ITT we discuss confederate statutes

Tear em down who gives a shit

Most of them were put up in the last couple decades by a bunch of butthurt racists whose grandpappy never got over losing and wanted participation trophies

It's like putting up statues of American soldiers in Vietnam to "preserve history"

Makes no sense

>>39214246
no. they aren't as culturally important as say the meopatamian religious statues that were destroyed by ISIS, but they are still history, and especially because they are history that shouldn't be repeated we should have reminders of them. If you absolutely think they should be in a museum instead of public property, even though we aren't paying for statues that are already built, then move them instead of destroying them.

>>39214246
They shouldn't be destroyed
but if they are on federal land then yeah take them down and move them else where

>>39214246
That's a statue of a traitor. I don't understand why a proud American patriot would want it to be kept.

>>39214316
this dumb meme again
stop being a faggot

>>39214332
Then explain to me how the Confederates aren't traitors. Didn't they fight against the United States?

>>39214246
No, unless Europe stops existing.

>>39214471
it's a famous quote.
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it
removing knowledge of history actively damages the future.

>>39214501
How does a context-less statue mean knowledge?

>>39214246
They should be removed and sold at auction.

>>39214513
>duhhh statues don't have plaques or anything
>duhhh statues never provoke people to look in to a topic further

>>39214513
it's more knowledge than a pile of dust. how would we know about hieroglyphics if the rosetta stone was destroyed? how would we know about ancient babylonian mythology if their stuff wasn't etched in stone?

People will forget eventually stuff eventually, and we need as much info to not be lost as possible before everything is on the internet.

>>39214246
They shouldn't be torn down for the same reason we shouldn't tear down statues of people like Lenin or Stalin. They're a piece of history that bear as a reminder of the past, we should remember the bad as well as the good.

Similarly not every Confederate soldier was an evil plantation owner same as not every German soldier was a war criminal. The lives they lost deserve to be remembered just as much as anyone elses.

racist losers who plunged the nation in death and war don't deserve statues

Union had more than enough heroes that deserve recognition

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Who are about what happened hundreds of years ago.
We are living through history right now.

They should be replaced by Trump.

>>39215405
>idealizing a draft dodger, privileged, incestual, phony who manage to bankrupt a casino of all things

really anon?

Don't tear them down. The vast majority of people don't want them to come down. They are there to remind us of what happened. Look at ISIS in the middle east. They are destroying old pieces of Mesopotamian history by toppling statues. Now, they are pushing to remove Mt. Rushmore and take down Lincoln's statue because Lincoln said that blacks were inferior, yet he still freed them.

But then again, these people toppling them think that ISIS is fighting western oppression and white supremacy. They don't say they support them directly, but in the back of their mind, they do. They think you can stop ISIS by "killing them with love." These people are just ignorant on how the world works. They come from rich, white family and want to "dismantle" their own system. It's all just virtue signaling.

no
leave them there as a reminder

Statues did nothing wrong .

I

>>39215602
>LOOK AT NORTH KOREA WITH ALL THEIR STATUES OF GLORIOUS LEADERS

>LETS PROTECT OUR OUTDATED LEADER STATUES THO

why are the west such hypocrites

>>39215664
We're not calling for NK to remove their statues. It's quite different there than here. Their leaders are literally God to their people. Us, not so much. It's part of history. What's wrong with preserving it?

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Sure right after we get rid of this.

>>39215696
>let's keep shitty role models for the sake of tradition xD

uhuh

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of course not, liberal faggots will always bitch and moan no matter how much alt-lite faggots want to appease them. better stand up to them now then later.

>>39215750
>Shitty role models

So who is a good role model to you? Elliot Rodger?

>>39214246
Glad I decided to click the link because I was about to send the same video.

>>39214246
Yes. No monuments to high treason.

It's like celebrating nazis

get rid of them

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>>39215821
>British descended people living on British soil
>Revolt cause muh tea tax
>FUCKING TRAITOR CONFEDERATES REEEEEEEEe

>>39214246
They are public statues, if the public want to pay for them, why should they be torn down? Just put it to a vote. Anyone taking action right now is subverting democracy.

