/sci/ horror stories

>don't be a lazy fuck
>get all 3.0+ in your major classes, and 3.7 in upper division classes
>do some undergrad research, even if its freaking cleaning your professors office
>don't be an assburger and befriend you profs and get good letters of recommendation
>get in the 90% of your subject gre
Congratulations you now got into a top 20 university. Enjoy your comfy academic career

>>7978744
What if you are not able to finish your PhD ?

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>>7978775
>Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
>Those who can't teach, teach teacher's training.

>>7978744
>Work 24/7 in school to get into good Uni
>Work 24/7 in Uni to get into a better Uni
>You finally did it, you reached your goal
>Go work 24/7 and even then you don't know if you get paid
Truly, the dream.

Keep dreaming about that cat or dog you want, children aren't even close to a dream anyway.
Where is the fun if you always have to compete, always be better.

>>7978744
This is, pretty much, how I went from an unranked university (in the sense that you're so far down the list they just put you into some range) to doing my masters on a full ride at a top 30 university. Muh natural aptitude can suck my dick, nothing beats hard work.

>>7978655
reminder that the university in OP's pic doesn't even have a physics department and thus the whole story is steaming bovine excrement

>>7978799
Not quite, Reading had a physics department... but it closed down.

>Source I had an interview at Reading the year before it closed down, so that would probably have been 2011/2012.

This story is entirely possible.

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OP here, just dropping this:

http://www.economist.com/node/17723223

Also, random pic for attention.

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>>7978875
Good link, I'd also recommend to check the physicsforums for the "So you want to be a mathematician" thread.

Horror stories galore

>>7978875
>probably smarter than you
imagine a dude putting that in their tinder LOL

also it looks like her lips got chewed up or something

The problem is you kids today are all going to uni.
Nobody wants their kids to grow up to be truck drivers, brick layers or code monkeys.
If blue collar jobs paid what they did back in the old days (prior to 1980?), half of you would go straight from HS to the job market or trade school, and academics wouldn't be a dime a dozen.
High attendance is also the reason college costs so much now.

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>>7978903
Free here regardless in Europe, can't imagine incurring a world of debt to go to college.

>Nobody wants their kids to grow up to be code monkeys

I like you anon.

>>7978655
I got a personal horror story for you.

>study pure math
>earlier this year get my first job, even though I haven't graduated yet
>Get told my salary
>Not 300k starting

I almost fucking died. What did I do wrong? I must be the first mathematician to not become a billionaire immediately.

>>7978920
I don't see the step where you got your Ph.D, get it together you pleb.

>>7978918
The way the center blonde one moans is annoying and yet it makes me cum in minutes

>>7978923
I'm an undergrad and I don't yet think I am stupid enough to get a PhD.

I am stupid enough to consider getting a MSc, though.

>>7978918
Fellow yuro here, thing is that the best universities in Europe (UK/Switzerland) are private unis and you will have to pay for them. This is usually the case with wanting to attend the best universities. Granted, if you want to become an engineer or a computer scientist and get a job, the public unis in each country are a dream come true.

>>7978903
blue collar jobs DO still pay what they did back in the late 70's and 80's, it's just that union membership is so low they've turned to jewing the shit out of their new apprentices in application fees and training which they do through community colleges and dues and fees.

truck drivers got it really fucking bad though, the only job you have a point with. EVERY company needs wheels on the ground but they don't want to pay them shit, then when nobody wants to work for them they don't want to train them because the pay is shitty and they'll take that juicy new Commercial Driver's License they just trained somebody to be qualified for, save up to buy their own rig, and go contractor and leave that piddly paying job behind.

>select all images with commercial trucks
indeed google, indeed

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>>7978925
I know, I've been downloading all of her scenes on my unis fast ethernet connection lately.

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>>7978940
>tfw uni connection blocks torrents
>tfw can't even go through a different port because they're blocked too

>>7978933
>Fellow yuro here, thing is that the best universities in Europe (UK/Switzerland) are private unis and you will have to pay for them.
No, what rankings say is that the best research institutions that also provide teaching are in the UK. The science output of germany, for instance, far outstrips that of the uk, both in quality and quantity, yet universities are free there. Why don't they show up in the rankings? Because rankings are taylored to rank anglo-style unis and the system is just structured differently in germany (with the high-calibre research being made in non-university institutions).

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>>7978942
It gets addictive...

>>7978940
go fucking back to your containment board you imbecile twat
ugh...

>>7978948
>containment board
wat

>>7978918
>>7978933

To be honest with you here in Britain you don't get into that much debt, at least it's not what I'd call debt, more of a graduate tax. I mean if you actually look the repayment conditions:
>Minimum repayment is 9% of yearly income
>Don't have to pay it back if you earn less than 17k
>Don't have to pay it back if you leave the country
>Doesn't affect your credit rating
>Won't have the Bailiffs come round.
>If you've not paid it off in 40 years it gets written off by the government.

