Seriously guys, give me a viable fucking solution to overpopulation.

>>8242424
stop assistentialism. seriously, you can't keep giving so much aid to useless people in the form of free money, they're just going to breed into more useless people. aid needs to be geared towards preparing people to be useful.

>>8242424
War
Running out of resources
Diseases
Collapse of infrastructure

>>8242424
Mass sterilization of a generation. Skip about 10 or so years of population growth

gas the undesirables

>>8242437
That is a thrilling idea indeed...
Perhaps I`ll dedicate my life to that

>>8242424
>overpopulation

Epic maymay bro. "Overpopulation" has already started solving its self, birth rates the world over are in decline and the annual growth rate has been in decline since the mid 60's. The world's population will peak within the next 100 years then begin to decline. If you want something to complain about then you have some good options:
>Overproduction
>Poor allocation of resources
>Overfishing (for which there's already some mitigation in place, but its worth making some noise about)
>General wrecking of the oceans

The second and last is where you should concentrate.

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>>8242424

Eugenics-only the people who have one or more of an arbitrary collection of traits which I personally decree would be allowed to reproduce.

Genocide.

>>8242424
Step 1: Legalize euthanasia for all who volunteer (including children).
Step 2: Stop sending aid to child-shitting countries and stop taking immigrants from child-shitting countries.
Step 3: Make any kind of national welfare system dependent on non-reproduction. If the poor want money, they have to forgo children.
Step 4: Let children earn their own money by selling labor and sex, so at least they carry more of their own weight.
Step 5: Reduce pensions and healthcare for old people. If they complain, point out step 1.

>>8242441
Make it count. Remember, you have to get them all or they'll just regrow again.

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Over saturate the global population with education.

Seriously highly educated people have less kids and entire populations with high education obtainment have birth rates with moderately low levels.

Don't use war and don't use disease that shit actually accelerates population growth because children are seen as "capital" in those situations.

>every person on earth can fit inside texas with 1200 sq ft each
>over populatard

>>8242458
This could actually work, but good luck winning elections with it. Perhaps a dictator could pull it off.

>>8242563
That's not what it means and you know it.

Most of the worlds population growth is slowing down and even decreasing in some places (Japan). The real problem is africa billions of them are going to be coming into existence within the next couple decades.

>>8242424
natural selection
now stop being edgy

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Force adoption. End the life of one half of those who procreate.

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A terraformed Mars is what we need.

>>8242580
No, we need a magic curse like in Once Upon a Time my favority TV documentary.

I am an Elon Musk fanboy and the biggest idiot ever.

>>8242431
Pretty much, the idea of self regulation when it comes to breeding protocols is completely off the table. One short lived religious cult reviled sex in general and quickly died out.

>>8242571
Only Christians would be down with that then you get a world full of that team, and into another dark ages where all those solutions manifest, it will probably be plague again but with modern medicine perhaps depletion of critical resources. When fossil fuels get seriously depleted there go a few billion minimum.

>>8242424
>what is china?
srsly the one child policy or some more clever version of that could be the most human and controllable way of doing this.

>le overpopulation
>eugenics
>terraformed mars

sure is meme science in here

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>>8242586
>>8242586
>Only Christians would be down with that then you get a world full of that team, and into another dark ages where all those solutions manifest, it will probably be plague again but with modern medicine perhaps depletion of critical resources. When fossil fuels get seriously depleted there go a few billion minimum.

This is an 18+ website buddy

>>8242594
and your solution is ?

>>8242591
China repealed it's one child policy last year after it realised it was heading for a demographic bomb. I'm going to say it again, annual growth rates have been declining since the 60/70's.

>>8242424
Poison food aid.

>>8242598
Bullshit, it was never meant to last that long and they didn't "repeal" it, they replaced it with a 2-child-policy. Compare with the niggers who still shit out 5 children per woman.

If anything, China has an overpopoulation of old people now.

>>8242424
Lets get one thing staight here anon we white people can produce as much kids as we want, its the blacks, east asians, and indians that need to take a slow down on their fucking. So focus on them and not the entire planet ok OP.

