Why are so many people asking why people are skeptical about

>>7716405
>3% of the people in that shit tier meme field has some integrity.
There is hope for humanity yet.

>>7716407
niceme.me

>>7716407
This.
That field isn't even a field. Also confirmation bias.

So the Earth is getting warmed by the sun, and the sun is fusion powered. If we could perfect cold fusion, and create and ice sun and collide it with our sun. I think that would cool the Earth down. What do you think would happen?

>>7716414
I'm calculating a 0.999... probability that this has a 50% chance of working; it will either work or it will not.

>97% of people are delusional

>>7716405
We've only ever observed micro climate change; macro climate change is still an unproven hypothesis.

John Stossel's exposition on climate change showed how hostile the international committee is to those who are skeptical about man being the primary cause of climate change. They keep touting that the science is clear and that there is no debate to be had. If you show any sort out skepticism you are immediately brandished as "unscientific" and "delusional."

I personally think that the issue of whether climate change is happening is manmade is irrelevant. Eliminating CO2 emissions is a pipe dream with no chance of happening in the next 50 years. If climate change is in fact real, I still don't think the consequences of it are as severe as people claim they are.

>>7716405
Because the 97% thing is a bad statistic that does not follow the scientific method as only 79 scientist responded to the question out of 3,146 asked

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

>100% of climate scientists would be out of a job if climate change wasn't real

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in today's Reuters:
>Melting glaciers blamed for subtle slowing of Earth's rotation
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-rotation-idUSKBN0TU2F720151212

>>7716738
>today in a another unrelated article
>melting glaciers is blamed for Earth's slower rotation

>>7716405
Once you look into the organization that produced that 97% meme and how they came up with that number, then you'll see why people don't take the pseudoscience seriously.

>>7716405
97% of U.S./European scientists are on the government payroll.
97% of Russian scientists say AGW is bogus.

>nb4 Russia is full of evil liars and U.S. is full of perfect truth tellers.
Everyone wants to keep their job. tinyurl Dot com SLASH ztllcu2

>>7716405

You know that 97% survey was rigged and cherry picked as fuck. Why should we believe in it if you have to resort to lying to us before we even start talking about it.

>>7716748
>unrelated
>blaming unrelated things on global warming and calling it "science"

>>7716731
>any climate scientist who could prove climate change was fake would become famous and probably rich from selling books and giving tv appearances

If you have the time, just get your hands on IPCC reports. As far as i know, they are pretty accurate and never claim that the "climate change is caused by man-made pollution".
Kinda funny to see that the media and politics, even representatives that meant to summon up the reports, are just interpreting unscientific bullshit everywhere.

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blimey, time for another /pol/ thread already?

>>7716599
>If you show any sort out skepticism you are immediately brandished as "unscientific" and "delusional."
delusional people present unscientific arguments attacking the evidence supporting AGW
somehow denialism becomes associated with being delusional and unscientific. there are a very few actual skeptics out there, people like Dr. Judith Curry. but most people dissenting from the mainstream view are deniers plain and simple, people who don't understand what they're talking about but are damned sure that those snooty scientists are lying.

>>7716814
>97% of U.S./European scientists are on the government payroll.
>97% of Russian scientists say AGW is bogus.
[citation needed]
also, I really wouldn't expect Russian science to be remotely objective about stuff that affects the oil industry, given the level of corruption there and the degree to which they rely on petroleum for their economy desu.

>>7716829
this
the guy who did it would get the science equivalent of All The Pussy

>>7716738

But the Earth's rotation has been slowing since, well, since it fucking started. Planets do that shit. It's called "Tidal Locking".

Jesus fuck. Nobody with a brain denies that climate change is real or that it is caused largely by human activities. But this alarmist bullshit pandering to the masses is what makes people question it.

>>7716405
The coverage figure is wrong, and the 97% figure had objectively poor methodology.A good portion of climate scientists would likely be neutral on the matter.