>>39214246
I don't see the issue with them, a cultural shift shouldn't be enough to tear down things that meant something to people. Democratic vote, however, should be enough which is why I don't think the Charlottesville protest was warranted, the people who actually lived there wanted it removed so it should be removed. They pay their taxes to their town so they should have a right to decide what's in their town.

On a side note, I liked the idea of putting them in museums, straight up destroying them seems very wrong to me and my kin fought for the Union.

Why would you tear them down? Just because a bunch of retards on a racism witch hunt think trend they have no meaning but muh oppression doesn't mean it's true. Lee was the greatest general to ever exist in this country and you're simply a fag if you deny this.

>>39215454
STFU libcuck

>>39215861
>muh tea tax
Please read more, anon.

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>>39214294
>redneck racists

That makes about as much sense as calling a black person a racist nigger

Antifa gtfo

Also (you)

>>39214592
We would know because it's taught in school. The statues aren't that important.

>>39214246
If they were to be torn down it should have been done years ago, what changed that made the statues suddenly so dangerous / hateful? only thing that changed was SJW / Feminist morons ran out of shit to bitch about so now they go after some civil war era statues ironically inciting another civil war in the process

>>39215920
That anon specifically doesn't actually say redneck.

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>>39215852
Ok Mr goldstein

>>39215852
>people were forcefully drafted to fight against their own brothers and family
>statues made in memory of their sacrifices
>"dat statue racis, tear it down!"
America, the country where the most offended person is right

if people voted for them to be torn down then they should be. you live in a democracy and if you pitch a fit every time you lose you are going to wear yourself out mewling.

Sure why not, while we're at it, lets destroy all war relics of the Axis side of WWII because they were the bad guys too after all.

The pyramids and great wall of china were also built by slaves.
Should they be torn down too?

>>39216192
None of the Confederate statues were built by slaves.

They're displayed in public and are public property so if the public doesn't want them in positions of prominence I guess that's their right. Sentiments change with the times

Destroying them is unnecessary though, I personally think they should be put in museums

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>>39215821
go ahead and tear down the statue of liberty and anything of George Washington as well, since they symbolize the thirtreen colonies' betrayal of Britain.

No. You shouldn't just attempt to erase or sanitise your past like some kind of Stalinist drone. Put up informative signs explaining the context of the American Civil War and the historical personage being depicted; put up civil rights/abolitionist monuments adjacent to the statues so people have a more rounded view of their local history. If people feel like you're trying to repress their history or identity they'll react negatively and your efforts will backfire.

>>39215736
Why do we have monuments to these losers anyways?

I don't care about the monuments of confederate generals, although some of them were great men who should be remembered, they were traitors and keeping them up stirs up so much shit apparently. But taking down monuments to confederate soldiers is completely unnecessary, many countries have monuments to their enemies out of respect and remembrance, but especially for the civil war where they weren't ordinary "enemies" they were regular citizens who went to fight and die for the CSA, they should be kept up at no matter what.

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>>39214246
Trump had the best idea. Just put them in a damn museum. You want to see statues, then they are there, and if you don't, then you don't.

>>39214294
I can't remember the last time Reddit got here so quickly.

>>39214316
>>39214471
It was their legal right to leave but the feds ignored the law and justified it with the attack on Fort Sumter.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The United States have been dead for 156 years. We live under the rule of treason.

>>39215906
patton, nimitz, ike, pershing, and sherman would ALL like words with you.

>>39215226
Should Nazi flags still hang outside of the Riechstag? I agree to keep the statues, but I think your argument doesn't make much sense. Keeping statues of a cause shows respect for it. I respect the spldiers on both sides of the civil war, so they should be preserved. Both sides fought for their countrymen admirably, no need to demonize America's greatest soldiers and generals who fought over the fabric of the nation.

I'm no sympathizer to the traitorous confederate cause, and I think the muh southern pride are a bunch of faggots.

However, enacting a Damnatio Memoriae is just stupid. We have statues of Lenin in Seattle and donations of Romulus and Remus from Mussolini. It's not a far extrapolation to carry it to the founding fathers, except for Hamilton because he was once played by a black guy in a somewhat decent musical.

