Does anyone actually believe in capitalism anymore? From what

Suffering is natural and so is pain,along with death. Capitalism is the freedom to ethier succeed or die trying .

>>39279444
Why the fuck should we support your lazy asses? Give me one fucking reason besides "It's the right tihng to do", because capitalism or not, I wouldn't mind seeing you all crying in hunger pain.

>>39279504
That's always what life has been though.

>>39279603
Why is it right for rich people to take from everyone and never give anything back?

>>39279603
Because I can't compete.

Imagine if you couldn't compete.

>>39279603
>I wouldn't mind seeing you all crying in hunger pain.

good honest conservative values not sadistic at all

>>39279612
Capitalism is a tool that is far superior to all the others. It is more nuanced in it's slavery and homicidal ways. Under the guise of freedom and peace it can wage war and pillage like no other. Communism is too blunt and fascism is a dead end road. More freedom: more slavery. It is a money makers paradise.

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>>39279666
most of these capitalists still rely on the police and government to take care of them regardless, they're all hypocrites who created a monster and refuse to take responsibility for the unemployment and suffering it creates.

>>39279663
You want me to help you out? Get a job, faggot. Contribute.
>>39279619
99.9% of the time, you don't grow rich through luck. You get rich through out-jewing the competition, which requires risks and being good at jewing. Why should they give you money that belongs to them? What have you done to deserve it?
>>39279637
I'm a highschool dropout with diagnosed aspergers, anger problems, and severe depression and I manage to get out of bed every morning, go to my shitty office job, and earn money.

>>39279736
>You want me to help you out? Get a job, faggot. Contribute.

I already have and it was terrible and made me hate capitalism even more.

If you want to pursue success go ahead but you can at least pay your fair share and provide neetbux to those disillusioned with all this "prosperity"

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>>39279736
>I'm a highschool dropout with diagnosed aspergers, anger problems, and severe depression and I manage to get out of bed every morning, go to my shitty office job, and earn money.

So am I, and if you actually had severe depression you wouldn't have a job.

pay up piggy OINK OINK

>>39279736
Jewing is not a moral practice. It's just exploitation of others. People work hard and the fruits of their labor are taken from them by greedy, little nepotists, resentful of everyone because of their personal short-comings.

Cuckpitalism is for people who don't care that their grandkids will be mulatto mutants and their sons will be trannies as long as it means they get cheap junkfood and the new ZOGphone 9

>>39279736
>hate jews
>plays their game

why?

>>39279444
Get a job or kys

>>39279820
>lives off mommy and daddy

>>39279444
communism got more people killed then Hitler did. communism is the ideology of evil.

>>39279444

Capitalism fulfills all my material needs really well without asking much from me. I live a pretty simple, self-centered lifestyle though.

>>39279782
>jsut because I can't get a job with my depression means you can't too
I hate everything you piece of shit, I hate myself and everything that I do. I'm constantly angry at everything and want to hurt people when they make even the slightest infraction, and even then, sometimes I want to hurt them for no reason.
I hate, hate, hate. I do nothing but hate. When I'm not hating, I'm crying. There's hardly any inbetween for me. It's exhausting, it's tiring, it's fucking agony to just exist. Hate and sadness, it's not a way a person should live, but I deal with it anywasys because that's the lot I was given in life. If I give in, then I'm not better than some lazy scumbag on disability like my fucking uncle.

>>39279785
Life isn't a moral practice, you fucking fruit, your job is to survive, and do whatever you have to in order to do so. One day, the gibs will dry up, and you won't survive. Enjoy your comfort until then, faggot.

>>39279853
>capitalism is good because stalin or moa, or hitler made decisions to have people killed

also communism basically saved Russia and made them a modern country that saved the world from nazis.

The only thing that saved America from the great depression that killed millions was ww2

>>39279874
Life is moral as it made me, a moral person. If life was not moral it would only allow for people like you.