In that sense I don't really see why someone wouldn't go to university. There's no negatives for going.

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>>7978947

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>>7978947
>40,880 files
>691 individually filed folders

>>7978958
The British debt system is far better than anything in the US. Also the reason so many foreign students want to study in the UK. The debt is also mediated by the very high salaries in the UK. Good stuff overall. But I wasn't aware of:

>>Don't have to pay it back if you leave the country

Is this really the case? I had no idea.

>>7978982
Doesn't sound right.
That's essentially a free handout from a bank.

>>7978961
kek

>>7978982
>Is this really the case?
Apparently not, it used to be the case though. That said given how bad SLC are at sending documentation (I've been waiting for a simple letter for the past 5 months) I'm wondering how effective they'd be at tracking you down.

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>>7978655
He FELL for the STEM meme.

On a serious note, don't do a PhD unless you were the top of the top of the top. There is no reason to self impose slave labour standards upon yourself.

>get biology undergrad
>held a couple awesome jobs but funding always fell through
>figured I needed to find something more stable
>went back to school to get a medical lab scientist degree
>working at a hospital making $42k a year

I have no clue where to go from here. I have put myself in a dead end.

>>7979002
learn to code and get a job

>>7978655
Anyone doing a PhD is an absolute fucking moron.

>>7978958
>>If you've not paid it off in 40 years it gets written off by the government.

what? someone is paying it. Universities are getting money arn't they?

>>7979018
How it works:
>Take out loan
>University gets loan
>Graduate repays loan
>After 30 years the government wipes off the remaining debt.

>>7979026
How it really works:
>Give loans for guaranteed 300k starting work from degrees
>Universities print useless degrees
>Loans don't get repaid
>Government prints money to repay loans

>>7979009
>Do PhD in Physics / Earth Sciences
>Life off NASA/JAXA/ESA grants
>job offers pounding my mailbox on a daily basis

worked for me

>>7979042
>I don't understand economics.

kek.

>>7979048
>he understands economics
kek

>>7978744

This is what I did but I'm quickly finding out that graduate studies in my field are a giant circlejerk. That's what I get for majoring in the humanities.

If you guys ever run into trouble finding work in academia, apply to private sector, government, or even military jobs. The military loves educated applicants.

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>>7978655
>high academic achiever
>Reading University
?!?!?!??

>>7978744
>>do some undergrad research,

>cleaning an office

what

>>7978918
names pl0x

>>7979180
I'm assuming he's in a system where that shows up as RAship. Even happens at PhD level - some of the grads who don't English well just make copies and OCR papers for senior profs

>>7978925
Name?

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>>7978655
>high school physics teacher has Ph.D
>so fucking good at this job that he got honored by MIT
>two of his students went on to be astronauts
>taught at a state school over the summer

>other physics teacher in high school had a Ph.D from some ivy school
>learned last year he got an award for physics to the tune of nearly a million dollars (I don't actually remember the amount but it was huge and a prestigious award)

I honestly have no idea what they were doing in my high school. I mean they literally could have gone anywhere else.

>>7979271
Probably got wives and kids

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>>7978903
Are you retarded? Trade jobs still pay a fuck load. My dad's a Union rep and I got my first job, to pay for school, at 19 an hour + benefits + pension + a month of sick time. That's just starting too. Once I got my boiler license I made 35 an hour with even more benefits. You know what I did all day? I sat around and watched shit on my phone and studied for exams. Of course shit happened and some days where pretty physically intense and some nights I thought I wasn't going to come home but I never got seriously hurt on the job.

The problem is that people don't like working odd hours or doing labor. Also you're told since you're five that you have to go to college and that's your only choice you want to be a mind worker not a body worker.

>>7979044
Sure thing, bud.

>>7979280
I mean even still a lot of teachers at my high school were stupidly over qualified.
>bio teacher was a physical therapist
>chem teacher had an MS and worked in the industry for years but was super unstable (like he threw a desk in the middle of class one day out of no where)
>the entire history department had Ph.Ds
>one history teacher traveled to Russia like 10 times a year and would deal world war II stuff. He had one of Stalin's swords, uniforms, and apparently had ins with the Russian Mafia (I call bullshit on this though)
>the entire math department either had an MS or worked as architects in the software industry

I mean seriously what the fuck where they doing there?

