Jordan B Peterson

>>39625344
Look at this anon with the messy, dragon-infested room.

>>39625344
I really like his biblical series

>>39625344
Yeah, he's a psychologist.

>>39625344
You should watch his talk about bitterness and resentment.
Most people here should too.

At least try to unfuck your shit you lazy pathetic fool.

>>39625368
Look at this cuckold who supports a fraud "psychologist" whose only advice is hot air. Hey faggot have you "sorted yourself out" yet? Did Daddy Jordan help you make $60k a month?

>>39625404
You're the one on /r9k/ faggot.

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>>39625344

OP hasn't cleaned his room

>>39625344
lmao he makes like $500k a year.

Slay the proverbial dragon. Save your father from the underworld. Clean your room sort yourself out.

>>39625472
nm I misread.
http://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/people/bsfytg

More like $150k

>>39625344
isn't this the cuck that btfo by scott adams?

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>>39625344

I don't hate Jordan, but if you keep listening to him, it's like playing world 1-1 of Mario over and over again.

His lectures only start you on the journey. You should never OD on jordan, otherwise you'll get into this Dungeons and Dragons shit which takes you back to square 1.

>>39625472
ya its great barb, these kids give me all this money to tell em to sort emselves oot eh

>>39625503
just stop being so darn tooten lazy for gosh darn sake

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>>39625344
Wow. Weird coincidence. This happened yesterday.
>be me
>10 pm, browsing 4chan
>someone starts knocking on my apartment door
>not quite banging, just knocking really fast and forcefully
>sit still and wait, hoping they'll fuck off
>5min later they haven't, I open the door
>it's Jordan Peterson
>wants to know if I'd like to buy a DVD Extended Collection (this is what he actually calls it) of his lectures
>tell him no but he's really enthusiastic and I feel bad so I end up buying two anyway
>after this he asks if I want to buy a new kind of air filter, says he's got several in his truck, keeps hyping them up
>I say no, he seems really disappointed and kind of upset with himself
>he leaves
>look out the window and he's pulling out in a white pickup with like twenty stand-up air purifiers in boxes in the back
wtf

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>>39625344
>But I guess since he made fun of SJWs once he's based so we should throw our money at him and let him fuck our wives.

>he's not capitalizing on the alt-right drumpfkin retards

The market is pretty saturated now but but it's pretty easy to say some racist things or politically incorrect things and these idiots will flock to you and just throw their money at you.

>>39625344
I liked jordan peterson when i first listened to him but then as i watched more and more lectures i realised they're all the fucking same

my favourite is when he talked about how he hates people that give the same speeches/lectures over and over again and he finds that lazy and despicable - and then i saw him say the same thing word for word in another lecture

>>39625522
>so I was talking to this idiot
>hes a very nice person
>but a gosh darn idiot
>I know he is because he doesn't make 100k a year and has unclean plates in his room
>well anyway, he's very interesting person
>and what I learnt from him was that you always have to be very careful not to let your shadow take over and become a bad person
>but you must also harness your shadow

>>39625588
nigga just like make 100k a year lmao
just, like, slay your shadow nigga hahaha

>>39625604
>life is gonna be tough
>but you can improve it
>and so it can be tough but a little less tough

>>39625584

>my favourite is when he talked about how he hates people that give the same speeches/lectures over and over again and he finds that lazy and despicable - and then i saw him say the same thing word for word in another lecture

kek. There's an interview on the Joe Rogan show where he criticises others for 'rambling'. I found that one hilarious.

>>39625344
>clean my room
>life still shit
what now

>>39625624
i mean gosh darn, he's a really nice guy but a huge hypocrite and generally his lectures boil down to very little actual substance but I can't hate him or even dislike him because he seems like a genuine person

>>39625646

He's pretending to be an intellectual, though. I mean he dresses and acts a certain way, uses all the hand gestures and idioms of someone trying to convey "deep thinker", when I honestly believe he's just spouting off the first thing to come to his mind, and he ends up being quite reactionary, "nihilists", "communism kills". I also disagree with his 'stance' on pronouns. From what I understand his university is state funded, so it's reasonable that he should be willing to address people in the way that they like. I would be offended if I was referred to as a "woman" or a "beta", I don't see why it's a big deal for him to refer to a MTF as "she".

what's this faggot's problem with post modernist marxists?
I thought he was a professor... isn't that a prerequisite?

>>39625707
how totalitarian they are and how they ignore evidence based on their feelings (men and women are the same, everyone is the same, but social constructions are responsible for different outcomes)

>>39625697
>I don't see why it's a big deal for him to refer to a MTF as "she".
That's not his issue. He doesn't want to use things like xe/xir or they/them.

