How do we stop obesity epidemic once and for all?

>>8436012
by banning food

>>8436012
Find a market use and cheap easy extraction method for human lipids.

>>8436013
What about obligatory exercising?

>>8436012
It's simple. We eat the fatsos.

>>8436012
Kill all brainlets

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22777716

>>8436012
kill the morbese

>>8436018

This all the way. Maybe triglycerides can be repurposed as fuel as well.

>>8436012
Impose a fat tax to fund hospitals

>>8436019
>implying the compulsory PE lesson during school was at all useful

Increase the amount of sports channels on tv, particularly track and field oriented sports.

Healthy food channels.

Allow soap companies to hire a licensed liposuction team. Advertise free liposuctions, soap companies win, fat ppl win.

>>8436142
this

>>8436012
the only way is educating kids from the very begining, but that's like... impossible with all the shitty food advertismenrs on TV. So we can't stop it.

>>8436156
Just imagine it.

"Are you overweight and ready to lose those extra pounds? Well caress, dove, and irish spring have partnered up to help you reach your goal. Just call 1-800-fat-ppls, and our kind and patient staff will walk you through the process, step by step."

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>>8436012
Well, unless you control and regulate what people are allowed to eat, as well as the proportions... But that's fascism, socialism, anti-free market and perhaps communistic, which very few people would want to tolerate.


Otherwise, obesity will always be a problem in the developed world. This is because humans evolved for fasting and desiring the more limited food sources (especially rarer sweet and calorific) of past circumstances. Now there is a Starbucks on every corner, food so cheap and very high abundance, and food advertisement everywhere trying to further entice people to purchase more food; food likely made with shit ingredients and sugar. Hell, there are even food scientists whom help food companies make food more addicting...

All of this, and the fact that the average common jobs are sitting or simply standing jobs for overly long hours in most days of the week; meaning less likely to burn off the calories gained.


Unless this change, human nature and circumstances will continue down this path.

>>8436012
I fucking cant stop laughing at this fat pepe every time i look at it... why the fuck is it so funny to me...

>>8436012
Could it be possible to make tasty food that's also hard to digest?

Do you get satisfaction from bullying larger people? Stop this shit right now and go to >>>/pol/, you bigots.

>>8436012
Having a weight scale at the grocery store and body fat percentage counter.

If you are a man and over %25 body fat or a woman and over %30 bodyfat you aren't allowed into the grocery store.

Oh and the food in the store is also free.

Idk, I wish I could take a pill or something to just make cravings and hunger go away. I'm not fat, but I do struggle to maintain a weight, and often binge uncontrollably. I then have to force myself to eat less the following days. Not fun.

>>8436468
It's called self control and distraction.
I don't keep much food in the house that is quick to prepare, and if I'm still hungry after a reasonable dinner I go take a walk outside so I'm not tempted to raid the cupboard or make something.

>>8436012
A single governing body will never allocate enough funding to it's FDA equivalent to match the funding that goes into perfecting the advertisement and "addictiveness" of food-brands owned by private companies.

>>8436616
It's hardest for me when I'm eating out or with company. Obviously self-control but it's not that simple.

Eating unhealthy food should become a social taboo like smoking has become. From what I've read - with few exceptions - most cancers can also be prevented just by eating well.
The main issues are that:
1) There's a big industry that makes money of unhealthy food
2) A lot of people want this unhealthy food and see it almost as a human right (muh freedom)
3) Some people might be misinformed, but I know of many reactionary people as well (new insights into nutrition aren't true, we have been eating like this since [x]!)

Another less ethical approach is a kind of "accelerationism": instead of stopping the unhealthy food industry you let them "accelerate" to a point of even more unhealthy food and in higher quantities, so the people who want the unhealthy food die quicker.

I have feeling the usual solutions will be the treatment of symptoms - as many propose here - instead of going to the root problem and solving that.

>>8436646
>Another less ethical approach is a kind of "accelerationism": instead of stopping the unhealthy food industry you let them "accelerate" to a point of even more unhealthy food and in higher quantities, so the people who want the unhealthy food die quicker.
A note to this.
The basic idea is that if it is their own choice (which is very much debatable, since they might not have the right information regarding the food), they should face the consequences.
That and one study wrote that healthier people are more demanding to the healthcare system because unhealthy people die quicker.

