r8 my CS program

>>7676908
>only 123 credits

>>7676908
You do "first year writing" and "chemistry" in your CS major? Can someone explain me what's up with American colleges? In my country you decide what you want to study and the university decides which courses you take at which moments. All courses directly related to the field you're studying. Occasionally you can choose between different courses, for example as a Math major you can pick 2 courses in your second and third year, some things that come to mind that you can choose are Fourier Analysis, Advanced Probability, System Theory, etc.

>>7676954
Our liberal faggotry departments force other departments to take their faggotry classes that nobody wants to take.

>>7676954
It's not an American thing. All good universities give you a broad education in the foundations. The international engineering alliance for example requires all Washington Accord accredited degrees to have intro courses in certain physical science like mat sci, chem, phys etc.

>>7676908
>data structures junior year

shiggy

>>7676908
>doing CS instead of IS
it's like you don't even want to make money and actually look forward to your job being outsourced to pajeet.

>>7676974
engineering requires maths and physics this is literally retarded

>>7676995
Mechatronic engineers don't need chemistry and yet they need to take it.

quick question Sci, should i go for a BA or BS in CompSci at my uni

BA program
http://provostdata.kent.edu/roadmapweb/2015/asbscs.pdf

BS program
http://provostdata.kent.edu/roadmapweb/2015/asbscs.pdf

iv had multiple sources tell me both BA and BS are equal in employers eyes so why not do the BA and learn the math on my own so if i fuck up it wont be calculated into my GPA?

>>7677084
ah sorry here is the BA
http://provostdata.kent.edu/roadmapweb/2015/asbacs.pdf

>>7676995
>>7677002
freshman detected.

there are shitloads of classes for engineers that need at least a rudimentary understanding of chemistry.

>strength of materials
>solid mechanics
>vibrations
>combustion engines
>manufacturing processes

come back when you are done with statics and calc 2.

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>>7676908
>CS program
I'm so sorry.

>>7676908
what the fuck sort of CS program is this

>1st year
>a load of random unrelated shit and some math

>2nd year
>looks ok until public speaking and natural science

>3rd year
>3 years(!) into a CS program and taking Data Structures and Algorithms + intro to "computer organisation"

I don't understand American higher education

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r8 my ME program

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obligatory

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>>7677134
>People make fun of american CS programs
>Look at a typical German one
>It's an even bigger joke


1. Semester
>Introduction to Computer Science for Games Engineering
>Lab: Foundations of Programming
>Introduction of Computer Science 1
>Discrete Structures
>Elective: Soft Skills
2. Semester
>Game Engine Design
>Lab: Game Engine Design
>Introduction to Software Technology
>Foundations: Algorithms and Data Structures
>Linear Algebra for Computer Science
3. Semester
>Interaction methods and equipment
>Aspects of low-level programming during game development
>Operating systems and hardware dependent programming for games
>Analysis for Computer Science
>Elective: Game Design and others
4. Semester
>Social Gaming
>Lab: Social Gaming
>Foundations: Computer Networks and Distributed Systems
>Introduction to theoretical computer science
>Numerical programming
5. Semester
>Physics foundations for computer games
>Foundations: Databases
>Fundamentals of Artificial Intelligence
>Seminar
>Elective: Soft Skills
>Elective: Computer Science and Games Engineering
6. Semester
>Bachelor Colloquium
>Bachelor Thesis
>Elective: Game Design and others
>Elective: Computer Science and Games Engineering

>>7677232
>that curriculum

absolutely disgusting

>>7677232
this is a program from my university which is actually called games engineering, this is NOT a typical CS curriculum. CS still a shit tho

>>7676908
>only one semester of GenChem
>1 physics for retards instead of the 3 for STEM
>vector geometry seminar and not a full course on modern geometry
>no required compilers, os theory, computation theory courses

Shit

>3 writing courses
>option to substitute intro for proofs for discrete
>public speaking
>professionalism

Ok

4/100

>>7677358
That physics class is the same one physics majors take. Also, a general education requirement is 2 semesters + 2 labs of chem or physics or biology, so most guys opt for the 2 semesters of physics.

Compiler theory and theory of computation satisfy the required CS electives so 90% of CS grads here end up taking those.

>>7677358
Also should I do the intro to proofs substitution for discrete, as well as the modern algebra substitution for combinatorics? I'd imagine so.