>>39214316
I could say the same about Washington, the CSA were fighting for independence

>>39216535
Something like 22 statues of lee have gone up since 2000 in different American states. This isn't like they are trying to remove some historical 1880s monument. Regardless, the south lost, they were racist, and they are in public. Put them in a museum. *indiana jones music playing*

>>39217923
I 100% agree
Destroying representations of an idea because you oppose it is not something that represents freedom of expression

If it is federal land do as you please and rip it down if you want

>violently removing government funded (read: TAX PAYER funded) statues
>violently removing privately funded (read: committing criminal property damage) statues
>caring about inanimate objects and idealismsms more so than actual people
>actively spending your time to hurt rather than spending it to help
>larping as Beeldenstormers from Netherlands during reformation or some other retards destroying art because "muh special snowflake personal god don't like dat surely"
>larping as some commie idiots with "other values than you :P" attitude
>not just using the best of the statues and google some history behind them instead of focusing solely on the negative things and try to kill kill destroy muhaha and flatten the terrain to be as bland as your cognitive capacity

Disdain for plebs.jpg

Why is no one refuting the slippery-slope argument by just saying "OK"?
>Jefferson Davis? Why don't we take down Thomas Jefferson then too??
>Ok
>wait no I was just saying- I don't want it removed
>yeah nobody does
They are moving the goalposts by arguing a problem that doesn't exist.

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>>39214246
No, we shouldn't.

Whether we like it or not, the Civil War happened, and it helps humans to have a physical representation of things to remember things. Especially history or spiritual things, things that are hard to grasp with our very physically inclined minds. That's why Catholics pray the rosary, it gives us something to hold on to.

Also, these are mostly monuments to the lost soldiers, you know, the ones that died horrible deaths (mostly, around 50% of deaths were directly from musketry around 5% were from cannons, and the rest were "unknown", meaning disease or they got lost or eaten and then died, or disease. Not great deaths). It's not like the Union was going "Please, don't make me kill you, we just want blacks freed!" and the southerners were all going "What, you mean niggers? Fuck niggers, I don't want them free, hahahahaha", and then they got shot and said "OH NO NOW NIGGERS WILL BE FREE NOOOO".

They were people. Human beings. Whether we want to admit that to ourselves or not.

And I question whether the people who jerk off to these statues getting torn down are considering that in 100 years they will be considered just as backwards as these people in some shape or form.

Of course they don't, they're arrogant. They believe that they have the final answer when the truth is, there is no final answer. Their statues will get torn down just as quickly as these peoples.

And the problem is, it makes me have to sympathise with modern-day nazis and racists. I don't want to do that. I'm sympathising with people from 150 years ago that didn't know better because they grew up where it was okay to have slaves, and they fought a war against, what they considered (and somewhat rightfully so) to be a tyrannical government.

And as Donald Trump said, it's a slippery slope. There are already people calling for Washington statues to be torn down. After all, he owned slaves.

It's almost as if all these people want to do is feel important and revolutionary.

>>39220176
catholics use rosaries because they're idolic faggots though

>>39217231
Secession is not a legal right, ESPECIALLY if that involves comandeering property of the US Government, including Ft. Sumpter.

>>39220083
Because what you said makes no sense.

>>39220205
Okay well at least we have a connection to Christ.

Just sayin'.

>>39216048
>you live in a democracy
No.

>>39220299
are you talking about the wooden beads or the connection that rapes young lads in the butt?

>>39220277
No one wants to remove George Washington statues because normal, reasonable people recognize the difference in the statues' respective messages.

>>39220346
What's the difference in the message?

>>39216467
if he had lost and we remained under the british crown, you think they would have put up a statue of him?

I don't have a problem with removing and dismantling them. If it's on tax-funded property, then keeping them around gives the impression that state or federal government ideologically aligns itself with Confederate values. Likewise, I don't think court houses or public schools should put up ideological displays such as the Ten Commandments.

I think people opposed to their removal are worried about the government encroaching on freedom of expression or association, but that's not the issue here. No one can stop you from hoisting a Confederate flag outside your home on your privately owned property. This is simply a matter of divorcing these ideologies from the state.

>>39220409
Maybe not, but that's why we're better than the Brits.

>>39220370
George Washington the public figure means much different things than General Lee the public figure. If you want to argue that they're similar because they were both slave owners, I think that fact it much more salient considering Lee's accomplishments than Washington's.
The reason people don't like General Lee isn't because he was a slave owner, it is because of what he represents as the military leader of a regime largely defined by its fondness of slavery and, more importantly, the "natural order" of the subjugation of black persons.