>>8242442
t. baby boomer with 5 children and wife with yet another pregnancy

>>8242604
Christ anon why are you so aggressive? Did a chink molest you? Also if you remove one policy and replace it with another, you've repealed it.

>>8242613
You write bullshit, I call bullshit. If you can't handle the truth, fuck off and go to disney.com or something.

>>8242465
What you meant was
POOR educated people have less kids.

I've never in my life meet a very rich smart person that didn't have over 10 kids with different wives.

>>8242620
But it wasn't bullshit. China is heading for a demographic bomb, it has repealed it's one child policy, and global annual growth rates have been declining. The first two are clear, the last see here:
>http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.GROW

>>8242424
Contraceptives.

>>8242424
nature has a self-regulative mechanism that prevents overpopulation
no need for a solution

>>8242640
Hey Malthus, what ya doing?

>>8242598
This is the "more clever version" on my part. It was kinda wrong how they did it, but in a serious case of overpopulation (this is the base assumption, even if the reality is slightly different), i dont see any other way to solve such a problem.

Make a law that forbids having children unless you have a minimum amount of resources and studies.

Im fucking tired of the scum that has many children but is poor as fuck and doesn't have any education.They can't even sustain themselves and end up as beggars in the street.Those people deserve to be beaten up and jailed for being so fucking cancerous to society.

>>8242652
B-b-but anon, eugenics is for bad goys! We must provide for the poor and helpless needy and the 9 offspring they chose to have!

Stop giving aid to African and other third world shit holes. When we give them aid, they don't learn anything and they just increase their rates of reproduction since they have more free shit coming in to sustain increased populations. There is zero reason to send aid to sub-human third world countries when all it does is cause their populations to grow and thus making them require even more aid in an endless cycle.

>>8242424
Jesus will come back before 2100 so don't worry

>>8242431
Pretty much. It's completely fucked, but we are akin to cancer.

>>8242580

OK, and how are we going to get billions of people to Mars?

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Faggots historically always whine about overpopulation but in reality never happens.

That's because it turns out that humans don't only come out with a mouth but also a pair of hands and a brain. The more humans there are around the more work can be done and more importantly, the greater the chance for inventions and discoveries.

That said, physically speaking this can't be averted forever (although we have no evidence that the Earth can't support 10bil, no problems). However, at that point there is another observation to be made. That well-off societies tend to have small birthrates (if not outright shrinking).

Thus, far from all that edgy "gas the poor" stuff, the objective ought to simply be to make everyone western-like middle class.

Not only will this enormously help the economy (since only rich people buy crap).
Not only this would enormously help science/engineering (since you need to have some free time to study/think rather than work a field all day or beg)
But it would solve overpopulation as well if not begin reversing it.

>>8242719
Perhaps, but I'd still rather kill everyone.

Abolition of welfare

there is no problem of overpopulation in europe, so i guess just do what they're doing. not having 10 children per family could be a good start.

>>8242729
The problem is migration.

>>8242429
You almost got it.
The only reason any country gives "aid" is to get something in return. Most famously, resources.

>>8242728

Yes, because countries with comprehensive welfare systems tend toward higher population growth than countries with poor or no welfare systems.

>>>/pol/

>>8242741
>What is zakat?
>>>/reddit/

>>8242741
Fuck off rapefugee lover. No work, no money.

Remove all welfare.

>>8242429

>preparing people to be useful.

So that they can develop economically specialised societies, infrastructure and manage their own national resources?

Where the fuck would we get our resources from at the dirt cheap prices we do today?

Think about what you're saying, anon.

eugenics

>>8242773

Cheap food resultant of subsidized grain farming, keeps the poor over fed and ready to breed.

Therefore, you'd have to abolish corporate welfare too.

>>8242822
Yeah obviously. Giving them tax breaks are a ridiculous and unjust idea to begin with

>>8242424
Treated as a national problem, it's sort of fixed. Developed Western countries don't really have a problem with the native populations' growth. Other factors such as immigration and non-native populations are the only things really influencing population growth. And, honestly, I don't think that in our political climate it's possible to "fix" those in any meaningful way (although, I am very political pessimist).