>>7677368

Yes, especially for the proofs class. The stuff in combinatorics and graph theory is simple enough that you'll pick it up in no time on your own so go for algebra.

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OP, that's not a CS program, what the fuck.

>>7677358
>3 semesters of physics

Try 4 at a real school

>>7676908
Holy shit you guys in America learn nothing? whats with the 34 credits in one year?
4 Years and only 123 credits? we do that in 2 years in Europe lol..

>>7676908
Is there something I am missing with the american academic year or credits per work hour?

17 credit points per semester seems a bit low? Shit, I do double that amount in a semester and my courses are not babby tier CS and shit.

>>7677419

It's more common for the intro sequence to be 3 courses than 4.

>>7677453
3 credits typically means the course meets 3 hours a week (3 times a week for an hour, or twice weekly for like an hr and a half)

>>7677413
>>7676908

Read classes like
>X for computer science

What is that supposed to mean? Please someone in CS that has taken a class like Linear Algebra for Computer Science tell me that it is not a dumbed down version of the original curse with none of the theoretical concepts explored but only the "useful", "applied" things. Please PLEASE tell me that is not the case. I still have a little bit of respect for Computer Science people.

>>7677474
I have TA'ed such a class and can confirm that it is nothing but using the Gauß algorithm to solve linear equations and calculations of Eigenvalues/Eigenvectors. There are absolutlely zero proofs in the exercises/homeworks yet the students still keep failing.

>>7677479
That is seriously disgusting.

How do CS students live with themselves? What is the point of learning something if you can't have a little bit of fun with it.

Even worse, CS is supposed to be this huge curriculum based on logic that will serve as a foundation for theoretical and applied software development but how can a degree claim to be logic-based when students aren't even taught to do proofs.

Seriously, is CS actually a meme degree?

>>7677466
Ah, ok that explains it then. For me in germany we get 9 CP for such a lecture (2 times a week 90 minutes + 90 minutes tutorials). For a whole semester this translates to (supposedly) 270 hours total workload. So we're supposed to get 1 CP for 30 hours working.

>>7676908
A good CS major should look like this

>Required
Programming
Data Structures
Algorithms
Digital Logic
Computer Architecture
Programming Paradigms
Operating Systems Theory
Advanced System and Network Programming
Programming Languages and Compilers
Theory of Computation
Professionalism, Ethics, Risk-Assessment and Legalities
Technical Writing

Linear Algebra
Vector Calculus
Ordinary Differential Equations
Probability
Statistics
Proofs and Abstract Mathematics
Combinatorics and Graph Theory
Numerical Analysis
Modern Geometries (Differential, Affine, Projective, etc)
Abstract Algebra

>Elective Groups (Must pick one course from 10 groups and do at least 13 courses)

>A
Provable Security
Mathematical Cryptography
Cryptographic Implementation and Network Security

>B
Kernel and Driver Development
Compiler Implementation
Malware Analysis and Reverse Engineering

>C
Image Processing
Computer Graphics
Computer Vision

>D
Artificial Intelligence
Natural Language Processing
Pattern Recognition and Data Mining

>E
Combinatorial Optimization and Network Flows
Approximation Algorithms
Linear Programming

>F
Communication Theory
Digital Signal Processing
Information Theory and Coding Theory

>G
Control Theory
Computational Modelling and Simulation
Dynamical Systems Theory

>H
Advanced Complexity Theory
Quantum Computing
Mathematical Logic

>I
Databases
Distributed Systems
Networks

>J
Software "Engineering"
Economics
Mathematical Finance
Co-Op

>K
One year sequence of science courses
Circuits and Microelectronics

>L
2 advanced math courses not overlapping with the above

>>7677489
>is CS actually a meme degree

That's what /sci/ has been saying for years. CS majors exaggerate the content in their major to hell and back.

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>>7677474
Have to admit, the dumbing down is pretty bad. Take a look at the LA exam of last year: https://studysupport.svcover.nl/Linear%20Algebra/Exams/2014-06-16.pdf

>>7677496
>9
This is how you spot autism.

