McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit

mcdonalds lids are pretty strong and the cups are a cup inside the cup

>>39495168
edgy tryhards will say
>coffees supposed to be hot you stupid cunt
but actually look into it though.

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>>39495168
McDonald's should've just settled. The coffee was super hot, the bottom of the cup dissolved, and it spilled on her lap.

Her lap was actually pretty fucked up too.

>>39495219
But it is thought.

>>39495240
mcdonalds coffee isnt hot enough to dissolve the bottom of the cup, maybe if it was super heated in a microwave

t.mccuck

The coffee was so hot it ended up giving her 3rd degree burns
All she wanted was for some help with the medical bills, she didn't even want to sue but what choice did she have?

Then they hired some excellent lawyers who made her out to be the cash grabbing lazy entitled cunt and everyone had a laugh

>>39495259
I'm not saying it's not. What I'm saying is I've seen lots of people have a driveby shitpost online or IRL about this and assuming she was being a cunt old lady and it wasn't a big deal. It was kind of a big deal.
t. oldfag

>>39495168
>Old ditzy cunt who should've died 20 years ago buys a coffee and is so fucking decrepit she can't help spilling it on herself

She deserved those 3rd degree burns, fuck old people

>>39495298
>Then they hired some excellent lawyers who made her out to be the cash grabbing lazy entitled cunt and everyone had a laugh
That's it. Was surprised at the time how well that flip worked and sad that it still lingers.

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>>39495298
>>39495219
>>39495240
>Socialists try to justify a money-grubbing grandma because it helps their "MUH EVIL CORPORATIONS" and "MUH HEALTH AND SAFETY" agenda

Get the fuck out of here.

>>39495347
Have you looked into the specifics of the case? The photos?

>>39495342
>>39495342

Its funny because I always just pictured some dumb old black lady spilling coffee on herself and getting butthurt.

>>39495240
The coffee was 190 degrees freedom units, that's not hot enough to dissolve a cup.

>>39495298
It gave her burns because she squeezed it between her legs like a dumb cunt. McDonald's also gives out plastic forks, should they be sued if some retard tries to handle them recklessly in a car and ends up stabbing himself?

>hold hot cup between legs while driving
>it spills
>she burns

This old cunt should have known better.

>>39495365
So what?

Coffee is hot, if you spill it on yourself it's your own fault. Useless old fucks who can't even hold a coffee should just kill themselves.

>>39495403
It's cool how media works.

>>39495425
I agree with you, but look into it m8. It's more complicated than that.

>>39495450

>I agree with you, but look into it m8. It's more complicated than that.

For the love of god it's not you old shit. She sued McDonalds because she couldn't pay the medical bills by herself, and was lucky enough to find good lawyers and judges.

The same thing happened plenty of times, went to court, without results.

>>39495450
Ok, I just did

>Liebeck placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap

Oh, too bad she didn't die from this. Fucking old people are cancer on society

>>39495478
>The same thing happened plenty of times, went to court, without results.
Oh I didn't know this exact scenario had played out before, with the exact woman and situation and circumstance and temperature of coffee and damage done. My bad.
>>39495494
That sure was looking into it, got me. Good job anon.

>>39495517
Point to the part where McDonald's should be at fault then faggot

>>39495517
>if you arrived at a different conclusion than me that means you didn't actually look
K

>>39495568
>greentext is easier than discussion
K

>>39495404
190 F you think coffee is supposed to be served that hot?
mcdonalds was proven to be over heating there coffee so patrons who ordered coffee couldnt drink it right away while they were at the store and then get a free refill of coffec
mcdonalds was jewing people from free coffee by making it impossible to drink at the store
the old got the same over heated 190 degree coffee and spilt it on herself
had mcdonalds not been overheating coffed to jew people out of free coffee the lady would not have has such terrible burns

>>39495616
>implying you've done any discussion other than "look into the case maaannn"

>>39495414
>while driving
She wasn't driving, she was just sitting in the car. She's still retarded, but misinformation like this gives the fag in this thread ammo to say "hurr it wasn't her fault you're just falling for McDonald's lies!"

>>39495414
the car wasn't moving and she was in the passenger seat

>>39495616
>provided no counter arguement only ad hominem
>>39495568
you won the internet arguement fag

>>39495632
McDonald's isn't require to give you free coffee. Why is not wanting to do that "jewing you"

Guess what, coffee is served just as hot or even hotter other places. Why is it their fault you're a clumsy dipshit and you spill it on yourself?

>>39495632
Had she not been retarded she wouldn't have gotten any burns.
And looking at the pictures she just let it absorb into her pants for a while, any temperature that could be considered hot would still have burned her, a down degrees Fahrenheit at that temperature wouldn't make that big a difference.

>Similarly, as of 2004, Starbucks sells coffee at 175-185 F (79-85 C), and the executive director of the Specialty Coffee Association of America reported that the standard serving temperature is 160-185 F (71-85 C).

Mmmm...

>>39495688
nigger mcdonalds has free refills its part of the good you buy
mcdonalds says yes we give your free refills but then purposely tries to keep you from getting said refills...sounds like jewy behavior to me

and while coffee is brew at the 190 temp, mcdonalds was trying to keep there coffee as hot as possible so the customer couldnt drink it and get a refill

>>39495800
That's not the reason they keep it hot you stupid fuck. If they didn't want people getting free refills why would they even offer it?

>>39495724
>because you know her actions ledingup to her spilling the coffee
and yes people in contact with almost boiling liquids let it seep into there pants, you should definitly try it and let meknow how it goes...the lady was fucking old and driving her car she couldnt exactly jump up and strip her pants

>>39495800
Was it winter when this happened? They probably kept the coffee hotter because it's cold outside you socialist faggot.

she got third degree burns on her crotch, the settlement is definitely deserved. working in personal injury i see much more insane shit like someone getting 50 grand for literally tripping over a curb

>>39495834
>If they didn't want people getting free refills why would they even offer it

ok my bad, didn't realize I was talking to a moron

>>39495876
>she got third degree burns on her crotch

Yeah, so? Severity of injury does not excuse the fact she was a dumbass. She's a old money grubbing grandma. I hope the last years of her life were miserable

>>39495834
you dont need to keep brewed coffee at 190 though

and nigger it sounds good to people if they say free refills it sounds like more of a deal, they didnt want people actually getting coffee refills cause it simply cost them more

look into it, the decision made sense. the whole "what a stupid bitch lmao" was msm putting bag over your eyes and stretching the facts.

