Give it to me straight, /sci/, how long we got?

It's probably nothing

>>8310823
Well it's not like the world is going to end, it's just going to suck progressively worse.

Personally, I'm more worried that coffee will go near extinct.

>>8310823
At current rate we'll hit 450 ppm CO2 around 2030. Then the world will heat by itself, even if we emit zero zip nothing.

>>8310938
just like my animes

>>8310897
This sounds worse than this
>>8310938

>>8310942
Oh it sounds that bad and worse, when you get into the details and spell everything out. And of course, that includes the coffee.

Myself, I'm feeling hopeful that we get to the point of lighting a fire under our asses and getting things done. Not that we can actually do much about the warming at that point, but I imagine focused bioengineering should at least fix the food supply issues. And if it leads to the death of the politics and general stupidity that leads to the crisis then all the better.

As a bonus, we'll eventually loose florida. Good riddance.

>>8310997
>As a bonus, we'll eventually loose florida. Good riddance.
w-will we be rid of cali too senpai?

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>>8311072
No, but the valley would be filled so the parts you'd object to are likely gone.

>>8311085
Shit sorry, that was lower quality than I thought. Well you get the idea, google if you want better.

If the planet starts warming itself, then could we nuke china and india?

>>8311145
>If the planet starts warming itself
It won't though. Carbon-consuming flora will simply flourish and save our asses.

>>8311160
The limiting factor in algal growth is nitrogen, not co2

>>8311165
Shame there's not much of that around.

>>8311165
I thought industrial processes were making shitloads of that too.

>>8311171
The limiting factor in nitrogen fixation isn't atmospheric nitrogen, but concentration of special nitrogen-fixing bacteria.

>>8311174
Yeah but it's hard to deliver to algae without using too much and destroying the entire ecosystem because the algae grows too fast and blocks sunlight from penetrating the water.

>>8311165
>The limiting factor in algal growth is nitrogen, not co2

>have a floating thingy which pumps air underwater, aerating it
>suddenly moar nitrogen
>????
>profit?

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>>8311165
Isnt nitrogen the most abundant gas on earth ?
I think this whole climate change shit should be contained in /pol/, the world is older than the 1800s there were periods of time with more heat and life flourished, this is just politics.

>>8311187
We have lots of N2, but it doesn't do much of anything. The other forms of nitrogen that actually do things are created by natural processes and serve a role in the ecosystem. But also, way more are created by industry and cause their own slew of problems. Acidification, most notably.

>>8311183
blue-green algae (ie cyanobacteria) are nitrogen fixing you massive retard.

>>8311187
>there were periods of time with more heat and life flourished
We aren't implying life will end because of the heat, rather that the current ecosystem the supports the human population would be in tatters and we'd lose much of value besides.

>>8311174
The atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, but not in an easily used form

>>8311160
This is probably correct.
I'm in the middle of reviewing a 15 year research project looking at the changes in plant (most specifically tree) growth that compares current growth to growth in higher CO2 conditions.

What's been observed is that trees tend to grow significantly better for certain portions of their life cycle in high CO2 conditions and the added boost while not on a small scale significant will likely lead to improved rates of carbon sequestration.
Additionally, many pests and blights such as powdery mildew actually function very very poorly in higher CO2 conditions, so until evolution catches up with many plant pathogens we are likely going to lose a lot of subarctic arboreal pests and we could end up with widespread movement of nasty stuff from the tropics.

>>8311201
>rather that the current ecosystem the supports the human population would be in tatters
I don't think you can even claim this for sure, temperature rise will see arable land lost to flooding and desertification but it also will allow farming in shitholes like siberia.
In any case controlling the explosive population growth of Africa and Asia seems more productive to the cause of sustainability than whinnying

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>>8310823
Well you can expect about 1 - 3 billion refugees immigrating to the West for sure

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>>8311214
Time to start learning Japanese then.
I don't even like Asians but well what other choice do I have if I want to raise a family and see my children have their own in safety.

>>8311208
Even if the climate becomes more favorable to farming in certain locations, doesn't mean the soil can live up to the same potential. And it's pretty much certain that whatever gets better will be outweighed by what gets worse.

>>8311221
Become a warlord, slaughtering and enslaving both invading foreigners and your undeserving countrymen to secure a future for you and yours, borne in blood.

>>8311221
Are you thinking of becoming a refugee and trying to emigrate to Japan?

>>8311221
You mean China right? Japan will see a drop in crop yield in that graph

>>8311214
Chile and New Zealand seem comfy.

>>8311223
>And it's pretty much certain that whatever gets better will be outweighed by what gets worse.
Oh well. We've too many people already.