>>7716835
>As far as i know, they are pretty accurate and never claim that the "climate change is caused by man-made pollution".
That's probably because you didn't read them.

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-7.html

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>>7716842
>[citation needed]
>also, I really wouldn't expect Russian science to be remotely objective about stuff that affects the oil industry, given the level of corruption there and the degree to which they rely on petroleum for their economy desu.

You think American/European government paid scientists are objective? Given the lefty results of "fighting climate change," (Massive wealth redistribution, more government, more carbon taxes. All goals of many politicians and most bureaucrats.) Seriously, there's no good reason to say that American/European scientists are more unbiased than Russian scientists. They all need their jobs.

>climate scientist
A meme "science" filled with women.

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>>7716884
Yup, this is how I know evolution is false, because biologists wouldn't have a job without evolution. And vaccines are toxic, because doctors wouldn't have jobs if they didn't have shots to give us. A-and gravity is a lie because physicists just make shit up for money. If you have faith in any of these things you are a gullible cultist!

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>>7716888
Christ you're ignorant. There's no significant money or politics to be advanced by evolution or vaccines. The UN IPCC is all about the money and the U.S. politicians give them tremendous support.

Go read up on Lysenkoism. AGW is America's equivalent. www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/28/the-disgraceful-episode-of-lysenkoism-brings-us-global-warming-theory/

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick,said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”

>>7716884
do you think the moon landings were faked

what about 9/11

>>7716908
> pathetic resort to ad hominem
Do you think that an unfalsifiable belief system is gospel truth?

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>>7716905
>there's no significant money in vaccines
>no significant money in medicine-making

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>>7716908
>Look at my gospel truth!
Muse be hard to believe in an unfalsifiable pseudo-science.

>>7716930
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>>7716905
Wow look at this retard who believes the Marxist communist Nazi lie of evolution and vaccines. What an idiot! He actually believes there is no money in these fields when billions of dollars are distributed as grants for biological research supporting evolution and even more in the vaccine industry. What an idiot!

>>7716888
>this is how I know evolution is false, because biologists wouldn't have a job without evolution.
Yes they would. Of course they would. Biology is the study of living things. They'd still be just as interesting and important to study if God created them.

>And vaccines are toxic, because doctors wouldn't have jobs if they didn't have shots to give us.
Doctors make basically nothing off of vaccines.

>A-and gravity is a lie because physicists just make shit up for money.
Just gave up trying, did you?

The vast majority of climatologists would not have their jobs if not for global warming alarmism. This would be a minor field most people would never hear of, if it wasn't organized around doom and gloom predictions and declarations that we must all sacrifice and give more power to the government.

>>7716917
> pathetic resort to ad hominem
Yup that pretty much describes the whole "climatologists are just paid government shills" argument. If you want to debate the actual science then we're waiting.

>>7716963
>Yes they would. Of course they would. Biology is the study of living things. They'd still be just as interesting and important to study if God created them.
That's like saying climatologists would still have a job if they didn't have AGW to explain the climate. Obviously it's bullshit. Scientists don't get paid to study things, they get paid to make the conclusions their employers want. This is how the world works.

>Doctors make basically nothing off of vaccines.
Are you retarded? Of course they do. Anyway, I'm not just talking about vaccines, I'm talking about all medicine and medical treatment. It's all just made up so doctors, pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies can make money. Anyone who makes money by saying something is lying!

>The vast majority of climatologists would not have their jobs if not for global warming alarmism. This would be a minor field most people would never hear of, if it wasn't organized around doom and gloom predictions and declarations that we must all sacrifice and give more power to the government.
Exactly, I completely agree. No one cares about the climate unless it's warming. Now you just have to open up your eyes to all the other frauds.

>>7716405
people say "there's no evidence to support climate change" and then when we give them evidence they say we're lying. I wish we we're lying. But we can do tests using inferential statistics to find out whether or not we are lying, and in my own tests I concluded that I was 98.73% certain there was a linear relationship between the accumulation of CO2 and the pattern of global and regional temperature growth over the last century. the last 800 centuries actually.