I have little sympathy for people who want to live unhealthy, and know the consequences, but accept society to fix their shit. People who really want to change their life should be fully supported.

>>8436660
B-b-but muh freedom

>>8436151
>Implying getting tackled by qt in short and t shirt, with maybe no bra was not useful

>>8436012
Nuke America

>>8436904
>things that never happened

>>8437004
Then another country would be the most obese in the world.

THERE MUST ALWAYS BE... THE FATSO LAND.

>>8436012
Make people so obese that they become lazy enough to stop eating so much.

>>8437041
Or they die to clogged arteries

>>8436012

>Ban excessive sugar (i.e most foods)
>Ban foods with retarded amounts of fat
>Install exercise as a fun thing to do in the youth

>>8436080
Are all brainlets fat?

have people sell food that is actually food

>>8436012
Education along with creating positions in society which garner self respect and stimulate a healthy mental status.

Low stress conditions create healthier people.

>>8437800
^^This^^

>>8436646
>unhealthy
Do you mean meat?

Isn't that the main carcinogen next to pesticides and aren't pesticides and lifestock not luxuries, but necessities for feeding the entire population?

>>8437895

It's the way it's prepared the main issue. Meat in itself is fine. Ban these methods, meat will be made re expensive but good. People eat too much meat anyway

Stop eating carbs. Or severely limit carb intake while still keeping caloric intake at normal levels

>>8437933
No, beef and pork are still thought to be inherently carcinogenic and processing is not just about preparation, but factory decontamination and preservation in addition to the cooking, so unless everyone has their own personal farm and only boils their meat, its unrealistic to think anyone can avoid processed meat.

>>8436012
First people need to realize that being obese is not a physical flaw, but a mental illness. Once we are there we can actually start treating obesity itself and not just the symptoms.

To prevent it in the first place, education, education, education. Sure, we kind of try that, but kids (and adults unfortunately) are exposed to a lot of contradictory information of which they tend to believe the more convenient one. Stuff like "fat acceptance" need to stop. It's destructive as fuck and having a society that accepts and even encourages an illness should never be a goal.

So /sci/, Am I unhealthy because i'm 6 foot 120 pounds but active and have good health and cardio.

Kind of the opposite of this thread but I want to know. I also eat like 3-4 meals a day my genetics just caused me to have a super small frame

>>8436012
One word: Auschwitz.

>>8437974
You eat too little, you should eat more. You will look better, you will feel better. There are no horrible health consequences of being underweight in case you keep eating. At least for men this is the case, for women it's different. Still, eat more. You may think that you are eating just fine, and it's all just your genetics and whatnot, but you really eat too little.

>>8438001

I understand that, But there has to be a limit because of my genetics no? I mean my wrists are 5.5 inches in circumference and my hands are the same size as most females I know. I'm 21 btw.

At least i'm not a manlet though right?

>>8437112
>Ban foods with retarded amounts of fat
You mean low fat products?

>>8436904
PE was separeted here, like girls would be in the gym when boys were swimming and viceversa, when bot were in gym there was a massive steel beamed curtain that was cast to separate the two.
This happend probably becaus most boys were being proper pervs and snuck into girls washing area when it was pool day.

>>8436012
food rationing

there you go, just saved the world trillions, if not quadrillions worth of obesity related costs

>>8436012
by "killing" capitalism

>>8437895
Red meat sure, especially if processed. If most red meat was replaced with white meat and (or) simply several days not eating meat it would be a big improvement.

Processed red meat is surely unhealthy,, but I think it is more difficult to say that regular red meat is.

When I say unhealthy I was mostly talking of fastfood, candy, soda, cookies and so on which have absolutely no nutritional value at all.

>>8438124
>regular red meat
eating raw meat has an entirely different set of dangers, most people cook their meat, its why its really hard to do studies related to cancer and its currently inconclusive.

>>8438156
I don't know what raw meat has to do with it, but I thought there was consensus that red meat is a risk factor for cancer.
But you probably know it better as me.

