I hate biologists.

75% of people that throw out statistics never provide a source.

biologists > trash > mathematicians > physicists

>>8302297
Don't really need a source for that

Consider the following:

100% of people who successfully commit suicide are dead

>>8302305
lmao

mathematical biology >> everything else.

inb4 bu-but the wonder of the universe and abstract concepts
no thanks i'm not autistic, unless it's practical it's useless.

>>8302309
where do you think you are?

>>8302287

dawkins is a fucking sophist not a biologist

>>8302287
I stopped caring about biology when I was introduced to the concept of evolution. What a crock of shit. If the genesis of your species can only be explained by inventing lineages that can't exist, like some kind of biology deity , then you are fucking wrong and the biology is flawed.

>>8302287
This is kind of a non-statement

50% is below

50% is above

what is the point of his tweet?

>>8302318
I think it's kind of a reality check. Kind of like a ripoff of that George Carlin quote e.g. "think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of em are stupider than that"

>>8302307
Depends if IQ is broken down on a normal distribution. For example if you have 3 IQ scores one is 10, one is 100 and the last is 101. Then two of the IQ scores of the three would be above average.

>>8302318
It's also only true for a perfect normal distribution. Clusters at either end and far outliers will shift the percentage of people above/below average. There could be 99 people with a score of 100 and 1 person with a score of 150 and 99% would be below average.
And while there exist numerous possibilities of acquiring brain damage and lowering scores, there are few options for raising it, so a real IQ distribution is probably inflated on the low side.

>>8302340
>only true for a perfect normal distribution
Actually it's true for any distribution which is symmetric about the mean.

>>8302317

sounds like you just can't wrap your head around it

>>8302287
basic biological sciences fags drive up the price of my major-PremedBio

>>8302346
It's a meme you dip.

>>8302367
Fluoride causes cancer

>>8302287
LOL.
Atheistic fuck thinks we're all Africans.
Nah son, that is just the descendants of Ham.

>>8302287
He means the median, right?

>>8302374
so does formaldehyde but I don't think you're gonna stop touching all sorts of plastics, furnishings, varnishes, finishes, resins, any sort of oil based compount at all.

>>8302383
I think he is assuming a normal distribution

>>8302398
which it is, by any metric commonly used.

>>8302402
Sort of. I think the evidence shows that there are multiple groups of roughly normally distributed groups. If you look at total population as a whole it is not one perfect normal distribution with 100 as the average and median.

>>8302287
I thought the average intelligence denoted a range, not a number. Something like [95,115]

>>8302317
kek, I'm actually okay with this meme becoming widespread for all natural sciences on /sci/

>>8302318
I'm not sure, but I think that's the joke.

>>8302307
People who make bullshit a priori statements eventually die 100% of the time,

>>8302317
I stopped caring about Mathematics when I was introduced to the concept of Choice. What a crock of shit. If your theorems can only be proved by inventing absurdly powerful axioms that don't adhere to intuitionism, like some kind of mathematical deity, then you are fucking wrong and the system is flawed.

>>8302316

why do you think he is a sophist?

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Not true. There are certain percentage [math]p[/math] that have IQ of 100.

Thus [math]50-p[/math] has IQ below average, [math]50-p[/math] has IQ above average.

>>8303276
ky

>>8302339
He's not talking about IQ but intelligence, which makes it even more retarded as there's no way to quantify that.

>>8303280
But 50% is below average regardless of being able to be quantified.

>>8303284
No, that's assuming a distribution where the means is the median.

>>8302309
>Be biologist
>"Oh No! people from [scientific field requiring more talent] have started tackling problems in our field and are making more contributions than we are!"
>"That's okay, we'll just add "biologist" onto the end of their existing title and then everybody will think they're with us!"

>>8303291
Yes?

>the median raw score of the norming sample is defined as IQ 100

>>8303280
IQ is the scientific definition of intelligence.

>>8302287
That's not necessarily true though

Middle school Life science teacher here.

I hate teaching any life science because there's so little connection between the units I am required to teach. Let alone what you learn in College. Biology is such a fucking broad subject its stupid.

I feel like quitting after this year and going back for a math or chemistry degree. At least with those degrees, you build off each unit with more in-depth information to teach, making past units relevant as a teacher.

Teaching Biology is retarded as each unit is unrelated to each other.

"okay class we're talking about Photosynthesis and Respiration"

"Okay class, our next unit is body systems"

Fuck and the stupid questions I get in life science piss me off. I envy the lack of questions chemistry and physics teachers must get.

>>8303308
>Teaching Biology is retarded as each unit is unrelated to each other.

Do you understanding what you're teaching or are you just relying on memorisation?

