Is there a god, robots?

>>39272291
Am I alone in the opinion that I hope not? A being that can do whatever it wants to you hardly sounds reassuring.

Probably not in my opinion

There are thousands of them
>>39272339
Brainlet

Yes there is. Plus its my only option since atheists are so universally abhorrent.

yes his name is Perkwunos

>>39272291
Yeah but I don't like him all that much

>>39272347
This is what I believe too. You gnostic friendo?

Yes there is. And he is waiting for you to forge a relationship with him

How much longer are you going to let yourself wallow in misery? How many more nights of loneliness? How many more days filled with anxiety?
Every notice how religious God fearing people just seem to be happy without even trying? Don't you want to be like them?

It's time to stop running from God.
It's time to start praying

>>39272426
Religious people are automatically happy? Not my family at least.

>>39272291
I hope so. Somebody's responsible for this mess.

>>39272426
People have trouble believing in god because they have never felt him or seen him

What connections have you made with god?

>>39272464
yes and you better start loving him more than your dearest kin or else he's about to make things a whole lot messier for you.

>>39272355
any proof ? cunt

>>39272483
the connection to know you will have 72 virgin or go to heaven for being a goodwage kuk since most of religion prevent any bank related work aka interest. in islam at least no wonder why they hate jew.

>b-but y-you c-cant proove me wrong !
anon you dont believe in things because you didnt saw them.
>XDDDD FUCKING atheist cunt RDY FOR WW3 ITS HABBENIN XDDDDD

>>39272291
If there is, it likely doesn't care about us. Fuck, it may not even consider us alive.

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>>39272291
That's a complicated question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7QvnhJgeA

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Whether or not he exists is irrelevant. You should ACT Like he does.
>take your suffering and bare it
>pick up your God damned responsibilities
>sort yourself out
https://youtu.be/ti1Tob5Ceh8

>>39272291
>be raised in an atheist family
>the topic of God has come up maybe once in the twenty-nine years I've been alive
>eventually look into religion
>read further into Christianity
>adopt the concept of Jesus Christ being the Son of Man and God on Earth
>life gets slightly better and easier after enacting regular prayer

I don't know why you guys don't at least try it. What have you to lose by at least earnestly trying to approach God at least once? If it doesn't work for you then give it up I guess.

>>39272957
I did, and I did give it up. Mostly since it didn't ever work, in addition to being worshipped by masses of normals that have only made my life more miserable. Apparently I'm odd in that I've actually read a bible, old and new testament.
My favorite part was in the old testament, where god basically repeatedly threatened to smite his disobedient followers, and their leader at the time (I want to say Moses but all the names blend in too much) pretty much kept pleading to stay his hand. Couldn't help but find the overall exchange humorous.

>>39273035
I don't know what you were praying and asking for. Things in my life blew at the time. I mostly pray to God, for God, for the people of the world, my sins, and all I ask for is bread and work. Now I have all the bread and work I want.

Yes. There is no good explanation for life except God. Transcendental entities are supernatural. Logic, truth, morality, none of these rely on nature. They are objective. Objective laws of thought, like the laws of logic, do not depend on nature to exist. So there MUST be something supernatural.

Now this doesn't mean 100% it's God. You COULD postulate any random theory but they are not as reasonable and all-encompassing as God, they do not explain all faces of life like God does. God is the only reasonable explanation. Transcendental entities, including laws of logic, truth and morality and contained within Him and are aspects of his Being. With the God you also get creation the universe, earth, and life.