>>39625344
Many people earn a living talking nonsense, anon. Why haven't you?

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>>39625344
peterson is redpill machine
pic related

>>39625726
is it not possible that Jordan just doesn't understand the subject matter as well as he thinks he does and is wrong about those things?
environment is important as hell

>>39625697
the bill he was protesting would make it illegal to misgender someone, a punishable crime. the issue was that it included any made-up pronouns as well, hence the guy that parodied it by changing his pronouns to His Majesty

>>39625344
Looks like you have some sorting out to do.

>>39625757

Ok, thanks for correcting me... but is there much difference? Why does he feel this is an important issue? In real life if someone has a seemingly strange request and it doesn't hurt to go along with that preference, most people would do it.

>>39625872

>Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.

So basically federal employees can't be rude to you or they may get disciplined or fired at worst.

>>39625921
It sets a social authoritarian precedent

>>39625952

In what way? Do you think the Canadian Human Rights Act doesn't do the same thing for people who express racist views for example? Is that authoritarian? Why should a black man be taxed to pay for employees who aren't required to treat him with dignity and may call him a nigger? This isn't significantly different to that.

>>39625835
I'm not a JBP fan, but I think he's right about the post modernists and Marxists. They are advocating for things that we know are wrong: that there's no difference between men and women, that socialism/communism can work, etc. On top of that, they're the biggest threat to free speech in this country. You don't have to look any further than Evergreen to see them in action, or at Berkeley (Milo, Ann Coulter, etc) and you'll see them in action when Little Benji heads there on the 14th? It's either the 14th of the 15th.

>>39625637
>what now
get in your bed so I can tuck you in and tell you bedtime stories about dragons.

(jordan is literally creating grownup children)

>>39626035
> society has literally creating grownup children

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take the hair pill

>>39626087
He's like 55, surprised he has what little hair he does.

>>39625584
jordan is a snake oil salesman.

his lecture are his "air filters"
but he never actually teaches you how to get "air filters" yourself, even though he knows how. The secret is that he meditates and is in the present all the time.

>>39626140
A lot of his advice is practical and empirically supported though.

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>>39625344
I saw Jordan Peterson at a grocery store in Toronto yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, "Oh, like you're doing now, bucko?"
I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping and I heard him quote Jung as I walked off. WHen I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the door with like fifteen vacuum cleaners in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be slaying dragons and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the vacuums and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any postmodern infetterence," and then turned around and winked at me. I don't even think that's a word. After she scanned each vacuum and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>39625522
>BUY MY FUCKING MERCH

>>39625344
Idiots will be idiots, Willful ignorance will always be craved by the masses. What he sells is "hope", weak willed morons will always fall for a silver tongued psychologist,

>>39625500
this anon understands the nature of the Path, read what he tells you -- then you gotta move on

>>39625500
Then what's next after Jordan?

He has charisma, and a few nuggets of wisdom, but ultimately he's just another rabbit/black hole to fall into to avoid living your life (e.g. all those endless hours of lectures).

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>>39625500
That guy looks like Liam Hemsworth.

>>39625990
Not comparable. Trannies have a mental illness that should not be encouraged. It should be treated like any other mental illness. Society should not conform to it.

God I just wish r9k would collectively kill yourselves, you have no hope. End it now.

>too brainlet to consider looking through a new perspective and challenging your suppositions
>will cling to a broken worldview and spend a lifetime suffering
The prof is a fucking saint. Got me on the long hard road of digging myself out of this put Ive fallen into. Hes helped a lot of people through some dire times. Life is hard retards. Dont blame a person for telling the cold hard truth youve been avoiding for so long.

>>39626359
Some people are just incurable.
Probably like when I first started posting on 4chan and didn't realize there was Russian/communist/marxist mental cancer trying to destroy the idea of the individual and create power structures (You see them in every thread on 4chan, individuals trying to one-up each other with no means to an end.) I am surprised more people on 4chan are not raging at Jordan Petersen because he's completely deconstructing over a decade of mental brainwashing and conditioning that these people have been accustomed to.

People will say "he speaks extemporaneously and says stuff that's obvious." That's exactly the point. It's extraordinarily obvious and yet he's one of the first people to actually point it out because feminists, racialists, socialists, Marxists, communists etc. will either ban dialogue or twist dialogue. I can't even browse 4chan because the vast majority of posters are mentally/emotionally cancerous and basically spread their mimetic diseases through trolling transmission because they have sold off their own cultural identity by buying into the true meaning of cultural marxism: to whittle every individual down to the point that they are not individuals and can be state-controlled.