>>39495907
Says the nigger with poor spelling and grammar

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hi im adam connover from adam ruines everything

>>39495846
idk what season it was and yeah they might keep coffee warmer in the winter....but still keeping sitting coffee at brew tempiture is literally unheard of

>>39495937
shut the fuck up faggot you already got btfo earlier. the stupid cunt got what she deserved. coffee is supposed to be hot.
>msm
fuck off to /Pol/ nazi

>>39495921
>you dont need to keep brewed coffee at 190 though

See>>39495745

It's reasonable

>>39495836
Those were the events she claimed, retard.
>the lady was fucking old and driving her car she couldnt exactly jump up and strip her pants
I can't believe you actually typed this out and thought it helped your point.
And learn how to type, you look like a middle schooler commenting on deviantart.

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>>39495494
>Fucking old people are cancer on society

>>39495425
There is NO reason the coffee should have been that hot.

>>39495914
>oh no mcdonalds lost a million dollary doos
coffee has to be pretty fucking hot to cause that amount of damage. that's not money grubbing thats just trying to get the medical bills paid off.

>>39495947
The problem with this smug asshole is that I want to disagree with him even when he's right.

>>39495974
They are. They consume a ton of healthcare resources and will never contribute anymore.

Just a huge drain on everyone's life

Why don't you just eat coffee beans raw? you fucking idiots.

>>39495980
Sure there is. It's so that it's still hot when you get to wherever you're going. Surely you don't go into the drive through to park somewhere and eat and drink? That's fucking weird.

>>39495986
>coffee has to be pretty fucking hot to cause that amount of damage

No it doesn't you faggot. She spilled it on her cotton sweatpants which stuck to her legs for a while

>>39495997
>raw
I like mine roasted you fucking idiot.

>>39495986
>coffee has to be pretty fucking hot to cause that amount of damage.
So you've never cooked a thing in your life, huh.

>>39496015
>Surely you don't go into the drive through to park somewhere and eat and drink? That's fucking weird.
Make a thread asking if anyone on /r9k/ does that. I'll wait.

>>39496018
Spoiled brat! You're supposed to eat it raw! Anything else takes away the caffeine!

>>39495972
>I can't believe you actually typed this out and thought it helped your point.
And learn how to type, you look like a middle schooler commenting on deviantart.
there was no rebuttle in any of that, only ad hominems which are logical fallacys
and yes because i care about how i type on fucking 4chan

>>39496037
He's probably some nigger that eats crackers and cheese and can't even afford a microwave

>>39496039
I know people do that, I was condescending to you by claiming you're an autist for doing so. And you're even more of one for not getting it.

>>39496037
ive spilled coffee on my hand without needing a skin graft

Her son was driving, she spilled it and she got 3 degree burns, Fucking Mcdonalds was responsible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWh6Kw3ejQ

>>39496076
It has to be on your skin for 3-7 seconds.

Do you even know anything about this case or did you decide to jump and start commenting?

>>39496059
>to you
But anon I'm not the person you replied to. I thought you were being that new, sorry.
>even more of one
I am a legit autist so ok.

>>39496052
>only ad hominems which are logical fallacys
Real talk, post a form of some id that proves that you're over 18. You clearly don't understand the subtleties of conversation, and are just repeating the words ad hominem because you think someone insulting you means they couldn't put any other argument there.
tl;dr >>>/pol/

I once cut myself on a cooking knife. It nearly went through the bone.

Fucking knives shouldn't be that sharp

>>39496095
>Do you even know anything about this case or did you decide to jump and start commenting?
Have you read the rest of this thread?

>>39495168
What's the reason behind going to McDonald's for coffee when you're that old? She should have just taken the time to make her own. I blame her.

Also, McDonald's coffee is notoriously hot, so holding it over your legs instead of setting it down in a cup holder is dumb as fuck.
>TL;DR McDonald's should give her some money to shut up

>>39496115
Was it your knife? Are you responsible for sharpening it?

>>39496115
I know what you mean man. One time I was cutting a piece of paper, and then I haphazardly put my face really close to the paper to make sure my cuts were clean and I cut my eye! Fucking scissor company fatcats, they made the scissors so sharp so that I wouldn't refill my scissors.

>>39495632
I worked at Dunkin' Donuts and the coffee makers there had to be calibrated to 192F every morning. That's the standard temperature of coffee.

>>39495632
>you think coffee is supposed to be served that hot?
It is, idiot.

>>39495966
im a different guy, asshole. their coffee was far too hot and was giving people third degree burns.

>>39496152
Who cares? I was cutting up chicken while taking a shower.

Someone other than me needs to be held responsible

>>39496108
>your not 18 hur dur YOU need to prove to ME that you are 18
ok m8 lemmer just go grab my licence and post it on 4chan
and motherfucker you still havent provided a refutation to my argument your just mad you couldnt pull some counter arguement out of your ass so now your saying "no you just dont understand the subtleties of conversation
>Mcfucking killyourself

>>39496182
All coffee is served that hot you retard

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>>39495168

She's Jewish, that actually makes a lot of sense now.

>>39496158
>>39496181
niggers thats brewing tempiture

>>39496134
>its her fault that mcdonalds was setting people up for a medical disaster

>>39496205
If you're over 18, than you're probably a nigger.

Man, you can't type for shit. I can't even read the stuff your write without having to slow down to decipher what your brain is trying to say

>>39495298

They sued for just the medical bills. The jury ended up awarding her the million dollars she didn't even ask for. Good job listening to the (((media))).

>>39495876
If you trip over a curb you can hit your head and die
I think that it's more likely that you'll be tripping over curbs while texting and walking rather than it being someone else's fault for not painting it orange

>>39496052
>>39496205
>>39496182
You know, you shouldn't have to "care how you type" to not look like a retard. It'd take me longer to type like a braindead monkey like you because I'd have to purposefully put in mistakes. I have a hard time believing you've graduated high school, since typing up papers there should've made not being retarded a habit.

>>39496226
Nope, they proved that the coffee was being brewed at over twice the typical temperature of other chain restaurants and showed evidence that additional brewing temperature has no effect on taste.

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>>39495996
>what is the generation contract
>what is solidarity to one's parents
keep it, adultlet

>>39496237
my skin says otherwise along with my blonde hair and blue eyes, but great assumption
and yes i care so much about how i type on 4chan
and just cause i know you hate it ill say it again
>great ad hominem

>>39496259
That will show him, anon!

>>39496283
>ad hominem
I know this is srs bzns to you, since there's no way you've got anything going on in your life, but you've typed nothing significant, at least, nothing that is both significant and decipherable. Nobody has to make an argument against you, you've made none of your own. We're all just going to keep calling you retarded, because that is funner for us.
Idiot.