>>39273065
I prayed to find someone that could pull me out of my solitary room, someone that could convince me not to become a jaded fuck, someone that could relieve me of my ostracized childhood. A single friend. I may as well have been praying for a river in the desert.
Though, I realized a method that subverted all of my desperation. I simply let go of all those people that hurt me, for a time. All those people who gave me passing glances. That thug that sustained an improvised hairspray flamethrower to my face, never touched but still paralyzed from fear. That kid who smashed my face when I stood up for myself and had the cops on his side. I could not forgive them as I was, so I hated until my hate had burned out.
These same people preach to the same god while hurting people like me. If I went to heaven with these people, it would only be hell. I still hate how insincere every single church-goer I meet is. They are as condescending in church as they are in life. They reek of the holier than thou attitude. There is nothing human about the people I have met.
So I reached the conclusion that, because everyone I have ever met in my life has been inhuman, solitude behind this computer was the best course of action. Staying in my room allowed me to heal, go on uninterrupted adventures, and meet the people I can only dreamed of. After all, if a person willing to even associate with me did not exist, then I could create them as mental constructs.
I do not have faith in god, because if there was one then his children would not have shunned me into social oblivion. I cannot earnestly believe in the same being many of the people that hurt me follow. I can grasp the concept that a higher power might exist extremely easily, but it can't be him. I cannot follow that god, because even when I am burned out I can't help but hate the kindness I was never shown. The only satisfying emotion I have ever felt was the burnout after my solitary rage fits.

>>39272957
I couldn't really get over the idea that most people were predamned due to no access to specific revelation. And that preoccupation really didn't help with my understanding of the old testament. Oh btw, Tyre is still standing

>>39272291
In a "creator", sure. Nothing we can comprehend, though.

Yes, and He rewards people with courage.

I'll give you a quick insight only the pros know: Nobody believes in reality. If you were to look at what reality really was and actually understand it you would go insane. It is disgusting, tragic and you can't do anything to stop it. If you knew how society really worked you would be mad not to go insane. Atheists have little poetic thoughts to get them through day to day but commiting to God will give you enternal happiness.

>>39273418

It's always a little amusing when non-believers put forth things like the fate of the unlearned, the problem of evil, and the problem of hell as charges against the faith. Almost as if nobody has even pondered the question, and it is only now that the internet has come about when those questions get asked. There have been many doctors and theologians who pondered that question.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states thusly:

>Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

In the end, it is all speculative. We only know what has been divinely revealed about the mystery of salvation.

Who knows how God reaches out to the unlearned. All you can really know is your own situation and how God is reaching out to you. You personally have been exposed to the Gospel. You personally have been called by God. Are you going to accept it or reject it for now?

>>39273798
>Catholic church

Guess I'll just file that one away with the trash

>>39273807

What part of "upon this rock I shall build my Church" do you have trouble with?

no. if god created the universe, who created god and who created the guy who created god etc. if you are implying that god has been around forever you are implying infinity and by this definition nothing would ever exist because god couldnt have done it yet because he would have to wait for an infinite time before doing it

>>39273893
He didn't say it on a rock in Italy and he never mentioned that his mother was cosubstantial with God. Also I would hope that he occassionally spoke figuratively or else there would be a lot of auto-amputation occurring in religious circles.

>>39273939

Jesus handed the keys to Heaven over to Peter, who went on to become the Bishop of Rome. The Popes are the successors of Peter and continue his legacy as the leader of the Church. That makes sense to me.

>>39273974
Even if that made sense it still doesn't explain where a fertility goddess enters into it.

>>39274074

Many Protestant objections to Catholic teachings just come down to "how can you believe that? It isn't in the Bible."

What is the Bible? The new testament specifically? It is four extremely short biographies of Jesus, which were short pieces of prose written to convert specific populations of people, as well as a handful of letters written to churches that only addressed certain problems particular to that church.

The fact is, the New Testament was never meant to be an exhaustive documentation of the Christian faith. It is ridiculous to think that a collection of writings, none of which are written in the style of a catechism, could ever capture the full extent of divine revelation.

Everything in the Bible is divinely inspired, but it is only part of the faith.
The apostles lived in a time where ideas were not transmitted through the written word, but through speech and tradition.

The Catholic Church has preserved those traditions.
Also, the old Protestant gambit of Mary = Isis is just zeitgeist tier square peg round hole bullshit. It only came about because the early Christians disguised statues of Mary as statues of Isis during periods of persecution. There are very little differences between Mary and Isis

>>39274019
with that image of the child who was shot in nigeria, you are claiming that human suffering is evidence of there being no God

but anon, you are claiming that such an act is wrong - or more precisely 'evil' - yet if there is no God, then there is no such thing as objective evil

so as emotionally manipulative as your argument may be, if you were being consistent within your worldview you would hold that killing a child is no different than bashing one rock against another

but because you are a creation of God, endowed with a conscience by your Maker who is the ultimate moral authority; you 'know' that killing a child is abhorrent because it is an assault on another creation of God - and to wound such a little one, is an affront against all that is right


your belief that some things are objectively evil betrays your true nature, in that you intrinsically hold to a higher law outside of human convention

and if there is a higher law, then of logical necessity one must assume a Higher Law Giver

