MBTI thread

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>>39018370
Just took the test, I can somewhat contain my autism in public to a certain degree. Generally I'm usually a boring person with nothing interesting to say in conversations besides practical shit.

>>39018431
>Just took the test,
16 memes test is shitty one. Better do cognitive functions one.

>>39018370
>ISTJ
>evil

but we're not

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>>39018539
You're right. ISTJ are neutral.

>>39018552
Honestly, we're too good for this world

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>>39018370
ISTP 5w9 here.

I love laughing since it distracts me from my misanthropic depression - I like some people, but a lot of people get on my fucking nerves, especially when they're driving.

I spend most of my time daydreaming regardless if I'm working or typing on the computer.

I'm spacing my sentences because I'm high on Percocet, so it's hard to concentrate right now.

I had surgery a few months ago and I'm developing seroma near the wound, which is annoying as fuck.

I didn't have any ibuprofen nearby so I took it.

>>39018810
Oh, yeah, _STP anthem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISy0Hl0SBfg

ISFP reporting in. What's everybody doing today? I might play some guitar, maybe read a little more today.

>>39018431
>only 56% introverted
>>39018552
I'm an ISFJ and scored True Neutral on such an alignment test

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>take keys2cognition test (again...)
>complete it : ISFP
>changes some things I'm not really sure of (typical Fi things, apparently) : ISTJ

...I don't even know if it's a Si-Fi loop or a Fi-Si loop.

>>39018992
If you've got Si in there, you're much more likely an INFP than ISFP. Tell me a little bit about yourself, maybe I can help.

>>39019011
Don't really know what to say

INFP you say?

I'm not really sure if I'm an INFJ.....
what does it exactly mean to be "traditional"?

>>39019055
INFP stack is Fi>Ne>Si>Te. If you see Fi and Si in your stack then your type is most likely this or ISTJ.

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>>39019011
Does it help? (second test today)

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This should be useful for some of you.

>>39019134
Yea, I'm kinda Fi but I'm more Si

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>>39019192
You 're able to have both.

>>39019205
I was talking about dominant functions

>>39018810
>5w9 here
No, you can only be 5w4 or 5w6.

>>39019192
If you relate to both of them then you might be ISTJ in Si-Fi loop or INFP Fi-Si loop. You could look to which you relate less - Te or Ne.

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>>39019234
6 is my third enneagram.

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>>39019252
You're 5w6.

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>>39018370
>INTP
>Chaotic evil
What? I want to DESTROY evil and punish everyone who tries to stop me from doing that

>>39018370
>Feelers good
>Thinkers evil
haha

>>39019248
>You could look to which you relate less - Te or Ne.

err...I don't think I'm really Te...but I'm even less Ne

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>>39018370
ESTJ reporting in.. Feelsgoodman

>>39019390
That would make you ISTJ if you relate to Ne less.

>>39019581
Still, I think my 'Fi' function is dangerously close to my 'Si' function

Is it true ISTJ are often subjective and have a strong sense of justice?

>>39019606
>Is it true ISTJ are often subjective and have a strong sense of justice?
That's where it's get interesting. ISTJ are not subjective they are objective because of Te (extroverted thinking). If you're close to Si and Fi then you might be in loop and you probably cant see Te in yourself. And yes, ISTJ have their inner set of justice and rules.

>>39019628
So I'm 'subjective' (actually, I tend to say 'this sucks', for example, but then I say 'I mean I don't like it') because my Fi function is more developed than my Te function?

>And yes, ISTJ have their inner set of justice and rules.

Yes, I have a particular sense of justice, in my opinion, and I don't raIly appreciate every law. For example, I live in a country where you can have problems with justice if you say some 'racist' or 'intolerant' things. And I think it should not be a thing because it doesn't hurt anyone, it just hurts 'huuur muh feelings'. I only want people who hurt and 'threaten' other people's lives (rapists, violent people, killers, stalkers, thieves, robbers...) to go to jail.

As for rules, I think it's always good to have rules to follow but I also want them to allow me to do things efficiently (when I have to work, for example, I don't like rules that will compromise my former approach, idea or method)

>>39019748
You could read this and see whenever it hits close.
http://www.typeinmind.com/site/
And check if you're in loop.
ISTJ Si-Fi loop: An ISTJ in a Si-Fi loop will replay past events, usually traumatic ones, and relive these past experiences in their head and then wallow in their negative feelings. They compare new or present situations to negative memories and assume that every situation is going to go badly, interpreting how the situation is going to impact them personally. They have difficulty putting their ideas into actual action, lose their ability to reason logically in a situation.

>>39018370
Can someone redpill me on INTPs? Pls I'm confused

Why am I chaotic evil when I am not?

