Science of Human Race

>>7745992
>will people stop being racist when they realize skin color doesn't matter

Containment board now please and thank you.

>>7746005
Can you not read cuck?

>inb4 >>>/pol/

This is a valid question for this board. I want to hear /sci/'s opinions not /pol/'s.

>>7745992
Our opinion?

Race is not used in biology anymore, not even for other species than humans. The concept has no scientifc meaning anymore.

If you want to discuss race, give us a rigorous definiton of it to do so

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>>7745992
>modern scientific

Postmodernism isn't science.

>>7746015
>Postmodernism isn't science.
explain in more detail please.

>>7746012

>look at an African-American. Now look at an East Asian.

It's something that we can observe. There might not be a genetic way to distinguish 2 or more races, but humans can certainly distinguish by simply looking at people.

>>7746010
>don't tell me to go back to pol
>lol ur such a cuck

If you want to hear the two sides of the argument I'll give it a shot. Pol would argue that Europeans are clearly superior because of their strong aryan genes and that no person with brown skin ever did anything important. Most people on sci would likely be able to tell you from reading books that geography (and the urge to spread Christianity) is what led the Europeans to dominate the world for a long time. Read a book on world history and you will realize that pretty much every place in the world had large impressive cities at one point.

>>7746010
>Can you not read cuck?
is that an actual language now

>>7746021
>If you want to hear the two sides of the argument I'll give it a shot. Pol would argue that Europeans are clearly superior because of their strong aryan genes and that no person with brown skin ever did anything important. Most people on sci would likely be able to tell you from reading books that geography (and the urge to spread Christianity) is what led the Europeans to dominate the world for a long time. Read a book on world history and you will realize that pretty much every place in the world had large impressive cities at one point.

Way to sidetrack the conversation. I'm not asking who is superior racially. If you re-read the original post you'll notice that I am asking whether the modern consensus that race doesn't exist is a valid one, or if it is an opinion that only exists to combat racism.

>>7746021
>Read a book on world history and you will realize that pretty much every place in the world had large impressive cities at one point.
But none accomplished what European peoples did in the span of a couple of hundred years.

>geography
Please stop reading Jared Diamond. Europe had far less resources, space, and opportunities for greatness than sub-Saharan Africa, the Americas, and south Asia. In fact, that is likely exactly what caused European greatness as the lethargy, apathy, and soft-living available in the aforementioned regions was strongly selected against in prehistoric Europe.

>>7746020
>>7746033
What I was trying to say is that there are no scientific consensusses on race

And different phenotypes don't mean different races, per sé. I'm European and I can pick a Spaniard from a Frenchman with ease, but everyone would call both members of the white race. So you observe races, but I don't observe the same ones. No scientific discussion is therefore possible.

>>7745992
My opinion is that your kind makes this thread at least 5 times a day every day so check the archive and go back to >>>/pol/

>>7746046
>being afraid to discuss race objectively because muh feels

>not respecting the >inb4 >>>/pol/

fuck off m8.

>>7746032
Words like that totally lost their meaning in the cesspool of shit that is pol.
>>7746033
We are all like 99% the same with the only difference being slight variations with eye color, hair, earwax and shit like that. Everyone at one point had a mighty empire. Whether or not modern science's opinion on race is combatting racism doesn't matter because race doesn't matter.

>>7746020
>It's something that we can observe
it's observable when it's obvious. ever seen a mixed person or racially ambiguous person?

>There might not be a genetic way to distinguish 2 or more races
exactly, because it's not a scientific concept

>but humans can certainly distinguish by simply looking at people
the distinction is arbitrary and the observation is a guess
race isn't real. if it is, prove it.

>>7746052
>race doesn't matter.

Why does it affect everyone then? If race doesn't matter why does the Black Lives Matter movement exist? Why does affirmative action exist?

