Why are Americans so resistant to free university? Pic related.

>>8285142
Considering thousands upon thousands upon thousands of the brightest minds the planet has to offer, working on the issue with billions in funding for decades haven't come up with a solution I doubt Mtumbai or Pajeet are really a magical repository of knowledge waiting to be unlocked.

how would an uneducated person know anything about a cancer cure?

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>>8285142
I don't know if you've noticed, but there the US is infested with retarded monkeys.

If you make college free, you're basically opening up the floodgates for the monkeys to come in and make the college experience even worse than it already is. Universities will spend millions trying to babysit these monkeys who can't sit down, shut up, and listen to a lecture for an extended period of time. It will become high school 0.2.

>>8285142
> implying smart people don't go to university for free

The United States was built upon the idea that anyone can work their way up and better themselves, with little or no intervention from the government. When the government offers help for people to make themselves better, the middle and upper classes see it as a handout.

>>8285142
scientists aren't resources of knowledge but tools for the creation of knowledge.

one team of scientists can produce the same knowledge as another team.

>>8285142

What if the cure for cancer is not trapped inside the mind of the hundreds of millions receiving "free" education and the trillions of dollars in costs providing this service might actually be more usefully spent?

Really activates my almonds.

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>>8285142
>What if the cure for cancer is trapped inside the mind of someone who can't afford an education?

Then he will simply publish it anyway, because it has a high incentive. What does a purple lake and sky have to do with the question? Do you want to increase the amount of medication in the market, specially medication made by small, independent companies? Then don't vote for candidates that support the FDA, which I would bet is the case for demokkkrats. People have plenty of access to information, if they want to be knowledge workers they can do it at home everyday. Education is cheap, there is no need for heavy taxation for education, and I say that as a Physics teacher, this agenda is actually to Rob and Enslave the people. The priority in education is the Elite in power, they are the ones skipping class and missing their homework.

>>8285200
Because middle and upper classes like their positions already and see it as fair that kids get fucked over by having poor parents and to study properly they also need to get a job, or work even harder to get scholarship, or get into massive debt, or combination of these.

>>8285142
>Platonism
No.

>>8285142
Because we remember the 50's fondly, and don't want to ruin our nostalgia by actually reliving them.

You know, back when half the states had free higher education, and about 80% of the jobs in the private sector were unionized.

>>8285142
Because muh gommunism, socialism and cultural marxist degeneracy is ebul, or something along those lines.

Basically there is no argument, the mind of the Americans is sick to the roots thanks to their government propaganda, it's one of the few/only first world countries in the world where the lower class has been convinced/brainwashed to actually be happy to be cucked and remain cucked and defend the cuckolding in favor of the elite and those with more wealth than them. A large accountability of that fucked up thinking can be traced to the Cold War and the state opposition to anything remotely "socialist".

>>8285142
I dont know why in north america that they want to limit the education and research in science but there are cures for cancer that have been proven to work but are not legal by the FDA such as mistletoe extract which have been proven to kill cancer cells
http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/mistletoe-pdq
But for some reason this reasearch is not being used for a cure and do you know why? its because its more profitable to treat a disease for as long as possible as oppose to curing it

>>8285237
My first thought was "fuck you, purple lakes and skies are awesome". My second thought can't be transcribed into the written word, as it happened shortly after reading that clusterfuck you vomited onto your computer screen.

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>>8285185
That's most likely not how it's going to work. In the instance that college becomes free, the government will probably set up a threshold that college students need to stay above in order to continually receive funding. Alongside this, useless degrees may be discouraged in favor of better, actually useful ones (hopefully). This could potentially be a good thing if the people in power don't fuck it up and the people taking advantage of free higher education don't dick around.

>>8285461
t. women studies PhD

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>>8285142
>the cure for cancer

Wew lad.

>>8285482
>this much meme effort into laughing at the cure for cancer not being a viable future option
>thinking that the only way to cure cancer is to fight each and every individual symptom after it arises

>the cure for entropy
Hah jokes on you I'm autistic

>begin brainwashing people in elementary school that University is the only path toward salvation
>make it free
>both standards and value of degree plummet further as bachelor's becomes a minimum requirement to navigate through society
>first year University courses are already just remedial high school material full of people who complain about having to use algebra

Education through textbook grinding and vomiting out trivia for another four years is a sad waste of time. Compared to someone who takes up piano or gymnastics for 17 years, you really having nothing to show for all that education except you can now beg for that job at the bank.

>>8285845
Stop ruining my illusion anon everyone needs to be happy in exact equal amounts!

>>8285845
>valuing "piano and gymnastics" over knowledge and scientific advancement

Why are you even on this board?

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>cure for an inherent flaw with DNA

>>8285852
He's making a critique of the value of the average American's educational experience. Sad and maybe poignant that you couldn't understand that.

>>8285237

This is why you should never assume that because you are smart in one field, you are equally smart in other unrelated fields.

>>8285142
>free university
it's called the internet.

if you can't learn on your own using it then you definitely aren't learning at university.

>>8285461
If you've seen the way the U.S Gov handles social welfare programs you would know that a free college system would be utter shit.

>>8285891
B-b-b-b-b-b-ut..... muh learning styles!!!!!

I'm an audial learner!!!!!! If it's not in the form of sound waves, it goes completely over my head

If you go to college and get a degree that supports you and possible a family, you'll have no problem paying off loans.

In fact if you're 'going to cure cancer' you'll likely spend 4-8 years in grad. school giving you a chance to payoff loans interest free while you get a TA/RA stipend. And if you choose a good group that has funding, you should at most TA for just 2-4 semesters. The grad. school stipends in chemistry are usually around $1.5-2.5k/month depending on location.

>>8285895
>welfare programs

>don't worry, take all the courses you have time for
>here's more money to support it that you can spend on anything
That's never going to get abused, no sir.

what do you guys think of vitamin B17? i heard its banned in the states for some reason..why?

>>8285461
>useless degrees may be discouraged in favor of better, actually useful ones


and then bitches will start crying about why there arent any woman in college

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>>8285237
>this post

>>8285328
theres a lot of things that can kill cancer cells that are not good treatments for cancer. selectivity would be the important factor in this unless you want to wipe out a lot of the rest of your body with the cancer.

>>8285142
Because our culture has been so defined by jews that we only see arguments as far as an ideological capitalist would.

IF you extend public education from k-12 to k-16, (which is basically what you're doing if you're saying everyone needs that much education)

THEN
1. We get a better country because people are more intelligent, elect more intelligent leaders, who make more intelligent decisions, etc etc etc
2. My education isn't as valuable as it is now, because everyone else will have one too.