>>39626291
A mental illness is a physical thing affecting that pink jelly covered mass in people's craniums. Encouraging or discouraging it won't do shit.

>>39626690
isn't nazism all about destroying the idea of the individual and creating power structures

you people are retarded

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>>39625344
>autistic fat losers making fun of a force of good for troubled people

You guys are such sad disgusting wastes of life

>>39626784
Its just the worst of the worst posting here. I see loads of chan avatars posting insightful shit on his channel. He has touched a lot of autists (heh). The ones resisting are most likely the young/dumb who still has a ways to go. Some will come around eventually

>>39626762
Both communism and fascism were diametrically opposed and yet shared the common bond of trying to enforce structural control.

The reason democracy works better and has worked better for the past 100 years is because it allows individualism: it is not rigid. Different people can take control and shape their own destinies.

Marxism was basically fascism under another name. "You can't worship a god, because the state is god. You worship the state." You are fucking retarded.

>>39625495

no, you were right. you're neglecting the fact he has his own clinic ontop of his salary from being a professor. a psychologist of his caliber and in that region will easily make somewhere between $200-500/hr

>>39626294
>>39626784
>>39626865

Defending your cult leader 101

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Jordan Peterson. His lectures are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of psychology most of the teachings will go over a typical listener's head. There's also Peterson's existentialist outlook, which is deftly woven into his lectures- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Nietzsche, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of his knowledge, to realise that it's not just intellectually stimulating- it says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Peterson truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the wisdom in Peterson's existential catchphrase "sort yourself out, bucko," which itself is a cryptic reference to Dostoyevsky's Russian epic The Brothers Karamazov. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Peterson's genius wit unfolds itself on their ears. What fools.. how I pity them.

All his "followers" display classic cult behavior. What is this dude saying? The exact same things you read in a self-help book. Why do you treat it like some holy gospel?

>>39626359
>>39626690

God you guys are so fucking brainwashed. You can't even think for yourselves.

>>39626897
How can he be a cult leader if he is encouraging people to think for themselves.

I don't even fucking understand the connection you're trying to make.

>>39626912

Basically what you seem to be trying to say here is "if you don't think like me, you aren't thinking for yourself." Does that make any fucking sense? I bet you're the sort of person who thinks he's edgy by purchasing a mass-produced iPhone and "thinking differently." lol kids are so sad these days

>>39626897
I don't care about Peterson, neither do you, its just because he hits you with the reality that your to blame for your unhappiness because fundamentally you're a useless waste of carbon.

You deserve to be miserable because you'll do nothing to fix it.

>>39626902
Come at Jordan Peterson, you plebian. He is the fucking pinnacle of man, both body and mind. He attended an Ivy league university, completely payed off by scholarships, with the leftover money used to buy himself a luxury vehicle. His grade point average was perfect point O. After he finished his dual bachelors he was accepted straight away into the doctorate program. He had two doctorate degree's by age twenty-five, owed zero debts, and made more money a year than you will in a lifetime. The funny thing is, this is the average Jordan Peterson. There are many who far surpass him.

>>39626902
>morty we have to *buuurp* clean our rooms and rescue our f*buuuuurp*ather from the underworld morty

>>39626909
Morons are gonna be morons,

>>39626690
>yet he's one of the first people to actually point it out

he's nowhere near the first. But maybe the first to say it while in a liberal environment.

however that's it. jordan introduces normies such as yourself to the ideas but can take you no further. He is a liberal professor with slightly more enlightenment but ultimately, he's still a liberal professor.

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>>39626902
Man, I gotta take this one to /wowg/.

>>39625697

>phd of psychology from mcgill (one of, if not THE best university concerning psychology in the *world* at the time)
>previous professor at Harvard university
>registered IQ ~130-140

you literally are incapable of rationalizing how he could be a pseudo-intellectual. you even completely misunderstand his position on (hint!) being forced to use certain pronouns.

sour grapes? or maybe you're just trying to reason a way to hide from cleaning your room, bucko

>>39626964
>The funny thing is, this is the average Jordan Peterson
Remember that time he went Super Jordan Peterson and defeated Postmodernist Freiza?

/r9k/ "intellectual" of any description has to be the funniest shit this board has produced, keep it coming please

>>39627000
He's not a liberal in the way that you might think. He's a classic British Liberal and closer to being a true centrist with some traditionalist principles than being far left or far right.

>>39625584

>psychologist who is concerned with personal development routinely makes statements referring back to other stages of development to reiterate his present point


What a fucking shocker LMAO

>>39626937
>lol kids are so sad these days

heheh
*jaw drops with inquisitive sarcastic eyebrow* i can't believe kids these days *lifts his jaw and phyiscally turns his face 90 degrees with his hands* hey kid, let me show you how philosophy is really done...

