Fucking hell this board has been infiltrated by reddit and i

BERNIE 2016
COMMUNIST AMERICA FTW !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-o0kD9f6wo

that's why I left /biz/ and /his/. too many welfare state advocates who don't understand capitalism.

>>7807233
I believe more in the "survival of the fittest" type capitalism.

Capitalists and anti guided economy are essentially anti science as they are unable to accept the economy can be controlled for specific goals.

Fortunately nobody believes them anymore.

>>7807106
Socialists are idealists. Can't accept reality. In reality capitalism will always work better.

>>7807276
Socialist are anti science.

They provide no incentive to accomplish anything. You will still be in the same exact position as the most useless person in the society.

>>7807106
>>>/pol/

Stay on your containment board.

>>7807320
/pol/ isn't a containment board, Reddit is. So fuck off with your commie anti-science ISISJWtarded posts.

>>7807276
The dispute isn't that the economy can be controlled for specific results, it's that there is no such thing as solutions in economics, only trade offs. For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action.

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>>7807331
>/pol/ isn't a containment board

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>>7807331
>commies
lmao, assuming everyone who has a different opinion than /pol/ is a communist

/pol/ is literally senator mccarthy tier at this point

>>7807358
...said while waving the commie bernie flag

>>7807292
Necessity it' s the best incentive to create o accomplish something. Capitalism does turn people into creative scientist

>>7807366
>>>/pol/
Just leave, you're not wanted here.

>>7807292

This person's thing can be improved to "socialism is anti-productivity". What is disincentivized in socialist societies, is a reason to strive and produce a surplus for one's self (since you're going to end up in roughly the same place as the schlub down the street, or your surplus will be redistributed to the group). So this person is partly right, but "anti-science" is a stretch.

>>7807276

This poster's second paragraph is a bit presumptuous and petulant. Muh Failed Communism meme is still potent for many westerners as an object lesson, therefore regardless of whatever more detailed examples he had in mind (massaging an economy toward certain ends, say), his second paragraph is plainly false. but I sage-digress for not-science.

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>>7807276
>>7807320
get back to r/SandersForPresident
>>7807331
yes it is

>>7807371
Cute attempt to speak on behalf of 4chan my redditarded friend. Too bad you're not even taken seriously here.
Now go cry elsewhere while dreaming communism.

>>7807377
Redditards that infected 4chan are triggered by insulting reddit and are spamming gb2pol shit in every thread. There won't be peace as long as SJWtards are corroding 4chan. They insist on shitposting literally in every board.

>>7807389
things would be a lot better with redditards and /pol/lacks contained in their respective places

>>7807405

crossboarding is inevitable. you will always see an /a/utist, a fa/tv/irgin, a pure /v/irgin, a /sp/astic and some other crossboarder on /sci/. But redditards coming to 4chan and trying to police the threads with their kindergarden mentality is just anti-4chan. Since they don't know the rules here, they can't report and move along, they find some kind of self-righteous sense to tell people what to say and what not to say, which is hilarious. As long as they're here, they will shitpost in literally everywhere, thinking they make the rules.

>>7807374
You know what's kind of strange? I understand that socialism kills incentives for success due to redistribution. But people still value status. Is chasing status not a strong enough goal for socialism to succeed?

>>7807425
I don't know. I think /a/ is worse than reddit.

Have you ever tried arguing with a weeab? Most redditors eventually realize how childish they were and end up actually being the most commited /pol/tards.

>>7807435
Things 4chan was intended to be:
>An anime imageboard
>A discussion board with strong influences from Japanese/Otaku culture

Things 4chan was NOT intended to be:
>A safe space for cuckservatives
>A stormfront enclave website for fat insufferable losers to blame their failure of a life on DA JOOS.
>your FREEZE PEACH zone
>a blog for all your stupid, inane opinions

Hope this helps, /pol/niggers. If you disagree, you're only going to show how much of a fucking faggot stormfag you are and how you are the cancer that killed this website.

>>7807435
Not really, I just see them posting animu girls here. I'm fine with it as long as they don't flood the board with animu pics and actually contribute to the topic of this thread.
And don't get me wrong, I like reddit. I hate the part of reddit that is cultivated by the SJW virus which also spread to tumblr and now 4chan. Reddit used to have politically incorrect discussions, and still has but they are heavily monitored by fat, transgendered bisexual mods. Just like tumblr used to be full of emos and cat pics and instagram filtered selfies. Now it's all about stopfatshaming propaganda, BLM, LGBT and other cancerous garbage invited by the SJWtards. 4chan is the only place where you have the complete freedom of having an opinion, but now even that is being attacked by the SJWtards with their "im offended" excuses. I'd rather not give up the freedom of 4chan to some fat social rejects who think they own shit.