>>39273798
How is it amusing? I lost sleep over it, went into hyperventilation mode, looked on the bible with complete horror. Woke up the next day dissociated thinking I had grieved the holy spirit to a point of committing the unpardonable sin and spent the remainder of the month in alternating episodes of panic and depression. Let me just say

religion; not even twice.

>>39274263
okay then there is objective disutility that we can couch in poetic terms for added effect if you prefer

There is no God but Allah and Muhammed (PBUH) is his prophet.

>>39274254
Okay how is 2 Tim 3:16,17 interpreted/viewed then?

16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that ethe man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

>>39274308
>abbreviating venerations

Its like you want to go to hell

>>39272291
What makes more sense to you?
>we popped into existence through sheer infinite probability
>a fully sentient being popped into existence and created the entire universe through sheer force of will

>>39273222
Since when does logic and the rest of what you said not rely on the laws of nature?

>>39274294
utilitarianism is consistent within the atheist worldview, as evidenced by the genocides throughout the 20th century by socialist regimes, where they simply disposed of undesirables and counter-revolutionaries

and so i am not surprised you employ pictures of dead children to bolster your poor arguments

yet as i said, if you really think the wanton killing of a child is always wrong, then you subscribe to a morality alien to your atheism

but if you only post such pics so as to beat down soft-hearted theists, then you are a disingenuous child incapable of reasoned debate

>>39274417
>I actually think I'm only arguing with one guy the post

>>39274427
disingenuous child it is then

>>39274364
>s like you want to go to hell

I will not go to the hell

>>39274331

In no way does that support "sola fide"

It is saying that all scripture is God breathed and right, but it doesn't support the notion that scripture contains ALL elements of the faith directly.

There are some elements of the faith that come from the traditions teached by the apostles and are only hinted at in the Bible, but not directly referenced.

(also, as a side note, the word "scripture" in the passage obviously refers to the old testament, and not the new testament, since, at the time of writing, there was no new testament. So it really can't be applied to the "scripture" of the new testament. But that's neither here nor there.)

>>39274439
you don't know that. Afterall, salvation is a lottery

>>39274414
Laws of nature? Like gravity? How is that going to affect logic? Logic is transcendental. Physical nature has no bearing on logic propositions. This bears for the three classical laws of thought, or any logical proposition. An easy example always thrown out is math (basically a type of symbolic logic): in the decimal base, two plus two will always equal four, no matter what, no matter how much time passes or whatever happens in the physical realm. If humans die out, 2+2 still equals 4 in the decimal base. That'll never change.

>>39274417
>atheists killed children
>so this means its inconsistent for an atheist to be against killing children

This is your brain on smocaine

>>39274417
Using big words doesn't make you sound more intelligent. All it does is make your posts more of a pain to read. Do you have any idea how many people have been killed in the name of christianity?

One of the more well known european examples, Olaf I burned pagan temples murdered his own people. Those who refused to convert were tortured to death in horrific ways. Hmm, sounds an awful lot like another sandland death cult. Or the crusades being fought 400 years after the muslims fucked off to claim some plot of sand with no strategic value whatsoever. Or the spanish inquisition. Or the demonization and purge of cats shortly before the bubonic plague spread to europe. Or the witch trials. Or the murder of early astronomers and scientists who disagreed with the bible. Or the genocide and mass rape of native americans. Or, in the US, mutilating the genitals of little boys in an attempt to ruin sex and masturbation for them because (((YHWH))) doesn't like it when you feel good. I can go on and on for fucking ever. You can't tout morality when you've been just as shitty as every other semitic religion throughout your history.

>>39274533
Yeah, what this guy just said

>>39274274

Have you ever heard of Saint Francis de Sales?

Just like you, he also got caught up in that mode of thinking which led him to despair over his salvation and to regard his religion with horror.
Right to the point where he was bedridden, and it seriously affected his health.