>>39626909

The point is that he's largely NOT saying what you'd find in a self help book. His lectures are often brutal, politically incorrect and completely lacking in tact in terms of considering individual feelings.

I didn't even know this guy was popular, I found him clicking around youtube. But whether or not he's popular or not doesn't mean anything. He is saying things that are brutal and valid, whether you have any understanding of postmodernism or are a completely uneducated fool. I disagree with quite a bit that he says also, I don't even feel I should be defending him, but the people on this board are so retarded/uneducated it's hard not to.

>>39627000
I suspect you may actually be a nazi and you call him "liberal" because he is not openly advocating genocide. Unless we are calling "liberal" "factual" in which case the phrase "reality has a liberal bias" rings true as usual.

>>39626897
>cult leader
>merely pointing out thousands of religions repeating the EXACT SAME axioms through symbolic representations
Jordan is just the one who points. You have to make the journey yourself. If you cannot recognize the deeper pattern then dont waste your time on the prof

>>39627115
I mean you're no different from the usual trolls that deflect and slither around the point with sarcasm because you are full of hot air. So yeah absolutely, "kids these days" is a fully appropriate comment.

Any time I have argued with people over Jordan Peterson's points they either deflect or grow so rigid in their speech because they know their useless philosophy degree taught them a bunch of terms they don't actually understand. As though cartesian mind-body dualism isn't something that a thinking person could come up with themselves. That's not even you. You're not even that. You're not anything.

>>39626909
>the exact same things humans have been expressing through art/religion for thousands of years all over the planet
Wew lad

>>39626291
do you know what you're talking about or are you just making assertions because you feel redpilled people agree with you?

>>39627119
>He is saying things that are brutal and valid
yeh, telling kids to clean their rooms sure is brutal

also justifying mythology and fantasy really rips you out of the conditioned response.

>>39627119
He is a fraud, all he does is spout half truths with physiological tricks to shock the audience and socially pressure them instead of just pointing out the information in an unbiased manner,

>>39627088

It's not even that. There are just these new morphs of humans that don't understand the difference between things that are valid and things that they want to be valid. This weird new proto-conservative movement is basically stating that citing references and speaking factually makes you "liberal." I really don't even understand. It wasn't like this twenty years ago. What the fuck happened to these people.

Lotta upsetty spaghettis in here, angry about a dude they don't have to pay attention to at all. Seems like some projection be happenin, what with the
>loljustmake100k
You think people that do make that money are as resentful and lazy as you guys? Delusional to the maximus faggotses.

>>39627119
>His lectures are often brutal, politically incorrect and completely lacking in tact in terms of considering individual feelings.
No, they're not. Everything he is saying is acceptable.
>you are depressed, here is what you should do and so and so forth and blah blah blah buy a house blah blah get a job blah blah get married blah blah get your life on track blah blah
There is nothing deep about it. I don't even know where the jungian aspect comes in except in his interpretations of stories.

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>>39625344

t. raised by a single mother.

>>39627196
And telling kids to clean their rooms is not valid? Mental and physical disorganization is one of the biggest problems for those with mental health issues. It's completely valid. That's why parents make kids clean their rooms instead of cleaning it themselves.

And using mythology and pop culture references is a bad thing...why? I wrote philosophical papers in college on Star Wars. It's literally because there is universal symbolism in those things that parallel religion.

Maybe you would understand what he's talking about better if you could pull your head out of your own ass and being a pseudointellectual.

>>39627211
I've heard people call him a fraud many times and I have no idea how he is a fraud. He's a fucking professor. If you're going to compare his personal thoughts on religion to the cult of Scientology you are just a fucking lunatic that's beyond help.

Also, we all use psychological manipulation, you are doing it right now. It's an inherent part of human interaction.

>>39627136
>Unless we are calling "liberal" "factual" in which case the phrase "reality has a liberal bias" rings true as usual.

He's a liberal (in the modern sense) because he's a professor. Professors inherently strive for unnecessary content and obfuscation since they require peer-review. Content fills up the syllabus which pays them with tenure.

That's why Jordan is vapid and self-referential as fuck after 3 lectures. He can only take you as far as a modern-liberal professor can...which is not very far.

>>39627300
the point is that its not brutal at all.

he's as normie as they get, my cult friend.

>>39627337
>Also, we all use psychological manipulation, you are doing it right now. It's an inherent part of human interaction.
It's not, that just sophistry in order to deny the obvious if you are trying to deliberately influence someone while claiming to be unbiased, that you are purely stating the facts and asking the audience to think for themselves while doing platitudes about how you remain purely objective then you are a fraud.

