isn't feasible because it's contrary to the interests of the ruling class. Our society requires a certain amount of skilled and unskilled laborers to function, and keeping the labor pool well-supplied is more of a priority for them than making sure everyone's smart enough to understand how they're being exploited by the system.

It's a nice dream, but it won't happen.

>>8507765
Not true. You underestimate how shitty some HS are. In my HS I didn't even know what the SAT was or what was on it / its format / the time limits etc. Easy to do shitty on it under those circumstances.

>>8506607
If you keep on making excuses, you will never be successful.

>don't know about SAT
Google it.
>don't have Internet
Go to your local library and Google it.
>they don't have Internet
Use the books in your library.
>they don't have books on the SAT
Go to another library.
>no other libraries in area
Drive to a different area.
>don't have a car
Get a job and save up for a car.
>no jobs in my area
Make your own job and earn money that way.

You can have excuses or you can have results. Life isn't fair, deal with it.

>>8507798
You make it sound trivial to prepare for the SAT. it wasn't. I made a 900 on it. I ended up at a community college and eventually a top 10. No longer matters.

You do not understand and not capable of understanding how truly shitty my white trash, 4H club, confederate flag, no AP courses high school was.

>>8507785
It has already happened to a certain extent though, which goes against your naive conspiracy theory. You can still do decently academically, relatively speaking, if you're born today in a poor family with a modest amount of education. If you're in the US, your parent are still likely to have finished high school, be literate, value education to a certain extent, and have no expectation of making you drop out of school as soon as possible to make you work to support them. Go back a hundred or two hundred years ago and most people were not even finishing high school. It's undeniable that there has been progress. There is no policy of the government right now, in western countries, that goes against the education of the population, even in principle: it's quite the opposite actually. Your worldview is a dream.

>>8507802
What part on my list did you get stuck on? You didn't know how to use Google?

>>8507802
Also, not making excuses. It's just the reality of the situation. I'm now pulling off a 4.0 GPA at a prestigious university, so it isn't holding me back.

>>8507805
I had poor parents, library wasn't close. I didn't know how to use technology. I was very backwoods. You obviously never stepped foot in the deep south, or ever attended HS in the deep south. I know this is unimaginable to someone that has never experienced it. As I stated, I'm not making excuses. My 900/1600 SAT score didn't keep me out of a prestigious university and I'm pulling off a 4.0. The acceptance rate here is quite low and people had to nearly ace the SAT to get in. I got lucky and now I'm doing better in STEM classes than they are. I understand the material in far greater detail due to all the self-studying I did beforehand.

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>>8507797
i lived in england until 1 year before i took the sat, literally studying a completely different curriculum. I didn't know what the SAT was either, still managed to do better than 99% of people. I don't consider myself smart either, the SAT is just designed for amerilards who can't think for shit.

>>8507802
>preparing for an aptitude test

I know a lot of people do it, that doesn't make it ok.

>>8507812
Good for you. You didn't grow up in the fucking deep south of the US with shit education.

>>8507815
I didn't know what the SAT was. I didn't prepare and did poorly.

You should have attended my shitty ass backwards high school, only then would you understand my situation.

As stated, I attend a prestigious university in the US... it no longer matters... plus I'm acing my STEM courses, have research experience and am on bound to get into PhD programs.

>>8507820
If you go by my SAT scores alone there is no way I should be performing the way I am. I have a literal 100 in my class while people are fucking struggling and these are students that ACED the SAT. My SAT score was not an accurate reflection of my ability... obviously.

>>8507821
Don't worry too much about SAT. The ones who matter make damn sure they know what people can and can't do.

>>8506773
I got an perfect score on the math section and still consider myself a veritable idiot. Standardized tests are just buoy supports to further legitimize yourself but inevitably mean little by themselves.