2>1
SO
FUCK the country. We'd rather be the king of the mountain, even if it means reducing the mountain to a steaming pile of shit, than stand shoulder to shoulder on a gleaming mountain in the clouds.

That is the nature of individualistic cultures, and that is what the US is, above all. Fuck you, gimme mine. That's the way the country's been heading since the first europeans even showed up here to begin with, and with a few minor ups and downs, it's been steadily progressing more and more extreme ever since.

>>8286080
>was going to make a wisecrack about jews & capitalism
>decided to actually make a real point
>left the part in about jews
whoops
lol

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>>8286080
>It's a "commie still thinks communism will work, despite multiple failed attempts" episode again

>>8286088
Proving my point to a fucking T. Fear of communism by idiots stuck in the 1940s.

Everybody going to school? THAT'D BE COMMUNJISM
Everyone already goes to school you fucking dope. K-12 is communism too I suppose. So are traffic signals. Fuckin government telling you what to do... fuck them, anon. Go run out into traffic. Show em who's boss.

>>8286109
You make the mistake of assuming that if we force people to go to school, they would make good use of it and actually learn something. Public school is already bad enough as it is. K-16 would be even worse.

>>8286109
>everybody going to university
>implying everybody is qualified for university education
>implying you are not inviting them to waste their 4 fucking years in life and potentially another 5 years of their life to pay off loan while profiting the greedy motherfuckers that run these university
>implying some retards won't do useless degree and then complaint about "discrimination"
university should not be a place for job training. also fuck them greedy morons who run university for profits only.

>>8286153
don't even correct me on the loan. you think money for free university comes from the sky? it's all your fucking money morons. instead of paying for yourself only now you are going to pay for you and all these retards who go to university on useless degree to prove they are "smart"

>>8286163
B-but anon... that's selfish! And individualism! That's bad! Aren't you compassionate?

>>8286165
I'm not compassionate but that's is way better for everybody than wasting the retards time and our money while feeding off the big corporations behind these swindle schemes.

>>8285142
Because America is third world country that just happens to be rich

>>8286215
Pretty much this. If you just let all the third-world monkeys into college by making college free, education would basically be a jungle.

>>8285216

What is better than having an educated population though? Nothing bad would come out of this scenario. Why are Americans so worried about spending a
few trillion on education, when they spend way more on defense?

Because Americans believe that God will appoint you with the money for college when you disserve it

And you only disserve it if you're faithful enough

Then they enforce that believe by only letting perfect cookie cutter sjws into colleges and disabling everyone else, especially if your non religious or a non Christian religion

>>8286252
Depending on how you define "educated".
Making university free and lower the bar for everyone will basically make it another K12 where people won't put any effort in it, wasting society time, money without achieving anything but producing people with over-exaggerated selfworth. And then we will have to create another education system for excellent people only, oh wait...

>>8286252
No no no no no. You are not getting it. You will not get your "educated population" by throwing more people into school for a longer period of time. People will not learn if they do not value learning. Giving them four extra years of school will not make them four extra years smarter. It will just make them resent school even more, because now the standards have been set higher in terms of the job market and they are forced to go through pointless extra schooling to get anywhere in life.

>>8286268
College should be a library

Why is everyone assuming that free college equates to mandatory college? Keep the same standards, if not raise the current standards to further filter out the people who genuinely want to be there from the people who felt it is mandatory to be there.

>>8286285
>college is now free
>colleges get flooded
>everyone is getting bachelor's degrees
>employers can no longer rely on the bachelor's degree as a filter for good candidates
>employers replace undergraduate degree requirement with graduate degree requirement

Congratulations. College is now mandatory.

>>8286285
>implying they haven't been lowering the standard because "muh equality"
Making university education free would basically removing the biggest risk of making wrong life choice going to university for the retards. Expect ton of them going to university just to prove they are "smart". Most of them can't do STEM so they are going to study "another stuff". Supplies and demands. More and more university will be opened to teach these useless major. At one point in the future bachelor becomes K12 and PhD become bachelor. And we will have post-PhD where people have to waste 30+ years to start doingn research

>>8285185
I don't get why Americans always resort to "blacks would ruin it". Every country has poor and retarded people and they deal with it fine, you shouldn't give up on something just because of something like that.

>>8286288
>Using digrees to judge your employees instead of actual communication with the employee

>>8286043
Women are actually present in courses like chemistry and biochemistry. I think math has a lot of girls as well, at least I saw a graph saying that iirc. It's CS, engineering and physics that's males only.

>>8286295
>implying employers are not gonna skim over 1000+ resumes and filter out those retards without a PhD.

>>8286299
>There have been only 3 applications filled this month and you are speaking bullshit

>>8286293
Still doesn't change the fact that blacks would ruin it. I went to a pretty ghetto high school filled to the brim with monkeys who didn't give a shit, so this hits pretty close to home. I consider my university a safe haven.

>>8286301
>implying normies aren't sending out resumes to 30+ companies each month

>>8286302
Imma say it's not the race, it's the culture. Unintelligent white dudes that didn't want to learn or do anything ruined my school experience

>>8286306
This is what's wrong with the world, people are acting like bugs instead of persuing their sick dreams

>>8286309
>sick dream
they are already are, majority of them don't want to go through education to get it though.

>>8286302
You are going to take a bunch of dumb poor people, keep them dumb poor people, give them no hope of improving because you blame something that can't be changed, what do you think you are going to get?

>>8286312
>Want to do things with your life
>Don't want to be in debt for hundreds of years
>Can't

>>8286315
>want to do things with your life
>go to university
>instead of paying debt for 5 years now you have to pay increased tax for the rest of your immortal life.

>>8286313
That's how the world works

I get my first min wage job at 18 on the same day i got my ID. Shelf stocking at a grocery store. They give me a shirt,a name tag, tell me if I'm late three times i get fired, then give me a cart full of food and say go.

I asked what to do and everyone curled their eyebrows. I asked again and everyone left. Manager came back ten minutes later and lectured me about appearing professional and using the correct terms when speaking to people.

I got demoted to back room sorting, where i was still never told what to do. I figured just to put the similar for next to each other. Got told i was doing a good job, then during lunch coworkers talked to me about how i was still learning my place in society, and that it's okay that i didn't know shelf stocking.

I think people expect you to come into life already knowing things, before you get taught.

>>8286313
Why do people assume everyone will stay the way they are, instead of knowing that when people have realisations and epiphanies, it makes themselves change how they act?