I've read that milk is bad for your digistive track and that starch and carbohydrates are equally bad for your health. But the textbook "essentials of nutrition" never acknowledged those things and even advised to drink milk (products). Anyway, that textbook did say red meat was a risk factor for cancer.

>>8438171
Cooking is part of what they define as processing, I don't think that includes steaming or boiling or even microwave radiation.

>>8436012
Cull the fat people.

>>8436012
Free healthcare for normal weight people
300 % more taxes for fat people

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1. Universal healthcare
2. Stop pumping food full of sterotids and other chemicals
3. Have you heard of the concept of the food desert?
>A food desert is a geographic area where affordable and nutritious food is alleged to be hard to obtain, particularly for those without access to an automobile

Better public transportation, destroy the fast food and big box stores, fund farmers markets and health food place

4. Make it illegal for anyone over 400 pounds to have a job, i say 400, cause there are a lot of big guys with muscles who are like 300 pounds, so i think if you somehow got to 400 pounds you got to admit when you got an problems

5, Destroy liberalism, liberals tell fat people that its okay to be fat, its okay to be a hulking mass that can only walk 5 steps before you are out of breath, we need to foster a culture that fights against this, and im not saying to hate fat people, im saying a culture that encourages health consciousness must be socially engineered.

6.Tax break incentives to people who are at a healthy weight?

7. A fat child is fat because their parents, the parents are the ones who by the food, make it socially negative to be a parent who does not know how to feed their kid properly

>>8437738
Have you ever seen a smart fat guy?

>>8436440
>implying those with the discipline and self-control to exercise and eat nutritionally/proportionally aren't inherently superior to those with little to no self-control who sacrifice their own physical capability and vitality to experience short term pleasure
>implying you're not a butthurt lardass
>implying this is /pol/, not /fit/
Fuck off

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>>8438301

>>8436635
It really is that simple. Self-control is a very basic and simple concept. The difficulty of it is another matter entirely.

Fine every overweight person $100 for every month their body fat percentage averages over 20% (25% for women) after 6 consecutive months (i.e. the first 6 months are free, but every month after that costs $100); and for every 5% over 20% (25% for women) the fine doubles.

Imprison those who refuse to (or cannot) pay.

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>>8438301

>>8437974
Go to /fit/, read sticky. Your genetics can be easily conquered based on the strength of your own willpower and dedication.
>6'0"
Shut up, some of us are stuck at 5'9" ;_;

>>8438310
That's unfair as overweight people can't lose that much weight at a healthy amount that quickly.

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You all just can't handle these curves

>>8438312
He's not fat, his brain is just distributed over his entire body.

>>8438304
Fuck you, bigot. Yeah I'm slightly overweight, but that doesn't give you any rights to be a fucking bully. Now fuck you fuck off.

>>8438332
Put down the chips and do some squats lardass

>>8436012
have people weigh in each year at a designated center, and tax the everlasting fuck out of them if they don't fit in the threshold.

>>8436013
War against food products

>>8436012
We need to build a wall around the fat people. And make the fatsos pay it.

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>>8438350
1v1 me you fucking bigot. I'll teach you what happens when you mess with people with larger bones.

>>8436012
That fat Pepe is fucking hilarious

>>8438025
Pool water can't melt steel beams

Pass a health tax thst increases costs on soda, chips, fast food, etc and use that to publically fund gyms.

Also run localized beauty pageants for men and women

>>8436012
We separate the fat from the rest of society and make fuel out of them, if someone reaches the weight limit they will be turned into a renewable resource.

Invent delicious, calorie-free food.

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Anyone seen Black Mirror?

>>8436012
set a requirement that everyone must step on a scale provided by the government every morning, and if they're over a certain BMI then they're almost worked to death at a camp. This will be enough to scare people to not eat junk food, and ensures that the ones who have will never do so ever again.