>>7807106
I tend to lean towards the free-market side, but the economy is an example of a system too large, with too many differentials to control -- which is why economics can only DESCRIBE the state of the market in terms of major factors. A total free-market decays once monopolies and trusts form, and a socialist society decays after currency collapses and productivity drops.

We need a new system entirely, bros.

>>7807452
You're wrong my fat transgendered pedosexual friend. 4chan has and will have conservatives, 4chan is allowed to criticize jews, blacks and any other race of people no matter how special you think they are. 4chan IS a free speech zone and not under the dictatorship of your SJW fascism.

If you don't like people having opinions, either get a personal blog or get the fuck off from the internet. This is a message for you from everyone who is free to state their opinions online.

Deal with it.

>>7807480
I'm anon and I support this message

>>7807480
If you don't like anime, why are you on 4chan?

Keep on proving yourself as a newfag

>>7807486
>>7807480
samefag

in b4 he inspects element to "prove me wrong"

>>7807106
That video is rather idiotic considering we could get so much more work done and achieve so much more if 1) all stupid people would stop doing retarded shit for once in their shitty life and 2) we stop trying to pursue worthless shit such as capital. Money doesn't even fucking exist, what empty husk must you be to pursue it for the sake of ownership? Whether you call that socialism or whatever I don't fucking care. All those dumb terms assholes use to put shit in boxes pisses me off. Pure capitalism is retarded, just look at how fucked up the US is. Pure socialism (communism) is retarded, look at China/Russia. The best road is somewhere in between most likely, kind of what Europe is trying to become.

>>7807221
/biz/ - just ignore the social, Facebook tier threads... and it's a good board.

/his/ is shit on all levels but better than /pol/.

>>7807495
I don't like anime but don't mind it either. I don't think it should be banned because "i-im offended"

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>>7807106
Are we being raided by /pol/ or some shit?

>>7807497
Nah not a samefag and I'm too lazy to prove anything. I just agree with the post the other anon made. 4chan may have started as an anime, otaku, japanese culture image board, but it's grown and you can't keep wishing it back to its origins. The issue comes from cross-posting and not keeping content in their respective boards.

>>7807513
That's very offensive my zionist friend. You should be ashamed.

>>7807452
Imagine if you go looking through amazon for a DVD of the Green Mile.
You're not sure about the language options and you're getting it for a non-native English speaker.
They can read English perfectly well, but might struggle with the thick southern accents so you just wanna make sure it has English subs just in case.

You ask on the item page in the comments about what subtitles are available because the product page doesn't mention.

>Just buy the book
>Why don't you buy the book, it's in English?
>The book is far superior compared to the movie, just get the book instead
>Amazon is a fucking bookstore, why are you looking for movies?

/a/ posters in a nutshell.

>>7807320
>>7807371
>>7807513
>Economics = Politics
Are you people really this retarded?
>muh /pol/
You do know there's /biz/ right?

>>7807588
Its just people are so used to instantly shouting /pol/ everytime someone has even the slightest differing opinion. Its easier to just laugh at the paranoia....judging by the posts on other boards, i imagine there is only one person not from /pol/ left calling out everyone else.

>>7807377

lol you degenerate kike, no one believes the capitalist shilling anymore which only fattens the wallets of the rich. Anyone who supports capitalism is a cuck, you just happen to be too stupid to see it. Go back to support bush for president, nobody cares.

>>7807602
Just report and ignore them, the mods have started banning posts that have no content other thatn "postlink+>>>/pol/" for breaking the global shitposting rule.

>>7807710
>>>/pol/

>>7807106
I have been here for many years, I like, study, and work in the math and science field. I am and always was a socialist. I don't even know how to use reddit. How is being a sciencist or browsing /sci/ related to hate on socialism?

>>7807513
Hahahaha this

Reminder that 4chan is now just a place for republican normies to shitpost their poorly concieved jokes and opinions.
>2016
>outsourcing your opinions from a political party

Neither government nor capitalists should own the means of production, the workers should. Entirely employee-owned corporations, workers' cooperatives, and land-owning municipal corporations are the way forwards. Companies become democratic institutions, not the dictatorships they are now. CEOs and management are servants of all the employees who elect them.