>>39019871
INTP are people who yearn acceptance from other but have a difficulty to do it in socially acceptable fashion therefore they can do it in autistic or spergy fashion. Emotionally they're like children - full emotions or no emotion just like ON/OFF button where most of people have it more like thermostat.
>>39019895
ENTP is textbook chaotic neutral who spread chaos aka shitposts

>>39019794
>Te is the primary way SiTe's interact with the world around them. Te makes them loves efficiency and getting things done, and can enjoy a bit of healthy competition at times if they feel like they have a chance at winning. It's the SiTe's primary decision-making process, which means that if a decision is needed in the moment, they tend to rely on what makes the most sense logically. They're more concerned about moving forward than they are about it being the perfection.

Not totally wrong, I love achieving things (quickly) and when I do it efficiently + I can be competitive af when I feel confident. Also I don't always take logical decisions but I value logical decisions way more than emotional decisions. Finally, I think the 'They are more concerned about moving forward than they are about it being the perfect solution' does apply to me.

>Fi is the SiTe's third function. Fi is sensitive to the feelings of others and the atmosphere they're in, and they use it to assess situations to see how things match up to their values and beliefs so they can act accordingly. They may think of their Fi as their instinct. It can act as a warning system when Te thinks a decision makes sense logically, but somewhere inside, Fi knows it's a bad idea. Since Fi is internal, SiTe's need more time to mull over the details of decisions that involve their beliefs or values.

It's also 'true' : I don't really care about others' feelings : maybe I will try to comfort them but in a very akward way : I will do my best to make my presence felt. I'm really embarrassed when other people go emotional. I'm a 'far-right' person, I think my beliefs and opinions are important, but it doesn't mean I will reject anarchists, commie friends, refuse to work with them : I will try to be mature enough to put my political opinions aside. Unfortunately, I find it difficult to listen to songs (for example) made by bands that constantly shit on my beliefs. This is why I dislike punk for example.

>>39020034
Well, i guess it's pretty clear that you're ISTJ.

>>39019950
>INTP are people who yearn acceptance from other but have a difficulty to do it in socially acceptable fashion therefore they can do it in autistic or spergy fashion. Emotionally they're like children - full emotions or no emotion just like ON/OFF button where most of people have it more like thermostat.

Maybe I'm in denial, but I don't particularly yearn for acceptance nor do I have outbursts of emotion like you described. Where are you getting this conception of INTPs from?

>>39020073
>Where are you getting this conception of INTPs from?
Maybe you're not INTP, i aim to describe people who have inferior Fe - IxTP.

>>39018552
What do you work with, fellow ISTJ, and what are your political views?

>>39020034
Now, the 'Si-Fi loop' description is not wrong, but I think it's kinda 'exaggerated' : I had some bad (social) experiences : other kids (and then teenagers, even adults) making fun of me, rejecting me, telling me I'm an ugly, worthless person, but I would not say it's 'traumatic'

Still, the result is the same : when a situation reminds me of a bad experience, I think about this bad experience, at first, I feel bad, then I try to ask myself : 'why the fuck was it such a bad experience? What the hell went wrong? How do I make sure this will never happen again the same way?'

The 'They have difficulty putting their ideas into actual action, lose their ability to reason logically in a situation.' also applies to me, tb h

Where is the test?

>>39020058
heh, good, in my opinion, it's a nice (and very underestimated) type :^)

Is there any two types that get along better than INFP-T and INTP-T, and is there any personality types that have more friction than INFP-T and ENTP-A?

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>>39020141
http://keys2cognition.com/
http://keirsey.jung.test.typologycentral.com/
>Bonus
http://similarminds.com/bigfive.html

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>>39018370
How the heck is INTP chaotic neutral evil?how the heck does this work. pls explain

>>39019267

It's a bullshit chart imo. Wether someone ends up doing "good" or "bad" things involves numerous factors and their interaction with eachother and cant be simplified to "if ur F ur an innocent little baby and if ur T ur literally hitler".

>>39020168
Everytime i answer these i get a different result

>>39018370
You need to accommodate for A-T bud.

>>39020168
>tfw RLUEN ISTJ

>>39020385
>Everytime i answer these i get a different result
Alright post both of their results, there has to be some pattern.

>>39020410
What are they?
Quoting >>39020157
If INFP and INTP you can be really similar and I would go with INFP.

>>39018552
>Esfj
>lawful good

>>39018370
>NJ
>lawful

>>39018552
>any type
>evil
nice tumblr-tier images

>>39019628
>ISTJ are not subjective they are objective because of Te
The main function is the most important one, which is subjective for all introverts
Maybe you are talking about rational vs irrational, but even then ISTJs are mostly irrational

How do I know if I'm N or S?

>>39020761
>ISTJs are mostly irrational
Is this socionics?

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ITT: MBTI meets tumblrettes

You guys are bunch of cringey faggots with these personality memes.