>>8438989
>BMI
wouldn't fat percentage be a better measure? Or do you have something against body builders as well?

probiotics

/thread

make it illegal to consume animal products

forces everyone to be vegan

outlaw foods with a greater than 12>1 calorie to protein ratio

>>8439023
Chips and soda are vegan

In your society the only food allowed is like beans and tofu

>>8439023
I'm not sure why people think that meat has anything to do with obesity. I'd even say meat is rather irrelevant to obesity. It's high quality food mostly with high nutritional value. If you want to start banning things, start with added sugar, soda and fried shit.

>>8439006
They're both scourge of the Earth, and both are almost equally unproductive.

>>8436646
>like smoking has become

lol where do you live that smoking is a social taboo?

I don't even smoke but I know a lot of people who smoke and it's not "taboo"

>>8436646
>see it almost as a human right (muh freedom)

Are you telling me it's not my right to eat whatever I want?

>>8439306
Yes

>>8439306
Try to eat a judge's nose and see how far you get in life.

>>8439023
Low protein diets drive overconsumption by protein leveraging. Protein is in fact the most satiating macronutrient, high quality animal proteins even more so due to the anabolic effects on hypothalamic and striatal feeding circuits.

>>8439306
Found the fatso

>>8436012
reintroduce fasting

>>8439023
Donuts, cake, french fries, and sugar are vegan. Take your religion elsewhere.

>>8437933
>>8438124
>>8438156
>>8438171
>>8438179
Eating red meat has health benefits. Why don't you kids do some research? Reading abstracts on pubmed is free.

Just for your information, the WHO spews out bullshit all the time and this is one of those times.

>>8436012
>we stop obesity
What do you mean by "we", Fatty?

Force obese people to run on treadmills that generate energy for the country. This solves obesity and global warming at the same time!

>>8440212
I'm not fat.

Kill tumblr

stop giving them medical care when their hearts explode.

If an alcoholic with liver failure gets a new liver and drinks it into oblivion he will not be getting a new liver. If a fatty eats their foot off then continues to eat until they have a heart attack they shouldn't be given treatment.

>>8438325
Those are rolls. You've got more chins than a Chinese phone book.

>>8438324
Bullshit.
You can lose, safely, in excess of even 100lbs, over just 6 to 12 months provided you are still over 20% body fat when your done. In regards to males anyway. I don't know what complications arise for females.

For males though, almost nothing but benefits. A subjective downside is most will be an ass hole by default when they no longer get to eat to raise endorfin levels. This is solved by finding another outlet.. Even video games work. (This is all in addition to diet and exercise of course.)

The more fat you have, the more blood it takes to circulate and maintain it. The larger framework you have, the greater "surface area" your body has to pull energy. Faster it can pull energy, faster you lose weight.

Your body will also begin dumping what it cannot maintain. If you eat enough to maintain the body of what you would be without all the fat, your body will maintain vitals and everything else before it maintains your fat, so it will start dumping fat out of necessity.

As you become more mobile, fat that is literally in the way of whatever you are doing, your body will again dump fat.* Within reason. The mechanism behind this is still conjecture so it's unclear if the movement assisted in breakdown or other similar hypothesis for observed phenomena.

>>8436012
Doctors should refuse to treat obese people.

>>8436012
Encourage the populus to do meme workouts that are posted on /fit/.

>>8440343
You can't stand the beauty of a true woman

>>8436012
Let them die. Don't pay for their blood pressure, heart and diabetes meds. The problem kind of goes away on its' own. Basically it's their life, and so should be their problem.

>>8440658
Feels bad man when people hate you so much and want you to be dead. My parents always gave me a poor diet and I didn't learn self control until I moved out. Already lost a good chunk of weight but still fat as fuck.

>>8440748
>>>8440658Feels bad man when people hate you so much and want you to be dead. My parents always gave me a poor diet and I didn't learn self control until I moved out. Already lost a good chunk of weight but still fat as fuck.

OP here. I don't hate you. I have plenty of obese friends. I am just not willing to enable your behavior. That accomplishes nothing to solve the problem.

My "let them die" comment was a poor choice of words. I sincerely apologize. It is way too easy to be a dick when anonymous on the internet.

Keep your chin up. You can do it and you are worth it. Best regards and luck.

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>>8436012
Start having decent food in America

>>8436013
North Korea does a good job with that.