Because the success of the business is tied to one's own performance, there is an incentive to do the best work possible. This is much better than the work-or-starve situation of Social Darwinism we have now.

Small business could be privately owned, but once a business gets a certain size, ownership should be fully transferred to the workers.

Land should be collectively owned by its residents at the local level, private land ownership is insane and can have no justification. Land use is rented, and the proceeds are equally split among the residents.

>>7807751
Why do teenagers talk about companies as if it still works

Nearly all major companies are publically traded and employees already recieve stock options. Everything on companies in your post prefaced by "should" is already being done and it's a fucking bureaucratic nightmare full of short sighted, idiotic decisions. The problem with people is that the majority of them are fucking stupid.

>Land should be collectively owned by its residents at the local level, private land ownership is insane and can have no justification. Land use is rented, and the proceeds are equally split among the residents.
>Land should only be ownd by the state and the farmers should only be serfs.
What could go wrong?


What we really need is a technocracy with an elite /sci/ ruling class.

>>7807751
This, though we're a long way off from its implementation.

As a temporary stopgap we ought to tax businesses in proportion to their size so that the organize themselves into smaller, more efficient, more manageable entities. That way they don't have so much influence concentrated in so few hands, which they can then abuse for their own gain.

>>7807758
still *works like the industrial revolution


Also I miss technocracy threads on /sci/ ;_;

>>7807714
Reported

>>7807758
Fuck you, authoritarian. We already have a ruling class, and changing who that ruling class is won't solve our current problems. We need a more even distribution of power amongst the public.

>>7807764
>announcing reports

>>7807767
You have your isms mixed up.

Communism is authoritarian while capitilism is libertarian. The latter allows you freedom while in the former the state literally restricts the amount of success and property you can have eventually forcing everyone to live in commieblocks.

Not saying one is better, communism has advantages in increasing nationalism for example.

>>7807502
>So basically an apple has to be half pear or something in between them!
It can't, because it's a fundamental problem in Philosophy. You are either one or the other, not both. Damn it's a basic principle in logic, yet you surely have shit posted on this board about how smart you're because you study some science related thing.

>>7807794
You've been brainwashed. Authoritative power is not tied to an ideology or economic system. Look at the right wing Juntas in Latin America for one example.

Oh wait, I'm arguing with a child.
>>>/pol/

>>7807771
>announcing that I'm announcing reports

>>7807827
Seriously? One is explicitly authoritarian by definition and one doesn't restrict your freedom by law.

It's pretty obvious which one of us has been brainwashed.

>Latin America
>Le system is fixed

60% of the worlds current millionares created their own wealth. Take your tinfoil shit back to >>>/pol/ >>>/x/.

>>7807837
Please inform me how executing people in the streets because they don't share your radical free market ideals is not authoritarian.

>>7807843
>Let's ignore succesful Western countries because I have this one random example from 3rd world war lords

Alright faggot we're really going to do this aren't we.

Let me tell about executions you fucking commie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Millions of people dead .

Intellegentsia executed and freedom of speech destroyed.


If you want to hang out with the mob you're free to fuck off to /lefty pol/, but don't bring your shit to /sci/, or at least understand that what you're supporting is the greatest anti-intellectual movement in human history.

>>7807860
No, you're proving my point. Political ideologies are two dimensional: left vs right runs on one axis while libertarian vs authoritarian runs on another orthogonal axis. Neither left nor right wing ideologies are inherently libertarian.

>>7807875
One has laws that restrict your freedom.

By your own admission your system would literally have the state ("workers") sieze property from individuals therefore restricting your freedom of ownership.

You know this and you're just spouting empty rhetoric, you don't really care about convincing anyone you just want to "argue" for the sake of arguing.

Don't ever fucking reply to me again unless you have something to contribute to the thread.

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>>7807886
You're retarded for thinking that there's only one person in this thread that disagrees with you, but that's typical of /pol/ crossboarders.

I'm merely pointing out the inherent flaws in your arguments.
>hurr durr stop disagreeing with me

>>7807886
Both leftist and rightist governments have resorted to authoritarianism. You're making unsupported assertions.
Are you against eminent domain, then? Because apparently you don't distinguish the state seizing property from it repossessing property and fairly compensating the owners.
>>7807892 is right on the money, please go back to >>>/pol/

>>7807507
I don't think so. too many Berniefags.