As a global problem, the "issue" is "developing" countries. We would need to spend a great deal of time, effort, and money on these places to educate, improve their infrastructure, and ... speaking frankly .. "culturally enrich" them (which may or may not be ethically permissible or morally justifiable depending on how you look at it). In short, it is a huge barrier that I think we are unlikely to overcome.

Another consideration is that no one is a paragon of reason, and next to no one acts on purely rationality alone. It's similar to the global warming issue [whether you actually believe in global warming or not is besides the point, so don't get distracted]: the people who happen to believe in global warming and are trying to affect environmental policy, are having the exact same issues that people with population concerns are and will continue to have. That is, that people don't just looks at some population stats and say "oh shit, better not have kids then". Even if you do this, even if many people make that conscious decision, the overwhelming majority don't. So your job wouldn't just be a case of activism, you would have to fundamentally subvert the motivating factors that lead people to child rearing. Much like subverting the culture of developing countries, this may or may not be ethically and morally sound.

One last consideration is that the "right" thing isn't always perceived as being the most ethically desirable.

>>8242652
And how do you force them to obey such laws/adapt it into real life in 3rd world shithole where there is no active state/law enforcment exist?
I agree with you,but it would cause a massive civil war.
Many problem in the western world comes from abusing personal rights,and neglecting personal responsibility.

>>8242895
You could always start a foundation that pays poor women to get their tubes tied. Some women did a similar thing for drug addicts and it went okay.

>>8242458

nwo fuck off

>>8242918
So you can take care an insignificant amount of the problem like 0,5%?The problem is more complex and disperse to solve it like this...

>>8242944
you gotta start somewhere.

>>8242458
1:There would be a lot of misuse,and an administration mistake could be fatal.
2.Partially agree with that.
3.And how would it effect the economy in the long term?
4:And how would it save humanity,if it destroys the next generation?
5.They paid for it,so it would be stealing.It would be better if you could choose to pay it or not,and live with the consequences of your decision.

>>8242946
It's just a temporary solution.Like giving morphine to a last stadium bone cancer patient.You won't get rid of the cancer,just vanquish the symptoms.

>>8242429
Firstly you don't understand how international aid works, like most people who claim we should 'stop giving people free money' as if that's what actually happens, and secondly life expectancy is inversely proportional to population growth rate. There's a reason why the countries with the highest growth rates are Afghanistan and the Congo.

>>8242424
The actual answer is education, especially education of women, and family planning availability such as contraceptives and guidance counselling. The population of a country closely resembles a sine wave as a high birth, high mortality country becomes a high birth, low mortality country becomes a low birth, low mortality country. It's happened in every developed nation and it's happening in every developing nation.

Furthermore, 'overpopulation' isn't actually a problem because there's no hard cap on how many people can exist on the planet at once, only on total resource usage. There is already vastly more food and energy being produced than is needed, it's just that so much energy and manpower is used on making newer and shinier gadgets for those living in rich nations. The 'unwashed masses' people complain of that exist in Africa and Asia obviously use far fewer resources per person than citizens of developed nations - the problem is that they want to live like the citizens of developed nations and the planet can't support 7-10 billion people with that lifestyle.

Vote for the worst of leaders, they will cut your freedom. And make us slaves. Wage wars for ulterior reasons. Induce social anxiety, false or bullshit news, marketing and trading, consumerism is filtered roughly by things that humans find attracted. Burn one generation, make the next generation prone to early life abuse. Same as Japan.

Control the conformity, control the population.

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>>8243008
>ebil white whales

>>8243019
>ctrl+f 'white'
>zero in my post
I wonder if someone's fixated on something

Either way, education is how you solve it and if you think otherwise you don't know shit

>>8243028
Describe the rich nations,or the nations who lives up the vast majority of the resources.

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>>8243028
Do you think we didn't have the means to fix the problem?

>>8243031
Why? 'Race' (on top of being biologically undefined) is irrelevant anyway, humans en masse all act the same

>>8243033
>a thing one guy did one time changes how to reduce population growth in developing nations
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make anyway

>>8243038
So you are part of the problem?

>>8242770
>>8242764
>literally no arguments
>triggered into shouting buzzwords

>>8243038
>humans en masse all act the same
the statistics say otherwise

>>8243047
but statistics deal with human en masse

>>8243040
Well, yes and no because I'm well educated and don't plan on having many children but I also have this expensive computer made using using lots of energy and rare elements.

