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>>8285550
But Musk claim to fame is being an engineer, not a scientist nor a "scientist".

Also I don't see what Hawking is doing in that list of popularizers.
If your issue is that he does some popularization, then so did Feynman.

>>8285550
so you can't like someone unless they're a scientist?

>>8285550
>Hawking
>pseudo-intellectual

>underage thinking he can discredit scientific minds much greater than him because contrarianism

gtfo of /sci/ and neck yourself

>>8285574
Thank you. I am honestly sick of this "cool to hate" morons that 4chan in general has tons.

>>8285550
>every "actual" scientist is dead

>>8285550
>only one African-American
>no woman
That picture does not represent science. It only represents oppressive white institutionalized racism.

cancer thread

>>8285550
>actual scientists
What about the thousands of unnamed individuals who continually improve humanity's collective understanding? Not every scientist is famous, Isaac Newton wrote that his insights were only possible by using the work of the many who came before him.

Anyone who has published a peer reviewed paper is an "actual scientist".

>>8285585
Shus, we were talking bout the retard on a wheelchair, not the space negro.

What if i don't give a fuck about any of these men, and instead care about the fuckin' science and its concepts.

>>8285603
You mean Leibniz?

>>8285602
This thread is about scientists, I don't think it has anything to do with cancer.

>>8285643
Of course. And Rosalind Franklin.

I know names not faces, but I know that hawking and dawkins made real contributions to their respective fields.

I know it's a bait thread

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Where would people like Donald Johanson and Tim White go on that chart?

>>8285550
>Hawking
>pseudo-intellectual
ok, you triggered me

>>8285550
>all the "pseudo-intellectuals" are still living

>all the "actual scientists" are now dead

Surely there are actual scientists in the 21st century?

Hawkings Degrasse and Kaku are all scientists, educated and with published papers. No amount of shitposting will change that

>>8285759
so is Krauss

not so sure about Kaku

Sure, I guess we can pretend that Dawkins didn't propose ideas that revolutionized the way scientists view evolution because he's an elitist douchebag. That's how science works, right? Right???

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These are the scientists we need but don't deserve.

>>8285561
>Also I don't see what Hawking is doing in that list
isn't he a theoretical physicalist?
doesn't actually do any science just thinks about abstract concepts and created a theory upon it.

>>8285550
>Gödel
>Scientist

>>8285822
Gerdle was a mathematician, therefore a scientist.

>>8285817
>doesn't actually do any science just thinks about abstract concepts and created a theory upon it.
Well no fucking shit. You can't do much else when you're paralyzed and wheelchair bound.

>>8285759
>>8285764
Dawkins as well. It's true for Harris and for Nye who is "only" a science teacher.

>>8285833
You are not your own favorite scientist?

That's how I feel about myself, to be honest. I don't know anybody who's smarter than me.

>>8285832
One of my Physics profs went to Uni where kaku was working; he claimed that Kaku was a good, serious physicist at the time

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The fuck are you talking about, Stephen Hawking discovered the process in which black holes decay.

>>8285817
>just thinks about abstract concepts and created a theory upon it.
What the fuck do you think half the people in the second list did to earn their positions there?
>Higgs
>Feynman
>Einstein
>Bohr
>Schrodinger
Theoretical physicists.

>>8285817
The fuck do you think "doing science" is? Lab monkey work?

>>8285827
Mathematicians are not scientists

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>>8285595

>>8285827
>Gerdle
kys

This is AUTISM. Vaccines ruining our kids. Sad!

>>8285905
Yeah, just look at Hawking's face. That's a case of extreme autism if I've ever seen one.

>>8285914
Is he drooling? LOL! Wake up people. Vaccines!

>>8285745
This is about right but idk about le black science man's actual achievements.

>>8285927
He did some research but hey it turns out you can't publish that much when you're busy doing public education.
Nothing wrong with that, we need people to turn candidates to science. I wouldn't want a world in which every youngster competent in math decides to be an actuary or a quantitative analyse.