>>7807892
>Claims to not be from /pol/.
>Claims to know how /pol/ behaves.
Hypocrite, back to >>>/pol/.

>>7807908
>Implying you're not samefagging.
No one ever said one is black or white one or the other, if there are no other laws socialism resticts your freedom, therefore it is by definition more authoritarian.

Stop pretending to be retarded, you're not helping your case.

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>>7807926
Holy shit this is hilarious. Could you be any more asspained?
>T-they must be samefags
>T-there's no way I could be wrong

Also,
>hurr durr public ownership of the means of production restricts your freedom
Let's review the definition of socialism.

>inb4 you're a dirty socialist

>forgetting that socialism is intended to be a post-scarcity economic system
That means capitalism is intended to build itself up to a point where it can be replaced with no major repercussions for society. Instead, modern capitalism has gone the other route, choosing to destroy the source of our resources for maximum profits rather than have any foresight.
>being unsustainable on purpose
>ishygddt

>>7807912
>>7807908
This isn't a communist board retard. Stop redirecting people to /pol/ you're embarrassing yourself.

>>7807946
The google definition corroborates my assertion precisely. Samefag.

>>7807954
I like Banks' novels as much as the next guy, but "post sarcity" violates a few physical laws anyway.

>>7807860
what the hell is leftypol ?

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>>7807959
>stop disagreeing with me!!!!!111!!!111!1!

>>7807962
Local commie jewrat cave. They have regular generals on /pol/ and a board on cripplechan.

>>7807827
>Present a reasonable observation
>Not even /pol/-tier
>"You disagree with me, therefore you're a child and post on /pol/"
You can't make this shit up. Also Allende was running the country into the ground, and even communists backstabbed him in the back

>>7807965
He's waiting for your arguments, you're the one posting links because people are disagreeing with you.

Your pic couldn't be more ironic it's how we are all imagining you.

>>7807965
No matter how hard you try, America won't fall in the hands of the communists.

>>7807892
>You're retarded for thinking that there's only one person in this thread that disagrees with you, but that's typical of /pol/ crossboarders.
You're doing the exact same thing

>>7807969
>running the country into the ground
The same thing could be said about the Tsars and Chinese Monarchs :^)

That still doesn't justify the authoritarian system that replaced it.

>>7807980
I'm not justifying it, just pointing out that socialism was the biggest failure of the XX century in Chile and most of South America.

This thread alone shows how many redditard SJW cancer have infected 4chan. One thread stating that reddit have infiltrated the 4chan boards triggered them all.

There won't be any peace as long as the SJW won't fuck off.

>>7807961
I'm pretty sure post-scarcity really only refers to necessities like food, energy, and shelter.
Nowadays a lot of people would probably agree that health care and perhaps an occupation should be included as well. I'm no economic or social theorist, but I do see us as being capable of these simple things and I associate that kind of society with socialism. I don't think it's unfair to wish for that.

>>7807991
gtfo newfag

4chan outside of /pol/ only became infested with your kind of bootlickers over the last 18 months

>>7807980
I'm the guy who's been politely informing you that socialism is more authoratarian by its nature than capitalism.

I am in fact an advocate of dictatorships. Specifically Roman dictatorship with a single ruling Augustus.

Don't try to talk shit about monarchs faggot. No other system of goverment has EVER been able to match the longest era of peace and prosperity in human history.

Beat the Pax Romana faggot, then you can talk shit about monarchs.

>>7807994
go sperg your communist, jihadist, zionist or any other cancerous propaganda in >>>/trash/

>>7807992
Post scarcity requires them to be infinite. Energy isn't infinite.

You will eventually have a scenario where one citizen wants to build a mega particle accelarator around Jupiter and another wants to build a 50 million capacity football stadium.


Yeah you can split the resources evenly, but you can never have it "post scarcity", resources to meet demand will always be scarce by physical law.

>>7808000
How about instead of shitting up our board culture with your cancerous newfaggotry you lurk moar, mkay?

>>7808010
> our board culture
Reddit isn't a board and doesn't belong to 4chan.
Go back to justice4trayvon or something.

>>7808009
>energy isn't infinite
No, but the cost of harnessing energy can approach zero.
Actually, check out this interesting post on the topic:
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/

There's no particular agenda here. It's just interesting.