But I'm not advocating genocide of myself or others because of that, whereas other people in this thread seem to be - not realising that such a thing would only massively spike the growth rate.

If you want a radical solution, ban pet ownership and ban almost all meat eating (it's efficient to still have a few pigs and goats, as they eat farm waste, and a few cows and sheep as they maintain certain grassland habitats and you might as well eat them afterwards). Bam, the planet can now support a much larger number of people, easily enough to cover the projected maximum population. Good luck convincing developed nations to give up their Big Macs and developing nations to give up their dreams of Big Macs though.

>>8243047
Show me some then!

>>8243063
But people living in poverty have smaller carbon footprint...
Anyway,according to your logic smart people should be the ones who reproduce more.So you are doing more harm than good.

>>8242424
SEX
ED

>>8242424
Create a viable nuclear fusion reactor and you don't need to solve overpopulation.

>>8243079
>smart people
Smart people are ones with education. The vast majority of the world isn't as smart as it could be, and that's because they aren't educated. There isn't a passable gene that makes you have access to schooling - and for that reason, fewer children is better because you can then afford to make them all smart. Besides which, the goal is a lower population and that's how you get it.

Also, you can increase your life expectancy, live comfortably and be educated without increasing your carbon footprint much. It's the lifestyle that is the main issue, and most of all the lust for meat and gadgets. Yes, it's going to get hairy as the population maxes out but by the time the people of developing nations have lifestyles and resource usage on par with developed nations the world will be well over the peak.

>>8243103
>smart
>not enough to get enough money with smartness provide quality education to 5 or more children
Or how do you meassure "smartness"?
Anyway there will be a cap for people with small carboon footprint,so it's still just a temprorary solution.
And how do you think the uneducated masses will solve their problem?

>>8242719
>Faggots historically always whine about overpopulation but in reality never happens.

yeah, except in all those 3rd world countries where people are constantly starving and at war with each other

>>8243134
>But anon It's not because of overpopulation...
They are uneducated.That's the cause.

The Final Solution

The Chinese are doing it right. But you also need closed borders or else it doesn't help.

>>8243138

No, the cause is that there are too many people in a given space.

>>8242424
better quality of life

>>8242609
What argument are you trying to make here

>>8242571
Trump supporter spotted

>>8243231
do you have proof ?

Overpopulation is a self correcting problem.

As a society's quality of life and intelligence go up, birth rate goes down. Populations are already on the decline in first world countries that don't mass import immigrants.

>>8242424
>overpopulation

>>>/x/

>>8243396
>underpopulation

>>>/y/

A well placed meteorite of sufficient size would solve the problem.

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>>8242424
Give women jobs and careers so they don't have to depend on men for a living and have every motivation to avoid actually getting pregnant. Then rig it up so they can claim child support from any man if they do, whether or not they are married to them, and take half their wealth if they are, so men have every motivation to avoid getting women pregnant or marrying them. (Also, make sure your courts almost unerringly side with the women to enforce this.)

Oh... You already did that? ...And populations are declining in every nation you've done it in? Okay then, you're good.

But... You might wanna make sure the remaining nations also do the same thing right quick, or you're going to be out bred and swarmed by immigrants invited in by your newly empowered women.

>>8242719
>simply be to make everyone western-like middle class
Too bad the middle class was already destroyed, why overpopulation and religion rising.

>>8242575
>natural selection
>of humans
fgt pls

>>8242424
Fatwas on random behaviors

>>8243194
>No, the cause is that there are too many people in a given space.

But if they were middle class...

>>8242424
Overpopulation is not a problem outside of the 3rd world. Only Africa and SEA are overpopulated. Places that matter are fine.

>>8242429
found the trump supporter. why not just exterminate the gays?

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Use CRISPR-cas9 to force sterility on an unwitting public.

Then when shit gets out of the hand, and Children of Men happens, pic related be all "MM HM".