>>7978744
how hard is it to get into 90% of the GREs

>>7978925
>>7978918
>>7978940
who is that. need names pls
>>7978947
damm, i thought MY porn collection was organized. Also, Brandi Love is the best milf out there

>>7979306
Is your father really rich by any chance and wanted to give you the illusion of a regular school life by secretly orchestrating an elaborate theater of hand picked private teachers and classmates for the sole purpose of influencing you to become a scientist without letting you know?

>>7979048
>>7979063
>understanding economics


kek

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>>7978938
>blue collar jobs DO still pay what they did back in the late 70's and 80's
[citation needed]
Maybe my time frame is off, but my parents both come from families of 6 where ONE parent provided income without a college degree.
They weren't rich, but they certainly weren't poor.

>>7979291
>Trade jobs still pay a fuck load.
Nope, that's just wrong.

>>7979291
>Once I got my boiler license I made 35 an hour with even more benefits.
I make considerably more than that as a code monkey without a degree.

>>7979291
>you're told since you're five that you have to go to college and that's your only choice
This is what I was getting at.
Perception is more important than reality in shaping people's choices, but reality is still pretty grim.

>>7979316
I probably should have mentioned that these were the AP/honor teachers. Though I'm still mystified why the entire history department had that. Though my friends and I thought that a lot of them had to suck a massive dick at their jobs to end up teaching at high school. Though one of our physics teachers had been there since the 70's and he mentioned that he made 150k or something along those lines.

>>7979324
Where do you make 35 an hour as a code monkey without a degree or some type of cert? Also did you get 5 dollars an hour into your pension, paid zero for health care, and got a month off starting? I'm serious nigger tell me where I can find a job like this.

>>7979306


Teaching isn't a bad profession in the UK. Head teachers and head of years/subjects make some pretty serious money. From £50k to £120k.

The average maths teachers salary is only like £2k below an average engineers salary. An experienced maths teacher at a grammar school can make £45 - 55k

And it's really easy to get a maths teacher job. The government will even pay for most of your training.

>>7979332
I lived in NJ.

Though the benefits of being a teacher here is that after three years you can't get fired. Like it's nearly impossible.

>>7979332

For any amerifats, the conversion rate is 1.43.

>>7978655
>be cs dude
>live in a country with good job opportunities
>would sell child slaves if it was part of my contract
>can get on my knees and suck dick if necessary
That's how you get a job.

>>7979332

Which makes me think, why on earth did that guy in the OP work in a call centre when he could have went into teaching GUARANTEED. Even as a short term thing.

>>7979315
one in the middle is elsa jean have fun lad

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>>7979330
>Where do you make 35 an hour as a code monkey without a degree or some type of cert?
85k/yr as IT guy/code monkey, but I live in DC metro area so high cost of living.
My son in law still gives me shit because the average for this work here pays considerably better, but I like this job because I work from home.

>Also did you get 5 dollars an hour into your pension, paid zero for health care
No pension, but they match up to 4% of my salary in 401k contributions.
Employer covers most of my health care, but it's even cheaper where my wife works, so we do that.

>and got a month off starting?
Yes

Regardless of your cheerleading, most people see uni as the only path to a decent future, and that's really my point.

>>7979369
Oh shit that'as nice as fuck. How exactly did you get a job like that without any certs?

Though I don't think you understand how good union jobs pay though. At the absolute minimum I make nearly 70k a year. I made 91k last year. Though the average work week was something like 120 hours a week.

Maybe instead of burning money on a PhD you stop once you get a bachelor, get a job in the private sector, and function in society like a normal human instead of becoming an over-educated, unhirable sperg.

>>7979346
because you need additional qualifications to become a teacher, maybe another year of training.

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>>7979383
>How exactly did you get a job like that without any certs?
I've been here since we were a small ISP. Salary grew as the company did over the last 18 years.
But conventional wisdom says you get most raises by jumping ship and going to a new company every 3-7 years.
And again, the average for this areas is considerably higher.
Hell, even the U.S. national average is higher:
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Sr._Software_Engineer_%2F_Developer_%2F_Programmer/Salary

>>7979369

>having an asshole son in law

>sharing detailed information about your personal financials with an in law

Why don't you go to the cuck shed while you're at it?

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>>7979426
>Why don't you go to the cuck shed while you're at it?
I go there whenever I fuck your GF, Anon.

>>7979395

The government would have paid for it>>7979404

>>7978789
If you want a career with light hours or great pay, or lots of prestige or some combination of these than science is not for you. Its probably among the worst career paths for effort vs outcome, so you better love the work itself. If you don't just go into cs for easy work or medicine for money and prestige.

If you want a PhD. private sector research is the way to go. Academia is basically cuckoldry.

>>7979311
incredibly fucking difficult. the chemistry gre was the hardest test ive ever taken.