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>>7677514
Oh god what

>textbook+calculator allowed
>3 hours time
>6 questions
>the first two can be solved in 15 minutes

Holy fuck I am so mad right now

>>7677520
>bitching you have to take more than 9 courses

>No required personal hygiene seminar

You're going to fail in the real world without those skills. What shitty program doesn't realize that no CS major comes in with those skills?

>>7677565
>You're going to fail in the real world without those skills
>implying failure in life isnt a prerequisite to enroll in cs

>>7677553
Oh god what

>it takes him 15 minutes to do those 2 problems
>he can't do it in 5

>>7677413
Shit looks way too specialized. I prefer the american way like OP.

>>7677514
Oh shit, is that real exam in USA? Is that from top-tier uni or from some shitty one?

>>7677646
This is not from an American university. This is an exam from a university in the Netherlands. Check the link.

>>7677608
True, but I should have to plug my nose when I'm around those failures.

>>7677232
Do you not have a software engineering curriculum? That just looks like a game development concentration...

Computer Science Core 18 hours

CSC 185: Intro to Computer Concepts (3)
CSC 190: Object-Oriented Programming I (3)
CSC 191: Object-Oriented Programming II (3)
CSC 195: Intro to Discrete Structures (3)
CSC 310: Data Structure (3)
CSC 340: Ethics & Software Engineering (3)

OPTIONS (Must select one of the following options)

COMPUTER SCIENCE (GENERAL)
Option Requirements 30 hours

CSC 320: Introduction to Algorithms (3)
CSC 360: Computer Org & Architecture (3)
CSC 400: Operating Systems (3)
CSC 440: Applied Software Engineering (3)
CSC 460: Computer Network & System Administration (3)
CSC 545: theory of Database Systems (3)

PLUS FOUR (4) COURSES selected from the following:

CSC 300: Introduction to Numerical Methods (3)
CSC 308: Mobile App Development for _____ (3)
CSC 315: 3D Modeling (3)
CSC 316: 3D Game Engine Design (3)
CSC 332: Digital Storage Device Forensics (3)
CSC 350: Principles of Programming Languages (3)
CSC 390: Advanced Programming Techniques with _____ (3)
CSC 425: Compiler Construction (3)
CSC 490: Seminar in _____ (1-3)
CSC 491: Console Game Design (3)
CSC 520: Multimedia System and Forensics (3)
CSC 538: Computer Crime and Forensics (3)
CSC 540: Integrated DB Applications (3)
CSC 544: Database Admin and Security (3)
CSC 546: Artifical Intelligence (3)
CSC 547: Network Forensics and Investigation (3)
CSC 548: Personal Electronic Device Forensics (3)
CSC 550: Graphics Programming (3)

>>7677117
Strength of mateirals does not require an understanding of chemistry at all.
>vibrations
>combustion engines
>manufacturing processes
None of those are mechatronics classes.

>>7677646
>>7677655

University of Groningen, The Netherlands.

Rated around ~90 on most of the lists, but not specifically known for its CS program. That being said, I specifically posted that one because it's one of the easiest exams.

>>7677222
based

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Just finished my second year, I'm thinking of doing applied next year but I'm still not sure. Any thoughts?

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How's mine? First year.

>>7680176
Why is all your shit labeled "II" without a "I" prereq? Why not just call it "I"?

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>>7680439

>>7680439
>>7680477
It's copied straight from the course catalogue. I imagine it would be just so any course with 'III' for example is more easily recognised as a 3rd year course at a glance. Must be an Australian thing.

>>7680555
>Matrix Algebra 1st semester

This should be the standard everywhere

>Circuits analysis -> Electronic Devices -> AC Circuits -> Electronic Circuits

WEIRD, just WEIRD

>No DSP

wtf

>>7680580
I don't know why it isn't, America is weird

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r8

>>7680878
Try and get some math electives in such as Differential Eq's and MV Calc if you can

>>7680884
there is some some mv calc in calc2, and i probably can listen to diff lectures in the physics department

>>7677084
>>7677086
BS seems better after a quick skim through

r8 my masters degree:

Topics in Algebra
Graph Theory
Topics in Algebra
Complex Analysis
Topics in Combinatorics
Topics in Combinatorics
Measure Theory
Topics in Combinatorics
Algorithm Design and Analysis

>>7680961
>math
0/10

>>7676973
>yfw one day you realize that that's the only way that people in those fields can still have jobs, otherwise their liberal degrees are pointless and non-marketable so they force students to attend their lectures

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A-Am I going to make it?