>>39279874
>I'm a hateful retard who wants to feel better then others because I admittingly have an inferiority complex

you'll be replaced with robots anyway, might as well be on the winning team.

>>39279874
I'm not a meet, I work, I hope life gets better for you Anon.

>>39279874
>LIFE IS SURVIVAL
>"what about my neetbux?"
>IT WILL DRY UP
>"how come?"
>BECAUSE I WANT LIFE TO BE A BRUTAL STRUGGLE
>"how come"
>BECAUSE LIFE IS SURVIVAL

see your own insanity?

>>39279603
Because the system is fundamentally flawed if I cannot find a job in 5 years with government assistance/advice every week (not financial, I have never been employed). But that's more of a problem with companies' inhuman hiring standards.

>>39279990
capitalists basically think you should have died on the streets a long time ago

Best kind of society is capitalist with socialist values. People work better if they have way more to gain, but having safety nets have more people try again when they fall instead of giving up. There's always going to be shitters taking up resources anyway, but the people that want more in life and actually can make a difference will more than likely succeed than in the system we currently have.

I hate capitalism and have no problem with NEETs. I wouldn't encourage anyone to become NEET, though, just because the realities of capitalism make it a precarious position for anyone who isn't independently wealthy.

>>39280017
>want more in life

have fun paying alimony

>>39280002
My dad disagrees so I still try every monday, apply to entry-level shit like mcdonalds/grocery store clerks/etc. I get twitchy if I don't do something like household chores or basic tasks, and nobody's willing to socialize with me so I'm stuck going by my own barely-existent merits at age 24. I don't know how to drive and he's not able to teach me with the time he spends at work so I end up walking to most of my applied stores.

>>39280043
Don't have children, focus on yourself. You're more valuable then you will ever know.

>>39279603

Because as it is you are completely dependent on state funded infrastructure to make a wage. Like it or not, you're already 'supported'; a dependant yourself.

Plus that's kind of the point of state welfare over Victorian style charitable patronage; it's not supposed to be your choice, or even explicitly to your benefit.

If it's any consolation, conservacuck, the proportion of your (probably very low) tax deductions that go towards welfare is likely a couple of cents a month. You aren't bearing the burden of 'benefits scroungers' alone, Atlas. In fact that entire attitude was, ironically, cultivated in you (by the neoliberal press, media and so on) for someone else's benefit, more or less.

Cunt.

>>39280079
I'm in my own predicament at 24.

I wonder why this happens.

Capitalism
>everybody should just be useful to the economy, there is no rewards for being a nice guy, daily reminder to drink my fermented EcoPiss

Communism
>everybody should just be useful to the economy, everybody should be the same dull homogeneous shit, destroy everything that questions the state

Fascism
>everybody should just be useful to the state, you can make culture as long as its approved

Libertarianism/AnCap
>roads also warbands

Traditionalism
>we shall uplift you, craft you into the spiritual being that you deserve to be, and burn away the societal cancers that malign the soul, nature shall live in harmony with industry, the galaxy is an extended backyard for the Earth which we shall pollinate

NatSoc
>traditionalism but race/people instead of soul

communism always struck me as sour grapes

Yeah, I can't stand the way people think that work in itself is a good thing. The only thing that happens at a menial jon is the destruction of your soul. There is no self-improvement of any kind.

Honestly, I don't even believe in meritocracy anymore. It just seems like an excuse to screw the majority of the population.

>>39280179
SHUT UP YOU SHOULD SUFFER WITH ME.

All the vidya and things you like are made through work, which at this time, is done mostly by humans. Yeah, capitalism is flawed. Companies sell the product at the highest price possible to empty our pockets as much as possible, but whats the alternative? Once robots actually take over the majority of jobs, then we could switch over to communism, but for now capitalism is the only choice we have.

You can be a NEET and live on autismbux, saving up your autismbux for weeks to finally get a medium sized TV, a medium-grade computer, medium grade apartment Or you can get a job and get a large TV, high-grade computer, own a house, etc. It's all a matter of if you want to live large or small. And of course, being a NEET is not appealing to a potential mate, whereas having money is. If you're destined to jerk off to anime all day and never want a GF, then stay NEET. The NEET life is for you.