>>7746053
>ever see a mixed person or racially ambiguous person?
Yes. In most cases you can at least tell part of that person's race. You can infer other things from the history of the person's country of origin or social status. (i.e. an asian-looking frenchman from the colonization of Vietnam, to give one example)
>race isn't real. if it is, prove it.
>we can observe it
>therefore it's real.
there you go.

>>7746054
Because race doesn't matter scientifically, but it does socially. It gives shitty white people a reason to feel good about themselves and shitty black people a way to not face the reality that their culture is pretty shit.

That's all.

>>7746059
>It gives shitty white people a reason to feel good about themselves and shitty black people a way to not face the reality that their culture is pretty shit.

So everybody is shitty in your examples and uses race for egotistical purposes and to "feel good about themselves"? Nice bias m8.

>>7746059
this

>>7746058
you admitted in your post that the observations are essentially guesses
define race

>>7746069
each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.

>from googling it.
Use google bro.

>>7746054
>be a an African sold as part of the slave trade and end up in the colonies.
>my bloodline is enslaved for a long time.
>finally free only to be discriminated against by literally everyone.
>they finally pass laws banning all racist laws.
>still can't get hired because of social racism and a reluctancy to hire dark people.
>get stuck in cyclic poverty.
>finally they pass a law helping people who got buttfucked for hundreds of years escape cyclic poverty.
>people complain that I get handed everything on a silver plater.

Affirmative action isn't a permanent thing, but there's a reason it exists. I have no comment on the black lives matter movement.

OP the one thing we can be sure of is that there are differences between races, but those differences don't really matter. History has shown that adopting racist strategies is usually a pretty dubious proposition that tends to end in failure. There's very little benefit to being racist.

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>>7746077
Was I complaining about either of those things, cuck? I simply used them as examples. Learn to read.

>>7746065
What else would you use it for if you're not obsessed with earwax?

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>>7746081
>History has shown that adopting racist strategies is usually a pretty dubious proposition that tends to end in failure. There's very little benefit to being racist
explain.

>>7746075
ok, define each race
and when you define each race give the physical characteristics of each race
and you still didn't really respond to the whole "mixed/ambiguous" point
if someone's race isn't "observable" it's not real
again, you're making guesses

You know what?

Yes, your race is superior
Yes, we absolutely should gas those kikes
Yes, we definitely need to enslave all those niggers

It's SCIENCE

There, are you happy now? I'ventold you what you obviously want to hear

>>7746096
>>>/pol/

>>7746088
>Everyone in this picture achieved great things because of a racist strategy they used
>>7746083
>My example states that blacks are viewed differently because of affirmative action. You just explained why they are viewed differently and it has nothing to do with the fact that they are that color but more so to do with that they were historically fucked because of it. Can you even read?

I will commend you on the bread pun though, I chuckled.

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>>7746101
>Everyone in this picture achieved great things because of a racist strategy they used
You can't be serious.

>My example states that blacks are viewed differently because of affirmative action. You just explained why they are viewed differently and it has nothing to do with the fact that they are that color but more so to do with that they were historically fucked because of it. Can you even read?
Why are you trying to argue about the details? Do you think I give a shit about affirmative action? I don't, cuck.

>>7746096
Thanks m8. finally someone gets it. We need more people like you.

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>>7746096

All these posts in and you realize OP is a troll who probably doesn't even use pol. Good job op I got baited hard.

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>>7746115
I never claimed that m8. I'm neither a troll, or a cuck. I browse /pol/ like any white European descendant should. I'm trying to make this thread civil and educated, but you cucks keep trying to turn it into shit.

>>7745992
anything on >>7746091 ?

Race is tricky, because it has to do with appearance more than anything else. The brain recognizes people with similar facial structures to them quicker than others. Also (little known fact) there were two other species that were around when homo sapiens was around (can't remember the names right now, will provide sauce) that may have led to distinctions forming. I wouldn't call it an exact science, but it's more than a social construct. The real question is, so what?