He chose a different path, though. Instead of running away, he went before a statue of Our Lady and prayed a devotion. It was at that moment that the anxiety left him, and he dedicated his life to God.
You should take inspiration from heroes of the faith.

By the way, the devotion he prayed was the "Memorare":

>Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession, was left unaided.
>Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful.
>O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy, hear and answer me. Amen.

>>39274558
You must have missed the part where I mentioned Tyre is still standing.

>>39274581

From what I can gather, the city of Tyre was destroyed in ancient times, and a small fishing village also called Tyre now exists near where it once was.

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>>39272291
There used to be an old guy always sitting in a wheelchair around the corner of my apartment building who said he talked to God. Sometimes he even said he was God.

yes
>t.mussie

>>39274532
it's logically incoherent for an atheist to say killing children is objectively wrong

that's because atheists have no rational foundation for morality outside of their subjective fee fees

prove me wrong

>>39272291
Yahweh is very unlikely to exist
Allah does not exist at all
As for polytheism that is impossible beause there cannot be two infinites.

Not a biblical God, no, but certainly "a" God of some sort. Maybe nature itself is God. The fabric of existence that gave birth to us and everything that surrounds us.

The more I think about it the more I find existence weird and erratic, it has no meaning, no great goal. It just is, it could not exist but it does. We can give it any meaning we want.

>>39274606
Well that's historically inaccurate. And even still it was Nebuchadnezzar that was meant to raze it to the ground and he didn't even turn his attention to it, though he did destroy the mainland settlements

>all this reddit spacing and atheism
fuck this place is dead

JESUS IS A JEW
GOD IS AN ATHEIST

>>39274468
Okay I can see how that alone doesn't necessarily exclude all other things. What about John 17:17 though also? Is that the same scenario with not being exclusive?

Also I don't know of the exact datings but there does seem to have been a canon after Christ's death don't you think? Look at the end of 2 Peter 3, where Peter essentially calls Paul's letters Scripture.

>>39274689
Humans knew killing children was wrong for thousands of years before the mystical jewish carpenter showed up. Do you really believe any of the tenets of christianity such as; don't kill, don't rape, don't cheat on your partner, don't steal, and so on were revolutionary ideas? There's much more evil in the bible than good. Do I really need to remind you that the demonic plagues of Egypt culminated in (((YHWH))) murdering every firstborn son including children and infants? Or that he later commanded the israelites to rape the young daughters of conquered tribes and take them as their wives? Or when he got so mad at Moses for forgetting to mutilate his son's penis that he attempted to kill him (no further context), until his wife did it with a sharp rock and it was all okay. He doesn't have a good track record with children.

>>39274726
4chan was never full of christfags until recently. le desu vault autism had a lot to do with it.

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>>39274263
>yet if there is no God, then there is no such thing as objective evil
Niggers are objectively evil, but they exist without yer fucking God.
>you 'know' that killing a child is abhorrent because it is an assault on another creation of God
No, I know that killing a child is wrong because it yields to no profit, will most likely throw you in jail and goes against the barriers created by society
>your belief that some things are objectively evil betrays your true nature
So, then in Christian belief there are no objectively evil things and all of this doing good shit-going straight to heaven is BS?

>>39274740
dude, take him to galations where Paul expects the lay people of the church in galatia to know the entirety of the gospel - hence his prescription to not endure the teaching of anyone who preaches another message, even if they are an angel or more importantly, an apostle

If there's a god , he better not be Jewish god

>>39274726
Who are you quoting? You shouldn't misuse that feature if you're going to claim someone's spacing is weird.

>>39274794
sorry mate, much as i'd like to engage you on a poast i made ages ago - i've kinda moved on in the development of that argument and am awaiting on replies from dudes who were a bit quicker on the uptake

soz bro - nother time

>>39274841
"Who are you quoting" is a good old /b/ joke, but please remember that trolling is a bannable offense outside of /b/.

>>39274533
You're not getting the point. It's not "I acted good in the past so my morality is superior" (though I'm not conceding you can exactly blame even half of those things purely on the religion itself). Certain peoples' behaviors doesn't change logical truths. And the basic argument is that without an all-powerful creator to govern the world, there is no objective morality, because then it just becomes question of which human has more power that gets to decide what the morality is. No one's saying atheists can't behave to a certain moral code, but what is being said is that that atheist's moral code cannot be placed any higher than any other person's moral code. You're all just humans, no one is superior.