>>8440776
Other countries are obese, meat quality doesn't cause it
>bright red only
Have fun with artificially colored meat.

>>8440748
Keep at it bro, we're all going to make it.
You are basically me. I hit 400lbs. Moved out. Realized didn't have to be fat. Calories in, calories out with copious amounts of /fit/ health and fitness over a year, I hit skeletor mode. I dumped weight without having ever really gone to the gym. I was so fat bodyweight was still a wistful dream. I just wanted to lose weight at the time, now I'm throwing muscle on with the satisfaction of being in total control of my "weight".

Loose skin? Yeah. It's a bitch. You get around it, basically telling people how to interpret what they're seeing. Surgery to remove it is expensive, but the U.S. MILITARY will cut it off for you in return for service. Pay you to lift too / be physically fit. I hear there's an officer route of getting your school paid for to.

Or just go for it with your own funds/insurance. For me, 6'8" with the loose skin of a 400 lbs man, the best quotes I could get were $150,000 3 years ago.

You hit it hard, you stay hungry, and conquer your world bro.

>>8440206
It can have some health benefits and still be cancerous and unhealthy taken in its totality, you are avoid the carcinogenic toll it takes on the cardiovascular system.

>>8441872
Nice broscience

>>8441880
Better than, "we found possible healthy qualities, so it can't be unhealthy."

>>8436276
We tried that with artificial sweeteners and olestra. Olestra just made people diarrhea and people don't want Splenda because of
>muh chlorines
Now I'm going to read which artificial sweetners are metabolized for energy and which ones are "0 calories" just because they don't fit the FDA definition of real sugar.

>>8436171
>>8436156
although funny, I would never buy fat ass soap. nope.

>>8438836
it's on my list. why do you ask?

>>8442132
Your current soap is made of fat cows.

>>8438325
Man the harpoons

>>8436012
I thought maybe having some type of government provided tax rebate or something that would encourage people to exercise.

Like, if you were at your healthy state/BMI/whatever, you'd get a small tax rebate.

Not too huge to throw everything out of order, but just enough to get people to consider exercise. Like, two hundred bucks or three hundred off your taxes a year.

tldr goodboy points, but with real money.

>>8442145
That episode takes place in the future and with a lot of low-skill jobs automated, lots of people are simply employed as power generators with bikes and treadmills.

>>8436012
Ban heaters in houses. Cold -> increased thermogenesis -> fat gets oxidized faster

>>8437800
>>8437893
Education does not prevent one from becoming a landwhale.

>>8436012
Kill all the eaters.

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>>8438277
>universal healthcare
>destroy liberalism

Brainlet confirmed.

>>8440811
We don't put colours in our meat Amerifat.

>>8446152
Keep believing that

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>>8446160
You made a claim. Got any evidence?

>>8446163
Got nothing for beef, but (farmed) salmon for sure.

kill all americans and now 0% of the world is obese

>>8440776
>yellow fat permitted in quality beef
Urgh

>>8446226
China leads the world in fatties now

>>8446598
where the evidence you room temperature IQ swine

Let the economy crash again

>>8436012
Apply the carbon tax to food.

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>>8436156
>>8442132

>>8436012
>>8436018

induce lactation
fat is turned into milk
drain milk
drink milk
save world

>>8446609
>where the evidence you room temperature IQ swine

sauce!

https://thenanfang.com/china-highest-number-obese-people-world/

Now go kys you cucked brainlet.

>>8446709
What about males? Induce male lactation?

>>8436012
Release a plague that kills all crops and animals.

>>8436646
But "unhealthy" food isn't the problem. People aren't dying from vitamin deficiencies. They are dying from being hamplanets.

Hams that think "salad is healthy" and shit like that are missing the point. They can eat all of the kinds of disgusting food they want, they just need to eat less of it. CICO. That's it.

>Accelerationism

Google The Heart Attack Grill ABC News. Fucking genius.

>>8437953
Lol. This is /sci/ you retard. Eat as many carbs as you want, just don't eat more calories than you expend. It's literally that simple.