>>7979324
>Nope, that's just wrong.
go look up prevailing wage for union tradesman. you don't know shit. i made 180k$ my last year as a lineman before i went back to school. night work is double time jackass.

go work in some muslim country in asia.

bullshit your resume.

get paid well as one of their foreign experts.

Do this for a few years or until completion of a major project. put it on your resume.

go back to the civilized world and bull shit your overseas work to new employer.

end up working as a high school science teacher. cope with your depression by nail some sweet underage highschool girls.

>>7979306
it might be because in the US to teach highschool(at least in IL) you need a degree in education so that may explain the MS degrees.

>>7979534
So you spend 7+ years educating yourself to become a paedophile?

>>7979503
shit man, im taking that. how did you prepare

also, how bad are the general GREs

>inb4bynotpostingon4chan

>currently studying Physics
>Incredibly scared for the future now
t-thanks OP.
Are there any other options for physicists apart from academia? I mean, what are the best paths a BsC in physics can take that don't involve getting a PhD? Applied physics MSc?

>>7979332
Uh teaching is definitely not a good profession to pursue in the UK - unless you are teaching college / professor at a university.

I had a brief stint in a large name recruitment firm in the UK dealing exclusively with teachers - massive staff turnover, shit pay, ridiculously long hours that seep into personal time and an extremely low salary (more like 22k a year).

It's easy to get a job as a teacher because the market is so shit - schools are literally begging for more teachers and people come and go quickly unless your school is remotely prestigious or gets consistent outstanding ratings.

>>7979594
You could always just not go for PhD/MSc - it depends on your aspirations.

A good BsC in physics can take you into some well paid starter positions and is as flexible as a maths degree.

Consider what you are taking a PhD/MSc explicitly for, if the debt resulting would be worth it and the odds of a post grad qualification would help you secure your dream position

>>7978744
What if I just want a master's?
Also I don't really know how to approach my professors.
t. Engineering undergrad

>>7979383
>120 hours a week
Bro...

My high school was public but for some reason the teachers were fucking excellent.

My biology teacher had a PhD in biology and worked in research for a few years but was still only in his 40s or so. He told us that his lab partner got fired for watching porn in the lab, and that his boss was a shithead, and so he literally through his lab notes across the lab one day, said "Fuck all of you" and quit and became a high school teacher. That guy had legit anger management issues though but we'd be learning about something and he'd go "so my research was actually all about this. We did X Y and Z" and was an excellent teacher.

Another teacher had masters in several subjects and taught calculus there, but he was also excellent. He had the balls to teach his entire class as proof-based and extremely hard for high schoolers so that any college calculus after that would be a fucking joke.

But he wrote his own math textbook, then sued someone for literally millions of dollars and won. He was extremely rich and drove absurdly expensive cars to school every day and showed them off, and he owned a yacht and would invite his class on it. He gave his entire salary to charity, every single year. He taught just for fun and really, honestly cared about his students. He was in his 60s, but he was by far the best teacher (better than any professor) I've ever had.

Point of reference:

>senior in CS
>research experience in systems and security
>got first formal job offer: $110k starting (literally), stock valued at $185k, 15-45% salary bonus per year, depending on performance
>allowed to defer until after graduate school, at which point base salary goes to $140k

People said it was a meme. It's not. Literally all you have to do is put moderate effort into your classes.

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>tfw a trust fund babbie and whose parents pay for schooling
>tfw i will stay in academia for life without worrying about money while trying to advance human knowledge

Kind of sad you have to be rich to live the STEM dream, but oh well, as long as im happy fuck all of you

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>>7979700

>he pays for education in his country

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>>7979705
>he relies on the government for his education

Learn a trade, and study science in your spare time. Use your wages to fund your own research, and publish the results for free on a personal website. If you have any worth, the world will notice you - you can even get an honorary degree.

>>7979672
>through his lab notes

I take it the faculty in the English department werent,that good right

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>>7978744
>Literally have to jump through 1000 loops to hope to get into a proper job
STEM is a pure meme

>>7979719
Do not listen to this colossal retard

>>7979679
Come on now, you are straight up lying here.

Nobody starts at $110k starting with $185k in stock options.

With 5 years experience at the top of your game and with proven experience with top tier organisations? Then sure, that is feasible with strong demonstrable CS security skill.

But as a first formal job? Nope.

>>7979494
can i still do private sector research with a masters?

>>7979747

I am 100% not lying. I was as surprised as you are, but this is legitimately the offer I got today. Another company who was hoping to compete essentially just said, "oh shit," when I substantiated the specific offer in question.

If it weren't against company policy to publicly associate a name with this, I would post proof.