>>39280139
is economy your way of saying "society"? As in you don't like neets because they don't contribute to society aka Shekelstien's bank account.

>>39280113
Well currently it's more about who you know, and I don't know about you but I don't know anybody. So I have a hard time getting in myself. It also doesn't help that currently a lot of hiring companies want to squeeze you for all you're worth with the current desperate job market. If you can't be squeezed much, they'll just toss you out and look for someone that can be. They also don't want to train anybody so nobody is obtaining the skills exclusively found in the company, and the less exclusive ones too. So plenty aren't marketable except people who were already in. It's not sustainable in the long run so something is bound to change.
Oh right and sometimes companies will put up hiring signs just for guvbucks, doing interviews and all that, ultimately not hiring for a position that has been open for months. They're exploiting government money no differently than a NEET does.

>>39280139
Capitalism is sour grapes by people who thought they could be rich but couldn't but don't want to look like flip floppers so they want everyone to suffer along with them.

Why do you make me feel bad /r9k/, I work because buying games makes me feel happy, why do you make me feel like a piece of shit?

>>39280043
>having kids in the current year
Kek. I meant along the lines of a career, but having families grows a society more than the millions of NEETs that currently inhabit their parents' home.

>>39280207
That's a good point, companies exploit tax payers much more the neets do. Not to mention all the bailouts to keep this dead corpse floating.

>>39280251
No one wants to have families with us, we are scum.

>>39280251
If you don't have kids why do you care about society?

>>39280188
Reagan really did a number on the youngest boomers and oldest gen-xers. It's like they're brainwashed.

I've also come to despise nearly all successful people as they're the ones who perpetrate it.

>>39280288
They're brainwashed to hate themselves.

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>>39280264
>women
>not wanting neet cock

>>39280304
I don't know if they hate themselves as much as they've been convinced that labor, even that of the menial variety, improves them personally. It's absolute insanity, but I'm not sure if it's self-hatred.

>>39280332
No anon, away from your memes people will never want your or I.

We're just disgusting monsters to Normies.

Capitalism created anime. People in Japan now have anime girlfriends and live in an anime paradise, all thanks to capitalism.

>>39280352
Most normies are miserable as fuck I've seen.

the conservative working class ones especially, they're always 2 divorces in at 40-50 and say they would have killed themselves if they'd known they'd just be a miserable slave their whole life.

We're not monsters, we're not not normal.

>>39280385
Makes me wonder, do they vote conservative just to spite other people?

>>39280369
>japanese people
>happy

>>39280409
they hate themselves and it gets weaponized towards other people they can relate to.

>>39280253
I think the best solution would be for the government to employ able-bodied NEETs/unemployed in some way. Evidently there are more than enough able-bodied and willing folk. If they can't fill the employment slots then the NEETs/unemployed could be basically on vacation until called in. As it stands, the government's methods of making people look for work instead of making people work is failing. Or worse, they're hand-in-hand with companies and are deliberately rusing people who are unable to find employment. There is also the complication of corporate ties to the government which could interfere with that form of solution, as making a change to one changes both.

>>39280447
no wonder people do drugs to escape this horrible capitalist shithole

>>39280467
What do you propose in turn that'll work?

What do ANY of you niggers propose in place of capitalism?

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>>39280502
Free qt girlfriends in exchange for work.

That's the only I solution I see.

>>39280264
A bit of a harsh judgement, but I can't speak for everyone. I used to be a real sad cunt until I basically forced myself to get better and now I manage to actually feel happy than pretend to be like I did three years ago.
>>39280279
Well I'm participating in society and I know other people are popping out kids so I'm eventually going to be working with or around the next generation.