It's shit, and I didn't even need to read it.

>>7677496
Some of those elective groups are very vaguely related shit slapped together

>>7676974
>It's not an American thing. All good universities give you a broad education in the foundations

Except that if one wants a broad education they should learn that in fucking high school. College should be about specializing.

>>7677117
>implying they are gonna learn that in Chemistry 101 which is the only basic class they have to take in Chemistry. Maybe organic chemistry in some universities.

>>7677496
>CS majors taking geometries and abstract algebra

literally retarded

>>7677232
that's game DESIGN not CS...

>>7682286
>grad school should be about specializing.
FTFY

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>>7682506

What math is in computer vision/graphics
What math is in coding theory

>This is why CS majors aren't respected

>>7684092
Lel is this a serious argument? Are you even at a university? Im guessing youre underage

You would maybe take that in graduate school. A typical CS major has no use for noneuclidean geometry or field theory you epic memer

>>7677413
>Neurobiology

Why?

>>7684104

Yeah they should take 4 years of OOP and advanced vim faggotry. What the hell was I thinking requiring them to actually learn something in school.

>>7684092
You need math in order to determine if that cool new computer vision algorithm you came up with requires a computer larger than the size of the universe to run.

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To the people laughing at (1) CS programs and (2) liberal arts schools, my course load proves how it's possible to get a legitimately rigorous math & CS education from one of these places, even graduating in 3 years.

>>7677733
>CSC 185: Intro to Computer Concepts (3)
> CSC 190: Object-Oriented Programming I (3)
> CSC 191: Object-Oriented Programming II (3)
> CSC 340: Ethics & Software Engineering (3)
>CSC 440: Applied Software Engineering (3)
> CSC 460: Computer Network & System Administration (3)

What's with all the required monkeying?

>>7677496
>Professionalism, Ethics, Risk-Assessment and Legalities
Maybe for a programming major...
Otherwise, I agree with your sentiment and perspective completely.

>>7677733
>Core includes ethics
>3 OOP courses, with no alternative, declarative paradigms required

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Rate

Year one - Geneds and drinking
Year two - Two semesters of single variable calculus and physics, more geneds and drinking
Year three - Linear algebra, multivariable calc, differential equations, basic number theory & proofs, model theory, intro to programming and cs, data structures, intro discrete math, advanced probability (ignore title, assumes multivariable calc but not analysis or measure theory)
Year four - algorithms, computer architecture, linear programming, neuroscience and computation, automata, independent research in computer science, numerical analysis, class on models used in casualty and risk stuff

>mfw graduating with a cs degree despite not taking a single course OS, networking, or compilers course

>>7677086
>No math, not even calc 1

shit

>>7677159
>4 PE classes
wtf
>Nat.&hmn. values
>Human systems
wat

>>7676908
I usually just shit on CS majors because everyone else at VT does, but Christ. Never realized how soft your curriculum actually is.

>>7684222
>rigorous math

>no analysis
>no topology
>no complex variables
>not even any PDEs

That's pretty shitty

Nice virginia tech course reqs buddy. I'll see you in mcbryde

>>7684222
This program in general is a pretty great CS program and putnam / ICPC preparation are amazing. I'd be wary of calling it "rigorous math program" without analysis, geometry or topology, but your preparation in algebra, number theory, probability and selected applied math classes is very nice.

I think you did a fucking amazing job with you degree, it's impressive you covered all this in 3 years, which makes me question how deep the classes you took actually went, but still good job.

>>7676908
sorry it doesn't compile

Mexican CS program incoming, I'm gonna translate it for you cause that's how much I love you

>1st semester
Elementary Linear Algebra I
Discrete Structures (boolean logic basically)
Introduction to CS
Applied Math I (applied calculus)

>2nd semester
Elementary Linear Algebra II
Data Structures
Graph and Game theory
Applied Math II

>3rd semester
Linear Algebra I
Applied Math III
Programming and Design Patterns
Probability I

>4th semester
Automata and Formal Languages
Computational Logic
Applied Math IV
Organization and Architecture of Computers

>5th semester
Algorithm Analysis
Distributed Computing
Database Fundamentals
Programming Languages

>6th semester
Software Engineering
Artificial Intelligence
Operating Systems

>7th semester
Compilers
Computational Complexity
Computer Networks

>8th semester
Concurrent Computing
Cryptography and Security

and a bunch of electives I won't bother with.