If it's any point of reference, I'm also an underrepresented minority in the field. I have a hunch that companies try to sweeten the pot for qualified minority hires to boost their diversity numbers.

>>7979747

Also, this is not my first formal job. I've held internships at large, reputed companies in the past and produced verifiable work.

>>7978655
You can't. At a construction site, you need one person to draw blue-prints, five people to translate those plans into something meaningful, ten or fifteen people to manage resources, and 300 guys to swing hammers.

Everyone cannot have a STEM education. Some people need to have "joke" degrees, work in technical fields that don't require degrees, and some others need to be in services and manual labor. If you wind-up "over qualified" it means there likely isn't a job for you.

>>7979769
bait post

>>7979730

I just worked 25 hours total with two other people, and we collectively made $2400. We split the money from these jobs three ways, so 2400 / 25 = $96/hr, 96 / 3 = $32/hr.

Currently, I'm sitting here, in Washington state, surrounded by nature with weed in my lap. I didn't work today, and I won't work tomorrow - next friday, me and my partners have another $600 job that'll only take a few hours.

The entire day has been mine, and I've spent hours reading papers and arguing about lipid synthesis with one of my partners from work, who also has similar interests.

>>7979771
>>7979769
Nah mate, you are lying, very poorly too

I've worked in recruitment and headhunting for some of the biggest global names and nobody gets paid this level so early in career, even people far more qualified with PhDs working at exec level for places like the SIS don't get paid that much inclusive of stock option value.

A graduate is years away from that bracket - even with a post grad qualification in a valuable degree like CS you are still in a basket where there are many like you, therefore your value is minute compared to someone who has, for example, worked at a company like Google for 2 years.

>>7979778

What would it take to convince you?

I mean, your opinion quite literally won't affect the reality in which I do, in fact, have this offer. Somebody more important than you apparently deemed my value to be higher than what you seem to believe it is, and that's really all that matters to me.

>>7979784
Well I don't quite need your proof frankly as head hunting was my previous role, I know the value of candidates - and the only way you'd ever be offered such a ridiculous sum with a ridiculous stock option would be if you had prior experience as an extremely niche role working for a massively reputable company.

But you aren't, you're in a field where the demand to supply ratio isn't huge and where people often job hop around - considering this is a first official role in these sort of places will be below the salary guideline because they are taking a risk since you are unproven without office experience - additionally for roles such as that you would not be given any form of stock options, unless this was a start up stock options are only flaunted at management to director level for good reason.

Realistically you'd be offered a $40k-$50k starting being generous with no stock options, and we are assuming here that this is within a top 250 hiring company.

But feel free to keep lying on the internet,

>>7979795

>prior experience in an extremely niche role

I've held this type of role at massively reputable companies. I've said this previously. I also attend a top-20 university in the US, having a strong record in terms of both research and academic performance.

If you need to tell yourself that I'm lying to be able to reconcile what I say with whatever form of reality you can live with, that's fine with me.

>>7979795

>I know the value of candidates
>has literally 0 information about the person he's talking to aside from the offer he claimed

so you know the value of a candidate without any info? will you teach me to psychic?

>>7979795

>i don't need your proof

Curious: if this person was willing to commit career suicide, copy-paste the offer letter, timestamp, etc as proof, would you still not believe it?

>>7978744
>don't be a lazy fuck
done

>get all 3.0+ in your major classes, and 3.7 in upper division classes
done

>do some undergrad research, even if its freaking cleaning your professors office
I'm a supreme autistic, I don't talk with professors.

>do some undergrad research, even if its freaking cleaning your professors office
Supreme autistic

>get in the 90% of your subject gre
80%

How fucked am I?
I'm coursing four year of engineering physics.

Heres one for you /sci/
>uncle got phd in maths at 23
>really gifted, invited to the us from my third world yuro shithole
>sleep apnea developed at 25
>his studies and research just staggered due to no sleep, no energy and health issues of potential death every night
>went on as just a math professor

>>7979002
Man I just graduated with biology and have been thinking of doing this. Is it really that bad? I was thinking it would make my resume look better until I find the dream job. Should I just try and get a masters or PhD now? Or resign myself to >>7979007 and be a code monkey?

>>7979839
stop being autistic

you've had this long to develop social skills, what is keeping you from doing it?

>>7979897
Do whatever makes you solid money for a few years so you have some financial backup, then do what your heart tells you to do..

And don't be retarded and get married and kids or some shit like that in that time, or you will be trapped in that shitty job forever and hate yourself for the rest of your life.

>>7978744
My 3.4 gpa is irredeemably shit even with a 4.0 last semester.

>>7980006
just do the actuary exams

enjoy being an excel monkey but at least the pay is good and they dont give a fuck about grades

>>7980016
I'm not pursuing an academic career, I was just commenting generally.