>>39274866
I stole this guy's dubs to prove that I'm serious, check the timestamps. >>39274867

>>39274796
Ah that's a good point. Basically the Scripture is both sufficient and exhaustive at that point for understanding God's method of salvation for His people. That helps alot, thank you brother.

>>39274796
I like how you're completely avoiding the posts that refute what you say.

>>39274848
If you're not going to say anything then why bother even replying? Even the great will isn't that retarded.

>>39274712

I have no doubt that whatever inconsistancy you are referring to has been bought up again and again. I'm sure scholars and theologians have argued back and forth for centuries over it.

I could google it right now and find plenty of resources rationalising it, and more resources rebuking that rationalisation, and more resources rebuking that rebuke.

I find a lot of American anti-Christians use the technique of taking a passage of scripture out of context, and attacking the faith with that. This is obviously because they come from Protestant backgrounds where people will defend the faith by taking a scriptural passage out of context, and using it as a weapon to defend their faith.

It's ironic how anti-Christians and Protestants use the exact same technique.

>>39274740

A Catholic apoligist who I admire very much gave this advice when arguing with Protestants: If someone tries to disprove the Church by quoting a passage of scripture at you, make him quote the fifteen passage before it, and the fifteen passages after it. Once the passage is actually in context, it takes on a very different meaning.

Taken by itself, "the word" in this context could easily be understood as "the written word". But reading through the whole of the Bible, "the word of God" is a complex idea. "the word" refers to something deeper and more mysttical than ink and paper. Jesus himself is "the word made flesh"

>>39274893
no worries bruv - i just got a little bored with the cat-wrangling and impetuously poked my nose in

>>39274895
i don't like how you use the sarcastic americanism of saying you like something when you quite plainly don't - what are you, some kind of yank?

i also don't appreciate you not checking my sweet duhbz

also; ain't seeing no refutation - just a diatribe from this dude @ >>39274756 who has provided no rational reason for calling something evil outside of his fee fees making him do a sad

>>39274918
i've said tons

you need to lurk the thread moar and catch up

>>39274968
Yes its been brought up and the ideologically motivated have dismissed it. Really penetrates the pistachios.

>>39275009
No, I was referring to your dismissal toward that shitposter's arguments. You ultimately said nothing. Although now that you mention it, you talk like a humongous faggot too. Do you kiss your father with that mouth? Because quite frankly, even I'm not that gay.
Also nice reddit spacing, it's definitely you whom needs to do the lurking. Especially if you're tripfagging for no good reason.

>>39275051
>You ultimately said nothing.

yeah, i was ignoring an irrelevant comment - what's the problem?

as for reddit spacing - the only people who complain about it are those who can't read between the lines

also; jokes on you my dad's dead

>>39275064
You didn't ignore it if you're replying, dumbass.

>>39275080
i mentioned it in passing to the anon who was telling me i was getting my butt refuted

but i can confirm that i was ignoring the flip outta it before that

>>39275116
So you didn't ignore it. Great job.

>>39275130
your approbation is appropriate - i really am very good at this, and it's smart of you to notice

>>39275064
I'll dumb it down for you since you're clearly a fucking retard.

>yahweh killed untold thousands of innocent children
>clearly, in his eyes killing innocent children is sometimes justified
How can you then rationally believe that killing children is morally wrong when your god did it on a whim? Oh wait, it's just your feefees telling you that.

>>39275172
how can you believe that anything is wrong if there is no objective good and evil?

>>39275046

I was really hesitant to discuss the matter with you since I didn't know about the subject, but also because it seemed like a petty distraction away from the real issue.

About three seconds on google bought up a whole bunch of religious and secular sources saying that Nebuchadnezza actually DID seige Tyre, and almost no sources that held up the mention of Tyre being a great, scripture shattering inconsistancy.
If you want to defend this point, go ahead, but I really think it is just a distraction from the issue.