>>7716405
>Reality/Denial
The one who made this pic believes he can know something he can't. He is as retarded as one who blindly believes in religion.

>>7716994
>Scientists don't get paid to study things, they get paid to make the conclusions their employers want
Not at Universities. Only at companies like Monsanto.

>>7716405

People are skeptical because it is never presented to the public in a scientific way. It is presented to the public as "HOLY SHIT THE ICE CAPS ARE GOING TO MELT AND FLOOD ALL THE POPULATION CENTERS AND THE OCEAN CURRENTS ARE GOING TO STOP AND ALL THE NUTRIENTS ARE GOING TO STOP FLOWING AND ALL THE FISH ARE GOING TO DIE AND HUMANITY IS DOOMED IN 5 YEARS oh wait maybe 10 years oh wait maybe 20 oh wait maybe 30 oh wait maybe 50 actually we have no idea what is going to happen beyond "shit is going to get warmer" but still accept these higher taxes ;^)"

there's almost no chance burning everything that ever existed on a global scale has no impact on the earth and the climate. But thinking reducing CO2 output will help in such a massively non-linear system is stupid. Reducing CO2 so much it would matter would definitely be mankind's greatest task ever (developing africa, china and the rest of the world is a joke compared to that) .

BUT i think it's the right way to go. I very much like to enjoy my free energy in 20 years and see Saudi Arabia burning to desert dust again because nobody's buying their oil.

-German Wind/solar energy masterrace

>>7716405
Just because many people believing in it doesnt make it true even you are scientist

>>7717595
forgot fusion masterrace kek ... maybe that shit will work someday (german major projects have a history of failing though)

Earlier 99% or more scientists claimed Earth is flat and Sun revolves around it, but that doesn't mean it was true and that sceptics were wrong, although they were not only laughed at but burned at the stakes.

>>7717666
>Earlier 99% or more scientists claimed Earth is flat and Sun revolves around it

No they didn't. The Earth was known to be round since the ancient world.

>although they were not only laughed at but burned at the stakes.

Also false.

But historical inaccuracies aside, the comparison still fails. This isn't a matter of some freethinking scientists discovering evidence that contradicts dogma - the "deniers" have LESS knowledge, not more.

>>7716842
>15 year old survey
>75 out of 3200 queried scientists responded
>yes/no/maybe/I dont know numbers were manipulated,
>maybe's and 'I dont know but its possible' counted as yes

>Meanwhile every climate model since 1990 has repeatedly fallen on it's face

I'm sick of you people, I really am.

Why should I believe the people who are only employed because of climate disaster. Don't you think there's a big reason for them to say it is happening.

>>7716842
>the guy who did it would get the science equivalent of All The Pussy
Implying it can be "proved fake". In the words of Pauli, its so not right that it's not eve wrong.

>>7716434
If it doesnt work first time, do it again because 50%+50%=100% succes chance

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How can we convince people that these little coral islands in the Pacific won't last forever and the natives *will* have to leave some day?

I find it perplexing that people are trying to keep the world "as is" seemingly until the end of time.

>>7716599
>If you show any sort out skepticism you are immediately brandished as "unscientific" and "delusional."

The reason for this is because climate change deniers are notorious concern trolls who try to frame their stubbornness as skepticism.

There's only so many times you can cry wolf before you get told to fuck off instantly.

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>"It'll take thousands of years to terraform Mars with giant atmosphere factories sending gas into the air non-stop."

>"In less than 2 centuries we've ruined the Earth because of cars, factories and cows farting"

Yeah, nah, I don't buy it.

>>7718521

Please tell me you're joking.

>>7718525
Please elaborate

bro

what if climate change is just another politically correct term that actually means enforcing industrial regulations against china and india?

what if it doesn't matter that much if the world gets warmer?

food for thought bro

If you honestly believe climate scientists wouldn't have a job without the theory of global climate change, you are a fucking moron and should put a bullet in your brain.