Education was supposed to be communicating with people and giving them realisations about how things worked, inspiring them to see how things really are and possibly give them the emptive to help it improve. Now it's some kind of sifting scheme for "good" and "bad" humans, as if you can't make one into the other with some work. Which is what school is supposed to be.

Everyone's fucking lazy, why are we all forcing each other to drew nice and talk to each other every day?

>>8286109
Political body hand holding needs to be put to a stop. The government used to only be chartered with defense of the nation and now we have healthcare, corruption, food housing and discretionary spending, schooling, retirement, corruption...

Balancing compassion with brutality is the only way to move forward and produce strong self motivated people.
Give people everything they want and they'll just get worse, asking for more and more instead of taking care of themselves.

I don't like the idea of even more of people's tax dollars being sucked away into another ponzi scheme. These people who think mandatory gov't funded college is proper are the same people who would get a degree in underwater basket weaving and ask why they have to struggle with $10-12/hr menial jobs, if they can hope to even work that hard, having a third taken away in taxes and healthcare "fines"

America was about strength of self working together with and for the community, not the community giving up every bit for every underachieving man.

I would understand OPs post in a more metaphorical way. The idea is not in him now but with the right knowledge he could make it happen. Look up Ramanujan for example, indian mathematician, self thaught from a single algebra book, his heritage are 600 equations some of those are not solved today. When he wanted to study nobody wanted him, because in india you need to be good in several courses. On the other hand you could still make performance-oriented studying possible in the US because they have quite a few private unis and enough rich white people to pay them.
>>8286458
>>>/pol/
I think you missed your exit m8

>>8286498
>>>/pol/
>I think you missed your exit m8
Sorry, a topic on government regulation,
Should I whip out my slide ruler and calculate the exact change every man woman and child would get if we took all the rich's profits?

>>8285142
>i should pay tax money for some dumb bitch to get a degree in gender studies or business
>i should pay tax money for some dumb motherfucker to get his degree in history or carribean studies

no thanks

>>8285185
I counter your gross generalization with another one. Making college free would open the floodgates to let in poor students who will work hard to use their education to get a better life for their themselves and their families. They're more deserving than some of the entitled, already rich who dont have much to gain from a college education

Also there's already a selection process which will probably get even more stringent with more students able to apply so I would argue the "college experience" would become even better.

>>8285142

In a fair and social system you would receive help for the first 20 years of your life, work for society for 40 years and receive help again in the last 20 years of your life. You can't make a system more gair than that. However the truth is America is not fair. So you habe wageslaves working their entire lifes and uper class people not working a single day in their life

>>8286504
It's not about politics in general it's about the fact that your point of view is that rusted, lincoln will get shot any second.

>>8285185
You really don't know how free education works, do you?

We've had that in the Nordics for years. It doesn't mean any loser can just waltz right in. What it means is that there are entrance exams, of varying kinds, requiring extensive reading and research to prove that you have what it takes to make do.

In addition to these entrance exams, you're required to provide your work history, and your grades from elementary school. All of that is put together, and those that fared best are granted entrance.

But once you DO get in, you don't actually have to pay for the education. And as long as you keep committing and passing a set bare minimum amount of courses each half year, you get to stay until you're done.

So what I'm trying to say, is that free education doesn't mean free access to animals and delinquents. It just literally means that those with the ability and motivation, can get an education and the top level job that follows, even if they happened to grow up in a poor family.

It's no surprise that something like this has a massive effect on how children are raised in general. Look at Finland for instance. Used to be just 1% rich and a bunch of poor grunts no more than a hundred years ago. When free education was implemented, all the families WANTED their children to go to school, and raised them to do it, because they wanted their children to have a better life than they ever did.

So the children got education, and today, some decades later, the Finns have among the highest average educations on the whole planet.

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>>8285142
>yfw you get your nice math education in russia not paying a ruble for it and instead earn money for being a good student
>this rare moment when you're happy you're in russia

>>8285142
The more money the government makes available to students, the more tuition increases, and the more irrelevant the degrees and courses become. Want to study you favorite comic book character for a class? Want to make up your own degree?

>>8286556
Yeah my Russian teacher told me that's how they do higher education over there. It won't work in the US because over half of high school students are mindless drones who can't think.

>>8286556
In Neo-Soviet Russia, sense makes you

>>8285142
Because the person who could cure cancer is smart enough to get a scholarship. If the person who is supposed to cure cancer isn't intelligent enough to get a scholarship then the inteligence required is low enough for others to discover the cure.

>>8286558
This is mostly due to Monsanto chems altering the human genome, and not because kids deliberately programmed to mindlessly follow orders starting at 4-5.

>>8286549
You don't know how the United States works, do you?

Entrance exams are racist. They do nothing to promote diversity, which is what the colleges want. No matter that they accepted someone who will in all likelihood drop out before completing his degree.

>>8286267
Why lower the bar? in Germany uni is free and the bar is set pretty good. You justn have to kick out the losers. Isn't it already normal in America to kick out the losers after they've failed a few tests?

>>8285142
My state has provided free tuition for longer than I've been alive. People in other states could get scholarships to go to school, and most could get a free education if they were less obsessed with prestige.

>>8285864
What?

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>>8285142
>implying cancer hasn't already been cured

Because any and all assistance to the poor would go to the melanin-enhanced, which basically disables my empathy glands

:^)

Cancer is a failure of the immune system. It suppose to detect rogue cells and kill it. But someone how cancer cells learn to defeat this protocol. The surest way for a real cancer cure is to boost the immune system or use intelligent nanobots that enter bloodstream and seek out cancerous cells with the aid of a massive supercomputer coordinating the attack. I truly believe research in nanotech is the best pathway to curing 90% of human diseases

>>8285142

First, there is no singular "cure" for cancer. There are numerous different types of cancers, and thus numerous different means of therapeutic intervention.

That said, nothing is free. Universities are expensive to run: professors need be paid; administrators need to be paid; buildings and facilities need to be maintained; etc., etc.

>>8286549
This here. Making ed free doesn't mean you'll let anyone in. A well made system will have exams and interviews for college, and would put more value into "menial" careers requiring to learn a certain amount of skill through aprenticeship for example. Such careers have a rendency of being viewed as "low-class" when not only are they required for the world to go round but can often make a better living than some bullshit degrees. This coupled with earlier orientation and more meaningful high school degrees would incidently make college degrees more of a big deal and save those not fit or willing to get a degree time and money wasted on studies that do not suit them. Of course perfect is impossible and injustice would remain in the form of private cram schools and the likes (which could arguably be countered by more intense high school programs not leaving time for them but that would lead to problems for obvious reasons). Btw I've finished my first year in the high level math and physics course in France and my tuition was... 60€. No grant, same for all who go through said course. Don't get jealous freedom folk

>>8285142

Because it's not "free", it's paid by my income taxes and most people (even liberals) don't trust the government to not fuck it up. Already look at how our subsidized student loan program has driven up tuition.