>>7808010
Not him, but the board culture is pro intellectual and pro elitism you retard. Socialism is cancer.

Stop pretending you're not a newfag the most popular system since the start of the board is technocracy.

>>7808020
>No,
Exactly.

>that article
I've read it.

>>7808017
>>7808021
>being so new that you don't remember a time before the /pol/ cancer.
It seems like when moot left all efforts to contain it stopped. Might as well just rename the whole website to PoliticalyIncorrect.org

>>7808030
I've been here since the very first post fuckoff.

One of the first threads was literally a technocracy thread, check the archives.

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Daily reminder that none of your shitty republics have ever been ruled as well as his glorious empire.

>>7807502
You are the one attempting to put ideologies into boxes. What is pure capitalism/socialism/communism? they're just concepts with true existence in the real world. China isn't purely communistic, for example; they have many components of a capitalistic system. I don't understand if you were trying to make a point or just type.

>>7808030
>i dont like what people say so it's /pol/ cancer
>it's against board culture!

stop with the retarded club mentality, you fucking newfag. 4chan isn't your secret club. if you don't like it, you're free to fuck off

>>7808030
> /pol/ cancer
here's how I know you're an ISISJWtard

> PoliticalyIncorrect.org
Who told you that the internet was politically correct ? This is what your tiny brain can't comprehend. This isn't a dicksucking hugbox to suck up on anyone. We aren't tv presenters that are paid to appear politically correct. This is the real world. People have opinions which are not limited to any fascist rules.

If you don't like people having opinions, either get a personal blog or get the fuck off from the internet. This is a message for you from everyone who is free to state their opinions online.

Deal with it.

>>7807700
>"degenerate kike"
>supports socialism
Or are you an edgy third positioner?

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>>7807700
I wonder who's behind this post.

>>7808400
As if your special snowflake ideology is any better. Good goy, Shlomo appreciates your efforts.

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>/pol/ accuses everything of being cultural Marxism
>/lit/ is full of actual Marxists

This is why /his/ was a brilliant idea, it's basically a battleground between the two boards.

>>7808627
>>>/pol/

>>7807292
thats literally not socialism you retard. go read some marx before commenting about this

>>7807338

>The dispute isn't that the economy can be controlled for specific results, it's that there is no such thing as solutions in economics, only trade offs. For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action.

Trade offs between what and what? All you have to do is CHOOSE a criteria for deciding between trade offs.

>>7808627

bunch of Marltural cuxist /pol/esmokers

>>7808060
>This is the real world.
>he says as he spews cheeto dust on his keyboard and revs up his "redpill" infograph folder

>>7808875
>everyone who disagrees with me is [bad stereotype]
like we haven't heard that one before from you authoritarian SJWs, just fuck off

>>7808880
>we
confirmed for /pol/ lmao

Anyone who considers science important doesnt support capitalism, one only needs to see how poorly phd holders get payed to see this. It's absolute nonsense to argue muh capitalism supports innovation and gives the capable more money when the vast majority of people in science barely make enough to live. I know a handfull of PhD holders working in completely unrelated areas as they make way more.

Why are capitalists so delusional?

>>7809036
You do realize that both the highest salaries and richest people and companies are all STEM right?

There are winners and losers in STEM just like anywhere else.

It's kind of annoying when you have PhDs who are fucking incompetent (no shortage of those), but think they should also get 120k+ starting just because they have a similar degree to actual competent people who did.

>>7809036
Also take it from someone who's lived in both socialist and real countries.

If you tell people you're a scientists/engineer in the US that translates to respectability, prestige and money. People have an idea about how hard you worked to get where you are and you are rewarded accordingly.

If you tell people the same thing in socialist countries, you'll get "that's cute, I'm a art student/plumber/truck driver/pre-school teacher :)" and they'll think they're literally on the exact same level as you, because in reality they are since socialist countries effectively place virtually the same monetary value on all professions. It's fucking disgouraging that you work your ass off and some retard chad and stacey who spent their entire life partying earn the same as you do.

Fuck that, there's a reason everyone on /sci/, myself included, is leaving for the US.

>>7807276
Feudalism #1 for science. Think of the greatest minds in the fields of science. Most came from a feudalistic society.

Islamic Golden Age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Now look at them.

Byzantine science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_science

Now look at them.

Also, the Scientific Revolution happened in a feudalistic society.

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