>>39275152
No, you are quite terrible. You've been responding to irrelevant comments this whole time. But you are good at being a retard I guess. Not worth any more of my time though, after all you are abusing a tripcode for the sake of attention rather than providing any discussion with substance.
Go sit on a cross-shaped dildo christ-first, nigger.

>>39275185
Don't deflect the question.

>>39275194
That's all christfags are capable of. Filter the trip and move on.

>>39275192
yeah lol, he pistol whipped them for a tribute. Not exactly annihilating them

>>39275194
hey, if you're the anon who responded to my 'prove me wrong' with that soliloquy about big bad bible, then you're the one avoiding the issue - not me

Hard for me to say without understanding what does god even mean.

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>>39272825
What if your suffering is unbearable?

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stop being christcucks

>>39275262
then you wouldn't be here.You'd have killed yourself

>>39275262
tomas is a insufferable poopyhead who drove perssons to his death

plus there is no way he would get a woman like marta to worship him like that outside of film

still, dat diffused light doh

There's probably no god. Abiogenesis primates and evolution is almost definitely how human life appeared. Maybe god caused it though. In my opinion if there is a god it's akin to an intelligence and is ineffable beyond human cognition so any concept we have of god, like Yahweh or Allah are flawed.

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>>39275290
Will I go to hell if I masturbate to this image?

>>39275311
no, you're going to hell because you remain at enmity with your Creator

the furry stuff will just see you getting some extra punishment, eternally dying in a fire

>>39275335
Alright. If I let Jesus into my heart will he give me a furry waifu in heaven?

>>39275335
That's the hilarious thing. When you're talking about an eternal punishment in fire there really is no "extra". 2/10 eschatology, would not recommend

>>39275335
Do you believe in dinosaurs? If not you're a fucking retard because there's obvious fossil evidence proving they existed. If so you can't be a christian because they would still exist if they existed 6000 years ago like when you think glob created the universe. And really? Man created out of dust and air? Yanking a rib out to create woman? Are you fucking stupid? And why didn't the Bible talk about god creating any other planet in the solar system or about ice caps on Mars and how there are earth like planets elsewhere in the galaxy like Gliese581c? Stop being a retarded christfaggot. None of your beliefs make sense and it's hindering societys perception of reality. It's make believe and a placebo effect to make people feel better

>>39275269
I have thought about it but I try to be a disciple of Christ no matter how many times I fail.
>>39275290
Really you think that? I think Tomas was a good man but just a lost one and that his relationship with Marta was realistic.

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>>39275358
oh anon, you are completely incapable of 'letting Jesus into your heart'

that's because you are spiritually 'dead in your sins' and have no compulsion nor ability to invite He who is Life into any area of your existence

but if your Creator, Christ Jesus, wills to bring you to spiritual life, then he will give you new passions and desires

but no, no waifus for you - nor anyone - Jesus has said quite plainly that there is no marriage in Heaven
(Matt 22:30)

>>39275390
know ye not the words of Christ?
> "But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you."

the Lord spoke quite plainly on degrees of punishment

>>39275393
pic related

>>39275407
honestly bro, Winter Light is my favourite bergman film, but i find the tomas' faux religion reprehnsible in that a man who is charged to render words of life, could offer only death

i agree that he is lost, but in christian terms to be 'lost' is to be in rebellion against God - and therefore an enemy of all that is good

so yeah, he's lost - and in that he was an enemy to persson and marta, his community, and ultimately himself; because he was at enmity with his Creator

>>39275524
That sounds really fucking lame. Maybe Satan will give me one then.

>>39275524
I'm agnostic not atheist, but I am an atheist towards Yahweh Jehovah and Allah. Matter didn't always exist and it won't always exist, its not eternal. And you didnt answer my question about dinosaurs or outerspace you just diverted to calling me a stupid atheist which shows me that you have no real argument or explanation for your stupid beliefs

>>39275555
quads confirm satan gives furry waifus for all

>>39275558
what you have to remember anon, is that while for you this is a cathartic entertainment of taking on a big bad christian in your sekret klubhauz, i've seen that same comment ad infinitum, ad nauseam and frankly poasters like you are a diamond dozen in this doggy doggy world of the imageboards so i'm quite happy to dismiss your memeology with some of my own

soz not soz - because to put it frankly, this here reply you're reading is also pasta that's how common your scatter-gun argumentation is

>>39275524
I never said it wouldn't hurt but clearly its going to hurt just as much for John Wayne Gacy being eternal immolation and all.