>>8311304
Enjoy being flooded with refugees.

>>8311306
>implying we'll let them in

>>8311309
Yeah, probably.

>>8311312
Food, shelter and aid for all. If you volunteer for the sterilization.

Can we create clouds synthetically to block out the sun?

What the fuck we gonna do

>>8311322
That'd be a temporary solution at best, if you had a way to do it at all. And if you did, you'd end up lowering crop yields anyway due to lack of sunlight.

he'll be fine

>>8310823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_4Z1oiXhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_4Z1oiXhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_4Z1oiXhY

Militaries are preparing now. What will happen is that countries near the equator and the tropics will starve first, and they'll flee to the subtopics. The current immigrant crisis isn't shit compared to hundreds of millions that will be flooding Europe and northern Asia and the U.S. from Mexico and Latin America. War will break out, the starving masses will raid and pillage whatever they can to survive.

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>>8310897
Fuck no coffee!? All this time I thought al gore was a sad faggot when he was just trying to save me

>>8311085
>underestimating dutch water management

Sucks for you guys, but my house in Houston is going to be beachfront property

Lets nuke the sun to stop global warming

>>8311405
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/impacts-of-climate-on-coffee.html#.V8cHJHTn_qA
The decline is already well underway.

Man climate scientists are retards, just go inside and turn on the air conditioner, it's not that hard to figure out.

The GISS, the data you posted, is obtained from surface instruments. It is notoriously unreliable and its urban heat island problems are well documented.

Satellite data shows no warming for 15-20 years, depending on the particular data set. During that time, 1/3 of the CO2 man has released since 1750, has been emitted. And CO2 is supposed to be relatively immediate, with any after effects reduced.

Despite this failure, and the long string of failures going back decades, alarmists continue to make no revisions to their hypothesis.

The planet is warming slightly. Crop yields have gone up because of this. The IPCC itself says extreme weather is NOT caused by warming. This isn't a problem.

So come on, it's fucking getting boring at this point. Find a new Y2K, I'm tired of this shit already.

>>8311481
The CO2 increase is directly measurable, and it's general effects clearly predictable. You're either trolling or retarded.

>>8311481
t. oil shill
0.02$ has been deposited into your account.

>>8310938
What happens at 450? Methane caltrates start melting?

>>8311184
You have to be at least 18 years old to post on this board.

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>>8311322
> What the fuck we gonna do
Die on a mass scale.

> my house in Houston is going to be beachfront property
Do you think 100 million starving Mexicans aren't going to take that pretty beachfront house?

Texas is going to be a war zone as soon as the Mexican corn crop fails. The only reason it hasn't already failed is that the farmers are being subsidized with drug cartel money.

>>8311497
The permafrost in Russia and Canada melts, freeing methane, lots of it. Also, the warming sea absorbs less CO2. Guess the methane clathrate doesn't help either.

>>8311497
It's like a fireplace.
Add wood - warmer, stop adding - cooler.
After 2C / 450ppm, it's like the fire
got out and now the furniture is on fire.
Doesn't help that you no longer add wood,
the positive feedbacks keep hiking up the temperature.

>>8311512
>>>/pol/

>>8311490
>and it's general effects clearly predictable.

? Let me guess, you believe in the "green house effect" ?

>>8311696
fucking flat-earther
go to >>>/x/

>>8311696
More C02 traps more heat, senpai. Putting it in quotes doesn't deligitimize that.

>>8311701
I hate it when I go for the wrong O. Well whatever, that doesn't deligitimize it either.

>>8311701
but it doesn't

>>8311713
Prove it

http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect.htm

>>8311754
>inb4 attacking the website name instead of attacking the points the website addresses
Deniers are this predictable.

>>8311490

> CO2 general effects clearly predictable.

Saying THAT is either trolling or retarded.

We're smart. We'll probably end up fixing it before it gets too bad, or accidentally extinguish ourselves in attempting to do so.

>>8311085
>OMG the artict is gonna melt away
>Antarctic's sea ice larger than ever recorded before

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>>8311512
>as soon as the Mexican corn crop fails
Mexico already slashed its agricultural output by 80% due to NAFTA making it impossible to compete with the USA's massively subsidized industrial agricultural output.

In other words, they already import almost all their food, because it's cheaper than growing it themselves (and this is why, conversely, there's hardly any employment, and so many dust bowls - and why everyone's taken to joining the cartels.)

>>8311340
So you're voting for Trump right?

>>8311977
http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

>>8311604
Would the rich still be able to live in enclosed habitats?

