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Please explain how existence can come from non-existence. I'll wait. Oh wait, that's right. It's completely impossible and is just as dumb as trying to debunk determinism.
Non-existence, by definition, isn't a place or a thing. So how the hell can existence come FROM a PLACE that is non-existent? Non-existence is a concept of the human mind and nothing more. Non-existence, by definition, has never existed and will never exist. There is no non-existence pre-birth, and there is no non-existence post-death. There is only the conceptual non-existence that is used to describe the non-arrangement of matter. The individual fundamental parts that make up me at this very moment have existed for an infinite amount of time. However, the object that these parts come together to make has not. At a truly fundamental level, everything that currently exists has always existed and will continue to always exist. These TRULY fundamental / elementary pieces are not divisible and they do not undergo decay. There is no place known as non-existence for them to go. Non-existence isn't a place. Fundamental things cannot just pop up into existence and neither can they just fade into non-existence. Therefore time is infinite. There wasn't a beginning. The big bang was just another event in the infinitely large timeline of the universe.
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>>7667968
Who says it did?
The big bang was not the creation of the universe, it was the beginning of the expansion of the universe.
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>>7667968
So what do you suppose the nature of meta or semi physical such as phase space or spin would be involved in non-existence OP?
Just curious how such would fit in to your synopsis of the semantics of nothing
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>>7667968
>debunk
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>>7667968
>Non-existence is a concept of the human mind and nothing more.
Is zero a concept or is it an integral part of the mathematics upon which the universe is built?
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>>7667983
Please show me the location of zero and where it exists
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>>7667997
It's just before 1 :^)
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>>7668001
What's 1? An apple? Where is the zero apple?
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>>7668007
After you eat the apple
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>>7667968
What were you doing all that time before you were born OP? Jacking it to 11 dimensional homo space porn?
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>>7668013
Throughout my entire lifetime, I am a bunch of different iterations of matter arrangements. Every single fundamental piece that consists of all of these different iterations of matter arrangements has always existed and will always exist. Just because they had yet to be arranged into the correct formation (iteration of me), it does not mean that they were non-existent. It just means that prior to my birth, nobody had the conceptual idea of the object that consists of all the matter is me.
>>7668011
Conceptually, the apple no longer exists. In reality, the apple exists for its parts still exist which are being digested in my stomach
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>>7668025
You shouldn't treat Vonnegut as a real philosopher, anon.
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>>7667968
>Please explain how existence can come from non-existence.
It doesn't If the universe is a bubble in a larger actuality then time is also part of that bubble. You're less than a mote, who sits at the bottom of the bubble and thinks it has no beginning.
Steady state theory is also making a comeback.
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>>7667968
yes, well done!
this is roughly what I believe as well. I think reality is probably millions of orders of magnitude weirder than our ape brains can understand, though
we will need the singularity to reach enlightenment
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We can only understand things relative to time. Since time started at the very conception of the universe we'll never be able to understand what came before.
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>>7667968
>time is infinite
[Citation needed]
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>>7667968
Why do philosophers love wordplay so much?
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>>7669922
Because language is the proxy by which we expand our logic and come to think things we couldn't otherwise think to think about. Just think what has come out of debates over semantics, they're hardly substanceless.
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>>7669924
Which reminds me of a great song lyric.
"Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving problems, after it creates a problem."
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