Premise: nothing moves faster than the speed of light Problem:

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The only thing we've observed going FTL is entanglement and there's no way to transfer information with entanglement so we just kind of shrug and assume our theories are still good since causality isn't violated

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>>8219849
So entanglement is like shining a laser pointer very far and moving it around? Like the laser pointer's dot can move faster than the speed of light, but cannot carry information ftom one point to another.

>>8219849
op isn't talking about entanglement

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>>8219849

>The only thing we've observed going FTL is entanglement and there's no way to transfer information with entanglement

Two of the states you can entangle are vector and velocity. Meaning that if you pull one particle, you also pull the other.

What supposedly prevents transport of information is that since a system has to exist in both places to introduce identical vector and velocity changes, you already communicated the information of the system via slower than light travel. In other words, you agreed to manipulate the two particles in a certain way at a certain time and that's why they're acting the same.

But, let's say you have a mouse in a cage. In the cage, it has two buttons. One button causes the entangled particle to move left, and the other causes it to move right. There is no mouse on the other end. Yet, when the one mouse pushes a button, the entangled particle obeys.

So, the mouseless end of the quantum telegraph receives information before it itself can prepare to send it. The energy to move the entangled particle comes from random thermal fluctuations.

It all hinges on negative group velocity. All particles are under 'quantum state pressure,' and transfer states as if they were perfectly ridged rods. A closed timelike loop is being created, where the signal - composed of quantum states which are also literal, physical particles - is multiplied each cycle.

This is where the electrons and protons get the excess energy to violate physical law and do chemical reactions without the required energy locally - they get it from the other side of the universe.

>>8219849
There's 3

1. Quantum entaglement
2. Anti-matter
3. Universe expansion

They all violate FTL but somehow we created ways to justify that they really don't

>>8219922
[[[[[[citation urgently needed]]]]]]

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>>8219932

In general: Leonard Susskind. This argument is based on conservation of information - eternal loss of connection to past states such as a state of quantum entanglement means losing information. Lost information, since causality is based on transfers of quantum states, would mean a loss of causual events. For example, if after loss of entanglement, your particles no longer remember that your grandfather was there to make them what they are (You,) this violates causality because there's now no reason for your particles to be what they are.

Specifically, you're probably asking for a citation that quantum entanglement can go back in time. I can supply that;

>http://www.livescience.com/19975-spooky-quantum-entanglement.html
>For the first time, scientists have entangled particles after they've been measured and may no longer even exist.

As well, this explains this observation of FTL sound;

>http://m.phys.org/news/2007-01-mach-scientists-faster.html

The most important application of this is as a shock-absorbing system. QE allows you to transfer velocity and vector instantaneously to the past, meaning you can equalize any energy difference within your body as you jump into orbit around the blackhole.

When you fall and die, what's happening is the particles in the part of your body that contact the ground change their energy states relative to other parts of your body. The two sets of particles break away from each other because they're at different energy levels.

By equalizing the energy from smashing into the event horizon, you float on the gravitational wind. Like a bird on an updraft, you flow into the astrophysical jet and are pulled along within it. These jets have been observed with FTL group velocities, and so you ride the jet to where you want to go.

This picture depicts the orbits of dwarf clusters around the supermassive blackhole at the center of our galaxy.

>>8219924
Anti matter????????????
U wot?

>>8219912
>Like the laser pointer's dot can move faster than the speed of light, but cannot carry information ftom one point to another.
I don't think a laser pointer actually works like that. We tend to think of it that way, since over the distances we're used to the dot seems to move instantaneously. But in reality, the dot doesn't arrive at its new location until there's enough time for the laser beam to propagate at C. Like, if you imagine yourself at the center of a 1-lightyear radius sphere, moving the laser pointer causes the "destination" of the dot to change faster than light, but it still takes a year for the dot to actually appear there (and 2 years for you to see it, since you only see it when the light travels back to you).

If something can move faster than speed of light, then something can move faster than light, whatever light is, why hassle about it?

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>>8219704
>Problem: we have observed the opposite

>>8220378
Just pay attention to your middle school physics classes.

>>8219922
What happens if the mouse is shielded from FTL neutrinos? Did you double check the cable going to the buttons to check if it might be loose? If the mouse is a button scientist but has never seen a button before, does it learn something new? Does it make any difference if instead of the buttons pushing the particle back and forth, it pushes a fat man into the particle? If the mouse presses the left and right buttons alternately with geometrically decreasing times between button presses, what is the last button press? What if the mouse refuses to push buttons and spends its time endlessly grooming itself? And when will this experiment be confirmed by NASA?

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>>8220056
>he cited a string theorist

>>8219704
>nothing moves faster than the speed of light
source

>>8219704
You misunderstand.

Two objects can be moving apart faster than the speed of light because space is expanding. However, both objects are not moving faster than a beam of light in their vicinity.

Because space is expanding, objects can be moving relative to each other faster than the speed of light, but objects (with matter) still cannot move faster than the speed of light as measured relative to local space, aka as compared to nearby beams of light.

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>>8219924
>They all violate FTL but somehow we created ways to justify that they really don't

>1. Quantum entaglement
We still have no idea how this works.
The underlying mechanism hasn't been identified/observed/explained, but everybody's 100% certain you can't use what we _have_ observed to send information FTL.

>2. Anti-matter
????

>3. Universe expansion
No causality involved, and nothing's actually moving, just that space itself is expanding, and we add that up cumulatively, instead of using the Lorentz transform.

You skipped quantum tunneling, which should have been your strongest card to play.

In all cases though, cause and effect can't get outside it's light cone.
Causality ALWAYS obeys c.