>>39496259
im double majoring in accounting and finance at a private uni but then again everything post here is satire
im sorry you cant fix meaningless spelling and grammer mistake in your head
>>39496268
you got sources on that m8

>>39496321
>funner
k

>>39496226
Okay, and given how busy McDonalds are in the morning it probably went from the brewer into a cup within 10 seconds of the pot being filled. I'd often switch out an empty pot for the half full one while it was still brewing so I could get coffee to my customers that much faster. It's really, really not unnormal for coffee to be 190 degrees in the customer's hand. That old lady was a dumbass for spilling coffee on herself and then letting it soak in long enough to need skin grafts.

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>>39496324
>double majoring in accounting and finance at a private uni
pfffffffffffffffft

>>39496355
>but then again everything post here is satire

>>39496268
Over twice? fucking what? How do you brew coffee at 280 degrees? They pump steam directly into the coffee grounds under massive pressure so it will condense?

>>39495996
>WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE I GAVE THE EMPLOYER A FIRM HANDSHAKE AND I BOUGHT A MEGAMANSION WITH A FACTORY JOB

>>39496321
>youve said nothing worth replying to or argue against even though ive been replying to you this whole thread hur dur what a retard
ok m8
>>39496336
>becuase you know what happened that morning at that exact moment in that exact mcdonaldds

>>39496379
>280
I meant to type 380 degrees

>>39496379
>
coffe burns once the water boils so the faggot who said double is wrong

>>39496336
>That old lady was a dumbass for spilling coffee on herself and then letting it soak in long enough to need skin grafts.
do you people honestly think that an old lady spilled hot as hell coffee on herself and thought "I should let this soak in so I can maximize my personal injury bux"? she went into shock from how hot the fucking coffee was

>>39496398
>youve said nothing worth replying to or argue against
Hey now, I didn't say you said nothing that wasn't worth calling you a retard over. Retard.
And your whole "argument" is "YOU DUN KNOW" even though nothing the people who would know have said contradicts the things that have been said in this thread, and somethings they've said even confirm it.

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>>39496438
>she went into shock

>>39496453
every reply you havent called me a retard so there was obviosly another reason to reply other then calling me a retard
>your whole arguement
if r9k had ids you could verify my arguement amonst my posts without assuming which posts are mine and which arent

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>>39496521
Okay. Tell me your argument right now. Find a way to dismiss the theories of what happened, while giving your own that you feel is more probable. Once you grow up you'll realize that just "nuh-uh" without any facts to counter it means nothing.
Retard.

>>39496469
instinct would definitely kick in if you spilt boiling liquids all over yourself and you wouldn't be rubbing your hands together plotting how you can take mcdonalds for big while the coffee is burning a hole through your crotch

I like how everyone on this board is always right

>>39496565
i argue that mcdonalds was in the wrong
and yes let me spend my next week dismissing ALL of the theories while giving my own opinion
"once you grow up" oh look an ad hominem, motherfucker i could be older then you for all you know without making assumptions
>retard
good gotta make up for all those post you didnt call me a retard right?

>>39496602
no, everyone just thinks there not wrong

>>39496571
>plotting how you can take mcdonalds for big while the coffee is burning a hole through your crotch
I don't think a single person said she let it happen on purpose, just that she's a retard who put hot coffee in her crotch while in a car and was too retarded to get out before it started to really burn.
She wasn't in shock, she's just that dumb all the time.

>>39496625
So what you're saying is that you don't have an argument that hasn't been blown the fuck out already.
>ad hominem
Okay little guy.

Keep in mind this woman was formerly once a roastie.

Roastie never grow out of it. She deserves it

>>39496625
>no, everyone just thinks there not wrong
Maybe that's a better way to say it. It just seems like there is too much absolutism, superiority checks, and dismissal and not enough actual question asking. I shouldn't think it about it as much probably.

>>39496679
if there was ids you could check my previous posts which "hadnt been blown the fuck out" cause you were not providing counter arguements to my claim
>inb4 there was nothing to argue against
>okay little guy
oh geez i gotta watch out for this bigger guy on the internet i hope hes not the hacker 4chan

>>39495168
McDonald's shouldn't have made their coffee so hot. I don't even know how it could have gotten that hot, do normal coffee makers even do that? I'd imagine someone microwaved it too long or something

>>39496771
careful, i heard that guy doesnt forget OR forgive

>>39496771
>I-I totally have a not retarded argument guys, I can't be bothered to find it, b-but I swear it's really good and you're wrong!
Okay little guy.

>>39496771
Calm down Iittle guy

>>39496813
buddy its just you and me throwing shit at each other back and forth keeping this thread alive and obviously neither once of us is going to give

so while i disagree with you on the most basic terms of this thread i say thanks for the arguement and i hope you have something better around next time
>GG

>>39496877
So what you're saying is
you got
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
And are trying to pretend you didn't with a "well I don't care anyway"

>>39496916
Like playing chess with a pigeon
if thats how you feel m8 i have nothing to prove i feel as though i provided a sounds arguement and you feel as though you did as well even though the second part of this thread had nothing to do with what OP post and it was just us shitting on each other
>but im glad you feel you won
> inb4 pretending like you dont care...no its just talking to you is like talking to a brick wall with the words "i win" spray painted on it

>>39497002
see
>>39496916 again, brainlet.

>>39497002
>>39497101
will you guys exchange discord or kik or whatever and just compare dicks already

>>39497258
>look at me guys, I hate confrontation how dare you do anything but try to fuck each other
Fuck off, pussy.

>>39495347
I don't give a poo about mcfuckers
I mean they server disgusting fatty food and its basically degenerate shit so fuck it

Anyone who's pro McDonald's has been tricked by corporate propaganda.

>>39497291
Or it could be that my opinion is that one of the anons would be satisfied by confirming he does have a bigger penis

>>39497291
actually he is more like a third bystander who confronted you first

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The McDonald's coffee lawsuit was only maybe $2.5 million. They recently settled a $27 million lawsuit in Texas when some kids were beaten to death inside a restaurant and they didn't provide adequate security. You didn't read about this nationally because all the attackers were black.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/restaurants/2017/05/05/mcdonalds-settles-families-won-27-million-jury-verdict-fatal-texas-parking-lot-brawl
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/08/beaten_to_death_at_mcdonalds.html

>>39497620
>comes across a large group of teenage males loitering
>midnight
>enters the McDonalds anyway

no sympathy desu, natural selection at work

The coffee nor cup were at fault. It's a 79 year old lady stroking out and spilling coffee on her lap to fuse her roastie to her thighs. If it was one of us it would've been pushed under the rug because no one cares if a fat virgin becomes a eunuch by coffee. The legal reason why she won the case is because if you're a company of that size selling a service to literally fucking everyone in the county, you have to account for the senile roasties and down syndrome retards too. 10% of the american population has an IQ under 83. That 10% are also insanely more likely to regularly eat mcdonalds. That 10% DEFINITELY doesn't know that a liquid at 190F can melt your cock into a cunt in 10 seconds. McDonalds, being the provider of the service, is legally responsible to inform those people that it can happen, because all they know is "coffee hot me danger it hurt little if spill". Same applies for old roasties like her and the rest of you burgers.