>>7979620

It's shit if you're a supply teacher. You need to be employed directly by a good school.

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>>7978998
what do you mean fell for the STEM meme? Does STEM not have the job security that everyone says it does?

>HS math teacher is a mechanical engineer
She didn't even teach calculus, just HS algebra and trig


Scary as fuck tbqh

>>7980237

Maybe she decided she didn't like mechanical engineering?

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>>7980238
I dont know, one of the secretaries in my HS was a freaking industrial engineer
REEEEEE

>>7980241
>>7980238

Perhaps they later found that their real passions were teaching? One of the Turing award winners is an ex-schoolteacher.

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>>7979520
>go look up prevailing wage for union tradesman. you don't know shit. i made 180k$ my last year as a lineman
I used to be an electrician, let's check my old local:
http://www.ibewlocal26.org/job-refferals/journeyman-wireman.html
>METRO ZONE
>No Job Calls
>SHENANDOAH ZONE
>No Job Calls
>ROANOKE ZONE
>No Job Calls
Their pdf showing Journeyman's wages are from 2012, but it's a little less than I make as a code monkey without a degree.

My wife with an MBA makes 50% more than that.

And you'd have had to work 4500 hours to make $180k at that rate.
That's almost a hundred hours a week assuming you don't work holidays and take a vacation.

And even if you're making a lot more as a lineman than a journeyman or code monkey, the point is: PEOPLE BELIEVE their kids won't make decent money without a degree,

>>7978744

Why is an academic career worth it when you do shitloads less research as a professor than post-docs or PhD students?

>>7980264
p.s.: Oops, I missed this

>>7979520
>night work is double time jackass.
To be fair though, night work didn't pay any extra (for journeymen) when I was in the IBEW.
But try telling parents of teens: "don't worry, a tiny percentage of blue collar jobs pay really well for high risk, night shift, physically demanding work they probably won't be able to do past 50,".
I'm sure you'll keep them from sending their kids to college.

>>7979369
>son in law
Why don't you just say your wife's son, you cuck?

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>>7980296
>>son in law
>Why don't you just say your wife's son, you cuck?
Because that's not what "son in law" means, dopey.

>>7978655
My highschool math teacher had a doctorate in biology.

They are just envious people that wish they got that qualification and the only way to unload that butthurt is by rejecting them

Mediocrity is the norm in this world

I don't know why you guys don't just do welding or something. I get 54k a year and my qualifications only took 2 years to get. Don't have to do arduous calculations or deal with undergrads, produce original research etc.

>>7978795
>have natural aptitude
>get into top uni first time

>>7980320
>Don't have to do arduous calculations or deal with undergrads, produce original research etc.

He says that like it's a bad think. Your work is mind numbing and repetitive. And the ceiling for advancement is small.

>>7980339
>And the ceiling for advancement is small.
You can start your own business.

>Your work is mind numbing and repetitive.
Equations are mind-numbing and repetitive. Physical labour is soothing and meditative.

>>7978655
>physics and math majors dismiss CS as "laughably trivial" and don't bother learning any of it because they think it's babby-tier shit
>BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WHY CAN'T I GET A JOB?
topkek, schadenfreude so sweet

>A study in the Journal of Higher Education Policy and Management by Bernard Casey shows that British men with a bachelor's degree earn 14% more than those who could have gone to university but chose not to. The earnings premium for a PhD is 26%. But the premium for a master's degree, which can be accomplished in as little as one year, is almost as high, at 23%. In some subjects the premium for a PhD vanishes entirely. PhDs in maths and computing, social sciences and languages earn no more than those with master's degrees. The premium for a PhD is actually smaller than for a master's degree in engineering and technology, architecture and education. Only in medicine, other sciences, and business and financial studies is it high enough to be worthwhile. Over all subjects, a PhD commands only a 3% premium over a master's degree.

>>7980348
this, you don't even need a degree to become an expert in a CS field in the real working world and have companies on your dick

PhDs are a meme fool's errand more often than not, you might as well not waste your time and learn some OpenCL coding skills.

>>7980345

So can someone with a degree. Your making a false argument based on misrepresentation. The work of an engineer is far more in depth and complicated than welding. Someone can learn all there is about welding in no time. The type of work you'll be involved with will not vary much and it will never be intellectually stimulating.

If you don't mind doing retard level work that someone who can't spell their own name can do, fine, but don't try claiming it's better.

>>7980352
The people going for Master's and PhDs typically have very different career goals in mind.

>>7980320
>I get 54k a year
MBA's make 2-3 times that much.
The whole theme of this thread is that people go to uni because it's the road to a decent living.