>>7685466
>2 semesters of "Elementary Linear Algebra"

How? Also why?

>>7685471
well they actually call it "Superior Algebra", dunno why since I felt it was just getting us ready for real Linear Algebra

First class is about functions, matrices, and a peek of vector spaces

Second class is about rings/fields, constructing the Integers, Reals, and Complex numbers with a bit of polynomials at the end

>>7685466

it's not elementary linear algebra, unamfag; álgebra superior refers to several different (elementary) topics in number theory and abstract algebra.

>>7676908
what up fellow virginia tech cs autist

>>7684580
Not if you want to study interesting mathematics.

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P-Please be gentle.

Is that a minor?

>>7682282

The point is to expose them to as wide of a selection of fields within CS as possible so they don't just take a fuckton of SE/OOP classes.

>>7687519
Who the fuck are you talking to

>>7688507
>6 CS courses

>>7689073
That's not a minor, that's my entire major.

Math and Physics BS double major program:

First semester
>Discrete Math I
>Diff Eq
>Physics III
>Physics III lab
>Matlab/scientific computing

Second
>Intro to advanced math
>Discrete Math II
>Intro complex analysis
>Planetary atmospheres and Ionospheres

Third
>Advanced Calc I (real analysis)
>Abstract Algebra
>Math methods in physics
>Classical Mechanics
>EM Theory

Fourth
>Advanced Calc II
>Advanced Linear Algebra
>Thermal Physics
>Modern Physics
>Intro to Astrophysics

Fifth
>Probability
>Differential Geometry
>Intro to Quantum Mechanics & Atomic Physics
>Stars & Interstellar Mediums

Sixth
>Statistics
>Topology
>Wave Motion and EM Radiation
>Modern Physics Lab
>Solid State Physics
>Galaxies and Cosmology

Seventh
>Number Theory
>Geometry
>PDEs
>Math Honors Thesis I

Eighth
>History of Math
>Math Honors Thesis II
>Fluid Mechanics
>Relativity
>Nuclear and Particle Physics

Excluded my gen eds.

>>7689151
not CS/10

>>7689136

Which is why CS is a joke

>>7689151
>2 semesters of discrete math
but took
>Intro to advanced math
>Probability
>Statistics
>Number Theory

For what purposes? Shouldn't you have just taken a graduate combinatorics and graph theory courses instead?

>Advanced Calc I (real analysis)

Judging by the name I guess you didn't even do metric spaces.

>Modern Physics
but took
>Physics III
>Intro to Quantum Mechanics & Atomic Physics
>Solid State Physics
>Nuclear and Particle Physics

That modern physics class was certainly unnecessary and meant for those too lazy for that QM class

>Intro to Astrophysics
but took
>Stars & Interstellar Mediums
>Galaxies and Cosmology
>Relativity

That Astrophysics class was certainly unnecessary and meant for those too lazy for those in depth classes.

65/100 math major, 40/100 physics major. You didn't try very hard.

>>7689168
Actually that chart has nothing to do with me. That's MIT's.

TOP KEK MIT CONFIRMED PLEB TIER - /sci/

>>7689222

All CS programs are shit dude

>>7684127
>implying thats not learning something

if you want them to take non-applied math, have them major in something besides CS lel

>>7689207
I'm still in my first semester, I have flexibility.

I am on the fence about that second semester of discrete actually. The first part just covers some logic, set theory, counting, and graph theory without too much detail. Second part is combinatorics. I'll consider a grad course for it though.

Intro to advanced math I have to take for some upper level stuff.

I looked at a previous syllabus and advanced calc I covers chapters 1-5 of this book: http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Calculus-Introduction-Linear-Analysis/dp/0470232889/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448845138&sr=8-1&keywords=richardson+advanced+calculus

The modern physics class is a prereq for the QM class, which is then a prereq for the solid state and particle physics classes. Physics III doesn't even get into the latter two things, 2/3 of it was optics and thermo.

Intro astrophysics is prereq for the next two astro courses.

I appreciate the feedback.

>>7677222
Where is this degree plan from?

>>7689315
Purdue I think