Is a true technocracy even possible? Is it desirable?

kys commie

No and yes.

I want utopia.

>>8434101
Let's hope not.

No.

>>8434234
Why not? I have so much more faith in academics than I do in politicians

I can't think of any better form of government than the technically elite.

In theory yes but practically there is a possibility of failure because there have never been a technocracy before

>>8434539
>practically there is a possibility of failure

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>>8434539
>there have never been a technocracy before
communist countries were more or less technocratic (or rather tried to be that)

>>8434101
>Is a true technocracy even possible?

No, because of inevitable corruption.

> Is it desirable?

From an ethical point of view, nah. It's very similar to Eugenics.

From a technical point of view, yes, very.

>>8434841
How the fuck is a technocracy similar to eugenics? Its about whos in government, not who reproduces you tard

>>8434846
"Only people who meet 'X' standard get to have 'Y' rights."

Sure, in eugenics, Y=reproducing and in a technocracy Y=government position. Those are very distinct rights, but in theory it's the same social structure.

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Here's why it's possible, but would never work. Or it would work really badly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qYBu07kvA

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>>8434279

academics are sjw cucks tax loving freedom hating fucking idiots

all they can do is math, but they're terrible autistic sociopaths

>>8434864
I guess our society is similar to eugenics then, because only people with certain qualifications or skills can work in certain jobs.

>>8434539
>what is the EU

>>8434893

a very very cucked shithole

>>8434893
Everything that a technocracy isn't

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In China, eight of the top nine political posts in the Communist Party are held by engineers. The leaders of the Chinese Communist Party are also the world's most successful capitalists of all time. Technocracy is real and it werks.

>>8434905
Who holds the other one?

>>8434887
That's a bad analogy. Having the right to work or not would be a better comparison.

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>>8434913
probably a lawer or marxist philosopher.

Previous Chinese President:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Jintao
>He joined the Communist Party of China (CPC) in April 1964 and began to work as an engineer in July 1965 after he graduated from the Water Conservancy Engineering Department of Tsinghua University, where he had a major in the study of hub hydropower stations.[7]

Current Chinese President:
>From 1975 to 1979, Xi studied chemical engineering at Beijing's prestigious Tsinghua University as a "Worker-Peasant-Soldier student", where engineering majors spent about one-fifth of their time studying Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong thought, doing farm work and "learning from the People's Liberation Army".[13]
>From 1998 to 2002, he studied Marxist philosophy and ideological education in an "on-the-job" postgraduate programme at the School of Humanities and Social Sciences, again at Tsinghua University, and obtained a Doctor of Law (LLD) degree, which was a degree covering fields of law, politics, management, and revolutionary history,[16] though commentators have questioned this qualification.[17]

>>8434101
>>>/pol/

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>>8434933
>tfw similar was possible here in russia
>tfw now we have a criminal gang as a government instead
Feels really bad man.

>>8434701
Communist/socialist countries were more totalitarion dictatorships than technocratic states.

The ruling elite believed in a select amount of dogmatic philosophical works like Das Kapital and stuff.
Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao et cetera were all revered to as God sent saviours. But to make their utopia they had to kill tens of millions of people because what they thought was irrelevant and contradicted with the 'saviours'.

>>8434101
>Is a true technocracy even possible?

A technocracy must contain scientists and experts at different policy making institutes. They must review policies like peer-reviewing in scientific magazines.

It's possible to engineer and build the 'best' bridge according to certain criteria.
What is the 'best' bridge?

Light?, Cheap?, Reliable?

What do people want in their country?
Short term or long term thinking?
Happiness or jobs?
More trees or more industry at expense of local health?
Cheaper healthcare?
Less restrictions on building houses?
Should it be legal to take a shit in the street?

Take notice of ideas what people want.
Keep that in mind while looking to cancel out contradicting stuff.
Everybody wants cheap healthcare, but who's going to pay that?
You can tax the rich to a certain point for this idea, but the rich will than move out of your country> no money!
Build a wall to keep the rich in?
What about freedom?

I think technocracy will, like all things, be possible in some extend. Like democracy.

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>>8434101
>Is a true technocracy even possible?
Yes
>Is it desirable?
Yes

>>8434905
"Works" doesn't necessarily mean "works well". Yes their country "works" and is economically successful, but it's at the expense of the people. Most Chinese are broke and poor.

>>8434980
To be fair, most Chinese people have always been poor

>>8434919
Not really. Anybody can become a scientist or engineer. In a technocracy, anybody would still be eligible for government, they'd just have to get some qualifications/experience first.

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>>8434980
>"Works" doesn't necessarily mean "works well". Yes America "works" and is economically successful, but it's at the expense of the people. Most Americans are broke and poor.

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>>8434101
>Technocracy
>Letting scholars be in total control
>An entire country based around the idiotic ideals that we've seen in the fall of Yale and other former-respected universities because their professors encouraged it before realizing what they did
No thank you.

>>8435038
> fall of Yale and other former-respected universities because their professors encouraged it before realizing what they did

care to expand?