>>7718533
>what if it doesn't matter that much if the world gets warmer?

What if there's a increase in fertile land/fishing?

But no, climate change= a bad thing, let's not think critically or anything

>>7718538
bro good point climate change must definitely be bad if everyone says it is!

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>Post your face when we "fix" climate change and Yellowstone erupts, drowning all the hippies in ash

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>>7718557
>mfw yellowstone erupts

>>7718531

Mars has litte to no atmosphere, we'd basically have to create one from scratch.

Modifying an existing atmosphere is a lot eas>>7718533
ier.

>>7716969
Bring it on.

The theory is unfalsifiable.

Prove me wrong by providing a plausible falsifiability criterion. It must be testable, and clearly differentiate from normal weather/climate. And because AGW is about anthropogenic CO2, the falsifiability criterion must involve a causal connection to anthropogenic CO2.

>nb4 fake falsifiability. CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. No one said it wasn't. The earth isn't getting warmer. No one said it wasn't. Etc. Don't waste my time. We have to wait 100 years (simpleton scienz crap).

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Why do people listen to scientists in nearly every other aspect of our lives, but for some reason there's such heated debate about global warming? Is denying that climate change is real an actual real life meme?

>>7718980
yeah people need some magic other to fight (jews, polacks, scientists)

it seems to justify their existence or somethin.

>>7718980
/sci/ users fall into two general categories:

1. Paranoid schizophrenics who reject anything that respectable people say (Earth being round, moon landing happening) because they're desperate to feel superior to others by being in on some major secret.

2. /pol/ right-wingers who think that any facts that support left-wing political positions must be part of a massive conspiracy to destroy the white race.

>>7718980
Climate change is happening, yes. Climate change is not happening because of people. Claiming that people are able to do something like climate change is just ego masturbation.

>>7718991
>emissions from human activity can be measured
>the environmental effect of these emissions can be measured
>somehow this evidence must be rejected because of 'masturbation'

>>7716942

o nice

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>>7718991
>climate change is ot happening because of people
>the largest emission of green house gases comes from agriculture and cars

Biggest sheeple experiment yet?

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>>7716814
>Russian scientists
lol who?

>>7716407
This.

>>7718987

Pretty much this. A massive driving force behind nearly every action on 4chan is to feel better by being different. Almost every board has this vice.

/pol/ - being politically incorrect
/g/ - not using apple
/r9k/ - it's cool to be a retard
/v/ - playing obscure games that aren't fun
/mu/ - speaks for itself
/tv/ - hating popular movies and TV despite quality
/b/ - being edgy

Just the boards I frequent.

>>7718999
>emissions from human activity can be measured
They can be ESTIMATED to within an order of magnitude.
>the environmental effect of these emissions can be measured
Not at all
>somehow this evidence must be rejected because of 'masturbation'
Widespread fraud & models that don't work is the only evidence we have so far.

>>7718521
if this isn't a troll you should honestly kill yourself.

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>it's a /pol/ thread

>>7716412
You're talking about the scientific consensus. Not the number of people who were too nervous to raise their hands in a fucking room.

>>7719434

/tv/ loves a load of popular stuff though

>>7717690
fallen on its face in that the temperature hasn't been going up? oh wait it has... so the model is largely irrelevant it just means we're not sure of the time scale in terms of decades

woo! one more decade before we know we done fuck up!
>>7716927
give us the number since youre making the claim conspirafag
oh wait, you people never do research

>>7716930
looks like the stratifications are different - that big peak behind red is totally different shape

>>7716405
>climate change threads exist?
yes, there are currently at least two of them

>>7716412
the new meme for white people is to spew fallacies with no basis

>>7716930
What the fuck are those red and blue bars supposed to be?
They're drawn in different places on each graph, and don't correspond to anything.
Also, if you take into account the different scales, all three graphs actually show pretty much the same thing.

>>7718991
>Claiming that 7,000,000,000 people burning things and building industry can change the climate is just ego masturbation.
Okay than.