>>39627229
The majority of the leftists explode in hyperbole at anything he says. I would say he is an attractive choice for people to listen to because he is right-leaning and contrarian. I don't necessarily see how that's a bad thing. He's obviously not an American republican that's trying to scam people, he's just got conservative principles that most people probably believe in.

The ones that rage at him and call him a fraud are trying to justify the fact that he promotes ideas about personal responsibility that they can't handle. Those ideas certainly aren't all correct, but they have truth to them, and that's what they lose their shit over. It can't have anything to do with anything else because they could completely ignore this guy, but they choose to attack him because of what he represents to them. Notice how they refer to him as a "Father figure" even though that's just their interpretation. So ok, he's a father figure to you because that's what your father should have taught you. Stop projecting and get your shit together instead of raging at one of a million professors that you could rage at. I mean I don't particularly like algebra but I don't call the professor a fraud when I'm asked to find the square root of something.

>>39627229
>I don't even know where the jungian aspect comes in except in his interpretations of stories.

why are you trying to discuss this topic when you clearly have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about? i'm not even saying that to be patronizing or demeaning. im genuinely curious why. because jung has an insanely huge influence on peterson's work (his work could be seen to be an extension of jungs desu).

you don't have to find an answer that rebuttals my post here. but maybe you should try to figure out an answer for yourself

>>39627360
This literally makes no fucking sense. It's essentially the very word salad you appear to be accusing him of.

"He's a professor that automatically makes him liberal"

Do you even read your shit before you post?

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>>39625344
>learn to better yourself, guys
>Everything around you represents who you are, starting with your nasty ass room
>there's a beat inside you that will drag you down, conquer it

>LOLOL 60K A MONTH LOOK AT DIS DUDE
You're not being half the man that Jordan knows you can be.

>>39627402
Stating facts and then sharing your opinion on them doesn't seem to be anything fraudulent, it seems to be the most polite and appropriate way of sharing an opinion. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

He does talk in platitudes though, I will give you that. He also goes off on tangents too much, which is why I can only listen to him in certain moods.

>>39627013
>Peterson
>IQ of 130-140

You're not good at estimating IQ, you're lowballing. He himself has confirmed it was 150 though, so we can put all of those arguments aside. Obviously you're right though. Everyone claiming Peterson is a "pseudo-intellectual" are just asshurt contrarians or low IQ leftists. He taught at Harvard, has a PhD in Pysch from an elite university, teaches at UoT (which is a top ranked University in general and ranked number 2 in all Psychology programs in the world), published papers cited by thousands, is known across the world for his research and public activism...

If still, after all of that, Peterson is a "pseud" just what the fuck isn't pseud? It's obvious it's just a buzzword thrown around at people that are obviously smart, but you don't agree with.

>>39627472
150 on what test

>>39627470
Half the shit he spouts are half truths and you know it, second He uses physiology tricks and a lot of body language in order to influence the audience if you have to rely on peer pressure and other tricks in order to brainwash people while claiming the opposite you are a fraud.

>>39627502
I got 10/10 on my qt test

>>39627502
I don't know, here's the source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHZV8Juna40

>>39627472

I feel like a large majority of the people that dislike him have no idea what he's talking about. Probably roughly 2% of the population even knows what postmodernism is, and maybe 1/10th know enough to understand why he wants people to reject it.

That's why it's very curious to me when people insult him, but philosophy majors cannot even understand what he's talking about when I argue with them about it.

Postmodernism is a very complicated, multi-layered subject and therefore these dismissive comments about it are concerning because I suspect the ones who call this guy a fraud don't have a clue as to what he's talking about.

>>39627508
So being a good public speaker is brainwashing?

I really need some evidence of this, at this point you're just foaming at stuff every single human being on earth does.

>>39627407
He's a psychologist, not a mathmatician. Psychology has quite a big basis in ideology so obviously it's going to seem more suspicious when a psychologist is charging people money to here him speak, because it closely resembles the practice of a religious cult leader.
>>39627416
I don't see it. Jung never used the concepts of good and evil in his work, nor did he talk about self-help topics. He tried to develop an objective psychology. When is Jordan Peterson ever objective?

>>39627183
Whats there to know? You don't encourage a schizophrenics delusions, how is this different?
It has nothing to do with "redpill" crap. It has to do with trannies wanting others (myself included) to conform to their delusions.

>>39626700
This is retarded logic. Mental issues are not the same as physical problems. You can't use a physical solution to fix a mental issue.

>>39627621
He talks about Jung, which, like Freud is the basis of clinical psychology.