The coffee is the exact same now too. Go get one and melt yourself into becoming a trap. The only reason you'd lose a lawsuit now is because they cover themselves by telling you on the cup that it is hot.

Ethically, McDonald's was at fault. Unless you're a really shitty selfish person, you will agree that a large part of America needs in-your-face warnings on dumb shit like this for their own safety.

>>39498218
>Unless you're a really shitty selfish person
Let me be the first to properly welcome you to the board.

>>39497620

>they only went inside the mcdonalds in the first place to take a piss

Of all the fucking places to piss, you're gonna choose the mcdonalds where LITERALLY 400 NIGGERS are shirtless and chimpin out infront of it

What the fuck is this?

And yes this is an original comment post whatever.

>>39495240
dat burned up original ass

>>39496015
dude that shit was hot enough to burn to the bone, mcdonalds literally paid the media to jew you into believing it was a money grubbing grandma so they could cover their asses.

>>39499002
Anon, the woman's lawyers claimed in court that it took 15 (15) seconds of that temperature for it to be a third degree burn. Yeah it's hot, but she somehow failed to cool down after 15 entire seconds. The whole claim was that they should cool it down to another temperature that would've taken 20 seconds. I'm pretty sure the difference in that whole 5 seconds or 1/3 of the time she somehow managed to keep being burned would not have been large.
I'm not saying that she's money grubbing, I'm saying she's fucking stupid, and I hope she got banned from all McDonald's for this instance because she's clearly too retarded to be trusted with the responsibility of not hurting herself.

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>C-coffee is supposed to be served that h-hot

Fuck off corporate bootlickers

>>39499167
>I have to trust corporations with my safety because I can't be responsible for my own
Fuck off corporate bootlicker

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>>39499190
>Implying corporations shouldn't be held to ethical and moral standards

>>39495168

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9DXSCpcz9E

>>39495168
>People unironically defend Mcdonalds, the poster child of corporate greed
/pol/ went too far

>>39499529
So what you're saying is
that regardless of the actual circumstances of the case
you're going to go against mcdonald's because muh fuck the 1 percent
Really activating my almonds

>>39499333
>implying serving drinks how your customers want it is unethical

>>39495168
Coffee is hot so you're supposed to be careful with it, but McDonalds is a rich corporation so who cares if they have to pay a bunch of money? The jury has a right to do whatever it feels like.

>>39495168
I couldn't give less of a fuck, burger.

>>39497973
>teenage males
Even worse, feral niggers.

>>39499139

12-15 seconds WHEN IT HAS BEEN ABSORBED INTO COTTON MATERIAL LIKE THE CLOTHES SHE WAS WEARING

How fucking fast can you undo your belt/button/zipper and take your pants off, right after spilling a liquid in your crotch so hot that it fuses your labia to your leg? Shit you're fuckin retarded man

>>39500172
So what you're saying is
It's McDonald's fault that she makes more fashion choices?

>>39500479
>more
I meant poor

>>39500172
If I recall correctly it was sweatpants. The old bag was probably too embarrassed to take it off.

>>39499671
Wealthy corporations >>>> retards who sponge money whenever possible

Even if you were adopting a "screw the rich people" tactic the wagecucks/consumer will basically take the most of it anyway

>>39500172
>cotton material
>belt/button/zipper

>>39500669

You're not helping my depression by having to explain to you that jeans/denim are made of cotton

>>39500746
No, but maybe I'm helping your autism by explaining to you that in this context you would not go so specific. If she was wearing jeans it would say denim, not cotton. Might as well just say she was wearing plant material.

>>39500790
>specific
General, rather.

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>spill hot drink
>blame corporations
>i did not consent to this temperature change!

>>39495168
It is the definition of frivolous.

>Oh this coffee is hot
>Why did it burn me

>>39500899
Because it was 190 degrees, which is way hotter than coffee needs to be. She got third degree burns from fucking coffee.

>>39495338

This. Old people drive me crazy.

T. Service industry anon

>>39500915
I like how you just keep ignoring all the replies that blow you out to reply to new people entering the thread hoping they don't just read the rest.

>>39500915
an old bitch like her should know better than to put skulking hot liquid on top of her cunt.

>>39500915
190 degrees is standard

>>39495168
McDonalds sold coffee that was unreasonably hot. They were told that the temperature of the coffee was too hot and was at risk of seriously injuring patrons if it spilled. They were told they had to lower the temperature. McDonalds failed to do this and an accident occurred giving a woman third degree burns. McDonalds was rightfully sued and was forced to pay millions in punitive damages. Punitive damages exist as a way to "punish" the offender and encourage them not to repeat the offence. Since warnings did not work the millions of dollars in awards did. They changed the temperature of the coffee served to prevent future accidents.

The case made perfect sense and anyone who says it didn't is an idiot.

>>39495240
The bottom of the cup didn't dissolve you retard. She just dropped a cup full of freshly made coffee on her lap like a retard and claimed it was mc Donald's fault because they made hot coffee.

AS THOUGH THE SAME THING WPULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITH ANY OTHER CUP OF FRESHLY MADE COFFEE.

How do you make coffee? In a kettle! Coffee is always nearly boiling when you freshly make it.
Does anyone make coffee with Luke-warm water!?? NO . YOU MAKE COFFEE WITH WATER THAT HAS BEEN BOILED IN A KETTLE. That is how coffee is made.

This woman is a parasite . Everyone knows that coffee is made with nearly boiling water.
If you decide not to hold your cup of coffee carefully because you assume for some reason that freshly made coffee won't be very hot then you are a moron.

>>39500790

> If she was wearing jeans it would say denim, not cotton.

That's what you would say. Because you didn't know denim=cotton. The guy analyzing how long it takes a hot liquid to cause 3rd degree burns when soaked in a material are going to say the material - cotton

>>39500915
any coffee addict knows the risk of 3rd degree burns is worth a tasty cup of joe.

>>39495240
Coffee temperature cant go above the boiling point of water, since that is what coffee primarily consists of, it could be no more than 100c / 212f and cooling by the time she recieved it and I dont think boiling water is enough to melt a cup designed to hold hot liquid.

>>39495980
>waaahh wahhh what do you mean coffee is made with water that is near boiling temperature ?
>I always make coffee with lukewarm water that I'd be happy taking a bath in
>this is totally normal. I'm not being a dipshit who doesn't realise that you make coffee with water boiled in a kettle.