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>>8311983
But that's wrong, you fucking retard. Also notice how you didn't post a citation. Kill yourself.

>>8311969
>We

>>8311481
>It is notoriously unreliable
Utter horseshit. Surface instruments are the most direct way of measuring global temps. This is pure wishful thinking so that you can deny what's right in front of your eyes.

>its urban heat island problems are well documented.
The UHI is corrected by homogenization which eliminates all local effects, and by direct categorization of urban areas through satellite imagery. And it doesn't affect the trend anyway:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/02/urban-heat-islands-and-u-s-temperature-trends/

>Satellite data shows no warming for 15-20 years, depending on the particular data set.
You know this is false and yet you continuously repeat it. It has been warming for the past 15 years, even though this is an arbitrary amount of time chosen solely because the 1998 El Nino heavily biases the trend. The fact that this is the #1 talking point of deniers and yet it is both false and disingenuous shows how delusional and lacking in integrity you people are. You will say anything to reach your preconceived conclusion.

>The IPCC itself says extreme weather is NOT caused by warming.
Another nonsensical lie. We are experiencing more and more record breaking temperatures and heat waves, and fewer cold days. Increased warming will and has been causing more heavy rainfall events in the tropics and more droughts everywhere. The IPCC clearly says this.

>>8311405
Who needs coffe when you have Adderal?

>>8311977
>not knowing that sea ice, melting or growing, has no effect on sea level rise, because it displaces water no matter what, whether it be liquid or solid
>not knowing that ice on land like continental antarctica or greenland is what contributes to sea level rise by melting or breaking off into the ocean

>>8312329
>Post chart that shows them literally importing over ten times as much corn as they are exporting, literally proving his point.
Before the 90's, Mexico used to import almost no foods, that's part of the reason Nafta was created, so they could no longer tariff imports.

>>8312838
NAFTA didn't increase unemployment in Mexico though. If anything, unemployment dropped in the years afterward and only went back up after the financial crisis.

>>8311481
Holy fuck this is the worst garbage I've ever seen on /sci/. Take a fucking cyanide pill before you infect someone else with your terminal retardation.

reminder global warming isnt a bad thing

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Leave global warming to me

We're already screwed.

There is no way to stop the temperatures from rising to the point that permafrost melts in major amounts. Which is going to release billions of cubic meters of methane into the atmosphere. Which is going to give us decades of super global warming. Then it will break down into CO2 and continue to warm for another century.

Globalist free trade policies are going to ensure that any reforms in energy production in the developed world, is undone by the dirty carbon emissions in the developing world. We are screwing our selves over for cheap consumer goods, and the profits of multinational corporations.

There isn't time to wait for wind/solar/etc to get better. We need to start a massive nuclear power plant construction program. Then get thorium reactors online to use old uranium fuel up.

Geoengineering projects need to be started.

Massive hydro engineering to protect vital cities and infrastructure from rising waters, and more flooding.

More dams and more reservoirs to hold onto scarce fresh water supplies.

Most importantly. We need to get population control going. China, India and SEAsia have 4 billion people. That number needs to be brought down by half by the end of the century. Africa, the middle east, and latin america needs to drop their birthrates to below replacement. There could be billions of Africans by the end of the century.

>>8310897
>Well it's not like the world is going to end

You're joking. The generally accepted projection is 200 million displaced by 2050. The Syrian refugee crisis has displaced ~4.8 mil and already strains political order in the most developed regions on Earth. This is it, actual miracles aside.

>>8311696
Let me guess, you've never been in a "hot room with a lot of windows"?

>>8313236
Europe is going to break. Some countries will go Reichmode, and some will desperately cling to their egalitarianism. Trying to take in more rapefugees while also fighting the Reich nations.

>>8313248
Enough nukes in Europe that this would be curtains.

Heating will increase exponentially from this point forward. If we don't do anything to prevent it within a couple of years, we'll have a major food crisis in the 30s and a billion refugees by the 2040s and 1/4th of the land mass gone by the 2050s... By 2200 there won't be any land left.

>>8313236
Are you idiots still falling for global warming.

Most of the data has been shown to be skewed or manipulated.

>>8311481
He's right, GISS data has replaced non-urban monitors with urban monitors. The urban heat island effect makes these monitors hotter because they are in urban environments. The "country" monitors are being shut down and replaced.

Satellite data shows no warming, but somehow land data shows extreme warming? One of them must be wrong right? We are /sci/ right? If I was to tell you that someone just proved the existence of space ether, you would all doubt the validity of the paper, because you understand how contrary evidence works.