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Robert E. Lee didn't believe in slavery, didn't believe in secession, but he fought for Virginia because it was his home and he was loyal. It would be different if his statue had been in Washington DC or something, it would be different if there had never been a statue, but for Virginia, the state he risked his life and livelihood for, to repay his loyalty by tearing down his statue and basically publicly shaming his memory is pretty fucking bad imo.

But history is written by the victors, as they say. I'm sure he's not the only honorable man to be demonized because he was on the loosing side.

>>39215884
>Anyone taking action right now is subverting democracy.

We're a constitutional republic, not a democracy. It would be our elected officials who ultimately decide on our behalf to remove these monuments.

If this were a democracy in the sense that you seem to think a democracy functions, then a tyranny of the majority would criminalize everything unpopular. There would be no constitutional rights.

>>39214501
>removing knowledge of history

The Civil War is still taught. Is not having statues celebrating all of our other adversaries "removing knowledge of history" too?

>>39220331
Nice meme, I was talking about apostolic succession, but I can see how your arrogance got in the way.

Out of curiosity, what denomination? I can't imagine it's even Lutheran or early Protestant. It's probably Mormon.

>>39220454
We're talking about the difference in the message of the statues though, not the individual details of each person's history. I do not think the Lee statue is meant to symbolize the man's fondness for slavery. If you want to give people that kind of liberty in interpretation as far as Lee's statue goes, then yes, you have to do the same with a Washington statue and let them look at it and see a monument to a slave owner who was racist to blacks. I think it's legitimate to do that by the way, I just think it's retarded to let any old chucklehead apply their interpretation to such a degree that want to destroy it.

This country went to shit the second non-whites got the green light that being destructive pieces of shit was the acceptable thing to do and that if you feel wronged, the only course of action you have is to form a mob and protest.

Protesting is the LAST thing you do, it's supposed to be the LAST resort you have because all other means were exhausted. Now we've got people protesting because of retarded shit and getting violent and rioting because they want to. Just look at Boston this past week. People went there to protest FOR free speech because free speech is under attack in this country. The left wants speech they don't like silence, through force if necessary. And look what happened there, a mob of 20,000 leftists went and beat up a little old lady because she stands for free speech and is a Trump supporter.

This country is doomed to fail and die because the values this country was founded on and traditional American values are being destroyed and trampled all because white Americans don't want to hurt the feelings of non-whites.

>inb4 muh hate speech

You're on fucking 4chan, one of the only sites on the internet where you can freely speak your mind. You want 4chan gone as well?

>>39216535
>You shouldn't just attempt to erase or sanitise your past

You clearly missed the point. No one's proposing erasing the American Civil War from history books. They disagree with public spaces containing monuments to figures who fought to enforce slavery. These are not figures to be honored. That doesn't mean anyone is going around pretending the Confederacy never existed, or that the subject shouldn't be taught in public schools. The only time this would be a problem is if public schools were instructed to indoctrinate children with pro-Confederate sentiment, or some shit.

If these statues deserve to come down because they represent racism, bigotry, and the Confederacy, then why should we live under a constitution written by slave-holding white supremacists? Why should the White House be allowed to stand when it was built by slaves? Even Michelle Obama said that the White House was a symbol of white supremacy. Why should America even be allowed to exist, since it's founding were with slaves?

You can't argue for one without the other.

>>39220595
I can agree with everything here, but don't you think it's a little in poor taste and offensive to a lot of people who simply see a different message in the statues?

>>39220707
It doesn't matter what they see, because that's not what it is.

>>39220666
>The only time this would be a problem is if public schools were instructed to indoctrinate children with pro-Confederate sentiment, or some shit
How anyone sees something like this and doesn't see it as a milestone towards the politicization of the Civil War towards anti-Confederate sentiment is beyond me.

>>39220707
That would affect my decision if I was a politician, but I'm not. I understand how the situation came to pass, I just don't like it.