>>39500915

McDonald's shouldn't be held liable for what their consumers do with their products


T. Work with firearms

>>39501003
>The guy analyzing how long it takes a hot liquid to cause 3rd degree burns when soaked in a material are going to say the material - cotton
Holy shit you're retarded, and obvious have never worked in anything resembling a lab environment if you think that's what would happen.
>hey science man have you determined whether sweatpants can withstand more heat than jeans
>oh yeah, the cotton is more prone to heat than the cotton
And she was wearing sweatpants, so you're both objectively wrong and autistic.

>>39500997
Everyone pay attention to this anon, he knows what he's talking about.

>>39500997
>They changed the temperature of the coffee served to prevent future accidents.
I know for a fact that that's wrong, and most of the rest of your paragraph is pretty doubtful too. So [citation needed]

>>39495219
holy shit anon! Never recommend that shit.
SHE BURNED OFF HER VAG!

>>39495980
Yeah, I guess you know more about coffee than every single place in America that serves coffee and the many associations devoted to coffee about what temperature coffee should be kept at.

>>39501133
>I know for a fact that that's wrong
Given that McDonalds does not release temperature standards to the public all there is left is anecdotes. Anecdotes report the temperature being lowered. It's not definitive proof and no definitive proof will be obtained with an act of corporate espionage or whistleblowing.

>most of the rest of your paragraph is pretty doubtful too
You need to tell me what is doubtful. I can't read your mind.

>>39501209
without* an act of corporate espionage or whistleblowing

>>39501209
>Given that McDonalds does not release temperature standards to the public all there is left is anecdotes. Anecdotes report the temperature being lowered.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants#Coffee_temperature
https://web.archive.org/web/20090515122340/http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_huntingdon/displayarticle.asp?id=180135
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-09-16/business/fi-39457_1_hot-coffee
And it's hardly corporate espionage, I'm sure there are a few people who worked at McDonald's in this thread who could tell you how wrong you are.

>>39500997
>anyone who disagrees is an idiot
that's not an argument nor does it make you right
common sense tells us you shouldn't dump hot liquids on our most sensitive areas.
this dumb cunt put a fresh cup of what she knew was blazing hot, coffee between her saggy thighs and dumped the contents like a toddler.
when you can't be trusted to drink coffee by yourself, its time to be admitted to Goose Creek.

>>39500997
>McDonalds sold coffee that was unreasonably hot
This is obviously wrong. coffee is made with near-boiling water you mong.
everyone who drinks coffee and doesn't have brain damage realises this.

If you're going to order something that you know is made with very hot water then the onus is obviously on you to be careful with it and not do things that obviously risk spilling hot water on yourself like resting it between your legs.

This is like if you ordered a lasagna at a restaurant and the waiter brought it to you and you decided to rest the train on your lap and you ended up spilling it and said "hey, why is this thing cooked at 200degrees C in an oven so hot?! I spilt this freshly made lasagna on my self and now I'm burnt. This is not my fault , this is your fault!"
Or if that scenario is too outlandish for you, imagine the same person with a fresh lasagna getting a big forkful and sticking it straight in his dumb mouth and trying to sue because he didn't realise that freshly made food cooked in an oven would be hot.

It would be retarded and be entirely his fault.
McDonald's is at 0 fault or moral blame for serving a beverage that by necessity is made with near-boiling water as it is made.

>>39501202
It should be kept at a temperature that won't fucking kill you.

>>39501264
Do you even drink coffee?
What part of "it tastes best that way" don't you understand?
Should McDonald's just make the world's shittiest coffee in case retards like you spill it on yourselves so that people go somewhere else to buy better coffee at the same price?

>>39501264
>won't fucking kill you
that's a straw man, you just lost the argument

>>39501176
What a stupid cunt right? Gas old people.

>>39501320
The lady almost died from her burns. All she wanted was help with her medical bills.

>>39501258
what kind of a fat ass do you have to be to eat somewhere with lasagne trains

>>39501294
They should make coffee that won't fucking kill you.

>>39501245
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants#Coffee_temperature
Admits that the coffee temperature may or may not have changed but can't make a conclusion because information isn't available. It also reports on the anecdotes.

>https://web.archive.org/web/20090515122340/http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_huntingdon/displayarticle.asp?id=180135
Temperature was lower.

>http://articles.latimes.com/1994-09-16/business/fi-39457_1_hot-coffee
Temperatures are drastically lower.

What were you attempting to prove here?

>I'm sure there are a few people who worked at McDonald's in this thread who could tell you how wrong you are.
If you can't trust them to make your burger properly or include your sauce how can you expect them to know the temperature of coffee? Are you retarded?

>>39501257
>that's not an argument nor does it make you right
Of course not. Everything else I wrote makes me right.

>common sense tells us you shouldn't dump hot liquids on our most sensitive areas.
And she didn't do that.

>this dumb cunt put a fresh cup of what she knew was blazing hot
It's not unreasonable to expect people to do this. As such McDonalds is liable for any potential damage, as evidenced by the lawsuit.

>>39501258
>This is obviously wrong. coffee is made with near-boiling water you mong.
So? What is your point here? There is a reason why you have to sign a release waiver when participating in dangerous activities like indoor rockclimbing, sky diving or bungee jumping. People have a reasonable expectation of safety when interacting with businesses. She was found 20% responsible for the injury. She wasn't blameless but neither is McDonalds.

>McDonald's is at 0 fault
Smarter, more informed people, have made the decision that you're wrong anon. If you don't know anything about torts then you really shouldn't be offering an opinion tbqh

>>39501400
>Temperature was lower.
By 5 whole degrees fahrenheit, a pretty reasonable change that could be from many things besides brewing temperature.
>Temperatures are drastically lower.
I hope you're not talking about the 170 degrees, because that was for a home coffee maker you illiterate. It says they still keep it at 180-190 degrees.
Maybe you shouldn't pretend to go through sources without memetexting something in them to prove your point.

>>39501476
>Temperature Chain Location (degrees) Starbucks Arcadia 176 Burger King Downtown Los Angeles 182 McDonald's Downtown Los Angeles 170 Primo's Downtown Los Angeles 157 Pasqua Downtown Los Angeles 168 Winchell's Pasadena 166
>McDonald's Downtown Los Angeles 170
You're wrong anon. And it's okay to be wrong. Why are you so angry about it?

>>39501388
The coffee won't kill you, if you use it properly. And it definitely won't kill you if they lower the temperature, because then no one who drinks coffee would buy it.
This is way worse than "get a life, bin that knife" retardation.

>>39495947
I don't care what his opinion on the matter is. I still want to throw scalding McDonald's coffee in his stupid face.

>>39501520
It's all I have left in this world faggot.