This is EXACTLY like saying "Euler's formula is brainwashing because it's theoretical." I don't know if you know this, but almost all upper division math is based around equational theories because, much like psychology, the rules break down and transform at the upper limits.

>>39627617
Stop trying to justify it with sophistry, he is not a good public speaker, from the choice of words to the way he projects his message, everything is crafted towards influencing rather than exposing the data in an unbiased manner, His work is not oriented towards exposing his point of view or explaining certain topics but influencing the audience and yet he claims the opposite. He is the definition of a fraud, You may have similar views so you think even if it's brainwashing is ok because is positive and will help x people and you are willing to defend this fraud based on that but anyone with a brain can tell this much so you should drop the act.

>>39627679
It's not the same because psychology is not tautoligcally established like math is. Psychology is one part anecdote and one part opinion.

>>39627469
>>learn to better yourself, guys
>>Everything around you represents who you are, starting with your nasty ass room
>>there's a beat inside you that will drag you down, conquer it

wow how deep, how profound
he's practically a glorified motivational speaker

>>39627688
You just keep asserting these things that aren't true. I have heard many of the most famous professors state that the purpose of public speaking and lectures is to inspire people and make them think. There is absolutely no reason that a professor of the arts cannot influence people. Even ones in the sciences do it. I have never had a professor that didn't act like him and try to enforce his opinion. They usually get to where they are by pushing through a bunch of lesser teachers, so of course they're going to have that level of fervor.

There is again absolutely no evidence that his behavior is any different from any other professor, especially considering most of his lectures aren't even classes but just stuff he does in his free time.

>>39627438
>o MG i'm too stupid how can you be SO stupid, LITERALLY shit retarded

this may be too high level for u.

The term "modern liberalism" is bigger than an idea. It's a product of how knowledge is accumulated, collected, verified and parroted out.

Colleges create modern liberals because they take breakthrough ideas and obfuscate them with unnecessary content to artificially extend their academic careers. Jordan is a product of that factory. Even though he is revealing "redpill" ideas, he's parroting them out like a modern liberal professor. He never gets to the root of the idea, but he will spend hours rambling ABOUT the idea.

>>39627733
Wow, when you put gas in a car it drives, and most people don't know how an engine works.

Protip: everything from biologically to rocket science is that simple. The only people who can't accept reductionist attitudes toward the arts and sciences are needlessly overcomplicating things (A great metaphor for all of the people on this board) I guess it's a form of mental compensation/compartmentalization. I'd love to see petersen do an analysis on some of you people.

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>>39627733
>he's practically a glorified motivational speaker

basically.

he has 10% content and 90% rambling about his self-authoring program

>>39627768

No I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. I have had college professors that had me only write one paper specifically on the subject, and I have had professors who have made me do 500-1,000 coursework lessons. It depends widely on the subject, curriculum, college and professor.

You're basically saying "Why doesn't the physics professor just explain why water is wet and then go home, I mean thats the root of it." I mean really think about what you're saying. It's so fucking dumb.

>>39627742
Just because other professor do it doesnt make it right, stop trying to justify this fraud based on irrelevant facts and bullshit like "x tell me lying to my audience and manipulating is part of public speaking so is ok". Because it's not, especially if you claim to not be doing it over and over again like this fraud does

>>39627822
>Why doesn't the physics professor just explain why water is wet and then go home, I mean thats the root of it."

that's not physics, you dumb cultie.

>>39627834
I think you might need to take a break from the internet. You're trying to single some guy out for something almost everyone in any position of power does. Fuck, I'm a teacher and I do it. You cannot contain control over a large room of people without enforcing your ideas. That doesn't mean they cannot disagree with you (They can and they will.) But the fact of the matter is teaching is a one-way process. I cannot teach someone without telling them exactly what I think. They can ask questions, but they must ultimately learn through the teacher, whether they agree or not.

Again you haven't done anything to state that Petersen is different from any other professor except that he is particularly influential, which tells me that "being really good at what you do makes you a fraud somehow."

>>39625921
Fuck off retard I'm not going to use made up pronouns just to please some mentally ill faggot

>>39626191
lold. i remember this pasta but i dont recall who the original one was about

>>39627857
http://w3.marietta.edu/~biol/biomes/water_physics.htm

I had no idea, water doesn't have physics. It must be magic.

>>39627663
well it may be important to know psychical and neurological details about the conditions before you just say it's a mental illness and nothing more. They have structural differences in their brains compared to their biological gender that make them similar to the gender they claim to be, compared to a straight male. So unless a schizophrenic's belief that the president is using their radio to talk to them actually makes the president talk to them through their radio you are making a false equation. Which is fine, I don't expect you to know what you're talking about really, but just so you know their brains are structured and behave differently, so it isn't really a delusion that they're saying they're women it's more that their development was fucked up and they experience life as if they were born into the wrong body. If it makes you feel better to say dick = man, I won't be able to change your mind, but there is a bit more nuance to what's going on than just a failure to grasp reality.