>>7746251
It was the inbreeding between neanderthals and denisovans that coexisted with pre-modern humans.

>>7745992
There is biological basis for race, just not for most of the claims of racial superiority that people make.
Different races are like different breeds of dog. Some might be more physically capable in certain aspects, but as far as intellectual stuff matter. There is nothing scientific (that is accepted) to suggest any superiority there, and the physical ones are always negligible. You get more variation within a small population in small town in that regard.

>>7745992
Racism wont end. Its a natural part of human socialization. And with everything theres levels. From those who just dont want to associate to those who want to destroy. But if you examined human evolutionary history youll see there are changes between species that gave them advantages over the other.

I dont think these genetic variables dissappear considering the clear physical advantages some races have over others when it comes to just pure survival in a given environment.

I think its ignorant to think that specific groups of humanoid cant be superior to others.

>>7746306
Id like to comment on the intellectual comment you made. I remember something in anthropology class where they found that there was a genetic mutation in our genes that didn't exist in gorillas or chimpanzees. And this genetic mutation made our ancestors jaw muscle week and thus lengthened the time it took our skulls too close and gave our brains more time in the infancy stage to develop. You see this intellectual dimorphism between gorillas and chimps when you examine the strength of their jaw and the time its brain develops through infancy vs the chimpanzee. So maybe in theory those who have genes that are more primitive, you know that Homer Simpson shaped monkey mouth, have stronger jaws and that little bit extra strength causes their skulls the close up a little bit sooner and thus their brain develops a little bit less. Then you could argue people with those genes don't have the intellectual potential somebody who had the different gene because their skulls close up too fast and they don't have the brain growth to support higher learning.

>>7745992
>Can it end racism?

Rational human beings never had racism. Read Marcus Aurelius.

I hope you become smarter in your life, that you don't need to make unrelated threads on boards you don't belong in. I also hope you get banned for a long time, since you probably have no relevant STEM education anyway.

Have a nice day!

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>>7746353
>banned
Nope still here, cuck

>boards you don't belong in

Who are you to decide, you autistic cuck?

>No relevant STEM education.

>implying

Electrical Engineering with a minor in Mathematics. Top kek. Keep trying cuck.

>>7746366
Don't lie please. If you can't understand why racism is nonsense, then you arent't smart enough to enrol in a EE on a good uni.

Also, the sticky clearly says threads have to pertain to science and math, this thread doesn't. You would easily get banned if there were MODS, but even the homework threads don't get closed.

>>7746392
Please explain to me how the original post doesn't pertain to biology, anthropology, sociology or even psychology? (all fields of science)

Seriously kid, go back to high school. Keep believing that I'm not in EE you stupid blue-pilled beta cuck.

>>7746392
This thread seems pretty scientific to me, with the exception of the tards like you that seem to come across with some type of butthurt

>>7745992
Well race is clearly a physical thing and there will be differences between races, the problem is none of these differences are that interesting. Unless you think that then genes regulating melanin production are particularly fascinating.

>>7746395
I don't care if you're in EE at some shitty uni.

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>>7745992

Whether or not it "ends racism" is irrelevant. Genetically and biologically speaking, "race" is a useless concept. That's basic human genome shit.

"Racism" does exist. That's neuro & psych shit. It's getting easier to quantify it the more we learn about how the brain works. I personally think racism is (at the very least) developmentally unavoidable given current sociocultural norms - babies, for example, are demonstrably racist - but I have doubts as to whether or not it's innate. It'd be unethical to test it with proper rigor - you'd have to separate infants from their birth mothers and reassign them randomly, among other things, so it's not really something anyone can say anything conclusive about, vis-a-vis etiology.

What we do know is that it's an observable cognitive bias broadly present in most, if not all, human beings. Because it's a known bias, like many other known biases in perception, if you're serious about science you should at least be aware of the fact that your perceptions are weighted against objectivity by your nature. The moon and sun appear to be bigger at the horizon because of our optical wiring, not because of any light/atmosphere interactions; you're going to perceive other people through a racist lens, regardless of their actual DNA; et cetera et cetera ad nauseum.