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>>39497973
>getting beaten to death for literally no reason doesn't warrant sympathy or understanding
>it's their fault they tried to use the restroom

And /r9k/ wonders why they're perpetually lonesome failures. It's because you're terrible people.

>>39501400
>Smarter, more informed people, have made the decision that you're wrong anon

Wow you showed me with your non-argument, lack of refutation and flimsy appeal to authority .

I already showed you with the more direct analogy of eating hot food that people who are not retarded are reasonably expected not to be so stupid as pour or risk pouring hot, freshly made food on themselves.
This is the case when you order something like lasagna at a restaurant and was previously with coffee and other beverages made with near-boiling water in Ameeuca and is still in every other country occupied by mentally normal people in the world , the case only changed in Anerica when one old cunt was mentally incompetent enough to order a drink that adults are expected to know is made with near-boiling water (the same way adults are expected to know not to pour freshly made lasagna on their laps ) and think it was a good idea to balance it on her lap or between her legs in a car.

This is stupid as explained and the only thing you have to say is "hurr well other people don't think so", on the contrary, other people do think so, since in Every other country that case would be thrown out and likely same too with many different judges and districts in America if they had received that case instead.

>>39501069

>"Prone to heat"

LMAO. What's the difference in thermal conductivity between denim (aka cotton) and a general "cotton" material like sweatpants? Hint: The range presented in the trial is 12-15 seconds you dumbfuck (double hint: because they tested multiple versions of COTTON pants such as sweatpants, leggings, jeans)

Holy fuck you are dumb and literally do not know what you're talking about yet decided to join the "denim isn't cotton" level of retardation I was replying to in the first place

>>39501659
>lack of refutation
There is nothing to refute because the case has been settled. This isn't an open topic where your opinion actually matters. I explained why the case went the way it did and that's that.

>flimsy appeal to authority
>What do you mean the Earth isn't flat?!?!
>Science has shown it to be a spherical globe
>Stop appealing to authority!
Uh-huh.

>I already showed you with the more direct analogy of eating hot food
Your analogy is poor because food doesn't soak into clothing and cause third degree burns.

>since in Every other country that case would be thrown out
You're wrong. You need to learn more about torts.

>>39501689
>denim isn't cotton
Okay, so you're illiterate, got it.

>>39501712
>food doesn't soak into clothing
The example was lasagna.

>>39501727
>lasagna soaks into clothing
Have you ever eaten lasagna?

>>39501400
>Smarter,
Nice argument from authority, that doesn't hold water in debate

>more informed people
how do you know he isn't completely informed? most if not all of the details presented in the case are available online

>There is a reason why you have to sign a release waiver...
completely pointless rebuttal, this has nothing to do with dangerous activities. Rebut his point concerning the brewing temperature of coffee. Correctly done, coffee is supposed to be brewed at up to 205 degrees F
>http://www.thekitchn.com/do-you-need-to-worry-about-water-temperature-when-brewing-coffee-smart-coffee-regular-joes-216229

People have a reasonable expectation of safety when interacting with businesses.
>they also have the responsibility of not endangering themselves when presented with potentially harmful situations. Do I touch the fajita skillet on the handle when it's served to me at Chili's? No, I have the forethought to avoid the possibly harmful situation.

>I know what the definition of a tort is so I can reasonably rebut this guys argument without a substantial contention.

>>39495168
Everyone is going to completely avoid the fact the old woman ADMITTED to spilling it 9n herself and DIDNT want to sue, she just wanted enough to cover her medical bills but MCDs took the offer away because it was too late to accept it despite her being in critical condition for over 6 months.

Definitely was not a money grubber because she didnt want to sue.

>>39501738
I have, many times. Have you?

>>39501712
>There is nothing to refute because the case has been settled
>Uh-huh.
>muh intricate details of court proceedings
>muh definition of a tort

You are dense as fuck ma boy.

>>39501400

>It's not unreasonable to expect people to do this. As such McDonalds is liable for any potential damage, as evidenced by the lawsuit.

It's reasonable to expect THE MAJORITY of people to not do this. Which is why it doesn't happen to fucking everyone. McDonalds isn't liable because the parkisons'd out 80 year old woman spilled it on her vag. Being the massive store they are, they're simply responsible for pointing out to the dumbfucks that hey, you can't poor coffee on your cunny so don't act like it's only warm water.

You guys realize this is everywhere around you, right? Cups saying "HOT!". Signs on generators saying "DANGER!" Large "companies" (the government) are already responsible for helping out the grossly unintelligent people in society. When you're as big as McDonalds, you have to play that role as well. They aren't at fault. It's their duty. That's why they lost.

>>39496653
Have you ever interacted with an old person? Someone who is mobility impaired might actually be incapable of reacting quickly enough to remove her pants or whatever before the burns get severe.

I have no opinion on the case itself so far but calling her an idiot is unnecessary. People of all intelligences spill coffee every now and then. It's not like she didn't know her burns were getting more severe with time. She probably just couldn't do anything about it.

>>39501812
The cups say Hot because of this case

>>39501761
>Nice argument from authority, that doesn't hold water in debate
This isn't a debate though. The debate has already been settled and involved people more informed than you.

>how do you know he isn't completely informed?
Knowing the details of the case doesn't mean you're informed about law. Clearly he is not.

>Correctly done, coffee is supposed to be brewed at up to 205 degrees F
What temperature coffee is "supposed" to be brewed at is wholly irrelevant. If you want coffee how it is "supposed" to be brewed you brew it at home or go to a coffee shop.

>they also have the responsibility of not endangering themselves when presented with potentially harmful situations
Right. And she was found 20% responsible for her actions.

>I know what the definition of a tort is so I can reasonably rebut this guys argument without a substantial contention.
I went to law school. It goes beyond simply knowing what a tort is.

>>39501794
Yes. But when you find a lasagna capable of soaking into cotton and causing third degree burns over a significant portion of your body be sure to tell me so I can avoid that shitty lasagna.

>>39501796
>You are dense as fuck ma boy.
>lol if u dnt agrey wit me ur dum

>>39501812
>It's reasonable to expect THE MAJORITY of people to not do this.
You're missing the point because, again, you know nothing about torts. Imagine you have a cliff-side outlook frequented by people and advertised as an attraction with water beneath it and you know there are rocks beneath the water. You know that the majority won't dive in but you know SOME will. There is still a reasonable expectation that someone may be hurt in doing so. Thus you have a duty to erect warnings or prevent people, as far as is reasonable, from diving into the water.

>They aren't at fault. It's their duty
They are at fault and it was their duty to warn. The warning on the cup was deemed to be insufficient.

>>39501864

That's my point. The case made it clear that McDonalds is large enough to be responsible for the safety of dumbasses and senile people when providing their services of shit as simple as buying coffee

>>39495168
Oh, look, another incompetent woman who can't take responsibility for their idiotic actions, so they blame men and sue. What the fuck is their problem?