>>39280502
We could propose literally anything and that's part of why we can't get any individual ideas out there in the first place. We have all the proposals in the world and as far as America knows there's no recurring history lesson to reference. So it's all theoretical solutions from here. Some propose modifications to capitalism, other suggest changing the system altogether. We have all the ideas under the sun but nobody has the power to make those changes happen.
So I would say that it's not what we propose, it's how we propose it. How do we do so in these circumstances where public political opinions have little worth?

>>39280502
Seriously though if you put people in a position where they have no upward social mobility they will turn against society and the system that created them.

that's why conservacucks are all masochists, they have to be for things to keep going.

>>39280385
It's really weird how it hits them too. I was talking with my mom a few days ago about how I've been trying to plan a move next year and still keep working where I'm at and when I asked what she was thinking about in my age, she basically told me she never had concerns like this until two years ago when her mother died. Everything was pretty much set up for her at home and all her and her friends did to move up was to get married. After that fell through and she tried supporting us while living with her mother, it started hitting her that she never really tried to branch out and be independent like I did. A lot of boomers just fell in line while it was good and are either stuck working the same job or struggling to make it to retirement.

>>39279444
They can pretend to pay me, and I can pretend to work.

>>39279444
>does anyone actually believe in voluntary exchange anymore?
as opposed to theft?

Why argue politics? Your opposition will either scream cuck or racist at you.

>>39280671
Women will never be able to understand this type of situation.

I see why Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses more and more, you have to be a saint who thinks he'll make it to heaven just to swallow the blackpill without losing your shit in all the despair.

>>39280765
They've just been brought up differently. Women with careers that have been raised outside of "just be a good wife" mentality do fine, but there's plenty out there who are entering the work force that are still being teached traditional values that contradict working independently so they're under stress. It's still possible for a woman to live a satisfying life just by marrying up, but it's always a rarity for a man to try the same.

>>39279444
That is a pretty nice propoganda image anon and I say this without sarcasm.

I still am on the other side from you though.

I believe in capitalism because I believe that it offers the quickest route to AI waifus.

Just dodge taxes you faggots. It feels good knowing that except for things like sales taxes I'm not significantly contributing to welfare. Also is the OP implying that nazis hate BRAP posting?

>>39279768
Fair share is zero. Capitalism incentivizes people to do something that benefits society. Giving you money would be incentivizing staying at home and masturbating to cartoons which is not beneficial to society.

I don't fucking get it with you retards

Okay you hate capitalism. Fine. But where does all the anti-nativism, internationalism, sjw shit, feminism, etc play into it?

I swear I'd have little to no problem with communists if they weren't such fucking sjws. Yeah I can see the theory behind capitalism becoming outdated as automation kicks up. Remind me why I have to give up my nationality again? Why do we have to tear down the family structure and any other vaguely traditional institution?

>>39281182
the sjw stuff is funded by the rich elites in order to demonize the left and silence their opposition, it's cheaper to talk about races and genders than actually make meaningful change helping countless of people

>>39279444
When you get older you ask yourself 'what would I be doing in my own utopia?' and then you realise you can do it regardless of the shit of capitalism, just have to turn into a sociopath and have no problem hurting people by stealing from them legally, still haven't got over that last hurdle

>>39279444
Most people believe in capitalism, they're just not very good at following some of it's tenets.
Like all those christian girls I fucked

>>39279444
>Does anyone actually believe in capitalism anymore?
Depends on what you mean. Capitalism is a great system to promote innovation, but it's easy to exploit if unregulated. I know that most europeans does not believe in unregulated capitalism, can't speak for americans though but it seems like there's a lot of americans who are still have the naive 50's vision of THE FREE MARKET where everyone's a millionaire waiting for his or her break.

>>39281266
No actually I think I figured it out, it's because of materialism in marxism. If you have nothing but the material then of course you're going to find nationalism, religion, anything "traditional" distasteful. It's just inherent in any communist-related ideology. Also remember the end goal of communism is stateless egalitarianism. Sjws have always been married to marxism (long before anyone used the term sjw, obviously, but their ideological ancestors were the early socialists).