>>8286841

>Making ed free doesn't mean you'll let anyone in.

Yes it does. It's basic economics: if each student's tuition is paid by the state then the college has a huge incentive to admit anyone and everyone. This is the entire point of making education "free": to make it accessible to everyone regardless of attainment level. More importantly if college is "free" the expectation from the public is that everyone will be able to attend, and if that is not the case then administrators are going to get replaced with ones that do.

>A well made system will have exams and interviews for college

A "well-made system" (in the context of bureaucracy) maximizes profit for student. If all fees are paid by some external entity (not the student), then the goal will be to maximize costs and grow the pool of students as large as possible.

Remember: academic organizations are made up of fallible people. If you give them the tools to abuse their position they absolutely will.

>>8286865

>maximizes profit for student

*profit per student

>>8286549

>We've had that in the Nordics for years.

Stop. European social democracy is not applicable to the US. Sweden has a population of about ~10 million, on par with North Carolina. America is a country of ~320 million people across 50 distinct and unique states, each with their own Department of Education and College network. It's taken 50 years just to standardize K12 education and it only came about because everyone wants to strip teachers unions of their power. Making college "free" across the entire country would be a new money pit, most of which would be burned in the hopeless tire fire that is the South. It would also make colleges even lower quality as they would have a guaranteed source of income.

>In addition to these entrance exams, you're required to provide your work history, and your grades from elementary school. All of that is put together, and those that fared best are granted entrance.

And this is not how things work in the US. Colleges compute your score based on GPA and SAT scores, perhaps factoring in your essay (if applicable) and your race. It is a completely different system and will not change due to the No Child Left Behind Act (which mandates standardized testing and ties it into fed DoE funding) and the Common Core (common cirricula standards).

>>8286882
Affirmative action. It's cancer. Admitting under-qualified student and causing discrimination for qualified student that fall into the categories of "minority". America needs to stop that bullshit. Thank me later.

>>8286841
>A well made system

Yeah, the problem is this is the United States. We're not known for implementing good systems.

>>8286972

AA students aren't underqualified, it's just that white and asian students are held to a higher standard to offset their race. Also not going to stop anytime soon, as the SCOTUS rejected a challenge to it earlier this year (Fisher v. University of Texas, 4-3 majority decision). Of course, it's easy to get around it by not stating your race on college applications. But nobody does that.

Point is, it's a variable and one which won't be going away. Same for everything else I listed. The US is not europe and european methods of doing things will not work here.

>>8286506
Assuming motherfuckers are male is heteronormative you shitlord

>>8287005
>held to a higher standard to offset their race
tell me why the fuck that is not racism

>>8287026
You can't come out of your /pol/ shithole where you complain about niggers and spic 24/7 and then come here and cry about affirmative action being racist.

Please go back to your home:
>>>/pol/

>>8287026

it is racism, which the courts have said is ok if it helps blacks and hispanics

and all public universities in the US must use AA or else they get all their funding and credentials cut, as well as a lawsuit from the DoJ

>>8287006

are you SERIOUSLY assuming dumb bitches are female? keep hiding behind anonymity, if people knew how you really think you would be fired and ostracized you ignorant sexist

>>8287026

racism is a combination of power and privilege

>>8287005

i identify as a female african american and am not afraid to state so on all of my academic applications, although I am racial and gender fluid so i may identify more with something else later in life

>>8286549
First, Finland is not the best example, the 2013 education index shows Finland 17 places behind the United States.

Second, Finland does not have as many universities as does the USA, nor do any of the other European countries, this means there is less bureaucratic overhead than there will be in the U.S. One of the main issues for example, is budgeting. Assuming all universities in the U.S are put under the yoke of the government, who determines the distribution of money to each of the hundreds of universities across the country?And by what criteria will this be determined? And at what cost? Normally such matters would be determined by the market and paid for by the colleges themselves. Colleges that offer good education and resources will remain, colleges that do not will falter and eventually fail.

Instead, committees will have to be formed, bureaucracies will be created and with them, will come gross inefficiency and expense, expense which John Q Taxpayer will have to pay, instead of the college. And again, what criteria determines the budget? Is it the number of students that study there? That will incentivize laxer admission policies. Is it some standardized test score? That will incentivize education revolving around those tests. And what will you do if a college is shown to be failing? Do you pump more money into it, as the current public education does, at the expense of schools that are actually succeeding?

Finally, this notion that we need to have free education to allow poor people to get an education is ridiculous. Every single ivy league college offers full tuition scholarships for those that have been accepted into the university, but are too poor to pay the tuition. Merit is what matters in those cases. Those with merit can get that education regardless of their economic standing.

>>8287051
>keep hiding behind anonymity

Hit the nail on the head right there. The illusion of free speech and tolerance coupled with thinking like that is one of the biggest concerns I have in the current political climate.

People have valid, non-malicious concerns that they cannot speak in any other way but anonymously, because doing so would permanently damage their careers, even lives. Publicly, anyone who has any concerns at all about radical feminism, immigration, or anti-socialism (reduce welfare, child support, and other forms of support systems for the willingly unproductive - but NOT the ones who actually need help), will have to either shut up or pretend they agree with the mob.

People like you are like the customer on a store, using the clerk as a fucking stress release toy. Pushing your BS on them and daring them to respond, when you know full well they can't do that even if they had all the right arguments, all the right evidence, and the moral high ground. They *can't* respond, or they'll lose their jobs. So you just keep pushing them down, mocking them while safely hiding behind your big angry mob and popular opinion, making sure his hands are tied.

Coward.

>>8286865

>if college is "free" the expectation from the public is that everyone will be able to attend, and if that is not the case then administrators are going to get replaced with ones that do

Well i guess it's doomed then, demagogs will always win and education systems will remain shitty until the end of times \o/

>>8286882

>Stop. European social democracy is not applicable to the US.

Of course not, and we all know education will never be free in the US, however that does not justify the ridiculous sums tuition in american colleges amounts to. Moreover that money mostly goes to pay skilled researchers the college brings from overseas, and whilst it's great to have top labs where you study, does researchers usually have little influence on the provided education. This is what creates college rankings where only the US and UK seem to have high level education when most of the score is based on published articles and academia, versus the actual quality of teaching. The sheer mass of those colleges therefore has a direct impact on most famed rankings, thus leaving systems such as french "grandes écoles" where students are a few hundred behind in comparision.