>>8437957
>>8438171
Cancer is a separate issue from obesity. Triage requires treating the worse emergency. Cancer and its causation are vastly more complex and related to genetic factors than the simple fundamental laws of thermodynamics. Hams need to eat less food, not certain kinds of food.

>>8437974
GOMAD skelly

>>8438277
No. Universal healthcare won't treat obesity directly. In fact, it's less viable with a sea of hams. Steroid and "chemicals" is some tinfoil hat crap. It's not what's making people fat. It might be giving people other problems, but it ain't making them fat.

I could gain 10 pounds in a month eating nothing but organic non-gmo split peas and other vegan crunchy still.

>>8447862
Different types of foods have different effects on the body. The addictive properties of sugar and simple carbs lens themselves to obesity. Plus the lack of vitamins in the diet leaves the body hungry. Getting more wholesome foods as the norm would surely help with obesity.

>>8447865
Yes, they have different effects on the body. But if obesity is the question and not anything else, the cure is less calories, period, the end. All of the fatlogic in the world will not make a person on keto diet who eats over TDEE lose weight.

The fact that /sci/ is confused by all of these memes means the problem has metastasized.

Give me 1500 kcal of McDonalds every day and you eat 3800 kcal of organic non-GMO vegan gluten free anything you want and at the end of the month, I will lose about 5 pounds if I a, almost entirely sedentary and you will gain about 5 pounds even if you exercise 30 minutes per day.

>>8447865
That's like saying cutting heroin will make people quit smack. This has been tried with "light" cigarettes. People just smoke more.

The problem is mostly psychological. Taking carbs away from hams will just make them go broke eating bacon, cheese, and butter.

Putting a planet on keto or any other guidelines just makes them think they're eating healthy.

If you want to cure obesity, give everyone a calorie tracker and make the data even better and make fatlogic and haes illegal.

>>8436012
Put fatties in jail.

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my class say [no physical exercise,the class would get stinks from sweat]
my response [u r nut hav cancer,u r cancer]

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we need to change deez perspective soon or

>>8436012
Make all food taste horrible

>>8449013
Your mom can't cook for everybody on earth.

>>8442285
doh b-but it's not hooman

>>8436012
We can't

It's inevitable

>>8436012
-Ban soft drinks
-Make calories on packaging say how much the whole item contains
-Charge higher insurance premiums for people that are fat without underlying health issues that CAUSE that excess weight (for countries that charge for health insurance, for other countries charge small premiums for doctor visits that are due to weight).
-Impose a sugar tax and use that money to subsidise either healthy foods or hospitals
-Impose fast food taxes

Optional: Make fat shaming a social obligation

>>8436012
easy, stop idealising the ideal body to something that is impossible for people who work office hours

make a culture in which the most sexy idealistic is just an ok looking skinny fat, and no one will be fat ever again


the thing is that righ tnow youre either super hot or super despicable

>>8450592
>easy, stop idealising the ideal body to something that is impossible for people who work office hours
Excuses

>make a culture in which the most sexy idealistic is just an ok looking skinny fat, and no one will be fat ever again
You can't possibly believe that. People aren't fat because it's just too hard not to be. It's fucking easy. It's not even anything that takes any kind of actual work or effort. You just don't eat like a pig, voila. You don't need to spend hours in the gym. Nobody expects you to look ideal. In case you have a binary brain that only allows you to look perfect or not try at all, then that's your problem, not everyone's.

>the thing is that righ tnow youre either super hot or super despicable
That's not true at all. Sure, in case you are some 600 lbs monster, then you have a long fucking way to go from circus freak to acceptable. But for normal people who are just somewhat overweight, every pound they lose translates directly into a better perception by others. Going from visibly overweight to even skinnyfat makes an enormous difference.

>>8450663
im just sayin, ideal body tipe is cultural.

so, just impose the body type of someone who walks to work and back everyday and keeps at around 15-20% body fat as the ideal of beauty

which is more than enough to prevent any health ill effects


there, bam, being "fit" is suddenly super accesible and desirable

>>8450671
>im just sayin, ideal body tipe is cultural.
Maybe, but that doesn't make it something that is easily changed.