>>8285929
Cock-oo *

>>8285550
Musk is more of a business man

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>>8285550
Fixed

>>8285840
He did some relevant work in string theory and wrote a few textbooks. His book on strings, CFTs and topology is pretty comfy.

>>8285550
lol

Musk isn't a scientist, he's a businessman.
Beyond that, you seem to have a problem with modern scientists who publish.

Guess what retard, all the scientists in the past that you find acceptable, also published and had you been around in their time you'd have thrown a fucking fit that they had upset your fucking applecart too, just like millions of similar morons did.

This same timid mentality racks the USA at this point. Fuck the brave and free. The US is consumed by the fear of the unknown that change brings, and lazily looks to the past with absurdly romantic rose-colored glasses.

The day you actually read the works of half the "actual scientists" you list, you're going to feel fucking dippy as shit when you see what passed for rigorous testing, evidence & reasoning in the past.

>>8285595
It represents the view of science put forward until about 1992.

Before the entire journals of many scientists started getting published, and everyone started noticing a trend of chicks dreaming up & doing the science behind closed doors while their husbands and bosses went out and worked on selling it.

More and more keep getting discovered.

>>8285745
>only aware of Dawkins pop-theology books

kek
you goofed

>>8285550
>idolizing people instead of ideas

>>8285550
You are not a "pseudo-intellectual" for liking someone.

Just report these bait threads.

>>8286018
>This same timid mentality racks the USA at this point. Fuck the brave and free. The US is consumed by the fear of the unknown that change brings, and lazily looks to the past with absurdly romantic rose-colored glasses.

Huh? This is about half of the U.S. The other half orgasm when they think about "muh change" and "muh progress," as if change is somehow inherently good. There's no middle ground here.

>>8285832>>8285832
Brian Cox is a sitting Manchester Prof who is still publishing. Really don't understand OP

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>>8285550
>Pseudo-intellectual "scientists"

Mfw they're the only people helping with funding actual science by getting people interested.

>>8286081
OP thinks of the modern scientists publishing, as authors, not scientists.

...he doesn't realize that the useful results that makes those "real" scientists noteworthy, also published, and each in their day was also an author, and each also published a hell of a lot of rubbish, because the overall wealth of knowledge available was not great, and even what was solid was not pervasive. Few had Newtons resources, and those that didn't had plenty of stupid and just plain wrong ideas about every manner of thing.

Anon just knows Einstein published Relativity and it was a hit, and Sam Harris told Christfags and Muslims to chill the fuck out and apply their reasoning to their faith, and it didn't sound like science to him, so... fuck all these new guys talking about ideas and shit yaknow? yaknow???

>>8286044

>The other half orgasm when they think about "muh change" and "muh progress,"

>...as if change is somehow inherently good.

Change is good though. Without change you have stagnation and you don't get evolution. What part of change and progress is bad?

>There's no middle ground here.

Of course there's no middle ground. You either change/progress or you have no change/progress. You can't have half change, half no change.

Nice memes you've got there

https://inspirehep.net/author/profile/M.Kaku.1
https://inspirehep.net/author/profile/L.M.Krauss.1
https://inspirehep.net/author/profile/S.W.Hawking.1
https://inspirehep.net/author/profile/B.E.Cox.1

Though I'll admit Krauss does have his retard moments and that Kaku has lost his way.

>>8285927
He doesn't have any. He failed out of a PhD program at a state university because 'muh racism' and then was promptly accepted into an Ivy League PhD program. Since getting his PhD he's basically published nothing.

>>8286108

>[Citations needed]

>>8286098
>Change is good though. Without change you have stagnation and you don't get evolution. What part of change and progress is bad?
I offer a counterexample.

The rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany was a big change for Germany.

You claim that this change is great, because hey, at least Germany isn't sitting there doing nothing!

This is dumb for obvious reasons.

>Of course there's no middle ground. You either change/progress or you have no change/progress. You can't have half change, half no change.
I'm referring to the ideological mindsets of Americans. Most Americans seem to be on the extremes: either very conservative and looking at the past through "rose-colored glasses" or very progressive, looking to the future with misguided optimism. Very few people seem to be reasonable, realizing the pros and cons of both sides, and many people will claim their side is more reasonable than the other.