>>8285142
Because "free" isn't actually free. Plus, with all the useless majors out there, you don't want a bunch of people going on our tab just so they can be qualified in underwater basket weaving. It has zero returns for society.

>>8285142
In America if you are really, really smart. i.e. top few percent. You will be able to get scholarships to essentially pay for all your education. If you go to Grad school you should be able to get the Uni to pay for it anyway.

>>8286549
I would not trust the US Gov to create rigorous entrance exams. Even if the initial incarnation is good, it will turn to shit over time as people will complain it doesn't let useless majors in or that it's racist. Once they give in, the system will never go back because that wouldn't be politically correct. We'd be left with a huge tab while mr useless major is at McDonalds flipping burgers after college.

>>8287163

>Well i guess it's doomed then, demagogs will always win and education systems will remain shitty until the end of times \o/

at least until the college loan system breaks down, just like it did with subprime home mortgages. But nothing will change on this front until banks themselves get fucked

>however that does not justify the ridiculous sums tuition in american colleges amounts to

and it happens in part due to government intervention, specifically states providing public colleges and the federal government backing all student loans unconditionally (though, it'll ruin the student's credit and more or less force them into perpetual bankruptcy)

>>8286307
...and here they are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MubunsD-7g

>>8286977

It's going that way in the UK too.

More students = more money and with the increase in student tuition for each year almost tripling and every university wanting to charge the highest amount to recuperate costs...

>>8285185
This post is biased, by a butthurt cuck.

>>8285142
Education requires; teachers, books and other resources, and that cost money. I think what would help would be making libraries free accessible and scientific knowledges, that way you can study whatever you want but it shouldn't be a substitute for school.

Self learning is the best education. Like solitude is the best society.

>>8285898
Learning styles are bullshit, you're made adapt so you will adapt to learn however...

>>8287366
>I think what would help would be making libraries free accessible and scientific knowledges
Libraries are already free... and you can usually pirate scientific papers online. Don't know what you're getting at here.

>>8285142
Same basic reason we weren't all that big on Obamacare, rightly or wrongly we're afraid of greater government intervention.

I mean, government student loan involvement is a lot of why shit's expensive as fuck here.

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>>8287163
>thinking money mostly goes to research

>>8285142
Free university is a bad idea. That's objectively true.

Note, this doesn't apply to all countries. In many places free universities may well be a great idea. Not in the US.

Consider that the US has better colleges than everyone else. Across the board, the majority of top 10 international colleges for most subjects are from the United States. France and the UK have some competitors, but the college system is dominated by the US. Why? Because we have private colleges that are dedicated to producing the best. Capitalism has flaws, but expensive high-quality services isn't one of them. Privatized American universities BTFO everyone else. If we make universities free, we downgrade to the level of other countries, not to mention the fact that Americans aren't gonna stand for the increased taxes needed to pay for it.

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>>8285142
Yes OP lets bring in humans like this into universities what could possibly go wrong.

>>8287625
ban college sports and dismantle ncaa when?

>>8287651
I wish, f a m.

Don't know why athletic teams have always been so connected to universities. Why the fuck they be leaching?

>>8285142


For one thing it could simply lower the validity of having certain credentials.

Having any university education whatsoever used to be a reliable signal that you were super smart and it would land you jobs easily. Then that signal got pushed to a masters or above, then to a PhD or above, and then only to a PhD in the sciences, and then to the hard sciences, and now the hard sciences are beginning to suffer from REAL imposters who work on worthless minutiae just because they are low hanging fruit.

>>8285461

Keep in mind that the people themselves are more of the problem, and not the programs. This proposal, if it does not also quell the number of people entering the universities, could be disastrous to science in the US since now there would be no containment fields for the idiots. There would be an idiotic demand for every person to go to university, AND they would all be funnelled into science, making it insufferable. I would rather just have them all go into women's studies and African sexual identity studies than force scientists to have to coddle these """people""" like the other fields have to do.

Also, a lot of the other programs that filthy normies go into might actually be good if college access wasn't as open and only somewhat intelligent people worked in those fields.

>>8285516

>Confusing manifestations of cancer with it's symptoms

>>8285142
>Why are Americans so resistant to free university?

community college is practically free if you are poor. FAFSA will more than cover a full semester. in fact, i knew a bunch of kids who'd abuse the system by taking a bunch of credits, then withdrawing from half when the FAFSA came through so they could get refund money back.

the problem is nobody wants to go to community college for 2 years just to end up going to their local state college. entitled faggots want to spend all 4 years at a prestigious private institution that costs 50k$ a semester.

>>8287677
>Having any university education whatsoever used to be a reliable signal that you were super smart and it would land you jobs easily.

that hasn't really changed. only ~38% of the population has a degree of any kind. this includes technical degrees, 2 year associates, and shit from fly-by-night degree mills. the amount of people with a bachelors or higher from a legit institution is still pretty low.

more importantly, the unemployment rate for a degree holder in the US is less than 3%. you take for granted the weight that having a secondary education grants you because thats social caste you belong to. all you see are people with bachelors degree's, so they must be common and worthless.

they are neither.

>>8287051
>racism is a combination of power and privilege
>implying whoever born white or asian has privileges
please explain to me why you are not a racist

no way to fund the college. impossible for government to funnel money into thousands of schools. Public taxes would increase a shitload and no one would agree to that.

Colleges run on tuition paid by students. This goes into paying employees and all the other necessary stuff to run a campus.

Free higher education is a meme. Ideally you would learn everything you would need to be an average functioning member of society by the time you finish high school (not always the case). University is there for people who want to specialize in a certain area that requires in depth knowledge and skills.

>>8287716
Removing sports from schools would actually free up more money than you realize. A lot of universities are willing to go into large debt to keep their football teams.

>>8287723
Yea I realize that money is spent on a lot of pointless garbage as well but the simple fact is there is no possible way to fund colleges outside of student paid tuition. Of course you can argue that tuition is higher than necessary but that doesn't change the fact that free college would be funded by the government or the public. And neither would be willing to do that.

>>8287716
>University is there for people who want to specialize in a certain area that requires in depth knowledge and skills.

>Implying thats why people go to college

a higher education is the mark of the upper class. nobody wants to be a fuckin' pleb.