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I fell for the stem meme, should of just begged my buddy for a job in construction. you know you've made poor choices in life when people tell you it's good you went to university for the "experience".

>>7980362
Are we talking about engineering or STEM generally? Note that engineering is the only letter in STEM that gets you a highly exclusive licence legally required to do the job in question. This alone completely justifies doing engineering. Actually I might go do mech e after I've saved some more money. I'm mostly talking about science/math students.

>>7980415
Of course, an MBA is a great thing to have. And generally they make more than a decent living; top 1% is not atypical. Again, I'm really ragging on math/bio/physics/social science PhDs

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>>7979717
>his society doesn't see the value in investing in the future of their country

>>7980006
Please. I have a 3.27 I'm doomed to be a burger flipper i guess

>>7980612

What do these "3.27" GPA and "4.0 GPA" correspond to in terms of the British system?

>>7980620
http://www.ten-percent.co.uk/conversion-table-for-us-gpa-to-uk-class-degrees/
I'm not sure but this might help?

>>7978655
>Making 90k a year with an associates degree

Fuck S,T, and E, The M is where it's at.

>>7980339
>Your work is mind numbing and repetitive.
There is plenty of that shit in academia, I'd go as far as to say that 70% of one's work is mind numbing paper juggling.

>>7980896

That mite be so, but the papers you're juggling are related to complex and interesting ideas.

>>7980901
I don't mean papers as in journal papers. I meant paper work.

>>7978938
Within 40 years, truck drivers (humans) will be more expensive than self-driving vehicles. Encouraging youth to go into driving trucks is literally encouraging them to have their lives destroyed before age 60.

>>7978938
and the increased supply of labour has had no effect on the cost of labor?

>>7978958
>it's not what I'd call debt,
hahahahah

fucking lefties, redefining words

>>7978744
hey guys so if i do this, can i get into like Purdue and Cornell and UC Davis and shit? those are my top choices

also, im brown
the only thing im worried about is the GRE
my field isnt super competetive

pls no bully


also, how good is a publication as an undergrad? like will that make rise above everything or just slightly? one of my professors has a visiting scholar coming in and invited me for a the duration of the project to get a publication out. total bro

>>7979900
>what is keeping you from doing it?

Shyness, lack of social skills and faggotry.

>>7981891
Well why not take steps to change for the better, anon?

It will only benefit YOU

>retard autists waste years of their life in school getting scammed
>kill themselves when they discover that their parents generation has pissed away the country & they were scammed hard

why not take a gun and start shooting all the marxists who think immigration & de-industrialization is a-ok

>>7981903
Trump pls go

I'm in school still and my teacher has a PhD in neuroscience. It's such a waste of a career. And she's thirty years old. She was also one of the best in her year. I remember one kid asking 'do you get much money if you do a PhD?' and she gave him the saddest look I've seen in a long time.

>>7979383
>120 hours a week

lmao this has to be a typo

>>7978655
to all the freshman engineers out there, woe unto you who takes a job as a "cost analyst".

>>7981903

Marxists are probably against deindustrialization, it's capitalists that support it.

The truth is nationalists have more in common with communists/Marxist revolutionaries then they have in common with global capitalism but us americlaps are too stupid to see it.

>>7980276
never said the job was easy. its why i went back for my degree. i'll gladly take a 50% pay cut to poop in a real toilet and not have to freeze my ass off in a bucket truck at midnight.

but to say that trades don't pay well is dishonest. they do still pay well, and they also have the most opportunity for self employment. i can't even count on both hands the number of union buddies i had that went on to do their own one-man-van operation. most of them are still doing pretty well and the ones that aren't are victims of themselves and not the market.

>I'm sure you'll keep them from sending their kids to college

parents don't send their kids to college to get a good job, they send them to college because a higher education is the mark of the upper class, and nobody wants their kid to be a fucking prole.

>>7979306
might be the influx of diversity hires in industry and offshoring, HR has become an insane monster, also women in charge tend to either do insane things, or just chill the moral.

could even be that they wanted to work shorter hours

I assume it's in a good area?

>>7980238
To be fair you probably get paid more and work less hours as a high school teacher than an engineer.

I think that start salary for a teacher where I live, for the sciences, is 50-60k. It caps at 150k but you have to stay for a really long time to get that.

>>7983113
Yeah it was in northern NJ. I mean they were really exceptional teachers. I aced most of my intro classes at university.

>>7978942
vpnht is a godsend

He must have been spending most of his money on rent considering where he was living, and the fact that he worked at a call centre.

>>7979002

Shit anon, I'm about to go to school for medical laboratory. I have my biology undergrad and I figure I might put it to 'use' and get Masters and try for a manager position in the lab.