>>8286108
He does have some publications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson#Research_publications

He just focused on being a science communicator, which is good for getting science projects funded.

>>8285550
why do all of these eggheads have receding hairlines?

>Its a /pol/ gets triggered the national academy of science is over 90% atheist in a 3% atheist country so they dig out scientists from the time we didn't even understand how brains worked episode
Ayyyy

>>8285719
Still waiting.

>>8286117

>I offer a counterexample.
>The rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany was a big change for Germany.
>You claim that this change is great,

It was a great change for Germany early on. It's just about the guidance.

>because hey, at least Germany isn't sitting there doing nothing!

Because that was working so well for them against the French in the wake of WW1.

>I'm referring to the ideological mindsets of Americans. Most Americans seem to be on the extremes: either very conservative and looking at the past through "rose-colored glasses" or very progressive, looking to the future with misguided optimism. Very few people seem to be reasonable, realizing the pros and cons of both sides, and many people will claim their side is more reasonable than the other.

Not just Americans. Happens here too. Left vs. Right politics are ridiculous.

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>>8285595
Musk will look cute as a trap tbqh

>>8285790
Dawkins didnt revolutionize anything. He popularized gene-selection theory and defended it against other alternatives, he didnt invent or discover anything. His chair is "public understanding of science"
If you want someone revolutionary in the same field see motoo kimura, lynn margulis or leigh van valen

Dawkins was always a joke

>>8285959
Pants on head retarded

>>8285595

R8 8/8, gr8 b8 m8.

>>8285817
>phyiscalist
lol

>>8285550
Leave, lol

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>>8286031
>biology
>a hard science

>>8285550
Dawkins was a pretty legit biologist from the 70s to mid 90s.

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>>8286871
ebinly mene'd lad

>>8286981
Please explain how biology is a hard science.

>>8287009
how is it not you stupid faggot?

>hurr durr only my field is TRUE le science!
You people are the cancer of academia

>>8285550
Didn't Kaku play a role in furthering string theory?
Hawking did important work on black holes and GR?
And even Dawkins did important work in evolutionary biology?

Also, why do Pseuds hate science popularization so much?
If it is done properly like in the Selfish Gene it is a great thing. After all a little knowledge is far better than nothing at all.

>>8287013
But mathematics IS the only true science. This is an objective fact. You can spout memes at me all you want, but that's not going to change the fact that everything proven in mathematics is 100% true and not subject to subjective interpretation. "Biology is a real science because my feelings said so" is not an argument.

>>8287016
>Also, why do Pseuds hate science popularization so much?
They obviously don't, otherwise OP wouldn't have Feynman in the "actual scientists" section.

>>8286876
>>8287016
see
>>8286335
Dawkins never did any scientific work, he only popularized one theory on where selection occurs

Harris may be a lightweight in terms of published and peer-reviewed science, but his various talking points are always well-reasoned and not beholden to religious, ideological or partisan identity. He makes good arguments and is willing to concede if proven wrong. Definitely counts as a proper intellectual in my book.

>>8287036
>not beholden to religious, ideological or partisan identity.

LOL

>>8287021
Actually, the argument seems to be that biology isn't a real science because your feelings say so.

Though, honestly, who cares.

>>8287038
Great argument, friend.

>>8286031
In all seriousness, Dawkins mememetics is shit and I read he got the selfish gene thing absolutely wrong. See Yaneer Bar Yam and others.

>>8285574
This

>>8286379
prove it then.

>>8285550
based Gregor mendel.

>>8285817
What is "doing science"?

>>8287527
It's, like, pouring chemicals in beakers and watching stuff explode! :^)

>>8285595
haha totally :)

>no Stephen Wolfram

>>8285550
Where the hell are Turing and Ramanujan reee

>>8287870
Inb4 searching on wolframalpha

>>8286379
>unironically falling for the tesla cult memes

>>8286031

Dawkins only debates religion. A real scientist wouldn't waste their time with that shit. When was the last scientific publication he has made? 2004?

>>8286794
>>8287866
>Who is noether

You fucking idiots