>>8285142
This in combination with raising the education standards would be ideal but more likely than not making university free would just invite a bunch of stupid poor people to come in and deal drugs on campus

>Why are Americans so resistant to free [thing]?
I think it's the "Protestant work ethic". As far as I understand it, it's a curiously Catholic-sounding principle that basically implies people deserve whatever they get as far as the effort they apply. High effort warrants good things and low effort warrants less good things or nothing. The weirdest thing is that it seems to be applied in reverse too-- the life a worker is considered great because it's the life of someone who expends a lot of effort, and conversely the life of someone idle, whether they're rich or poor, is considered not very good because they didn't in "enough" effort.
t. American trying to make sense of this stuff all his life but especially the last few years

>>8287738
The Scandinavian countries are also protestant (in culture) but have the biggest wellfare states

>>8287727
Sports is by far the largest cost, especially building and maintaining stadiums and facilities.

Also, there is a large moral cost. Exercise science is the new women's studies degree.

>>8286296
Even engineering varies a fair amount, you'll find a good few in chemical or bioengineering, but EE is an absolute sausage fest.

>>8285185
>Not having entrance exams to keep retards out
>Not having private colleges to keep poorfags out.

>>8286634
No, at least not in the community college I went to. I'm not sure if there was a cutoff for being kicked out grade-wise; if there was it was fairly low. There's the matter of entrance exams though, and I'm not sure how that works, I just know I got it and was able to place into certain classes. There's also the fact it is normal here to stop someone's access to free tuition if their grades drop, and it's hard to imagine that would not continue.

In other words, people don't need to worry, it'll still only be dedicated people getting through college.

>>8286738
There's this factor too. Lots of people already get free college and it's not flooding anything.
I've lived in or near Flint, Michigan for about 15 years and the economic situation there is pretty fuckin' grim, so I'm sure a lot of people in Flint are eligible for the Pell grant, the nationwide free college program. Despite that, the community college I went too was not packed to the brim, nor was it packed with people specifically seeking arts degrees, and...

>>8287177
Even if there had been, there were pretty serious general education requirements for graduation, and there was more serious ones for a full associate's degree, and those requirements were relatively small compared to the requirements fortransferring to nearby university and getting a bachelor's degree. Not to mention...

>>8286882
There were a lot of other people at my college that made use of the Pell grant, and the college received some government funding too. It wasn't guaranteed full funding, but it did have a good amount of it, and that didn't fuck with the quality of it.

It sounds like a lot of this relates to universities. If people have a problem with universities, fine, but they only make up part of the post-secondary education system. If people are really concerned about these things and these problems are really out there, they should be working to make our universities better (and live up to their "inferior" cousins).

>>8287746
American religion is a strange thing. I mean we put the Puritans on a pedestal for a long time, and for much of that time it was with actual recognition of who and what they were.
Also I didn't mean to imply that I think those principles are way off, I think effort should be rewarded and lack of effort should mean a lack of reward, but the, well the religious sort of fervor that some people put into that principle is concerning.
A lot of that concern comes from the reverse application. I think a workaday life is good and fulfilling (enough) and important, but this working backwards to say that people who don't have that must have not put in the effort and therefore don't deserve good things, that seems flawed. There's a similar process now too where anyone who seeks serious help, or who wants it, or even anyone who doesn't want it but accepts it because they need it, is placed in the same boat-- they're assumed to be someone who didn't put in the effort, and therefore not deserving of the help they're accepting.

>>8285179
I believe the idea is that the person has a way of thinking that, when provided with the necessary education in "oncology" could yield the cancer cure.

>>8285185
The US education system is rotten from the core. You'd need a drastic reform to all education, not just colleges.

>>8287925
>general education requirements
That's nice and all but nobody is going to care that you got a mix of history and English studies with your degree. People care about what your degree is and that it is coming from an accredited university. Whatever else that comes with it is bonus material.

>>8285142

Then what the fuck do they need school for?

>>8288003
Well that's another factor. Who gives a shit if people use it for bullshit degrees if over the half the jobs they're going to apply for don't care which specific degree their employees have?

>>8285186
By the time you're old enough to go to college, the socioeconomic status of your parents and peers has more of less completely determined whether you ended up getting enough support to even be smart enough to go to college. Tons of kids from the ghetto might have ended up vastly more intelligent than they ended up being as adults if they had been given quality teachers, parents who read to them, a peer group not full of chimps, etc. The tabula rasa / just world shit would be valid if education were equal in K-12, which it obviously isn't.

>>8287649
>humans

>>8288324
I was born in a 3rd world country ghetto here. I'm telling you that most of the madafackers here don't want to go to school. K-12 was almost free. They just want to hang out, have fun, fuck around, beat up other to "prove" themselves. It's a cultural things and what the fuck happen when you say "OMG university is now free". Nothing will change for them bullshit, they don't even care. They don't even want to finish K-12. They were forced to. For them K-12 is something normal people used to shame them. They don't want to be in academic environment.
It's not like the madafackers were not given the chance for good education. They were. But they wasted it. My grandparents was fucking servants a.k.a slaves but they always enjoyed school. It's not about the money, it's about the the fucking culture. Making university free won't make any difference for these mofos.

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>force the taxpayer to fund public primary schools
>they are shit

>force the taxpayer to fund public high schools
>they are shit

>force the taxpayer to fund public universities, which would be more expensive by several orders of magnitude
>It'll be great, guys!

Yes, by all means, tax my already over-taxed income so Shaqueeba can get that degree in Combating Sexism through the Use of Interpretive Dance.

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>>8286549

>durrr, it works in my tiny all-white Euro-hovel built on oil reserves

>therefore, it will work just fine for a racially-diverse country that is 20 times bigger than mine

>>8286258

>SJW's
>Christians
>The same group

This is how you spot some Euroshitter talking out of their ass.

>>8285186

Not if they're white.

>>8285142
>genius
>couldn't get a scholarship
kek

>Cure for cancer as a singular thing and not a multitude of related but distinct treatments and processes
double kek

>>8288627
Yes, it is about the culture and you can't extricate culture and poverty from each other. They have the culture they do because they're poor, and they're poor partially because they have the culture they do and partially for a large number of reasons mostly related to how class functions. Moreoever, do you honestly think people from well off families are so much more responsible as a people than people from poorer ones? Lol no - a wealth of social statistics demonstrate that mediocre kids from good backgrounds perform better than the top kids from poor ones.

>Making university free won't make any difference for these mofos.
Compare income mobility between countries where education is free and countries where it isn't. Not hard to find evidence.

>>8286549
Nords have the highest IQs in Europe this is not surprising but in America free college would be a bad idea because there are many many many many 17 and above black americans that should be allowed anywhere near a campus.