I don't know. I wanted to be a doc, but I found out I'm far too casual for it.

I really don't know what else to do with this degree.

>>7981915
She needs to go into industry.
Embrace sophism Anon.
t. Milton Friedman

>>7980620
4.0 is first class, 3.27 is lower second class.

>be me
>go to state uni, rated in top 150 worldwide, decent
>program a lot in my spare time, work as web developer
>graduate with bachelors degree in computer science
>be underemployed since graduation in december
feels breddy bad man

>>7980006
3.5 and high GRE is all you need for graduate school. The schools only use GPA and GRE as cutoffs to narrow down the huge applicant pool. After that, all they care about is if you have talent in your field and are capable of doing original research. They determine this through your letters of recommendation, CV and personal statement.

Harvard uses 4.0 grad school applications in the bathrooms when the toilet paper runs low.

>>7978655
>>That unemployed P.hD Statistics
Umm, with a PhD in Stats you can do a lot of hot stuff like machine learning and data science. You're just incompetent if you can't get a 100k+ job

>>7979306

A lot of my teachers had pHDs but they seemed to legitimately like teaching. I went to a private school that pays its teachers less than public school but has a lot of bright students though so I don't know if this is characteristic.

>>7979316
>influencing you to become a scientist
>by showing you that scientists end up teaching in high school

>>7978655
desu I already have a job lined up and I haven't even finished my degree in physics. You can have all the degrees you want but at the end of the day all that matters is that you're smart, good at math and good with computers. All the rest is extras.

>>7983653
u forgot social skills

>>7979306
>Be in inner London comprehensive school
>Physics teacher says he went to Oxford
>Knew Boris Johnson
>"What are you doing here?"
>"I'm a socialist, I believe in education for all"
He was a funny guy.

>>7979452
bullshit. That's what they want you to think. Of course what you're saying is true for pure academy, but if you're willing to work on some practical applications (heresy, I know) there's plenty of people willing to give you lodsa emone for that.

>>7978899
>>7978875
plus wtf is an "aspiring coder"? You either program or you don't, specially if you're good enough to "hack into things". Do women just aspire at things instead of going out and doing them? No wonder they're inferior baka

>>7983673
she started a python course on codecademy

>>7983658
Yeah but man that's not as bad as it sounds; you just have to not be a complete autist. No one in the mechanical industry is very sociable anyway. The average chunner would probably fit in.

>>7978775
Settle for an MS, go into industry, make $60K starting

>>7979404
dude you can't really compare the salary of someone with 18 years experience to someone's first job.

>>7979594
you can do pretty much anything if you learn the math, the programming and the electronics. Of course if you only study neutrinos and bosons you're not going to have an easy time finding work.

>>7980296
Son in Law implies his daughter husband.
Step-Son would imply unrelated wife's son.

In which case... god damn dude, you're old enough to have a married daughter?


Is she hot?

>>7983616
Did you go to school in Indiana?

>>7978744
Not really. Plenty of people get rejected from mediocre universities in Physics with a 4.0, 900+ PGRE, and publications, at least in Physics.

>>7979672
Sounds like a great professor

>>7978787
>Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
I have never understood where this batshit saying comes from or who thought it made any sense at all.

>>7987468
It's a safety net for Maths grads with no internships, as there's a huge undersupply of Maths teachers in Anglo counties.

Make you're own future. There is no reason to sell your labor unless you offered a better deal on it than what you could produce of your own hand

>have no interest in anything at all
>go to college for meme cs degree
>in second year
>don't know what to do


i wonder what will happen when i graduate

>>7987931
EE/CS double major, then PhD in mathematics.

>Waaaah waaaah my 3.4 gpa is shit

I got into a very good chem PhD program school with a 3.3 and good research experience. What's wrong with ya'll?

>>7987950
i don't think I'm smart enough for that

>>7987931
>Get internships.
>Apply to Palantir.

>>7987981

Get into modeling.

>>7987988
>>7987987
how do people have the motivation to do these things ?

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>>7981897

It's because he's a dumb gorilla poster.

>>7979672
>masters in several subjects
which ones?

>>7988020
Because the other option is working a wagecuck mcjob. If you're fine with that, then more power to you.

>>7983673
>Do women just aspire at things instead of going out and doing them?
you should leave your basement more often son

>>7979729
>naming academic natural selection a meme

>>7979564
you make it sound bad.
You don't like fresh?

>>7979724
>Criticizing anon's English writing skills
>faculty, noun, singular
>weren(('))t

>>7979777
a total role model for the children of amerika

>>7980241
But what do you think meme engineers do?

>>7979564
high school girls is not pedophile territory.

>>7988119
>the only choice of not having a 100k+ job is to take a 20k job

ok