The science of magic

>>8450440
>Is there really a difference between natural phenomenon and magic, other than one being labeled such because we understand it?
Well, ignoring the mysticism that surrounds 'magic' no, not really.
What point are you trying to make? It' just semantics.

>>8450440
The terms are relative. Magic can just happen, supernaturally. Science is reproducible with measures.

Magic has connotations of mysticism and has oogy boogy elements. The big difference between the two is that scientific phenomena happen because of rules. Magic things happen not because of sensical scientific laws but just because they do.

>>8450440
Fucking magnets, how do they work?

Magic is a Linguistic construct.

>>845080

A type of magic called elector-magnetism.

Thermodynamics

>>8450440
The difference is the Scientific Method.

>>8451415

You can't apply the scientific method to magic?

>>8451422
No, you can't. At least not HP magic. Scientific method requires consistent repeatable results. Muggles, no matter how deep their knowledge, are unable to reproduce all magical results.

>>8451426

Well obviously magic itself would be a quantifiable part of the experiments.

Its the variable, muggles would be the control group.

>>8451427
You can't have different results depending on who conducts the experiments, Anon. Magic in the HP universe varies from person to person, it is unquantifiable in the same way science is.

>>8451432

Its not the magicians conducting the experiments, anon. In order to explain magic, you would have to conduct the experiments ON the magic users. Hence why muggles are the control group.

>>8451435
Then you're using the scientific method to analyze the human body, and the magic itself doesn't factor into it, making your question irrelevant.

Magic was the precursor to science, before science philosophers (like Giordano Bruno) called magic anything that involved the study of nature for the purpose of changing it to our advantages. Later this studybecame more rigorous and consistent by Galileo and Bacon with experiments and mathematicized by Galileo. Thus science as we call it was born

>>8450440
>At what point of understanding does something go from being magic to science?

Engineering.
The ability to reproduce the effects.
etc.

magic doesn't follow variational/conservation principles

>how is gravity not magic
Enough for me to know OP has severe autism.

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>>8450440
>How is gravity not magic?

>>8451652
Conservation laws are a bad meme

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>>8450505
Is there anything we know so little about you could see it as magic?

>>8453196
Women.

>>8453209
kek

>>8450440
Magic is not explainable, when it becomes explainable it ceases to be magic.
fag

>>8451426
That's because magic requires ability on the part of the magic-user. The same is true with many non-magical abilities.

>>8453169
Why did you steal my meme?

I'd say if hypothetically something "magical" existed, like Harry Potter shit for example, the idea of magic just comes from being unable to explain what's happening, but at its core everything has a reason for happening and by extension can be explained scientifically once you have enough knowledge.

>>8450498
spells is harry potter are also reproducible with measures.

>>8451411
lol. yea

>>8450440
You are right there are some similarities but there are some major differences. For instance:

Science is boring

Magic is gay

>>8450440
Science is a process of thought and testing.

Anything that can be done in a consistent manner can be scienc'ed

Things that work inconsistently or leave you uncertain it can be reliably reproduced tend to fall under the category of magic/miracles.

>>8450440
There is a law in sci-fi fantasy settings wherein at a certain level of advancement technology and magic are indistinguishable. The distance between a persons experience and the level of technology matters in the perception of technology as magic. For example

An old woman lives in a cursed cave, she is hideous and mad. Any who venture to close to her cave risk becoming cursed with a variety of wasting illnesses as it angers the witch. In reality she's living in a cave full of radioactive elements and she is suffering from a large number of tumors and brain lesions.

>>8451439
>>8451432
There is literally a ministry of magic. one of their many functions is to create new magics. If magic relied person to person there would not be specific spells and cantrips, there would be no school to learn all the various spells. In the movie there was even a wizard learning physics, one of the tropes of the HP universe is that the magic side has been so proficient for so long it has lead to stagnation as they ignore the muggles capabilities. The sheer fact that there is a potions class and theory of magic class means that the scientific method can be applied. Instead of gluons you have pixie dust and instead of jellium you got aether.

>>8455901
engineers are hard at work to close the distance

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