>>8285185
In Argentina we have Universidad de Buenos Aires (UBA) which is completely free and no entry exams. Any idiot can sign up and start going. As expected, it is a huge shitfest. On some lectures you cannot find a seat, so you have people sitting on the floor and hanging outside the actual classroom trying to listen. This is of course on the 1st year courses, because after that about 50% of the students drop out; last year courses are usually pretty empty.

Then you have Universidad de La Plata, also free, but with a strict entry exam. On some years, only about 10 students pass the exam for med school. And every year, there's a big fucking protest by all the idiots who couldn't get in. Fucking hell.

>>8288650
why won't /pol/ fuck off from this board?

in b4
>not from /pol/
you are clearly using /pol/ memes

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> Mfw the state pays for my 200k€ medschool

Though it's hard to get in to study good subjects here so that the state won't waste it's money on lazy dropouts.

Regards, Funland

>>8286329
What kind of logic is there to giving you a task that has to be done a certain way and tell you to wing it, and then demote you for doing it wrong/not knowing what to do?

That would probably demotivate 8/10 people and make them hate the job instead and give a bad workforce as a result.

>>8288690
Also there's the little thing known as income tax.

Which is about 50% for doctors in Finland...

t. Same

>>8288712
Isn't that tax added to the ammount earned over a certain sum?

t.Swede

>>8285142
What if the cure for faggotry is trapped inside the mind of the person resulting from an unused sperm?

Sorry OP.

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>>8285142
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pembrolizumab

There is progress all the time in the fight against cancer. In addition to advanced melanoma, pembrolizumab is being tried against 30 different cancers, including prostate.

>>8285185
>0.2

>>8285185
In my country uni is free, however if you fail a course three times you're kicked out for good, unless you have good reason (family death, financial hardship like supporting a family etc).
It works well, a lot of people drop in year 1 and only those willing and able move to year 2 or 3 to graduate.

But everyone has the opportunity.

>>8285142
>uneducated
>cure for cancer trapped inside his brain

makes it that much easier to get the dope to sign the forms allowing the extraction procedure and releasing the scientists in charge from any liability

>be actual smart person
>want to go to yale, harvard couses
>arrive in cambridge ma
>don't apply for admission
>attend the lectures

>>8288947
>You are now aware that this information can be obtained for free either here or online or at libraries and your university fee is actually paying for "practical elements" of your education depending on your degree and to subsidise the research of your professors, and all you actually receive for your money that you couldn't get elsewhere is the qualification

>>8288650
>strife automatically goes away when everyone's the same race
>turmoil just evaporates when everyone's white
provably untrue and you know it
>money
America isn't the richest country but it's up there, and if we reallocate funds it won't be as much of a problem to provide education, health care, or whatever else
>size
so have it be state by state, or you know, have competent people run it
>no one in the government is competent
that's bullshit, there's almost definitely a few people in there you did vote for or would vote for or otherwise do or would trust

>>8287434
I was planning on making a point about how you could learn whatever you want in the libraries, but my point is flawed. Kids can't learn structured they need guidance, also they need someone to nurture where there good at/skills.

This whole topic is complex, you can't talk about free education, without taking about economics/finance, and politics.

>>8289175
you can ask questions in lectures.

>>8288650
Free education works in post soviet shithole Poland and PISA ranks it way higher than USA.

It's impossible without taxing the fuck out of the middle class. I hope I don't have to explain to leftists why excessively high taxes are bad.

Tuition prices would also skyrocket since universities could just set tuition prices as high as they want with no consequences, this is subsidies 101.

>>8287819
Poor people arent inherently less intelligent or ambitious than rich people, they're just a product of their shitty environment and were never exposed to a more conducive one early on, quality of education plays a huge role and they deserve the same quality as everyone else. I know plenty of rich idiots who are unambitious, and this is coming from a richfag who has access to the best education.

>>8289175
>being around world leading experts
>not utilizing this
They can answer questions for you. They can recommend further areas of study. They often give homework problems or extra lectures based upon things they personally find interesting that go beyond the standard scope of the course, not to mention semesterly special topics courses. Further, your colleagues should be a tremendous asset to your learning at a good school.

>>8285845
>Implying that we want to keep the necessity of university for everyone
>Implying that countries with free university have a higher attainment rate than the US
>implying that we don't want to fund polytechnics and trades schools

>>8285891
>Be me
>Don't fall for university scam
>Learn everything I need to know from the internet for free
>Finally ready to apply for a job
>Arrive at normiecorp
>The interviewer greets me and we small talk a bit
>Interviewer: "it says on your résumé that you didn't go to university"
>Me: "no university is a socialist scam used to brainwash people into becoming liberal globalists for the Illuminati. I learned everything I know about chemical engineering from Khan academy, the internet and Alex Jones"
>Interviewer:"oh shit you're hired"

Here in France college is free since quite a lot of time, and something wonderful happened : we have an average IQ of 250 and everybody makes 150K starting salaray.
Just kidding.
In France there's basicaly two types of higher education, university and "superior school" where engineering/communication/manager/etc students go . It was like that for quite some time, but since every fucker goes into university and it became high school 2.0, standards have plumeted and pretty much going to university is setting yourself up for failure or doing research.
The gap between the rich who can go to these schools and the poor who go to university deepened, to the point where nobody chose litterary studies in high school because you can't get to those good schools with that.
My Dad is an archeology professor and he categoricaly refuse to do courses with first year students since the class are overcrowded to fuck (in medicine or law it's sometime up to 300 people in an amphitheater) and nobody cares.
The state of education here is sad.

TL;DR : making education free doesn't make everybody educated it makes the education worthless.

>>8291827
>The gap between the rich who can go to these schools and the poor who go to university
You're presenting that as if going to superior schools is not free faggots.
All the best schools are state-funded and free.

The problem with uni isn't that it's free, it's the lack of selection at entry. And the lack of real selection in general.

Superior schools are good because of the competitive exams to get in there.

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In Germany you cant get into a university without an Abitur. To pass the math section of the Abitur you need to know up to at least calc 1, just to give an idea of the level of knowledge necessary.

In the states you can get into college with an SAT score of like 1200/2400 and a high school diploma which has a minimum math level of algebra 2 sometimes even less if you take alternative math. That's how it was when I graduated at least.

So if you make it free you have to increase the requirements.

>>8286293
He didn't say blacks. I encountered plenty of white kids who were incapable of sitting down, shutting up, and paying attention in high school and college.

>>8291663
>It's impossible without taxing the fuck out of the middle class
Why not the upper class?