>so, just impose the body type of someone who walks to work and back everyday and keeps at around 15-20% body fat as the ideal of beauty
It doesn't represent anything desirable or impressive (people think low bodyfat and large muscles are hot because they know how hard it is to get there. It's part of the appeal). Ideals exist to push us further, not trap ourselves into our comfort zones. You are also implying that for someone who works it's impossible to put just some effort into his health. It's not impossible at all.

>there, bam, being "fit" is suddenly super accesible and desirable
It's not that easy.
I don't understand your premise that in order to motivate people they NEED to reach the ideal, nothing more and nothing less. I was fat as a teen, lost weight, made exercising part of my routine. I don't look impressive, but I feel good about it. I don't need to reach the ideal to feel that people are now perceiving me differently. I have fairly low but sustainable bodyfat (~11%), visible abdominal muscles ("sixpack") etc, and all it takes me is half an hour of exercise a day. I don't need to go to the gym for that, I have everything I need at home. I don't need to obsess over what I eat either, I just got used to two meals a day and I just don't drink/eat things with obvious insane amounts of sugar in it. How is that considered impossible? It's literally possible for every fucking person. And I DO work office hours.

>>8450698
>Ideals exist to push us further, not trap ourselves into our comfort zone
current ideals are make to put people into a consuming frenzy and feel disatisfied.

a more reasonable beauty ideal will go a long way

actually just stop all media promoting unreachable physiques, both for girls and boys and you will get a sharp decline in body issues

>>8450706
If you really believe that fatties will be any less fat when you tell them they now need to lose 10 pounds less, then you are mistaken. I'd bet that the truth is even the opposite. The problem is simply that people are taught incredibly stupid eating habits. They are never encouraged to practice any self-discipline whatsoever. On the other hand, they are encouraged to look for their problems somewhere else, not within themselves. And in the end they are simply fucking stupid overall. Fatties aren't trying really hard and failing. The typical fatty is basically an addict and looking for an excuse for his/her condition as hard as he/she can. The thought to actually go ahead and try scares those people. So much, that the idea to be able to just blame "unreachable physiques" seems rather convenient. So what I read in your posts really is just a apologist fatty in denial.

>>8450714
nah, you have very poor understanding of the anguish and motivations that lead people to channel mind stress into overeating habit.

you just dont know how life works.

>>8436012
Medfag here. Had to dissect a morbidly obese corpse a couple of weeks ago. It was absolutely disgusting, all organs were covered in fat and contained huge amounts of fat inside too. Peritoneal cavity contained so much blubber that finding intestines was not an easy task. There was a 1 cm fat layer even between muscles.

There should be shock images in the media to make people realize what they are doing to their bodies.

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>>8450722
medfag, question, im fatty but not morbid currently recovering

ive heard that fat cells actually shrink when i lose weight, any way to permanently kill them?

any fat loss advice?

>>8450726
Yes, the cell volume shrinks. The number of the cells takes a long time to decrease. Easiest way to get rid of the cells is liposuction. But if you manage to control your energy intake, the number of cells doesn't matter that much.

Long-lasting oxidative exercise is good for fat loss. Fatty acid oxidation begins after around 20-30 mins of continuous activity. Endurance training leads to best results.

Take long walks, swim, ride a bike, jog etc. Make some short bursts of running while walking or jogging.

Remember to eat healthily.

>>8450726
damn son, thats nasty.
>not morbid
haha, kill yourself faggot, why should i pay for your medical bills

>>8450737
so, it is my understanding that if cals in vs cals out checks out you are 100% guaranteed to lose weight because the energy has to come from somehwere

but besides that, are tehre any other fat burning mechanisms?

>>8450737
>>8450726
Also, cold environment increases energy consumption.

>>8450749
Lifting. Your body will break down what you have to make up for the calorie deficit. If you are using your muscles (and helping them strengthen with a high protein diet) your body will more readily get the cals from your body fat rather than your muscles. Weight loss (and thus calorie deficit) should be the #1 priority if you are unhealthily overweight though.