>>8506796
Who is:
>Donald Trump
>Hofer
>Frauke Petry
>Marine Le Pen
>PIS in Poland
>FARAGE in Bongland

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>>8506976
The United Kingdom:
>More black people jailed in England and Wales proportionally than in US. New study finds seven times more black people per population are in prison – in the US number is just four times as many
https://archive.is/OoczY
>Twelve per cent of London’s men are black. But 54 per cent of the street crimes committed by men in London, along with 46 per cent of the knife crimes and more than half of the gun crimes, are thought by the Metropolitan Police to have been committed by black men.
https://archive.is/LZbUB
Canada:
>Blacks make up nearly one in 10 of the 15,000 inmates in Canada’s federal prisons, where they have a second-class status, according to a report from Howard Sapers, ombudsman for federal inmates.
https://archive.is/H7ei4
>Blacks are just 2% of the general Canadian population
https://archive.is/Rvbpj
Switzerland:
>In 2010 for the first time was a statistic published which listed delinquency by nationality (based on 2009 data). To avoid distortions due to demographic structure, only the male population aged between 18 and 34 was considered for each group. From this study it became clear that crime rate is highly correlated on the country of origin of the various migrant groups. Thus, immigrants from Germany, France and Austria had a significantly lower crime rate than Swiss citizens (60% to 80%), while immigrants from Angola, Nigeria and Algeria had a crime rate of above 600% of that of Swiss population. In between these extremes were immigrants from Former Yugoslavia, with crime rates of between 210% and 300% of the Swiss value.[9]
https://archive.is/v2u2J
https://archive.is/mAgR
Australia:
>SUDANESE and Somali-born Victorians are about five times more likely to commit crimes than the wider community, a trend that must be addressed to prevent Cronulla-style social unrest, police warn.
https://archive.is/dPAr4

cont...

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>No evidence of racial discrimination in criminal justice processing: Results from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health
>One of the most consistent findings in the criminological literature is that African American males are arrested, convicted, and incarcerated at rates that far exceed those of any other racial or ethnic group. This racial disparity is frequently interpreted as evidence that the criminal justice system is racist and biased against African American males. Much of the existing literature purportedly supporting this interpretation, however, fails to estimate properly specified statistical models that control for a range of individual-level factors. The current study was designed to address this shortcoming by analyzing a sample of African American and White males drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health). Analysis of these data revealed that African American males are significantly more likely to be arrested and incarcerated when compared to White males. This racial disparity, however, was completely accounted for after including covariates for self-reported lifetime violence and IQ. Implications of this study are discussed and avenues for future research are offered.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913000470

That's about all the /pol/ data I have. I'm sure I could google more but that'd take a while to compile and sift through good and bad data. I'm quite positive that most of the links with the exception of the science direct one are legitimate.

There's always www.heyjackass.com just to keep track of Chicago and see their commentary on the insanity that goes on there every weekend.

With this kind of damning mathematical data where the data almost always implies
Least violent to Most Violent
Black -> Mixed/Brown > White > South East Asian

I don't think there's any countries that break the mold but if you find any, feel free to share.

>>8507875
Biafra? The people of that group (I think Yoruba) wanted to be the Singapore of Africa. It didn't work.

>>8507845
Thanks anon

>>8507870

Are you implying that correlation = causation?

>>8506817
>leave
They were never there you nitwit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

>>8506583
Fucking exactly. All these kids who are taking "advanced" mathematics are somehow geniuses. Like when I was in HS I was labeled as one of the smartest guys in the school just for taking an AP class even though half of those people would go on to take it in college. If the kid starts early then he is going to not only have very solid foundation but be able to do more advanced stuff at an earlier age. It's our society, the media has to make a big fucking story about little Johnny going to college at the age of 16 and that he was diagnosed with a minor form of aspergers (probably not even accurate, just makes the kid look smarter). Fucking crazy

>>8506623
Inb4 muh genetic IQ. I personally think IQ has little to do with genetics... I see so many intelligent people coming from dumbass families or vice versa.