Yeah theyre ugly, lets have a statue with some tits

>>39220769
Samefag here. Put big titties on stonewall jackson

They honor the sacrifices and legacy of people who fought for their ideals.
Can't get more American, really.

itt: people who dont understand that museums exist

nobody bitches about holocaust museums displaying nazis/swastikas because thats what theyre fucking for. Its a different story to have a statue of hitler in the middle of a town square celebrating his achievements. jesus people you can "preserve muh history!!!" without offending the public.

>>39214246
>should they be torn down Y/N and why?

Yes
Accelerationism

>>39220815
the public deserves to be offended

>>39220721
It does matter. Robert E Lee isn't alive so the only thing that matters at all is how the citizens of townsville, usa, see the giant statue in their town.

>>39214246
I'm only a dirty Yankee but I legitimately never got why statues of failed separatists were erected in the first place

>>39220868
because johnson fucked up reconstruction and muh southern pride and lost cause bullshit didn't die with the confederacy

>people unironically think that the Civil war was one side wanted to kill niggers and the other side said no, you can't kill niggers

Kek, and they want to say that they don't see things in black and white terms.

>>39220858
Then why is he wrong about calling people retarded in that town for seeing something he doesn't see?
>>39220868
Because the Civil War wasn't like some war in the Middle East in a country most Americans couldn't point to on a map.

>>39214246
Just put them in a fucking museum or something if it means that much to you. Either way I find the autistic screeching to be completely retarded because it's beyond ridiculous to be this butt hurt over a fucking statue. Out of all the shit to worry about its this that gets people to form a lynch mob around some Indian guy in Boston. What a world.

>>39220887
The country was only 60 years old at the time. The country is only 200 years old today. California wants to leave the union. I don't think people here realize what was happening at the time. If the local people want their local statue removed, then that's their decision. But you can't nationalize this debate.

>>39220906
>I want thing
>I don't want thing, but you can have it your way and I'll never talk about it again
Nothing works this way.

>>39220906
It's because the modern day left and non-whites hate America and want it destroyed. Al Sharpton argued that the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials needed to be torn down on PBS.

>>39220947
dude, these statues are of people who literally tried to destroy the union through force of arms. yeah, i don't like the whole "everything is racist" angle either, but these guys were the very definition of traitors.

>>39220815
>Its a different story to have a statue of hitler in the middle of a town square celebrating his achievements
Confederate monuments were built specifically to serve this purpose. We're using public spaces, funded by our tax dollars, to maintain honorary symbols of Confederate figures.

I probably couldn't care less if they were moved to a private museum for preserving this kind of ideology. A public, tax-funded museum? No. I also couldn't care less if they were auctioned off to private properties. Just get them out of public spaces and stop wasting my tax dollars to maintain them.

>>39220987
I'm sure Al was motivated by his patriotism and disdain for treachery

>>39220987
you think that's why they're getting taken down? lol. it's because they're "symbols of racism" to retarded normies who only know the high school version of history.

>>39220897
>Then why is he wrong about calling people retarded in that town for seeing something he doesn't see?
The distaste for these memorials is legitimate and defensible. It's can't be rejected wholesale simply because it doesn't fit a certain worldview.

>>39221005
of course he wasn't. my point to you was that you can be opposed to these statues for far more than bullshit racial reasons.

>>39214246

I can see where the people who want them taking down are coming from.

Having said that, I don't much care one way or the other. I grew up reading and watching a lot of movies about the Civil War. While I recognize that the Confederacy was supportive of slavery, I view the monuments of Southern soldiers and generals as being a part of American military heritage rather than testaments to racism.

Nevertheless, some people have made compelling arguments about how Confederate statues were erected at times of racial discord and meant to intimidate African-Americans or support segregationist agendas.

I don't really give a fuck, though.

Guess it's best to take them down and put them in museums, but I couldn't be assed to stand for one side or the other.

>>39217966
Right, so why would the Brits want to build a statue of George Washington? Same thing.

>>39221025
Well great, it's legitimate. So is my viewpoint, and so is the other anon's. The statue has to either go down or stay up, it can't remain in some Gertrude's cat state of limbo. My problem with what you said is that you seem to be asserting that who is right and wrong is determined by the outcome of the event. Enough people are offended, regardless of whether they should or shouldn't be, so therefore they are right and the statues should go down. That's such a political mindset it baffles me. Like I said, people like me already know HOW shit like this comes to pass, we just don't like it.