>>8447862
You are wrong, but thanks for this:
>Google The Heart Attack Grill ABC News. Fucking genius.
I mean that's kind of the issue, no? You can tell some people all the information that eating that much greasy food will kill you.
But they don't care, because they like it, because it is their freedom etc. What should you do with those people? The guy in the video knows that there's a certain kind of people that simply don't care.
>>8439304
>lol where do you live that smoking is a social taboo?
Maybe that stretches things a bit, but at least smoking inside has become more or less a taboo. Smoking itself, less so. The Netherlands by the way.

I suppose it matters which group of people we are talking of.

>>8450717
>you just dont know how life works.
Said the fatty

Work camps to set people free

>>8436142
As a non-fatty imposing a tax on any kind of food really rubs me the wrong way.

>>8451112
We just gotta load the recovery disk

>>8450726
Is your underwear and room my little pony shit? You needed to white it all out?

>>8450717
>nah, you have very poor understanding of the anguish and motivations that lead people to channel mind stress into overeating habit.
I'll come to your defense anon. I wrote that we shouldn't safe the unhealthy eaters that don't want to change.

But there's also people who do want to change their habitats, but who still might fail, I think it is fair to save them.

But those kind of people that know the risk but don't want to change: fuck them. We shouldn't waste time treating those people. Maybe they deserve a second chance, I dunno.

I find it especially unfair when there's people not taking responsibility for their actions and expecting a solution without changing the cause of their problems.

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Ban all chemicals like parabens, estrogen in beef/milk, BPA/BPS and tryclosan that raise estrogen levels

And any chemicals that interfere with test levels

Doctors should have to take testosterone deficiency from lifestyle/diet as seriously as diabetes and cancer and get patients to correct diet/lifestyle/chemical exposure


Higher test = Less fat gain and more fat burning

PIC RELATED

>>8436012
Educate people about health.
Medicate people that have appetite issues.
EZ.

>>8436012
End corn subsidies.

>>8451437
>Educate people about health.
So why is that not working currently? Hmmm.
>Medicate people that have appetite issues.
What about side-effects desu?

>>8451437
>Educate people about health.
The problem is that there's really no consensus on what to eat. It's usually either ignored, overcomplicated or plain wrong. Many people have a very emotional relation to food and that kind of ruins everything.

>Medicate people that have appetite issues.
>appetite issues
What is that supposed to be? Also, there really is no medication that suppresses appetite without major side effects. That's why they literally stitch rubber bands around the opening of people's stomachs.

>>8451489
>The problem is that there's really no consensus on what to eat.
Well, I recently read a textbook on nutrition, so there is some consensus.
But if you start reading what individual scientists recommend there's a lot of disagreement.

I know of one young scientist who thinks most starch products should be avoided. That milk is bad for your digistive system. He bases some of his arguments on the science of aging. You won't find this kind of stuff in a nutrition textbook.

Not to mention there's lobbying and shilling going on. So there's also plenty of misinformation.

>>8451379
[broscience intensifies]

Subsidize producers who use cane sugar and penalize producers who use high fructose corn syrup to the point that it'd be more expensive to use it than cane sugar.

>>8451577
That wouldn't do much at all except make sugary things slightly more expensive. Mexico uses sugar over HFCS and they're fat as fuck.

>>8451577
How is cane sugar healthier than HFCS?

Bomb America.

>>8451507
>Well, I recently read a textbook on nutrition, so there is some consensus.
>But if you start reading what individual scientists recommend there's a lot of disagreement.
"Consensus" literally means "general agreement". So, no, there is no consensus.

>>8451577
>substitute one sugar for another

People are this stupid my man...

>>8451590
>fructose is not affective on hepatic glucose metabolism
Look bud, you literally drank the cola on this one - gtfo.

>>8453071
honestly looking like the best option;
2) remove immunity in the world court for americans

>>8451445
7.5/10
>>8451379
>belly fat isn't a normal part of a high-test man's life
yep, ok
exercise more, eat less, eat more fibre, eat less pure-calorie food ( protein-less food )

>>8451119
so do your inner thighs, but you don't come online to complain about it

>>8436142
there already is a fattax you nublet its called insurance

>>8437974
count your calories man, I honestly doubt you have your Daily + activity levels
>>8439304
this kind of superficial thinking is why america is turning into a shithole