>>7718980
The entire world economy is hugely dependent on fossil fuels. There's a lot of incentive to keep the status quo.

>>7719721
Not a great argument as for the same reason, there's also a large incentive to change the status quo.

>>7719645
>reddit loves a load of popular stuff though

>>7718980
Because rightwing politicians have made it part of their platform, it's the same as the anti-vaccination trend as of late or opposition to stem cell research. If Jesus is coming soon what point is there in worrying about the long term effects of massive fossil fuel use?

>>7719742
now you're using a fallacy. who cares if it's a "great argument" that's the way the world is.

>>7718987
you're a fucking idiot

>>7719860
>that's the way the world is.
>for the same reason, there's also a large incentive to change the status quo.
that's the way the world is.

>>7719868
that's the way some developed countries treat the world is a better topology

Conspiratorial thinking and anti-intellectualism go hand in hand

>>7718980
At this point I consider those people are no different than flat earth advocates.

>>7716405
>muh unrustled economic infrastructure
>muh renewable energy tax credits
>muh carbon credits
>muh unpursued renewables market
>muh corporations
>muh country
>muh citizen-proof complexity scenarios

>>7718478
>>7716434
>>7716414

Fools, if the hot sun is so hot it melts our icecaps which are big cold things I think it will melt your cold sun too before you can smash it in.

>>7716414
I think a good way is to connect earth to outer space with giant metal rods, it can conduct the coolness from space to earth because space is absolute 0

>>7721375
This describes the global warming alarmists quite well.

>t-t-t-the big multinational corporations are sabotaging green energy, dude

>>7721743
>t-t-t-the big multinational corporations are sabotaging green energy, dude

They're not? Oh phew, for a second I thought non-carcinogenic fuel sources weren't being pursued en-masse by any leading energy company.

>That image
That's nothing, OP.
90% of blacks are killed by blacks, but 100% of the coverage goes to white on black murders.

People deny climate change because it directly blames humans for the problem. Climate change is taken seriously around the world. The problem comes from Ameritards who hate being told they're wrong and its their fault. Remember Americans old and young are very narcissistic and egotistical. So this hits a nerve in their little brains. Fuck fuck sake, even Sandniggers know climate change is real and these people kill each other over a stupid book. The problem is America. China understand this because of the pollution which is killing 400,000 people a year.

>>7721750
>companies not investing billions of their dollars into alternative energy means that they're actively preventing it from being pursued

Considering the fact that a massive chunk of research funding goes into green energy due to government subsidies, I'd imagine that if big business wanted to stop it, they're not doing a very good job. The issue is that it's hard to compete with trillions of gallons of free energy sitting in the ground. Nobody wants to pay 2x the price for power.

>>7718045
This is true, and it has no adverse effects on the usefulness of molecular biology as a field. After all, we still want to be able to produce biological products on a consumer scale.

>>7718557
>The hippie boogieman
Sure, bud

>>7716405
Scientists will say what is popular in order to get grant money.

Scientist are mostly cowards who lack courage. They are often academic cowards who will agree the status quo to preserve their careers.

The money is in climate change research that backs up the agenda of the government and ultimately those who profit from carbon swaps.

There have been a number of times in the past when the PPM of carbon in the Earth atmosphere was vastly greater than it is today... That was not human cause.


All the dire predictions by these so called experts have come to pass.

>>7718980
>Why do people listen to scientists in nearly every other aspect of our lives, but for some reason there's such heated debate about global warming? Is denying that climate change is real an actual real life meme?
Why is it in other fields of science scepticism and inquiry are respected and encouraged, but on the topic of climate are derided and assaulted as crazy/evil?

>>7721850
Because even if it was factually incorrect that global warming is anthropogenic, it would still be politically correct. Politicians and media outlets do a hell of a lot more to ostracize skeptics than do climate scientists. It's science driven by politics, not policy decisions informed by science.