>>8507875

How the hell did I type least to most violent and get it wrong. Jesus christ.
Most to Least clearly*
Black -> X -> White -> Asian

>>8507101
Guidance counselor
Teachers
Friends
Internet
etc

>>8507908
there are masterfully top notch engine designers and craftsmen and foodie prep chefs that don't require high IQ and they could arguably be the best that there is out there today.

>>8506583
>implying a child of Tequila and Jontavius will have the mental capacity to thrive in the intellectual environment provided to them by genius parents
smdh famalam. you are a fool

>>8506656
>destined for life as an engineer
why live

>>8507416
>vegan diet
A-are you suicidal?

>>8507774
>the prodigies I've met were all homeschooled because the parents realized the school system was not only inadequate but damaging.
Sums up my thoughts, too.

>>8507908
>>8506654
>>8506648
>>8506645
The measurable heritability of intelligence varies from study to study, but the numbers are more or less in the 30-60% range, that number being the percentage of measurable intelligence that is attributed to its heritable nature and not due to nurture.

Harden, K. Paige; Turkheimer, Eric; Loehlin, John C. (2006). "Genotype by Environment Interaction in Adolescents' Cognitive Aptitude". Behavior Genetics
Tucker-Drob, E. M.; Rhemtulla, M.; Harden, K. P.; Turkheimer, E.; Fask, D. (2010). "Emergence of a Gene x Socioeconomic Status Interaction on Infant Mental Ability Between 10 Months and 2 Years"
Davies, G.; Tenesa, A.; Payton, A.; Yang, J.; Harris, S. E.; Liewald, D.; Deary, I. J. (2011). "Genome-wide association studies establish that human intelligence is highly heritable and polygenic". Molecular Psychiatry

>>8506583
>be me

>bastard with no father
>work my ass off in school because family pressures me and says education = future
>don't realize it but they are pretty poor, stepdad was military, then a trucker to put a roof over our heads
>mom is walmart cashier
>get into computers at an early age (10) because muh vidya, and muh escapism
>learn every single thing about computers i can just because i think it's cool, and i'll be able to help people
>time to graduate high school
>get a job as IT person at a university through a teacher recommendation, changed my life (i was working at subway, only prospect was air force)
>work that job for 5 years, being promoted, learning a lot
>move to another country with my gf and my savings
>attend uni, want to major in mathematics because i've done everything in IT
>would like to, but don't really have the time to help other people out because my family's future is riding on my education

and that's how it is.

>>8506873
This is true. They do this at Goldman, and many other investment banks , especially for internships

The real key to success is being born Jewish.

Name a single factor with higher correlation to quality of life.

>>8508645

End Jewish privilege.
End the Jewriarchy.
Jewish silence = Jewish violence.
Jewish are the oppressors.

>>8506583
Genius doesn't exist, look at Lazlo Polgar's experiments, every child could become a prodigy with intensive (but balanced) training

Honestly, most kids are dumb and can't do even basic precalc stuff unless taught for years.

>>8506607
>Carl Friedrich Gauss was born on 30 April 1777 [...] as the son of poor working-class parents.[3] His mother was illiterate and never recorded the date of his birth
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss
Now what?

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>>8506654
>It's not but the odds of Cletus and Luane Marie producing intellectual juggernaut are exceedingly low

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Remember when Jacob was a thing? He is already 18. Where did the time go?

>>8507774
Except for the ones designed to prove an illusion. Aka under dog kid achieving culturally established dreams. Like class travel in socialist countries or "the american dream" over there.

>>8506607
>Scores average on SAT (no tutors and no one in the school really knows what the SAT is/how to prepare for it)
Bullshit, I did well on the SAT with no preparation and I'm not even that smart, all it takes is to not be a brainlet.

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>>8507804

Oh? Naive, am I?

>>8509289

Feel free to go to those areas and become a teacher and show your good virtue. You can't force white teachers to go to an area and make it better when they're under the threat of violence every single day.

There's 4 assaults on St. Louis teachers per day. Per-fucking-day. I come from a white city where you wouldn't get 4 assaults on teachers in a single year. Fuck off with your insane cultural marxism. Tell your professors they ripped you off.