>>8312423
>"Surface instruments are the most direct way of measuring global temps"

On land maybe. But if you haven't noticed, most of the Earth isn't earth.

>"The UHI is corrected by homogenization which eliminates all local effects"

That's science talk for "we skewed the data to fit the model"

>"You know this is false and yet you continuously repeat it."

In Vegas, I believe the phrase is "show me the money"

>"We are experiencing more and more record breaking temperatures and heat waves, and fewer cold days."

This has been proven to be a problem of local historical perception. Every generation has thought that it's years were record breaking. This has actually been a documented effect since back in the 1800s.
Don't reply to me until you educate yourself:
https://youtu.be/Gh-DNNIUjKU
This thread is filled with fucking sheep.

T. Meteorologist/climate scientist. I've been working in this field for 30 years, and it pains me every time I see one of my colleagues fall for the global warming myth to get government funding.

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>If the alarmist crowd was serious about fighting AGW
>Pic related

Instead of ramping up nuclear power, Bill Nye the Communist Guy wants to fight global warming with wealth redistribution. It's almost as if he's use the AGW scare to push through his political agenda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBeq0i03bg

>>8313319
Yes, because that's what the richest and most powerful organizations in the world would want - a conspiracy for wealth redistribution from top to bottom.

...Do you fucks even listen to yourselves?

>>8313334

http://investmentwatchblog.com/soros-trains-socialists-to-combat-populists-brags-about-propaganda-to-brand-police-as-racist-runs-online-voting-in-utah-and-across-the-us-gives-650000-in-cash-to-blm-for-fomenting-violent-revolut/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-30/george-soros-s-tax-bill

It's the wealth of the middle class that will be redistributed, not theirs.

Now go fuck yourself with an electric cattle prod and don't forget to switch it, you cum-guzzling piece of shit.

>>8313288
>to get government funding

http://www.nature.com/news/job-cuts-in-australia-target-climate-scientists-1.19313

>>8310834
There hasn't be any snow in my town for 4 years straight now. While it used to be each year.
And summer was never reaching 40°C in far north France

>>8311085
>Florida is drowning
Well this is not a bad thing, right?

>>8313288
>been working in this field for 30 years
sure you have, you're nothing but an retard ball-scratching right wing nut shitposter.

>>8311939
I meant that as in a "numbers get bigger sense" not that details are easy to discern. That was unclear, my apologies.

>>8310938

what is a carbon sink?

>>8313355
Last time I checked, I don't live in Australia, dumbass.

>>8313378
Sorry, 29 years, it will be 30 this year, you retard, ball-scratching high-schooler. And fyi I voted democrat until Obama's second term.

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>>8313966

Okay; I also know CO2 causes atmosphere to release less heat, raising temperature. I'm no longer a "climate change denier" after that huge distributed-computing climate modelling project proved Earth is - slowly, very gradually - getting hotter. What I'm still not convinced is, global warming being a bad thing. Bad (and fast) enough to offset the benefits of using cheaper technology and cheaper oil/energy to boost life standard of a planet whose population is concentrated in Third World countries and to lower living costs. Brazil for example adopted a massive, expensive program of natural gas power plants construction some years ago, and was praised by international community for it since those plants are far less polluting; but a thing international community don't see is the despair in the face of those millions of 10 USD/day urban workers (not to mention the 3 USD/day rural workers) when electricity bill gets a big raise because "normal", "older" power plants didn't deliver enough past month so those "lovely", "eco-glamorous" things had to be turned on.

Poles were ice-free during 76% of Phanerozoic Eon and along the remaining 24% of it ice goes back and forth as interglacial/interstadial periods succeed. Mother Nature wants things being this way and now She will want this temporary climatic abnormality we live nowadays (called Quaternary Glaciation, started 2.58 million years ago) to end. Paleo-climatologists showed ice-free Earth as a well balanced world - and usually a paradise compared to modern Earth. Since climate sciences are in its childhood, however, we are scared to what will happen when world climate goes back to its TRUE normal

So what this thread is saying is we need to kill a bunch of Latin Americans, Asians, ME's, and Africa to be alright in the future and not starve to death by 2050.

>>8314595
>after that huge model proved earth is getting warmer
>model
>proved
You need to stop posting at this point.

>>8314680
* huge distributed-computing climate modelling project

Fixed that for you.

Also, I recommend you to learn more about distributed-computing projects and model validation methodologies before deciding who can or cannot post. Unless you didn't finish college or ended up in a McJob or as a 9-5 cubicle monkey due to lackluster academic performance, since in this case the underlying principles of such topics would be beyond your ability to understand.