>>7719742
Why don't you stop and try thinking about what you're reading for two seconds instead of leaping to parrot pseudo rebuttals? Because you just agreed with me.

>>7721849
>There have been a number of times in the past when the PPM of carbon in the Earth atmosphere was vastly greater than it is today...

You mean the Great Extinction Events? Yeah, let's have another one of those.

>>7721850
>Why is it in other fields of science scepticism and inquiry are respected and encouraged, but on the topic of climate are derided and assaulted as crazy/evil?
It's not. Actual skepticism and inquiry is the foundation of climate science, and strongly encouraged.
However: a bunch of morons have decided to re-label conspiracy theorisim as "skepticism". Almost all of the people who call themselves "skeptics" actually aren't remotely skeptical, and just parrot stale arguments because they can't distinguish real skepticism from contraianism.

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>>7722150
Look at them moronic conspiracy theorists...

A scientific consensus said the continents didn't move. Conspiracy theorist said otherwise.
A scientific consensus said that light move through the ether. A conspiracy theorist said otherwise.
A scientific consensus said the phlogiston theory of fire was correct. Only conspiracy theorists doubted it.
A scientific consensus said that space and time were fixed. Wacky conspiracy theorist said otherwise.
A scientific consensus said that atoms were the smallest piece of matter. Nutjob conspiracy theorists said otherwise.

In the old Soviet Union, anyone who didn't believe in communism was crazy and locked up in a psycho ward. Anyone who didn't believe in Lysenkoism had a similar fate. Funny how anyone who doesn't believe in the unfalsifiable dogma of Climate Change is also a nutter.

The more things change...

>>7723483
>A scientific consensus said that atoms were the smallest piece of matter. Nutjob conspiracy theorists said otherwise.
I think you're horribly confused about what a conspiracy theorist is.

>>7716405
Why was CO2 ×10 times higher in past eras when there were ice ages?

Can you explain that?

>>7725321
Wildlife, different air composition, different atmosphere.

And the carbon sinks worked. There was no oceanic pollution, no deforestation, no artificially induced crops, no runaway pollution. There was a cycle and it worked.

Volcanic eruptions? Oh yes. The ash and sulphur aerosols released into the atmosphere cooled the landmass affected, allowing more carbon to be absorbed into the ocean.

Cold water absorbs more carbon, warm water is a poor absorber in comparison.

>>7723772
conspiracy theorist is a buzzword, you should ignore everyone who uses it

>>7716405
that 97% number is bogus. its 97% of studies, whos purpose was to determine the primary cause of climate change, and came to a conclusion. It excludes:

1. studies that concluded there is no climate change (beyond what is expected as normal)
2. studies that were inconclusive on climate change
3. studies that set out to determine the cause but were inconclusive

and you all just believed it because the president said it

and then theres faggots who will believe this post fully because it agrees with their viewpoint

You all disgust me.

>>7716405
topkek

That 97% is of the 33% that believe science can currently answer that question...........

>>7718991
You realize the current state of our atmosphere having as much oxygen as it does it due to pollution by microorganisms right ? If anything you're undermining how fragile a planets structure can be

>I don't believe 7 Billion people with their industries can make a difference on a planet-wide scale!
>Let's just continue throwing every toxic waste into the sea! Just burn some crude oil for teh lulz! Everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist-hippie-gubamint-shill!!

Guys, I don't wanna sound like a hippie, but maaaayyyybe it's not a bad idea to reduce the stuff we blow into the atmosphere, and maybe don't just bury garbage in the earth. Common snse should tell you that, but I guess "I ain' gunna pay no more taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!" sounds better in some peoples heads.

Listen

>Water vapor and CO2 (water vapor being the exponentially better one) are both huge 'greenhouse gases'
>Extreme scientific support in that claim via infrared and absorption spectroscopy
>Although Earth naturally produces those, we do as well - thus we do contribute
>How much we don't know totally yet, but does it really matter lmfao? If Earth is going to shit we should slow it down as much as possible

>>7730309
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.