>>39275625
You'd think if multiple people are making the same argument maybe it has some validity to it. Faggot.

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>>39275524
>i agree that he is lost, but in christian terms to be 'lost' is to be in rebellion against God - and therefore an enemy of all that is good
I think that's a pretty large leap. As much as I love God I have had my own personal struggles with his will and his nature. I think it's almost natural that the creation rebel against the creator don't you? In a state like his can you blame him for only being able to offer up words of death? Not everyone is up for this little game we call existence. I just think before we start marking people as the enemy of good we offer them comfort.

>>39275632
i'm saying this sincerely, anon - Jesus disagrees

both Christ and the apostles spoke of degrees of punishment in eternity, in much the same way that they spoke of degrees of reward for the believers

i'm sorry if you think i'm being harsh, but honestly i don't know how you've come to that conclusion if you are dealing with the source material rightly

>>39275633
by that logic, if all the christians are saying Jesus is Lord, then maybe you should listen to them, yeah?

>>39275693
>I think it's almost natural that the creation rebel against the creator don't you?

the scripture holds that all mankind is naturally in rebellion against Christ - and it is only when Christ Himself arrests the rebel and brings him to submission, that he is brought from spiritual death to spiritual Life

but since man is naturally at enmity with God, then he is in an enemy of He who is Life - and so as the scripture says; natural man is in love with death

but believe me anon, i only restate what Christ has said about mankind throughout the Old Testament and the New - for Christ has marked all mankind as entirely wicked in our every imagination and intent

and yet, as Christ commanded all his disciples of which every believer is amongst the number; they must love their enemies just as Jesus loved His enemies to the point of dying for them

and the most loving thing i can impart to a fallen rebellious world is that they are under God's righteous judgement for having declared war upon Him - but that same God offers rescue from His wrath to all those who bow the knee in repentant submission and place their trust in Christ

>>39275814
Knew you were going to say that. But no, some things that a majority of people are true, like the sky is blue, or gravity exists is actually true. Like atheists pointing out all these holes in your mythology that you willfully ignore. But historically people have been wrong, like thinking the earth is flat. That is Christianity. It is in fact a mythology just like ancient Greek or Egyptian religions and it WILL die out in a thousand years and be regarded as another set of superstitious beliefs that ancient men once believed in and worshipped. It seems to me like you have no arguments or counterarguments and your just using memery. It's showing your belief doesn't hold up against logic.

if god allow the evil of the world to happen , then why worship him ?

if god rewards pious people then why do muslims live in terrible living conditions and perpetual wars ?

why are we supposed to believe in religions that happened in 1% of the entire earth (middle east) and should be adopted by everyone in he world ?

what about native American people who never heard of g*d before , will they go to hell too ?

>>39275814
because the concept of eternity kind of works that way. I mean sitting in a plastic chair for eternity, even that would be a hell.

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stop worshiping Jewish goat herders fairytales

>>39275882
basically because he is going to roast your ass if you dont. And when you do start worshipping him be sure to deflect any accusations that you do so as "fire insurance". I mean who could you really love more than the enigmatic figure who threatens you and everyone you love with incomprehensible torment?

>>39272291
Yeah there is , Orignaldo

yes there is , OP. the Christian God is the only God.

>>39272291
Nope. And I know this for a FACT. You simply just have to open your eyes and see the world as it is. And I say world loosely, I mean just everything. The limitations, the logic, the history, the now . Everythingproves God doesn't exist and that there is nothing beyond death

I'd like to see a gaytheist explain the shroud of turin.

We don't know enough about the universe to even come close to a definite answer about its creation, so I feel it's best to refrain from throwing yourself onto one of the unspeakable amount of potential options we simply don't have the means to know about yet. After all, even if you do believe in a god, which one of the hundreds of thousands of them which are stated to exist are correct? Can all of them exist? Some gods claim that they are the only God which exists, so is there a God of gods which actually mediates which gods exist even if other gods say there can be only one?
Fucking hell.