There does exist a spiritualist, more conservative, and anti-capitalist political ideology though. It's called fascism.

I guess what I meant to say is that I'd have no issue with communists if they were fascists.

>>39281783
materialism is used in marxism to explain some of the problems of capitalism but it doesn't mean if you are a leftist you have nothing else, that's ridiculous, it's the capitalism that forces materialism as the carrot on the end of the stick which is more than enough on it's own to make people look for alternatives

fascism is literally corporations swallowing everyone, it's not anti-capitalist at all in fact is more capitalist than capitalist democracy

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>>39279874

edgy, have a sage

>>39279981
This guy pointed out capitalists' circular logic and got trips!

Capitalcucks on suicide watch

>>39279874
You do feel that way when you have a job, all the abuse and injustice is a beehive cloud above your head

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>>39282102
what should I do
I just want to be happy

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>>39282064
>>39279981 got trips
>39279981
>trips

>>39282120
Quit the job you hate

>>39282120
Rather than leaving it up to the furypost that was made earlier, elaborate on what makes you miserable and why. If you think critically, you can identify and solve the root of the problem. Or you can post details here and ask for a second opinion. It helps no one to be reductive.

Why isn't anyone pointing out BBBRRRAAAAPPPPPP?

>>39282223
Not him but the problem is anyone with power will always abuse it. Power corrupts etc Shakespeare . Which is why everyone should become anarchists where power is spread out and there are no bosses or rulers.

>>39282323
how will this not lead to the collapse of society and civilization as we know it

oh wait maybe you think it will and that's a good thing

anarchists ins gas

>>39282323
You put the cart before the horse. What is true is that you have to be corrupt to become powerful. Imagine you are playing a game against another, and while you are following codes of conduct and rules, he is just doing whatever helps him win. Of course you will lose that game.

>>39279444
Okay, I figured out the solution to life. :)

I'll pm you the fix

>>39279444
people who could provide for themselves died in the past
capitalism built this system, and it's being eroded to provide gibs but more and more and needing gibs
soon the system is going to fail and it will reset to the way it was before
any type of socialism fails because it isn't efficient

>>39282429
couldn't* spelling :(

>>39282323
While I find that somewhat unrelated to the working anon's problems, I am of the belief that many people in power were already corrupt to begin with. Power does not corrupt, it only tests the kind of person you are. The road to obtaining said power plays a heavy hand in that corruption you speak of, a lot of backstabbing, a lot of manipulation. To people who respect your decisions, you're their saint, and to people who don't, you're called corrupt. It's all a matter of perception and if the decisions made fit within your views. A gung-ho capitalist might find the current market to be just, and to the people struggling, unjust. People are very short-sighted creatures.

>>39282360
>the collapse of society and civilization as we know it

Do you need a boss to tell you what to do, are you a child

>>39282453
Why not come back in 10 years and see what you think

Designer babies will be the nail in the coffin for capitalism. When the rich can create super babies who are more attractive, smarter, and have amazing social skills the peasants will revolt and regardless of the outcome, designer babies and genetically perfected humans are the end goal of evolution itself in regards to humanity. Designer babies will make old humanity obselete and we will finally enter a golden age, and the vast majority of old humans will be remembered as primitive, brutal, dumb, and lacking culture.

>>39282498
You rescinded the right to an age-based nothing statement when you decided to quote Shakespeare.

>>39282464
Anarchism is a fantasy. If any big country like america fell to anarchy you would soon have a new boss by the name of ching chong or sergai vodkavich

>because they hate neets
>GIVE ME FREE STUFF YOU OWE ME MONEY FOR EXISTING
Who wouldn't hate neets?