>>39627905
flylo I believe.

>>39627898
I think you are in no position to tell other what to do when you are willing to justify the hypocrisy in this manner regardless of your position or your beliefs especially if you are willing to defend such behavior using fallacies Claiming to be unbiased and asking the audience to think for themselves while you are clearly trying to influence them is fraudulent and frankly disgusting. Public speaking is about expressing your opinion or stating data in the most efficient and intellectually honest manner, as such this should be unbiased. While this fraud work is crafted towards influencing others and you know it.

>>39628045
Well being that I disagree with quite a bit of what he says and yet I still get called a cultist for liking his lectures, I'm gonna go ahead and say anyone insulting him is just a fucking dumbass. I'm not going to try to parse through your mental jumbles here because it's your own problem.

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>>39625697

Stop ceding linguistic ground to bloody cultural Marxists.

>>39628076
What mental jumbles, You are the retard using fallacies, did you really expect me to believe that claiming to be unbiased and asking the audience to think for themselves while you are clearly trying to influence them is ok because other professors do the same

>>39628131
Telling people to think for themselves and then sharing an opinion is not a fallacy. What fallacy is it? What fallacy could it be? An appeal to reason? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

>>39628156
Oh come on fuck off with technicalities, you know very well that from that he is not just "stating his opinion" from choice of words to peer pressure, body language to other physiological tricks the fucking fraud has crafted every speech with the pure intention of influencing rather than sharing his opinion.

>>39628156
And second saying that being and hypocritical fraud is ok because other people in position of power do it is A FALLACY

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>Psychologist
>Jew

People still shill and fall for this scam artists?

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>>39625344
He's great the first few lectures of his you listen to. Then he starts repeating himself and has nothing to offer really

>>39625344
clean up time!
original

>>39628333
ayy trips of troof

>>39625402
>he's a psychologist.
You just proved that he is a meme.

>>39628267

That's not a "technicality." There are types of fallacies for a reason. Otherwise you can just call anything you don't like a fallacy.

>>39627931
does that mean that transgender is a personality disorder?

>All the bitter detractors ITT

Face it. This dude is a top level researcher (look at his publication record) and professor (taught at fucking harvard) who by his own declaration works up to 100hrs a week, who is extremely well read and has a genius level verbal IQ as indicated by his incredible speaking abilities.

You can say what you want, but you definitely cannot call him a hack.

If you're someone who says that his lectures lack substance you clearly paid no attention at all and would rather indulge in self-pity than get a grip of your shitty life to make your time here worthwile.

You're a sad fucking bunch.

>>39629534

>My daddy's the bestest strongest richest daddy in the world!

>his incredible speaking abilities

...oh, you're shitposting.

>>39625344
Reading the comments on his videos is like watching a stampede of children trying to deep sea dive in a kitty pool. But he is mean to trannies and these people are fucking starving for someone with credentials to pat them on the back they will take whatever they can get.

>>39627931
You know what the weird thing is about the /pol/ party line? The medical establishment AGREES. "Gender dysphoria" is in fact a diagnoseable "mental illness". It just so happens that one of the treatments they recommend for this particular mental illness is hormone therapy.

If /pol/ wanted to thwart this, they'd pull some paleopagan hippie Jung shit, talk about how every man has an anima and you don't need to take 'mones just because you feel like a girl sometimes, and in that way, achieve THEIR goal of having people not be trans.

They don't, though, which is how you know they're a distraction. Whenever you see people exerting a great deal of effort in a way guaranteed to never get desirable results, know that the actual goal is different from the stated one.

>>39625344
Every Patreon intellectual/philosopher that right wing people like repeats the same shit it's pathetic. I wonder if liberals have similar kinds of Jews.

How are people supposed to believe "scholars" when they just do whatever will get them money ?

>>39629566
How high are you right now?
My point remains. He is no hack because there is a long, verifiable list of artifacts proving both his proficiency in his field and, yes, his exceptional handle on the English language.

You going
>hurr durr imblying
Does not make any of this less true. Is that the best you can do?

>>39629907
>Appeal to authority
I have an IQ of 155. You can't argue with me.

>>39627472
>He himself has confirmed it was 150 though
Most people will confirm IQ tests can't accurately measure an adults IQ over 140. IQ tests just aren't that accurate or good.

>Hypocrite: a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
>Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform
Does this hack say that you should do something and then he himself does the opposite?
Does this hack say that you should not do something and then he himself does it?