>>8507908
>I see so many intelligent people coming from dumbass families or vice versa.

"uneducated" <> "dumb"

There is no way intelligence isn't heavily affected by genetics.

>>8509298
I teach HS in the burbs of MKE and can confirm that the threats to physical safety in the worst performing schools keep any and all average and above average teachers very very far away.

The only people who take those teaching jobs are black teachers who barely got their teaching cert. Trust me when I tell you that the people who work there are granted their licenses only because without it, there would be no one willing to endure those working conditions.

Detroit, for example, will never, ever have any like what would be considered a normal teacher shortage. Absolutely no one but the very worst teachers will take those jobs. The state can't remove teh job qualificatnios fast enough, nor cna they confine those lower qualificainos to certain districts.

Personally I'd need six figures to take a job in one of thsoe schools.

>>8506623
You are an absolute moron.

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>>8509373

>Why do these teachers keep leaving these minority areas!!!

>>8509465

>dream of one day being a teacher
>study your whole life
>can't wait to enchant and enrich the minds of your students
>fantasize about all the good in the world you will do
>get into class
>"AYO HOL' UP"
>"AYY PUTA"
>dreams crushed
>move away from X district within 5 years

>>8509298
>>8509373
>>8509469
>>8509465

I see that that ruffled some feathers, but the issue isn't that it's Detroit. It's the legal precedent they're attempting to establish.

Anyway
>Feel free to go to those areas and become a teacher and show your good virtue.

That's the plan. What are you, a coward? Lmao

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>>8509529

Yes, I am a coward.

I'm someone that believes in that there are genetic averages to the races that will never be fixed without artificial genetic alterations.

I'm not willing to risk my neck for savages. 72% single motherhood rating and 1/3rd of their males will see prison in their lifetime? Not worth the effort. Cut the limb off and leave stop wasting my tax money.

>>8509529
>teaching subhumans is a better waste of your time than doing research and expanding human knowledge

kek, enjoy getting eaten alive cracker

>>8507131
>he grew up poor
>he wants kids

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>>8507416
>benefit of a vegan diet

>>8509529
You're gonna die lol

>>8509734
i wish i looked like that

instead im fit and good looking

>>8509554
> poverty is genetic

A typical child prodigy actually is:
>middle class
>white
>male
>autistic
>lazy
>not /fit/
>synesthesite
>attention-seeking problems
>bullied all day erry day
>browses REDDIT
>doesn't care about politics so isn't a cucked numale or a neckbeard alt-right wigger

>>8508211
family gives you shit upbringing
>a roof and food make you indebted to your parents for life
fucking cuck
>dude I have moral obligation to be my substandard parent's lottery ticket

>>8507765
>placing meaning in the results of any standardized test
ISHIGGYDIGGY

>>8509546
/pol/ack please go already

>>8509253
you are a fucking faggot go the fuck away
you didnt even read the thread lmao

>>8507875
how violent is the guy shitposting on a science imagien borard

>>8509950
>>8508211
>wanting to take care of people who took care of him
>cuck

>hurrdurr liberals are destroying the traditional family hutrrdurejkla jkl jkl;fa i have EBOLAID

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>>8510098
>actual trip fags in anno domine 2016

>>8506817
>This is so dishonest. How did the area get less fortunate in the first place?
>Take a black school for example
Oh boy.

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>>8506607
I don't have any particularly exceptional IQ, but I know that problem.
I had no highly intelligent carers or peers growing up, not to say my parents were stupid though.
I've tutored before, but I've never had a tutor, because my parents instead wasted money on a low-tier private school.