>>8435054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgc0k594Js

>>8435096
>some undergrats getting salty means technocracy won't work

right

>>8435100
It's about letting it get to that level in the first place. That never should have happened but it was thought a good idea at the time by the very 'technocrats' that would be put in office.

It's what happens when you try to think something that sounds good on paper would work with something fickle and unpredictable; humans

>>8434878
The terrorists hate our freedom

>>8435103
I guess by that logic democracy doesn't work because we have SJW

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>>8435122
>America
>democracy

>>8434279
Once the academics take over, they ARE the politicians.

Better to have an incompetent dumbass trying to screw you over than a competent genius trying to do the same thing.

They tried this in the USSR and Nazi Germany. Always turns into some kind of dystopia.

>>8434905
If it works so well, why is nearly everyone there living in filth and poverty?

>>8434972
Technocracy is impossible without resorting to totalitarianism. Every person's utopia is someone else's hell.

>>8435204
>They tried this in the USSR and Nazi Germany
Nazi Germany was the definition of anti-intellectual. Why the fuck do you think they chased out all the Jews, including Einstein?

>>8435122
Haven't had a democracy in 25 yrs

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>>8435207
>If it works so well, why is nearly everyone there living in filth and poverty?

>>8435217
Yup 0.002% homeless rate in the US.
Our poverty line would put someone ahead of 90% of the population in China.
>>8435212
> Nazi
> anti-intellectual
Nope. Started as a technocracy. When it didn't work, they scapegoated the Jews and declared war on Europe.

>>8435241
>Yup 0.002% homeless rate in the US.
>Source: my ass
see pic. Even if we go only off of CHILDREN, America has over 1.5 million homeless kids. That's leaving out the adults.

>Our poverty line would put someone ahead of 90% of the population in China.
Our cost of living is higher than China too. Our poverty line is brutally low.

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>>8435241
>>8435247

>>8435250
At any given time, the total US homeless population is 1/3 of your numbers.
>memeposting

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>>8435241
Also, our homelessness statistics is being juked. Americans imprison homeless people instead of trying to legitimately solve the problem. America has more people incarcerated than the USSR did at the height of the GULAG program. Our incarceration rate is more than five times that of China.

>>8435255
>more [citation needed]
Guess that'll really be comforting for the MILLIONS of kids growing up homeless... They'll get a home eventually! (a foster home where they get raped)

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>>8435241
>Nope. Started as a technocracy.
Mmmm, technocracy.

Care to actually cite evidence for your absurd claims?

>>8435247
>Pic is a flat out lie.
http://www.endhomelessness.org/pages/snapshot_of_homelessness
>Propaganda much?

Move to China if you think it's so fucking great. I know plenty of people who've been there in the last 2 years, and they all agree it's a shithole.

>>8435261
> Care to actually cite evidence
> literally any history book
> can read?

>>8435096
is this what universities and their students look like in the USA?

>>8434101
Either you're exceptionally brilliant or you cheat, lie and steal to get ahead. Academics are long con operators. They want tenure or funding or just admiration. The morality of the playing field gravitates to the lowest common denominator. The bottomfeeders, in the academic bracket, hang out on reddit.com/r/science where they get their dick sucked by popsci fags because they will never amount to anything. It's the only attention they could hope to get. If you really think they're any better, you're a naive little gent who needs to return his rented tux.

>>8436036
No, this is what one university looked like at one point in time There are a select few other instances.

>>8435122
most of the US population does work that is above menial labour tasks. the US is a cutting edge economy, for the economy to work the people must be educated to be educated they need to be fed and housed. Because of this the people are more aware so if the government is cheating it's people they will stop working as hard and make the economy grind to a hault wealth just stops, and the US would be in turmoil all cutting edge economies have democracy's because they are more likely to invest in people due to legislation and a need of an educated population. and unable to force people with guns to 'learn' and operate financials systems.

>>8434905
China will reach hardship when Vietnam and India have lower wages then them and China will begin to grow out of it's production line based economy, just like the US did in the 50's

>>8434841
how is a technocracy desirable from a technical standpoint???? the government can watch your every move, especially considering once a technocracy is in place I bet it would be virtually impossible to take down, fucking awesome it would be so shit

"one who sacrifices freedom for security does not deserves either" -quote from I can't remember

>>8435212
Oy vey (((anonberg))) let's neglect research into rocketry or genetics

>>8436268
>people are more aware so if the government is cheating it's people they will stop working as hard and make the economy grind to a hault wealth just stops

you are extremely deluded if you actually believe this

>>8435038
Why do people feel the need to bring SJW into fucking everything?

>>8435126
US is terribke at democracy but there are plenty of good examples. Including your neighbors to the north. Most of the well functioning democracies have a small leaning of socialism

>>8436268
>how is a technocracy desirable from a technical standpoint???? the government can watch your every move, especially considering once a technocracy is in place I bet it would be virtually impossible to take down, fucking awesome it would be so shit
So...the US is a technocracy?

>>8434101
I dream of a world where the people elect a congress of artificial intelligences to represent them.

>>8436783
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