>>8302305
spot the bioligist

>>8302287
This concludes our math prerequisites for biology, class

>>8303315
You can't teach what best for the students to understand, you teach what the state requires you to teach for the standardized tests or your ass gets fired.

Would I teach from smallest (cells) to largest (Ecosystems) if I could? Yes. But I am not being "asked" to.

>>8303321
Yea, my shitposting is outside of requirements, gotta do what you gotta do to some extent

>public understanding

>>8303319
chemistry undergad actually

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Wow! Funny, atheist science man steels jokes too!

>>8302377
/x/ is over that way, friend

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>>8302287
Based racial realist Dawkins.

>>8302317
> your species can only be explained by inventing lineages that can't exist
I know, right. Like, evolution predicts that humans and spiders can have a common ancestor that shares both the features of a spider and a human. However, that common acnestor would also have to have the features of all the other mammals, because the spider-human ancestor would also be the acnestor of all mammals. That gets to be pretty complex.
if you think about it, the common ancestor between humans and spiders is actually physically IMPOSSIBLE. Just think about the number of legs it would have had. Spiders have eight legs, humans have two, so you might think the common ancestor should have had 5 legs. However, the human-spider ancestor would have t o have had the features of the common ancestor of MAMMALs, not just humans. Since humans have 2, and other mammals have 4, then the number for the mammal ancestor would be 3. The spider-human ancestor would be (8+3)/2, which is 5.5. The human-spider ancestor would have to have had 5.5 legs, which is not a possible number of legs. If you have half a leg, it's not really a leg. You can have 5 legs, you can have 6 legs, but you can't have 5.5 legs. I think this means humans and spider would not have had a common ancestor, so they are from separate lineages in a family tree. Spiders might be the brother-in-law, and humans would be the brothers

>>8302309
While I agree with you I also understand that the degree of problems in natural science that can be solved with mathematics is at present a minute speck. With all the talk of how general math has gotten there sure isn't a whole bunch in Biology that can be modelled without making a ton of ramifications and restrictions on what you are looking at (the worst of which is assuming linearity)
I have hopes for the application of fractals but even with the buzz over the past 3 decades there really hasn't been entirely too much to show for it.

>>8304222
Nothing in that image mentions race.

>>8304244
Did you really just type all of that out ironically?

>>8303276
Assuming he is talking percentiles then 50th percentile means 50% of the population is less than or equal to you in intelligence so yes, you have to take away from 50% that subset having exactly average intelligence, but he can probably be forgiven for using a strict order since its punchier and it takes up less twitter characters. Thanks

>>8304275
Not just now ;)

>>8302287
Well, you know what they say about statistics

The N's justify the means.

>>8304289
Are you implying that the sample sizes of surveys of intelligence are too low? Because IQ test data is some of the most readily available data there is. The only conceivable bias would be from the fact that its taken at school so those who dont attend school are not taken into account, however that is generally due to economic rather than intellectual problems. Thanks

>>8302327
This, generally statements like these are intended to be sobering for those of us who lie above the average, especially for those who lie above it by a significant margin.

>>8304306
I wonder if the surveys of IQ could be biased by intelligence levels, as well as the person administering the test's educational background. Like, if you think nutrition plays a role, would you be more likely to pass a healthy person?

>>8304336
The administrative body comes nowhere near the students, there is a supervisor and thats it. The tests are graded by a computer automatically. Shouldn't be any human bias present.

>>8304306
Slow your autism. I was only making a math joke you sperg.

>>8304349
Right but the joke really doesn't make sense in this context because there was in fact a large N available. Thanks

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I hate physicists.

>>8303307
It is true in any given population if you define the average within that population. Sure you can look at one population and define it in terms of some other population, but what's the point of that?

You could get a room of super geniuses together and still half of them would be dumber than the other half, unless they were all equally intelligent which doesn't really happen.

The only caveat is when you have large populations where a significant number of individuals that fall exactly on the mean. An example is if you have four dudes with a 90IQ then four dudes with a 110IQ and another four dudes with 100IQ. In that population only 33% of those individuals will be above the mean and only 33% will be below the mean. Though in most cases you can argue that the number of individuals who fall precisely on the mean is relativity insignificant.

>>8302287
That's a weird way to look at it, aren't over 50% of people within a few standard deviations of the mean?

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>>8304260
But he mean it.
Since whites are roughly 15% of Earth's population and put also the East Asians and they make 50%.

>>8304392
>everything meets Muh pol narrative!
>le ebin western civilization statue
Fuck off back to the Sargon of Akkad fanclub

>>8304384
Assuming a normal distribution then 68% are within one standard deviation of the mean, however if you have a large variance that loses its significance as you can be within 1 stddev and be dozens of IQ points below someone within the same stddevs from the mean.