>>8244050
* select members of unwitting public

>>8243008
>educate all the women
>they focus on their careers and have children later in life
>average age of a mother becomes post 35
>future generations of humans are all autistic
>4chan because the most popular website in the world

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>>8242424
> Nuclear Holocaust
> Wait till population rises again
> Repeat

>>8244128
Then we're just shitty Krogans

>>8244128
It could actually come that way...
Humans are pretty good at surviving in different climates all over the planet. Also nuclear submarines. Probable that some humans survive and spread over the globe again.
Maybe we are the first in a dozen or hundreds of cycles of population explosion and decimation... (until humanity finally disappears)

Might the universe be that weird a place?

>>8242598
>China repealed it's one child policy last year after it realised it was heading for a demographic bomb.
The bomb has exploded it. The problem will become more severe in the decades to come. Chinese men are taking African women as mates now.

>The world is overpopulated meme
Population levels are actually leveling off. The global average kids to mothers is 2.30. Only Sub-Saharan Africa is exploding in population. Even Indians are not having kids at the rate it was normalized 50 year ago. Bangladesh is a famous example of having 6.35 births in the 1950s to 2.5 births in 2015. By 2050 it is expected the world to reach nine billion people but that's a slow growth compare to 1900 to 1950. Where in 1900 the population was one billion by 1950 it was little over 3.5 billion. War, famine and disease contribute to large baby booms because it a biological response to survival. You /pol/tards with your wet dreams of genocide of certain region will surely explode the population. This is why you faggots are not take seriously on this board or in government.

>>8244197

Actually I don't think that's the "bomb" in question. While China has a surplus in men the bigger issue is that they will not have enough people to support the elderly demographic in terms of health care even if they relaxed their child policy completely right now.

It's Japan but times ten with them.

>>8244217
That's true. The older population outnumbers the working population. This is why China is trying really hard to build a giant safety net. The sovereign wealth funds is going to come in handy in a few years. India may face this problem in the a few decades as well. They're not breeding as much as they use to and this is going to lead to a shortfall of workers. Plus India is always consider ground zero for future pandemics. So I don't think there will be at any given time a billion pajeets by the end of the 21st century. Africa on the other hand is projected to increase it population by twice it current amount. The Americas are going to level off in a few years and maintain a stable population. So the workhorse of the global economy is going to ring alarms when they cannot give us enough workers to produce cheap crap.

>>8244233
There are hundreds of millions of migrant workers or other chinese of old age who basically work until they die in their 70s or whatever

Phosphate rock depletion is going to solve the problem for us by the end of the century.

you think peak oil or fresh water scarcity is going to be a problem? just wait till we can't make fertilizers to support intensive agriculture.

>>8244258
They're all gonna be problems. Which one is coming first?

>>8244260
phosphate depletion.

>>8244271
Sure? Fresh water already is an issue in some parts of the world and can soon become a bigger problem. We will get to the end of oil maybe around 2070, but oil prices will rise dramatically much earlier i guess.

>>8244311
low IQ subhuman detected

Fuck yourself for posting that drivel

holy fuck /sci/ is goddamn full of braindeads

>>8244311
Elias Hinckley, strategic advisor and head of the energy practice with international law firm Sullivan and Worcester, but they miss the deeper motivation of the Saudis. Saudi Arabia, he says, sees the end of the Oil Age on the horizon and understands that a great deal of global fossil fuel reserves will have to stay underground to avoid catastrophic global warming. “That’s why it has opened the valves on the carbon asset bubble.”

Saudi Arabia’s decision not to cut oil production, despite crashing prices, marks the beginning of an incredibly important change. There are near-term and obvious implications for oil markets and global economies. More important is the acknowledgement, demonstrated by the action of world’s most important oil producer, of the beginning of the end of the most prosperous period in human history – the age of oil.

In 2000, Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, former oil minister of Saudi Arabia, gave an interview in which he said:

“Thirty years from now there will be a huge amount of oil – and no buyers. Oil will be left in the ground. The Stone Age came to an end, not because we had a lack of stones, and the oil age will come to an end not because we have a lack of oil.”

>>8242424
Live in a first world country. Also this >>8242634

>>8242719
>Faggots historically always whine about overpopulation but in reality never happens.

>historically

how retarded are you? there is no historical precedent for the population of the world right now.