>>39221031
Yeah, but we're talking about how the issue even got public attention and got heated, which is because of Sharpton.

>>39221094
No but they might build one of Oliver Cromwell teehee.
One interpretation of having monuments to the Civil War, including the opposing side, is to acknowledge that we got through the growing pains of building a more perfect union together. If you view the statues as purely historical markers and, they make sense to keep around.
However we know that's largely a guise and they were erected in the early 20th to be a symbol of power from the established class. "We may have lost the war, but we still control the land" is one of their main messages.

>>39220987
Again, you don't understand. The Confederates wanted to leave the Union. The Unionists didn't want to let them go. The country was ONLY 60 years old at that point, literally still in it's infancy. After the Union won, they wanted to unify the country and celebrate both sides as America.

Today, California wants to leave the country because of Trump. The country is only 200 years old. There is no guaranteeing that the country will survive another 200. And I DONT see it surviving because the left is destroying what built the nation, the very foundations of this country. They are trying to erode away and re-define what the Bill of Rights are. They want to censor "hate speech", they want guns only in the hands of government, they want criminals to be presumed guilty before a fair trail of their peers, they think law and justice is only fair if you are judged by people that are the same race as you and policed by people the same race as you.

The modern day left is anti-American.

If I was rich I would build a bunch of based Confederate statues just to troll people.

>tfw richfags would rather waste their money on stupid shit like horses and boats

>>39221094
Why would americans have statues of defeated indians?

The statues themselves are not the important thing its the feeling behind their removal. They are symbols of the past, and symbols of white people. Its was the same when soviets destroyed the things of the capitalist past. They are trying to build a new world and racism of any kind has no place there, and the same will happen to monuments of people that could be considered sexist, or ableist or whatever they are reminders of a non utopic past.

>>39221244
Please do additional reading on the actions of South Carolina preceding the war before you equate modern-day california with them

>>39221244
>The country was ONLY 60 years old at that point,
more like 80, but ok
>Today, California wants to leave the country because of Trump.
no one takes that shit seriously, and if they really tried it, they would get (rightly) curbstomped just like the secessionists of old.

>>39221138
I'm saying that as art, their intended purpose, even conceding that they were erected as monuments to noble values, isn't important. What matters at all is what these people think; that itself defines what the statue means today.

>>39221334
I'm not equating them, I'm saying the sentiment is similar. And California is fighting federal law by being lax on illegal immigration and having sanctuary cities.

>inb4 hurr state rights

Only the federal government controls immigration policy and those immigrants can enter California and then scatter all across the country. California is a Mexican colony.

>>39221367
It's funny how the left hates states rights and secessionists except when they do it, then it's okay and they're heroic.

>Statues put up almost 100 years after the Civil War
>Put up to protest the civil rights movement
It's up to southerners to decide if they should stay or not, and as it is now, it seems they've decided they should be taken down. You can say that's just liberal bias, but the fact is liberals are the majority of the population these days.

>>39221411
good thing i'm not a leftist and have never been in favor of states rights whiners

Not the Robert E Lee ones

>>39215975
Never heard it put so perfectly. So sad and so true

>>39216165
>Hates what this country was built upon
>wants to destroy monuments based on important figures in our history
>Still accepts welfare check
>????

>>39215975
The vast majority are monuments to the leadership

>>39221411
You don't even know what a sanctuary city is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSW0id36FA
faggot niggers

I'm asian and I am against the removal of the statues. I don't mind the confederate flag being flown over a government building or the confederate soldiers and heroes who fought for states rights over what they thought was an overbearing centralized federal government. I like the rebel spirit and I feel the government and the various agencies are way too powerful and pervasive in our lives now.

But the violence perpetrated by the violent left shows we need another fucking civil war to cleanse ourselves from this cancer.

>>39222860
>being a basic bitch libertarian who thinks the civil war was only about muh states rights
Slavery was one of the main reasons, because the South's economy depended on it.

I supported the Confederacy, but I am not a PC libertarian cuck about it

>>39222924
Are you asian though?

hmmm... no?
yeah, I didn't think so

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>>39214246
N

Even if you disagree with the message, the monuments are important in retaining a historical reminder of past wrongdoings. Should the recreation of Auschwitz concentration camp be torn down because it represents one of the most infamous regimes in contemporary history? Of course not, both examples serve to highlight (or at the very least, remain aware of) past mistakes - and to guide us away from a similar event occurring.