>>8304406
I know /sci/ is full of BS lefties, but lets be ralist here.
Blacks and Abbos lack IQ.
While the average White IQ is 100, the average Black is 85.

Our history also proves it.While whites and asians were creating civilizations before Christ, the blacks were still living in their mud huts, having only invented the spear.Not even the wheel.

>Sargon of Akkad
Alt-right faggot.

>>8304379
What about if you had three guys with 110IQ and one guy with 50IQ? Then wouldn't only the 50IQ guy be below average?

>>8304418
*realists

>>8304384
>>8304413
Interestingly this kind of 'fat tail' phenomenon is exactly what caused the financial crisis. People don't expect to see large variances because they all learned the perfectly non-skewed, fixed size bellcurve and expect nature to adhere to it. Under this assumption the extremes of the curve (ultra retards and super genii) should not be numerous.. however societal evidence suggests otherwise.

>>8304420
Actually yea, that would be another example that's probably more common in small populations.

>>8304420
Yes but the sample size is far greater than 3 so the 'middle part' becomes increasingly insignificant, as has been addressed already several times in this thread.

>>8304418
One cannot "lack" IQ, it is a single score, each of us only have one.

>>8304418
If you aren't alt right then what are you?

>>8304438
On the wrong board such as yourself.

>>>/pol/

>>8304435
Okay then.Lets say they dont have high IQ.

Low IQ=high levels of sexuality and aggression.
High IQ=low levels

I'm not saying whites are not aggressive, but in only some individual.
While in blacks, its like a "cultural trait"

>>8304438
The unchanged and traditionalist fascist.
Also atheist and I believe in evolution.

>>8304441
>haha go back to ur containtment board, other people are not allowed to come to our hivemind
>le epic pol boogeyman

>>8304449
Incorrect. Sexuality and aggression can be linked to activity of the amygdala, and it need not affect one's IQ. Also even if they were correlated it would not make them 'equal', as you have stated.

>>8304449
I've worked with literal retards before. They are no more or no less violent or aggressive than anyone else, they are simply not able to properly control their emotions.

I.E.
>Normal or smart person gets pissed
>Normally lets it go quickly
>Maybe yells at person
>Tard gets pissed
>Maybe decks you in the face
>Maybe breaks down and cries

If anything I find that tards and other stupid people tend to be more docile because it's harder to offend them, simply because they lack the capacity to be offended in many circumstances.

>>8304465
Again what may seem to be the same cause on the surface is not. In an actual retarded person they do not possess the extensive development of the Prefrontal Cortex with which to will themselves to not act on their urges. Incidentally in any person this does not reach full development until mid to late 20s, which is why teenagers and young people tend to act so rashly. Again, this is a common trait of young people and does not adversely affect their IQ. You simply cannot conflate these two aspects of the brain.

>>8304465
>violent outburst instead of verbal outburst
>they are no more or less violent
Not the guy you're replying to, but how is that not being more violent???

>>8304357
The n's justify the means (averages)

The ends justify the means

Most people have an above average number of legs.

>>8304498
Actually not true, in the natural world you see 4, 6, or 8 legs a lot, but bipedal animals are relatively scarce.

>>8304505
you forgot bacteria has 0

>>8304507
Bacteria are not part of the Animal Kingdom.

>>8304368
Lmao

>>8304505
Birbs are quite ubiquitous.

>>8304530
Drop in the bucket compared to insects (I'm assuming you meant birds)

>>8303308
>Teaching Biology is retarded as each unit is unrelated to each other.

Maybe you have a shit syllabus to teach from?
Otherwise the problem might be you not being able to relate the units to each other.

How can you find it difficult to relate Respiration to body systems?!

>>8304512
And who the fuck restricted it to animals? Nobody but you. Certainly not the original poster.

>>8304505
Most people have an above average number of *human legs.

Ok?

>>8304537
>he doesn't know what birbs are

>>8304540
Taking the set of 'things with legs' as the sample space is a must more rational choice than 'all living things'.

>>8304476
That's fair.

>>8304484
My assertion was simply that they lack impulse control and that the normal person would like to deck you in the face or cry, but would normally choose not to because they realize that would be stupid.

>>8302438
>kek
>>8302438
I stopped caring about memes once I was introduced to Harambe (pbuh). What a crock of shit. If you can save an ape by getting your dick out, like some kind of phallic deity, then you are fucking wrong and modern memery is flawed.

>>8304541
Are you sure? You may have forgotten to factor in graveyard owners.

>>8304552
Most people have an above average number of *limbs extending from their lower torso which would be called legs

>>8304559
I have a third leg, does that count?