There are more people alive today than have lived and died in all of human history around the world combined.

you must be a humanities major.

>>8244330
Explain yourself, retard. With arguments/facts not a stupid rant.

>>8242719
>Faggots historically always whine about overpopulation but in reality never happens.
Yeah, because mass human sacrifice and cannibalism never follows a poorly planned population boom caused by primitive agriculture in history, ever. (Oh, except that every time that it did.)

I will give you that, in the modern world, the problem is overblown - it's more a matter of over-concentration. Though, it's still a potential problem down the road, especially as more and more of the world modernizes, and thus even stable populations start eating more and more resources. (And, as /pol/ loves to point out, there's also the issue that some cultures and parts of the world are growing much faster than others, leading to ever wider wealth gaps, and yet more conflicts down the road, and the potential extinction of the smaller, subjectively more advanced, cultures.)

>>8244354
>There are more people alive today than have lived and died in all of human history around the world combined.

debatable. Kinda depends on what you define as the first human. But the order of magnitude is correct.

>>8242429
Uh, no.

>>8244345
oil and natural gas are still a useful hydrocarbon feedstock.

We'll never stop pumping it out of the ground.

>>8244311
fresh water availability is an engineering problem. you can solve it with infrastructure.

>>8242701
By the same space wizardry that turned Mars green in the first place. Alternatively, we'll just have to ask Kaku.

>>8244398
Since the total amount is bounded, the extraction rate will have to fall asymptotically faster than 1/x^(1+d), d>0

>>8242730
You simply have to find a way that class-improvement organisations can avoid limitations to size.

Here's the tried-and-trusted solution to stabilising the culprit countries:
Mixing education and labour.
Bringing work to a country reduces unemployment but does not help education.
Education is non-profitable therefore it can't be done easily.

However, if you educate the children of your employees (was used in Zimbabwe) or the employees themselves, you can afford to educate however many people you like since anyone being educated is or is a child of someone who is making you money.

>>8242693
He better hurry the fuck up

>>8242693
How do you know that for certain?

>>8244206
>Population levels are actually leveling off.
No, *growth rates* are levelling off,
but *LEVELS* continue to increase.
Lrn2growth-rate fgt pls

>>8242424
Invest in nuclear fusion and solar energy. Once we have virtually unlimited energy every problem will be solved.

>>8242571
Literally this

>>8243014
What does a photo of Naked Snake have to do with the discussion at hand?

>>8242429

>what is education

>>8242424

Kill the spares /thread

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>>8244831
subtle

>>8244820
>Once we have virtually unlimited
>energy every problem will be solved.
... except for the problems of limited
arable land and freshwater resources,
both of which are necessary for food
production.

>>8244880
No, with really unlimited energy most other problems can be solved. Turn seawater into freshwater, transport it wherever you want.
Turn deserts into arable land, build skyscrapers full of agriculture and farms with artificial light...

>>8242424
space cannons

we create human sized pill capsules to be shot out into space by a rail gun. we tell people they're exploring space

ez

>>8242424
Strong, armed borders and stop aid. Thus only moron countries will get overpopulated.

>>8244150
in the end we would be immune to radiation

>>8242424
Merge everyone into one single metacyberorganism

>overpopulation
Meme problem continuously spouted by Malthusians because they're anti-social. We don't have an overpopulation problem in Europe, Australia, and the Americas. If you want to reduce population go to Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and India; tell them that since we live in a world of rising life qualities, more than 4 of their 10 kids will survive to adulthood.

It's funny seeing DINK couples in the US acting "holier than thou" because they're "doing the world a favor" by not increasing the population. As long as women in Southern Africa continue to have 8 kid families, what DINKs are doing is closer to congratulatory masturbation than actually making a difference.

>>8242447
Underrated post

>>8242424
the problem is not overpopulation

the problem is advanced country/first world living standards

if you give every goy out there those standards right now climate change will kill us all this time tomorrow

the only solution is to conspire, set up an illuminati like organization to keep the poor and uneducated masses outside the oases of the first world, to keep them poor and uneducated so they dont start consuming at a rate that will blow us all up

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>>8245534
B-but it's not fair :(

Birth control and women's rights.