>>39501889

At this point you're fully defensive and closed to discussion, because you read the first sentence of my post (>>39501812) and immediately decided to disagree with me. Even though we have the exact same viewpoint

>>39501889
>The debate has already been settled and involved people more informed than you.

You really ARE fucking stupid aren't you? Just because a court settles on a case that doesn't mean that the argument is over you retarded mongoloid, it means the court has decided on a verdict, which has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on the conclusion of an argument. Was OJ innocent because he was acquitted? No?

>"supposed" to be brewed at is wholly irrelevant
THAT IS HOW YOU MAKE COFFEE, IT IS THE MOST RELEVANT POINT HERE

>I went to law school.
You mean you studied criminology at community college? Or you studied to be a paralegal at DeVry? I should totally become a lawyer if I have to go up against boneheads like you who can't even understand a fucking logical fallacy. I would be making BANK off of your ignorant fucking ass.

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>>39495168
>going to Mickey Ds
>Twenty fucking seventeen
They deserved it.

>>39501950
>closed to discussion
how many times did you patronize or insult anon?

>>39501950
I'm having multiple people write long ass posts to me. Of course I'm not going to sit here and ready every little thing they say.

>At this point you're fully defensive
Is it defensive to point out the facts of the case and why it went the way it did? I don't think so.

>closed to discussion
There is really no discussion to be had. The case went exactly the way you'd expect it to.

>Even though we have the exact same viewpoint
We don't though. We're reaching conclusions through different means. It's similar but not the same.

>>39502005
>Was OJ innocent because he was acquitted?
This isn't a criminal case though. It requires different standards of proof to reach a conclusion. Another irrelevant point.

>THAT IS HOW YOU MAKE COFFEE, IT IS THE MOST RELEVANT POINT HERE
It's not the only way to make coffee. That's the point.

>I would be making BANK off of your ignorant fucking ass.
Go for it. Good luck in your law school goals 2017

>>39502006
>going to Mickey Ds
>Twenty fucking seventeen
You must be at least 18 to post on this board

>>39502029

>So blinded by proving he's right that he even disagrees with someone who has the exact same view as him
>"muh patronizing insult" when it's pointed out

You can simply agree you're blinded by being attacked by others and lumped that post in with it. Ya know. Take some responsibility.

>>39502048
The only people that go to McDonalds these days are niggers and fat hicks. How do you expect anyone to respect you when you go there?

>>39502071
anon. i'm not the anon you've been arguing with.
>>39502089
this didn't happen in 2017 you fucking child

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>>39502099
>going to McDonalds
>ever
There, fatty. Better?

>>39502137
Somebody's going to the burn ward tonight right bro?? lmao

>>39502047
>This isn't a criminal case though
It is a case that required a presiding judge and jury to reach a verdict, no? What a shit semantic argument.

>It's not the only way to make coffee.
It is the optimum method of making HOT coffee.

I'm done. You're retarded. Case dismissed.

>>39502200
>What a shit semantic argument
What a shit understanding

>>39495168
I think the McDonalds army should nuke the whole court and the retarded prosecution for being fags.

>>39501945
>blame men
Wat

>washing my hands with hot water tap
>get distracted while it heats up
>resume washing
>get an ouchie
Can I sue my gas company lads?

>>39502224
You haven't used your vast knowledge of law to prove him wrong. Would you indulge us in the details that confirm your argument is valid?

>>39502224
I agree with this anon. There are a lot of anons suffering Dunning-Kruger in this thread.

>>39502364
I don't have much knowledge of law, I'm not either of those 2.

>>39502364
Are you the same guy who thinks we share an opinion? Because yet again you're replying to someone who isn't me.

And no, if you want an in-depth understanding of the case law applied and the arguments used you're best to look the case itself up and see what was argued. I'm not American but your open court civil cases should be open to the public. You could even just read the Judge's summary.

>>39502390
So then why agree with his argument when you yourself know nothing whatsoever, let alone can't contribute any kind of meaningful insight into this issue?

>>39500172
I can get my jeans off pretty damn quickly if I have to, but I'm only 20 so I assume I can move much quicker than an old lady

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>>39495168
Look at the fucking beaker on her

>>39502433
So why do you have an argument at all when you yourself know nothing about law? What a stupid proposition

>>39502452
From a cursory look at the replies, criminal law is not 'all law', so whoever draws distinction between criminal cases and civil cases is aware of the differences. It's a valid statement.

>>39502433
I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with anyone's argument, I was stating that, to me, the fact that there was a judge and jury present does not make this the same thing as a criminal case and thus not an issue of semantics. Thank you for including me in this discussion even though I don't have much legal expertise to offer.

>>39502452
You understand that anyone can reply to anyone else, right?

>>39502492
>From a cursory look at the replies, criminal law is not 'all law', so whoever draws distinction between criminal cases and civil cases is aware of the differences.
Yeah, I'm with you. But this is like me trying to have an in-depth conversation with you about your favourite anime and my knowledge extends as far as saying "well, anime is Japanese cartoons" and therefore expecting you to listen to what I have to say. Pointing out a broad statement isn't showing you have knowledge of law. It also ignores the fact that he compared a criminal case where different rules and standards apply to a civil case. So it's more like me trying to talk about your favourite anime by using what little knowledge I have of Adventure Time or Rick and Morty.

>>39502518
What was the point of this reply in relation to what I posted?

>>39502452
Because I can reach a conclusion based on deductive logic. I will freely admit I'm not educated in law, but you don't need a paralegal's degree to reach a conclusion based in logic.

His contention was: "This isn't a criminal case though." regarding my analogy of OJ's acquittal not equating to the conclusion of an argument in entirety. Again, his rebuttal was that; this "was not a criminal case", which has no bearing on the validity of a conclusion. An argument needs to be settled using deductive logic, reasoning, and dialectic. Only one of which is being used as a basis for the conclusion of this argument.

>>39502544
>What was the point of this reply
It seems like there are two (three?) anons arguing and one (two?) of them think that anyone responding to them is one of the others.

>>39502544
>But this is like me trying to have an in-depth conversation with you about your favourite anime and my knowledge extends as far as saying "well, anime is Japanese cartoons" and therefore expecting you to listen to what I have to say.
That's why I said it was a cursory look. I can't be asked to see everything you two (or more) have gone back and forth about. I only put in my input about the whole case: I think McDonalds is in the right and the lady has no case. McDicks can sell baby burgers and people will still eat it, they're that good. Who cares if you get scorched, you can still eat with your mouth.

>>39495168
It was a woman who got burned? Thats all I need to know that, McDonalds did nothing wrong.