>>8304568
Only if you use it as a primary means of forward locomotion

>>8304538
I think what hes saying is that there shouldn't be a jump from respiration to body systems.
Not that he can't relate the two but rather his students should be learning incrementally. Not skipping around and only getting half of the picture.

Personally I think students should be taught about the largest systems first (the planet) then look at more smaller and specific areas until by the end of the year they are learning about RNA and proteins.
Going the other way (incrementally bigger) is wrong too.

>>8302287
really fires up the old axon hillocks

If one person has 1000 "intelligence" and everyone else has 100, the average would be something like 100.1, and everyone except that one guy would be below average.

>>8304590
Intelligence is rated by percentile not by arithmetic average.

Fifty percent of the population will always be below average intelligence. That's literally how this shit works.

Why does this thread even exist?

>>8304672
only if you assume a distribution that's symmetrical around the mean

>>8302339
There's more than 10 different definitions of average

>>8302316
He is a fucking biology professor at fucking Oxford. Now tell me about your shitty university no one cares about.

>>8304673
Intelligence follows the normal distribution. The end.

>>8304695
IQ does, IQ =/= Intelligence

>>8304673
He's saying average is defined as the value at which 50% of the population is above and 50% is below.

>>8304368
not fair, hes a retard tweeting a lot of retarded shit. there was a /pol/ thread a while ago with a game in which you had to guess if the quote belonged to jaden smith or ndt. most retarded ones belonged to ntd. quality thread desu

>>8302287>>8302307>>8302318


Is that statement true though? I mean, if you are exactly average, you don't count in that statement. Shouldn't it be a bit less than fifty percent?

>>8303276 knows what is going on

>>8304704
that's the mean, not the average

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>>8304368
No, you hate niggers

Haha this ateist spergelord failed math.

>>8304800
I thought the mean was the sum of values divided by the number of values

>>8304923
that's the average

50% is below median intelligence, can a a symmetrical distribution really be assumed for the global population?

>>8304275
It's a pasta newfriend

Biology is for science students that can't hack the math of real science.

>>8302307
>Don't really need a source for that

Not necessarily. Consider the following numbers: 1, 5, 5, 5.

Only 25% of them are below their average.

>>8307262
>le ebin bait

>>8302287
So if you don't know statistics you can't get this joke?

What is it supposed to be?

>>8302307
not necessarily, some people who successfully commit suicide have been considered clinically dead (as in, the hospital can legally write them off as a loss) however have been successfully resuscitated past that point, would that count or what?

>>8303276
Who is this semen demon?

>>8306638
yes, the more people the closer it gets to a normal dist in fact. CLT.

>>8307482
Not strictly correct. The CLT says that the calculation of the mean will carry a normal distribution, but it says nothing about the underlying distribution. The mean of sampling from any distribution will approach normality

Define average, 100 is the average in western world countries but the massive population growth humanity is experiences is in borderline retarded populations like nigeria, pakistan and india.

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>>8304723
>there was a /pol/ thread

>>8302339
I guess Dawkins is below average then

>>8302339
no you stupid motherfucker 50% would still be smarter or dumber than the other 50% regardless of how they are distributed

>>8308502
Only if you're considering the median, or the mean in a symmetric distribution.

>>8304368
Man, fuck having border and laws 'n shit.

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>>8302287
Isn't that statement actually wrong because of exceptional individuals?

For example, lets say that we have 10 candidates. The IQ of them are: 60; 80; 80; 85; 90; 100; 115; 120; 140; 160.

The average IQ is 103, so actually 60% of the "population" of my example is below average intelligence.

Suppose there two people both with average intelligence. Less than 50% of people now have below and above average intelligence. Since Dawkins cannot know this, why the heck is he trying to make claims that he cannot support?

Atheists:0
Christians:1

>>8303303
IQ is an attempt to quantify something that is impossible to quantify.

>>8304800
>>8304923
>>8304942

Mean and average are the same. You meant median.

>>8303308
says "photosynthesis and respiration" have correlation.
Is teaching our next generation

You fucktard. Your ass went to school 12 years, then 4 more to learn how to teach. And you still can't get that right.

Photosynthesis is respiration you dumb shit.

>>8309936
*no

>hurr he has a degree in biology at oxford
>only make stupid books
>make stupid statements on internet

He is the pinacle of the fedora bois.

>>8309783
wrong

"average" is a measure of central tendency, of which mean, median, and mode are three popular ways to calculate it

>>8302287
Mean <> median

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Fifty percent off the population is of above average intelligence

tfw glass is half full

>>8302287
Fifty percent of the population is below median intelligence, not """average""" intelligence. Fucking scientists.

>>8307453
You are so fucking stupid. Kys.
Fucking kys.
What is death? Yeah they successfully died. 100%. He said death, not stating anything about staying dead.