To expand: I don't believe that it's possible for human beings to ever be "truly" objective - subjectivity is our cross to bear as biological machines, and validating subjectivity lies outside the boundaries of science altogether, since it's not empirically possible, in fact it's more of a philosophical problem - but I do believe that biases can be identified and corrected against.

>Normally I'd just tell you to fuck off back to /pol/, but insomnia is winning this round.

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OP, why dont' you become an objective scientist and catalogue and research all these different races and then publish your works ? They used to do that in the 20/30's and also in the 50's and 60's in the Soviet Union. Doesn't matter if it stirs controversy, since it's objective and factual. Just look up the difference between racialism and racism.

>Are there any cultural benefits to humanity in accepting this belief?

no


>Are there any scientific benefits in accepting race exists.

yes

Races don't exist because they are arbitrary. We mainly delineate along the lines of skin color or eye shape for races. However, those are just a few genetic traits among many, most of which are invisible.
You could equally easily construct a race of shorter people vs taller people, than ignores skin color. In that case, for example Dutch people would be separate from Italians.
Or something like hairyness. The possibilities for entirely arbitrary races are endless.
Of course, the different phenotypes do indicate different human populations. But they form a gradient. There are NOT four (or more) lineages of mankind that split sometime in the past and formed Whites, Browns, Blacks, and East Asians.

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>>7746088
>German genius
>Einstein was Jewish
As far as I am aware, Jews are considered another ethnic group - thus, not ethnic Germans. Either this picture is commending national identification, or ethnic identification - but it cannot be both.

>>7746088
>Nietzsche

>>7746758

Actually race plays a huge factor in personalized medicine.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/pharmacogenetics-personalized-medicine-and-race-744

>>7746779
Literally everything you said is false and is not in line with contemporary research into racial genetics and their implications in medicine, psychology, and society.

Race is a synonym for subspecies. Subspecies are clusterings of populations within a species that are in the process of speciating. They are unique genetic clusterings that can be easily identified through DNA profiling and often via simple phenotypic observance.

In humans, racial differences can very easily be identified. Any forensic scientist worth his or her salt can readily identify the race of a long deceased individual by merely studying skull shape and bone structure. Any geneticist worth his or her salt can readily assume the race of an individual that a cell belongs to by profiling the cell's DNA. Any doctor worth his or her salt will be able to determine the likelihood of an individual being diagnosed with a particular disease, such as cystic fibrosis or sickle-cell anaemia, based on the individual's race. Any non-retarded or non-biased layperson can generally identify someone's race based on their physical appearance, temperament, vocal sounds, and intellectual ability.

Long story short, educate yourself because you are wrong on almost every point and your post read like one of those pseudoscientific blogs you see on Facebook.

Race is objectively real. This is not open to argument anymore than saying that dog breeds aren't real (humans races differ far more than dog breeds) or that DNA is not the molecule of inheritance. What is open to argument is the importance of race in an individual and society.

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>>7746010
>>7746051
>I said inb4 /pol/, therefore no one can tell me to go to /pol/ now
fuck off obnoxious faggot
>>>/pol/

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you know your're /pol/ when the only insult you know is cuck

>>7746970
This.The reason that people are afraid to discuss race objectively is because of the stigma placed on it since the end of World War II.

>>7747002
Using green text and autism jpgs... You seem like the only obnoxious faggot here...

>>7747154
people don't want to talk about race here becuase it will, without exception attract /pol/ and their predetermined ideas of race, and this would literally kill /sci/ since stormfags will derail pretty much every discussion into "blacks are inferior" or "jews lie and want to breed us out".
if people from /pol/ would be capable of intelligent discussion then /pol/ would be a board for politics

>>7747649
/thread