>>39502638
That's what I said. She was a woman, and it's McDicks. No nigger ever tries to get smart with Micky D.

>>39499654
>implying customers want their skin burned off

>>39502570
To clarify his contention was stated as being: "It requires different standards of proof to reach a conclusion," which is based on his assumption that the entirety of the argument is concluded in court, thus his "requires different standards of proof to reach a conclusion" part.

My rebuttal is that this has nothing to do with the difference between any two types of court cases or the types of proof needed to reach a conclusion, it has to do with the overall false presumption that "an argument settled in court is finalized from an epistemological perspective" or that the conclusion reached is the objective truth, which it is NOT.

>>39502570
Okay you seem to be misunderstanding my point. It's harder to find fault in a criminal trial due to the stringent rules regarding what allows a conviction. The rules of evidence and the standard of evidence for example. Saying "well OJ got off how are courts always right?" is a strawman of my position because I never said that. We're talking about civil litigation specifically. In civil litigation, torts specifically, certain parties have a duty of care. This is what is being discussed. McDonalds has/had a duty of care to ensure its practices were congruent with patron safety. This has nothing to do with the OJ case. It's completely irrelevant. It seems like your lack of knowledge is what is stopping you from being to ascertain why pointing this fact out is an apt counter-argument.

>>39502582
Seems so.

>>39502604
I'm not sure how food is related to beverages or this case. Could you please explain?

>>39502702
>or that the conclusion reached is the objective truth, which it is NOT.
But based on current case law it is. I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make here. You seem to have a severe lack of understanding as to how the legal process works. It's not a straight logic argument.

>My rebuttal is that this has nothing to do with the difference between any two types of court cases or the types of proof needed to reach a conclusion
And because of this lack of understanding you made this statement which is wholly inaccurate.

>be old lady
>probably poor, shitty and boring life
>dumb fuck at mcdicks forgot to put lid on all the way
>scald my legs, need intense medical treatment
>one look at the bill, would be paying it for the rest of my life
>call lawyer panicking, he suggests we may have a case
>they're a billion dollar company anyway, it's like a drop in the bucket
>sue to not be in lifelong debt

I would have done the same tbqph

>>39502746
Keep being you lawbro.

>>39502792
>I haven't read this thread or anything at all about this case but I'm here too

>>39495347
good goy, listen to the big nosed lawyers, dont question it.

>>39502746
>I'm not sure how food is related to beverages or this case
Ronald makes the good shit, one little scorched thigh of some dumb lady is secondary and dismissed on the grounds of irrelevancy. She has no case, McDs can do anything because they are powerful and mighty.

>>39502859
But they can't do whatever they want and she did have a case. Which is why she won. I don't deny that people have continued to bring their patronage to the chain though.

>>39502800
Thanks mate. You too.

Am I the only one who wouldn't even bother with the lawsuit and just kill myself if this happened to me? Like imagine actually seeing gaping holes in your legs with bone and stuff peeking out. I think upon realizing that THIS is what I am I'd immediately clock out. How could you rationalize that shit away?

>>39502746
To expand on that, Ronald does not need to follow the law, the laws bend to his will.

Just another question, though. Can the rules of evidence, as you mention above to the other guy, be imperfect/biased so as to manipulate verdicts in different favours? For example, witness testimony. If you get enough people to confess to some event or person occurring/being guilty, you can win.

>>39502907
They actually can do what they want to. Nothing is stopping them except for the state, which is temporary. The average lifespan of civilization is around 200 or so years, so the current state is not exactly a youthful one, so to speak. Once they are removed, business will replace them. For now, she wins. The elderly women of tomorrow will be burned to death.

>>39502927
>The elderly women of tomorrow will be burned to death.
Rest easy /r9k/. It gets better.

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>>39502746
I don't think you understand logic then. This is my point:

>the overall false presumption that "an argument settled in court is finalized from an epistemological perspective" or that the conclusion reached is the objective truth, which it is NOT.
If you need help elucidating or clarifying any of the terminology or concepts I use please free to ask me.

Because of my above proposition, arguing whether a court case is a tort or a criminal case is null argument, any verdict reached is not the final argument, no matter the types of evidence used to acquit or indict a defendant. The court system is not a hermetically sealed dialectical chamber, it is tainted by bias, bribery, and pandering. You're arguing with someone who studies truth and the validity thereof as a serious interest.

>>39502977
Professional Philospher coming through

>>39502995
*tips ad hominem*

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>>39495347
Corporations are mostly evil you dumb dick.

But, far be it from me to tell you that... keep feeding the machine you sloppy cunt.

>>39503072
Is a driveby shitpost really an ad hominem if I wasn't involved in a discussion?

i just wish their coffee wasnt so fucking hot in general. i dont plan on spilling it all over myself or anything, but i kind of have to drive around and i dont want to burn my god damn lips off

>>39503233
You can get iced coffee

>>39502746
Your claim here
>McDonalds has/had a duty of care to ensure its practices were congruent with patron safety.
>This has nothing to do with the OJ case.

Is exactly what I'm talking about, the type of case, the evidence provided, the stringent rules or lack thereof needed to to indict a defendant DON'T MATTER TO THE CONCLUSION OF A DEBATE ON THE VALIDITY OF A CLAIM.

I used the OJ analogy to demonstrate how just because an argument ends in the courtroom, the verdict reached has no bearing on the actual validity of the argument, not whether "courts are (not) always correct in their verdict". Again "duty to care" for a patron doesn't matter, the legal or moral obligation of a cooperation doesn't matter to the debate I am having at all. I'm not arguing the verdict reached in the Liebeck v. McDonalds, I'm arguing the effect of the decision reached in a courtroom on the overall dialectical process of discerning the validity of an argument.

Again my original contention was that the verdict a court reaches
>has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on the conclusion of an argument.

sage for retarded law student trying to inject litigatory framework into a much more abstract debate

>>39503356
Move those posts some more.

>>39500998
You are so fucking stupid, the coffee was far hotter than it should have been. Normally brewed coffee does not burn skin to such an extent multiple skin grafts are required

mcdonalds didn't follow regulations and got fucked because of it. woman was totally within her rights to sue

>>39495168
oy vey look at that nose

>>39503407

>>39502005

originality and authenticity are the prime concerns in existentialist doctrines

>>39495347
>more like ameriturd wage is so anxious to suck up shekelsteins jizz he even defends shitty busines practices on his time off

>>39503475
You are correct anon.
>>39503518
Too shay.

>>39495290
The coffee is just a few degrees short of boiling.

Like, what the fuck. How is that ok?

>>39495240
What the shit is going on in that picture? Looks like someone shoved pickles in an open wound

>>39503233
At least thanks to this incident there are cup holders in most, if not all vehicles now.