Civilisations will come and go, and with them a new volume of atrocities, violations, and obscenities, airbrushing history does not remove these problems, it only heightens our ignorance towards them.

>>39222924

Well as an asian it's practically hard coded in my genetics to dislike black people so the issue of slavery and niggers getting butthurt about it to this day makes me laugh. I'm not PC and I'm not a libertarian. Slavery was important to the South's economy but it eventually would have been replaced as technology and machinery advanced.

States rights and legitimacy of the federal government were the big unknowns before the Civil War started. The issue of slavery was just a catalyst. I mean if you look at primary historical documents from Robert E. Lee and other important figures during that time you would see that they didn't really like the idea of slavery in general.

>>39214246
I honestly don't care if they get torn down, but I think the locals should vote on it rather than having a mob of angry college children do it.

>>39214316
I am not a ((proud patriot)) I hate this union and am an unwilling member, go fuck yourself you ZOG slave.

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>>39220235
Yes it is retard. And did you catch that part where I said they were justified by Fort Sumter?
We speak English on this website. Learn it, redditor. >>39215861

>>39224240
They aren't even college students. They're communists and other hired help from all over, formally known as "agitators." Paid by George Soros to destabilize America.

>>39214246
I don't see the big obsession with statues. Tear them all down, for all I care.

They seem like a waste of federal funds and space anyway.

>>39223916
comparing apples and oranges. Usually statues of people give the effect of idolizing them.

>>39214316
>to the soldiers of
>the soldiers

The statue is a monument to people who fought and died in a war - i suppose the poor people who were conscripted against their will should just go get fucked because it's current year right?

>>39214246
Yes.

We should also burn books that contain evil history.

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When can we tear down some FDR statues? It's a slap in the face of Japanese-Americans to honor the monster who locked up countless innocent Japanese-Americans due to racist hysteria.

In public places they should be torn down and replaced with the founding fathers as a testament as to what a unified group of little can do. Making this about niggers is stupid.

>>39214246
If a local government votes to erect or tear down a statue I don't care and neither should anyone who doesn't live in that community.

>>39216467
The constitution was written by slave owners. We should get rid of that too.

>>39214246
Where was this racism against Bronze statues a year ago?

>>39225494
japanese-americans deserve slaps in the face until they become the cuteboys and women we've been trying to pressure them into becoming for centuries

>>39215920
But there are an awful lot of racist niggers anon.

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Give the poor inbred bastards a break

>>39225606
to be fair, if thousands of people died, the "losers shouldn't get participation trophies" thing is kinda completely invalid
people among whom were those who didn't own slaves

I'm from NC, for example, and our state gave the most soldiers to the Confederacy while we didn't have a single representative in the Confederate government; NC has also historically been much more composed of yeoman (non-slaving owning, small farm) farmers, which is why the state only really boomed with the introduction of milltowns.

on both sides were those who were completely fucked over by mongoloid leaders to whom war was a distant thing; reminisces of people that sat on fields overlooking battles to watch them

>>39225606
That picture deeply upsets me, but I will resist the urge to autisticly mansplain why I disagree with it.
Good day.

>>39225744
>resist autism
>ignores OP

>>39217420
"muh numbers" - sherman in almost every battle

>>39214316
>t. Civic nationalist

>>39216048
nope, did you pay attention in school? There are protections from the founding fathers from "tyranny of the majority"

p.s. hillary will never be president

>>39226391
it is academic since the elective representatives voted to have them removed, so your safegaurds failed you anyway

>>39226421
I meant to quote that you said America was a democracy

I don't know why you think I support the statue, or don't, I'm actually indifferent

>>39226492
oh, well it is a representative democracy, sorry to have blustered your grade school programming, but if you are going to accchhhhtttuuaally me I did not aaaccchhhtttuaally misspeak by saying the people live in a democracy. Go fuck yourself for trying to sound smart when you are not to be honest.

>>39226705
>Say it with me: Madame President Clinton

>>39226732
S-she won goddamnit, it was her time, we wouldn't have any of these problems if only the republic federation of hunters and anglers functioned morally >:(