If you believe that this guy is not a hypocrite then you need to stop drinking the coolaid. I bet this faggot doesn't even make his own bed.

>>39628350
Holy shit that OP is pure gold.

>>39625819
If doing all these things made you a fascist then every alt lite fuckface would be a fascist. Also, fascism doesn't have racial theories.

>>39629907
>>39629907

Ok, so you're serious. How autistic of you.

>Face it. This dude is a top level researcher (look at his publication record) and professor (taught at fucking harvard)

Contributing to publications is meaningless, there are about a million publications on things that have no meaningful reality, think about the amount of academic literature on feminism and 'the wage gap'. More serious academics wouldn't spread themselves so thin. I'd also point out that even if he was a masterful academic, that doesn't mean what he says in general has any authority. He's an attention-seeker which should also raise suspicion. He was on the CBC spruiking his daughters' miraculous recovery through going gluten-free and made all sorts of silly arguments about diet, something which he seems to know nothing about.

>taught at fucking harvard)

This is meaningless too. You can watch lectures on the Yale and Harvard youtube pages where professors do things like a history professor ramble for hours on George Bush and advocate female penetrative sex of males (not even kidding).

>You can say what you want, but you definitely cannot call him a hack.

Why? I've listened to hundreds of lecture series and read widely, and he's literally just a rambler who got attention for being a bigot, and pol autists love and defend him for that. His position can't be defended, it's just 'hurrr cultural marxism'.

>If you're someone who says that his lectures lack substance you clearly paid no attention at all and would rather indulge in self-pity than get a grip of your shitty life to make your time here worthwile.

I've watched some of his lectures on Christianity, and it's obvious to me as it would be to most people who've actually read the Bible or know anything about Christian theology that he's absolutely clueless. It's not even just pretentious psycho-babble, it's misinformed pretentious psycho-babble.

>>39629534
>>39629907
>>39630066

Oh and I'll added a final point... many of his opinions right now are appeals to his supporters. They're opinions he's holding only for the sake of attention and money, and they're ugly opinions. This makes him an insincere person and a prostitute. He's no different to attention-seekers like Milo.

There are some real geniuses in the hard sciences and yet people worship hacks like Peterson. He has about 10 lessons he's used his entire life and he's been recycling them for fucking years.

>>39629833
Mm yes, the /pol/ party line. Casting aside the long history of trans /new/&/pol/ regulars, they're clearly all one person with a monomaniacal goal. But you want to know what's really dark? Their secret motives, those are just beyond the pale. I won't mention them here, but just know that they can't be trusted and they're everywhere, watching.

>>39630198
The presence of one guy on the Official My Little Pony Forum who thinks that My Little Pony actually sucks and is bad does not preclude the existence of a "My Little Pony Forum" party line

>>39630255
What is /r9k/'s "party line?"

>>39630350
depression, entropy

>>39630066
>publications are meaningless
>teaching a harvard is meaningless
While it is possible to be a sharlatan and do the above things, the likelyhood is a lot smaller than if he didn't have those credentials. Also I would argue, even though I'm in STEM, that clinical psychology is more scientifically rigorous than say the social sciences.

>said stupid shit about diet
I didn't know about this, but I'd say this is irrelevant as it was a one time occurrence.

>he's a bigot who holds indefensible positions
Okay, proofs, now. Furnish a single shred of evidence that he is in any way bigoted.

>his theory about cultural marxism is invalid
Ok, how? One can clearly see the parallels between a marxists division of society into oppressing capitalists and oppressed worker and what the extreme left is doing now.

>he knows nothing about the bible and his lectures on it are bullshit
I did read the bible and while his take on it is definitely unconventional, many of the ideas he is forwarding seem consistent within themselves and also the text

>he only holds opinions for attention
Wrong. He's been going on about his ideas since he was ingrad school, and his book was written more than ten years ago, which constitutes most of his philosophy. I don't think you can hold it against him that he goes with the memes if that's what his audience likes.

>>39630440
wow there are people on this website who are actually retarded

Also let me add that he definitely isn't coddling to /pol/ types as he has warned frequently about the dangers of collectivist ideologies and the horrors of national socialism.

>>39630472
>wow lol ur retarded
I don't expect you to be able to engage me on any of those points but at least you see the irony here?

>>39630652
lmao not even the guy your talking to i'm just a shitposter. dont even know who the fuck jordan peterson is

>>39630705
Shoo, dweller of the underworld!

>>39625584
>people should talk different things instead of things that are proven and factually correct
this is how retarded you are

>>39625921
Because nobody will bend their language and grammar for one mentally ill faggot who has 40% chance of killing himself anyway.