I am so mad at that school.
>mostly male due to it being an all-gender branch of a girl's only school (I only ever saw two cute girls there and although the cutest became my girlfriend she left the school two weeks later, lucky her)
>poorly equipped due to being a tiny school
>management difficulties due to being a branch of another school
>indian IT teacher, asian maths teacher (the maths teacher wasn't that bad despite asian maths teachers usually being difficult, and coincidentally my physics professor knew her, but having an indian IT teacher really did mean that we learned almost nothing useful and it was just a lot of work)
>only taught a handful of subjects
>no study groups, or at least not any easily findable ones
Also another annoying thing of it being a small school was that there would only be like a dozen people at the most who were qualified to run as the head of a house, so you'd have to pick between 1-3 people who would be the head of your house.
Some houses got cool leaders but the entire time I was at that school my house had only endless shit-tier leaders who were at best incompetent, but often they would just bully everyone too.
No, we will not sing your favourite song which we hate any better if you use a spray bottle on anyone who isn't singing loud enough and constantly complain we aren't loud enough.

Now I forgot the original point I was trying to make but gee I am mad

>>8510105
Except there was no trip...

>>8506665
It is a lot about shitty teachers though. I went to some really good schools in the midwest and I always struggled with math. We are taught memorization, "Here's the function line test, why does it work? It doesn't matter just remember down = frown. This sort of function looks like this. Why? It doesn't matter, eats easy to remember with this other rhyming phrase, see?" We weren't tought how anything worked. When I went to college I was completely lost in algebra so I dropped it and didn't take math for 2 years. Had to eventually take it so I studied it on my own and relearned all of algebra stats and trig in one summer, so I was able to take calc that fall. Actually learned how it all worked and it was easy as shit. Hardly even went to calc class because it was so easy.

Basically math education in highschool and below is atrocious.

>>8506583

I knew a guy like this in undergrad.

Both of his parents were professors, and they basically taught him ahead of his peers his whole life. So, he was always the smartest guy around. He started in like senior level math courses, and thought he was hot shit.

One day, we were in the computer lab, and he was talking about how great he was again. Someone finally said to him that he wasn't fucking great. He was just well taught, and that by the end of undergrad, he probably wouldn't even stand out among the top people in our class.

The guy that told him off was right. "Genius" kid was still a really good student, but he wasn't a stud or anything. I kinda felt bad. I think it really stressed him out to realize that not only was he not so much smarter than everyone else, but everyone else also knew that he wasn't so much smarter than everyone else. Similar to when you think everyone's looking at you for some embarrassing reason, but in his case they actually were.

>>8506583
S A L T Y

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>>8506817
My dude

>>8506899
This.

Look up white flight, and Robert D. Putnam's studies on diversity and its correlation with reduced trust in a community.

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>>8507022
>tfw their profits fell by 97.5% last quarter.
>tfw they released a pleading apology

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>>8509816
This is so fucking true, especially about politics.

I used to just focus on science and math, but the memes and politics of 2016 sucked my mind and I find myself to not be thinking about politics most of the time or have that spark for science that I used to have.

How do I recover?

>>8506607
high IQ low income checking in can confirm you're full of shit
>SAT 2350

>>8510737
Same. Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

>>8510950
>>8510737
stop being a sperg and get involved in politics in some way

>>8511283
Why do I want to do that? I don't want to do politics, it's dirty and tends to ruin more lives than anything, especially if you're not rich and powerful beforehand.

It's a time waster.

How do I get rid of it?

>>8506623
Parents IQ is not always representative of their offspring
oh fuck I just took bait didn't i

>>8509342
>mom is literally 76 IQ
>dad is 105
>I'm 126
Check mate

>tfw half-black

This thread is fucking me up big time.

>>8507095
This. You have to remember that rights for black people is still a fairly recent thing in America. Even if it's been true for your entire life, the fight for these right was happening throughout the 1900s. (Hell, we didn't even get full constitutional suffrage for women until 1920.)

So what you find post slavery black communities started poor and were never given real opportunities to build wealth (much of that stemmed from racist attitudes and laws, but was also driven by people just ignoring the woes of the poor). The culture that developed inside these communities has been one of violence and crime, but that has also happened to urban white poor communities (anybody heard of the mafia or the mob?).

>>8506583

kids are retards
also parents only job is to kill you

>>8512440
Me too fellow light niggerino.