>>39282551
Nothing wrong with him

>>39282563
Yes anarchism is vunerable, dunno mate, someone might have thought up how it could work without being smashed by cunts, haven't read enough, but the tenets are sound

>>39282637
There is nothing wrong with Shakespeare, that's about the only thing you've correctly stated. His works are not a testament of human nature, they are highly-regarded as written art. However his stories are not a citation for how humanity functions at the highest level of power. Neither are my own statements, nor yours, as all three are opinion. It is quite common for the pretentious high schooler to quote Shakespeare as though they are fact, and I suppose it's my fault for assuming you would understand that concept without being reductive.
The more insulting part is that you decided to go on this tangent when I was initially responding to an anon who had not elaborated on his problems, you assumed the root cause was the people above him rather than inquiring, or waiting for response since I had already inquired. It helps no one to assume nor reduce information.
Anarchy is also not viable unless it were to occur on a global scale, as other countries would take advantage of the chaos of the in-fighting. It's about as fantastic as it would be short-lived. That kind of chaos would require nothing short of an event such as the biblical rapture.

>>39282886
This is so pretentious I can't. My point about your age is it takes a number of years to really get how the people above you are not responsible or benevolent with their power. And neither would you or me or anyone be.

Now you're assuming the feasibility of anarchism, how would you know? Have some humility, have you read anything about it?

>>39279905
War is literally the only way to keep capitalist countries afloat.

>Germany
>Started arming for ww2
>Economy exploded
>USA
>Started arming for ww2
>Economy exploded

>>39283032
But that's entirely false, I stated that there were many corrupt people in power. I simply disagreed with what exactly corrupts them. As for the feasibility of Anarchy, that depends on the form of it. Generally speaking though I am not arguing against Anarchy, rather I am speaking of the likelihood of it becoming reality.
>I can't
You can't what? Stop spouting plebeian memes? I can advise you but I doubt you wouldn't twist my words like you've recently demonstrated.

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>Does anyone still believe in capitalism
Well, I do, but I trade stocks for a living, besides coming from wealth anyway.

>>39279736
>What have you done to deserve it?
What have they done to deserve it? Lying, cheating extorting and exploiting harder than everyone else? We shouldn't reward that behavior.
Like Aristotle said: A trade that leaves one better off is unfair. Having more than one produces oneself leaves another with less than his due. (He supported slavery though.)

>>39283085
It's because capitalism needs unbounded growth. The only way to achieve unbounded growth is through unbounded consumption. The way to unbounded consumption is unbounded destruction.

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>>39279444
I found things wrong about that pic

>>39279444
anon if there's one thing ive learned it that when a large amount of people is doing well, and a small amount are not, it's usually not the fault of the large group, but of the small

you can't expect someone to take care of you forever

this society is a freudian nightmare

>>39279905
millions of Americans did not die in the depression. millions of Americans have never died en masse save for the civil war which we did to ourselves.

>>39283893
isn't it a small group of people doing well and a large group doing bad?

>>39283983
a lot of it was avoided because social programs started getting rolled out to save lives

communism would destroy everything we've built as a society and that is why it needs to be eradicated

>>39283983
>millions of Americans did not die in the depression

I'm sure they're not listed that way. There was a big spike in suicides after the great recession, but those are all listed as suicides.

Might some of them have killed themselves anyway even if a group of Wall Street financiers hadn't engaged in extremely greedy and risky trade practices which directly caused a huge economic downturn? Possibly. That's the distance that allows Goldman Sachs executives to tell themselves they're not murderers. But who, when thinking honestly about it, can really say that there's no way the recession caused people to kill themselves who might otherwise be alive? Probably the same people who could tell themselves that repealing Obamacare wouldn't kill anyone, and wouldn't be tantamount to murder.

These giant financiers make decisions which have tremendous consequences for the rest of us; literally life and death; and they're not accountable for a damn thing.

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BRAAP

BRRA-A-A-A-A-AP

BRAP

BRAP

seriously though most normies just go along with socialism to avoid being uncool racists maybe that's what we should all do.

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>>39279444
>Does anyone actually believe in capitalism anymore?
Ask the upper classes what they think of it. Then ask them how willing they are to give up their lifestyles.