>>8285891
Do you have anything to back up that people can make it through uni without lectures or textbooks or tutorials? I can see how internet gets better at supplementing or partially substituting textbooks, but especially the other two (which are not substituted by textbooks from what I have heard) are not going to become obsolete anytime soon.

>>8286010
Instead, the gov could just pay for tuition directly to prevent abuse. That only brongs the issue that if someone fails the course then they wasted that money by taking courses they did not have the resources for.

>>8286080
OP did not say everyone needs that education.

>>8291663
Have you not been paying attention? College does not cost as much as people charge for it. All we need is some price influencing, not even price fixing necessarily, just something to very strongly incentivize colleges to not jack up their prices. Alternatively, the program could provide a fixed amount of funds and let you have your choice of college, and pay the remainder if it charges more than that. That's how the existing Pell grant works and that's a pretty functional system.

>>8287662
>>8287651
Duude schools make so much money from sports it's unreal. A lot of that money then gets funneled to researchers.

>>8285845
>both standards and value of degree plummet further as bachelor's becomes a minimum requirement to navigate through society
>first year University courses are already just remedial high school material full of people who complain about having to use algebra

This is literally what has happened in Australia. You NEED a bachelor's to get a job, so everyone has one, which has caused a massive economic strain as university tuition is paid for by the taxpayer (you pay it back later as extra tax once you make a certain amount of money per year). Now people are being forced into master's courses just to get a leg up on everyone else, which further strains the system. Add on top of that people are getting their degrees and leaving the country, never actually paying off the tuition they wracked up, it's all going to eventually cripple Australia's economy. This is my main objection to "free" tertiary education, as it just ends up fucking everything and everyone.

>>8288858
/this

>>8285185
make the tests harder so the dumbs can't
reach college

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you need a new school system that support the smart ones more than the dumb
(the american system tries to make everyone smart)
I tried to draw one in paint its based on the one Germany ((((had)))) (Tfw some states try to make it american )

as much as i hate the whole 'make america great again' thing, they are a nation founded on the idea of every person for themselves. as backwards as that is in this day and age, let them do them.

>>8288627
what country are you from? Just curious.

>>8293852
Canada.

>>8286329
Kill them

>>8285280
Socialism works; Ahmed loves it! Right, European? Americans sure are being fooled by their governments. Good thing we Europeans are smarter than those stupid, nationalistic Americans. :)

>>8285142

>implying curing cancer would be a good thing

sorry to the anons who have lost someone to cancer but we are living way too fucking long as it is

>>8286329
Kafka/10

>>8285251
So underrated. Talent is a fucking bullshit meme.

What if we lower the number of secondary-school years to compensate for free college, both in monetary cost and in time spent?
Most people don't learn much the last 1-5 years of school. That's especially true in terms of what they use or even remember a few years later. Depending on the results of student's placement tests and their major and their specific college, any given student is probably going to be going over things they were already taught in high school. This would also lessen the load of educating people who figured out at 17 or 16 that they don't need or don't want more education and are just going because of social pressure.

>>8285142
Because or economy is kinda shit right now so trying to make a change that big on a moments notice would ruin everything. At the very least we need to wait a while before trying.

Our free university resistance is high because we took points from intelligence to boost our charisma.

>>8294593
ebin

>>8285142
>Cure
>Cancer
WEW

>>8286293
They also don't have a population of 300 million

>>8286557
The issue is that unis adapt to the desires of their students. Universities are free to research and teach what they want, and students are free to pay for what they desire. You don't want to censor the freedom of research, and you don't want to treat students like toddlers who are unable to make economic choices on their own, right?
The phenomenon you speak about is actually connected to making students the ones who fund a field in exchange of receiving education in that field. Gender studies would not have so many professors if students would not economically support it. You make it sound as if too much money is your problem. Prohibit universities to increase tuitions, then.

>>8286865
> It's basic economics
his is the entire point of making education "free"
There are several things wrong with the idea you are conveying here, and it seems mostly based on applying your definition of quote unquote free so you can talk about something different.

> if each student's tuition is paid by the state then the college has a huge incentive to admit anyone and everyone
> If all fees are paid by some external entity (not the student), then the goal will be to maximize costs and grow the pool of students as large as possible.
A university needs to train people in its own interest. Money is not all they need to function and make more money.
You pretend that all they need are high admission rates, and deliberately ignore that they need to train people for their own survival lest they run out of able researchers and docents.

And that's only if we pretend that this incentive exists for a university running on a budget-basis. But if the government provides a fixed amount of money for education depending on how many students do how well after graduation, then there is no incentive for a college to just push their capacity because "the law of large numbers says that some of them will have to pass".

> if college is "free" the expectation from the public is that everyone will be able to attend
Which loosely defined public are you referring to here? Why are expectations important instead of results? I'd agree with you if you said "will be allowed to attend". As anon said, entry exams provide for that. Grade requirements provide for that. Making students pay for themselves if they aren't good enough provides for that. Just put up testable requirements which can are likely to be failed if you don't know enough or have not enough ambition.

> academic organizations are made up of fallible people
And so could be people like you posting something like this. Not an argument.

>>8287644
Your argument might or might not be valid. However, it can be countered by: Not all American colleges are high-quality producing the best, the standards you put on US universities cannot and do not apply to all US universities, and nothing speaks against having private high-cost universities along "worse" universities which still train students to work in a field requiring the education level higher than undergraduate.

I rather see an argument here that in many places free universities may well be a great idea. But not if Ivy League / MIT etc. would also become free, and maybe some international universities could be considered elite and requiring to tuition as well.

>>8285179
Extreme autism that never got to reach its potential.

>>8286865
>if each student's tuition is paid by the state then the college has a huge incentive to admit anyone and everyone.
There are entrance exams. When there aren't, everyone is admitted, yeah. But about 25%-30% make it to second year.
>More importantly if college is "free" the expectation from the public is that everyone will be able to attend,
No ? European public unis are actually hard to get a degree in. You don't purchase your degree and your network as in US unis, you earn it.
> It's basic economics
Lol. Making university free leads to students graduating because of their talent and hard work, not because they have filthy-rich parents.

If you had to pay several thousands of dollars for your degree, you've basically been scammed

>>8285142
Then you should give me money,...

For sure it is somebody without eductaion, educated people are educatedfd about cancer to be uncurable,...

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Heard this argument, makes somewhat sense to me. I'll try to explain:

"If colleges were free, the quality of living and all the extra things you get (gym access, food program, etc. etc. etc.) would go to shit."

Are they right? The university I'm attending next year offers so many amazing things that I feel they don't need to, and if college was free I feel like they'd cut all that shit.