>>39020813
S people notice obvious things automatically, N people the meaning behind things and generally things that aren't obvious

Everyone can use both, but the difference is which kind of data you notice first/automatically and prefer to think about

Se: noticing the raw sensations without making any connections to other things, e.g. "this sensation is nice so I enjoy doing this, thats the only thing that matters to me"
Si: noticing how current sensations remind you of other sensations you experienced, e.g. "Something similar happened before, I can use that memory to understand what will happen now too" or "the colors remind me of that impression I had". Often called the memory function, but that is only a small part of it. Romantisation of sensations happens through this function.
Ne: noticing the objective potential of things even though they have not happened (yet), e.g. "We could use this to create all these possibilities" or "This might mean that" or "let#s be creative by doing this thing in a total crazy way". People often see it as the creative side of people
Ni: trying to disconnect from what is obvious to see all possible interpretations through imagination, e.g. "this is supposed to make me think of that, I will think about WHY they want to make me do that" or "how do you know it wasn't X, the facts you showed me don't prove anything". People sometimes see NJs as conspiracy theorists because they talk about things that are not as obvious to anyone else

>>39020907
I don't think you realize what irrational means in this context

>>39021056
>posts stupid opinion that shows he hasn't doe any research
>facebook filename

hmmmmm

>>39021123
it's okay just ignore the runoff from facebook/reddit

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>>39020188
because i love showing people chris-chan's taint. that's how

>>39018552
>ENTP
>Chaotic Evil
>Not Neutral Evil

Okay whatever

>isfj
>lawful good
bullshit. these cunt are holding everyone back. si doms/auxs are pure evil.

>>39022357
They think of themselves as good from their own perspective, lel

>>39018370
Why am I chaotic evil
Pls this hurt ;-;

>>39022402
It's a meme chart made by a feeler.

>>39022398
but they're objectively evil. all non-confrontational types are evil, because debating and discussing things leads to progress. if we genocided all xSFxs and Fe fags this world would be a much better place.

>>39022451
>but they're objectively evil.
Only from your perspective

>if we genocided all xSFxs and Fe fags this world would be a much better place.
Well yeah, for you. Their goals are different from yours, do you think that theirs are not just as valid as your own?

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>ENTP
>chaotic evil

agree.jpg

Y E S

>>39018370
Why am I evil? ENTP -t

>>39018431
ISTP-T here, sounds exactly like me desu

>>39020157
>INFP-T and INTP-T
Explain?

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>tfw 99% introvert

This chart is square peg round hole to such an extreme it's offensive to me.

t. Lawfag INTP

>>39025210
Looking at your image and your comment I can tell I would hate you.

"i am so introvert xd"
animeanimeanimeanimeanime

>>39025637

Anime is for faggots desu

Hmm, I do love Chaos, but I would vastly prefer Order and Lawfulness if it was under a system I either have control of, or simply agree with wholeheartedly.

t. INTP

>>39018552
>intj
>neutral evil
well shit

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>tfw ESTP Robot

Don't ask.

>>39019134
good image thanks
thanks again

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>>39022067
B-BUT I'M ALSO INTP AND I WANT TO FIGHT EVIL LIKE YOU

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>>39021056
I can't believe how many people take this horoscope crap seriously. Was literally invented by a housewife and daughter who weren't even psychologists. Would be an embarrassment to the board if it wasn't already at its worst

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>>39026298
>He hasn't embraced the freedom that is evil
Have fun staying confined MoralCuck.

>>39025758
>Don't ask.
But i want. Are you good with sports or any other physical activity?

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>>39026383
I don't feel that free being an asshole anon

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>>39026432
You don't have to be an asshole, it's all about being free from morals.

>>39026393
I skateboard. Other than guy friends I have literally nothing in life. I also used to do parkourt when I was a kid. Could do a backflip on flat ground.
But now I'm 187cm 95kg and shit sucks. Girls ain't really interested despite /soc/ saying 6-7 face and a good jawline

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I'm ISFJ but I get really high Si, Fi, and Fe.
Sometimes I also get ISFP in these test.

I'm not too familiar with cognitive functions compared to MBTI, am I weird?

>>39026469
I see what you mean anon, morality is the sadness that keeps us downanyways I think that's what you mean

>>39026538
Anyway, haven't slept for 30+ hours. Good night anon

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>>39026538
>Girls ain't really interested despite /soc/ saying 6-7 face and a good jawline
I have it good. Now everything depends on personality whenever you're confident or not.
>>39026548
Which would similar to you?

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>ENTP
>Chaotic Evil
Pretty accurate senpai

>>39026548
ISFJ is Si Fe Ti Ne in that order of strength, why your Fi is higher than Fe could be that you are simply lonely and dont have people to spend time with, people to feed your emotional side so you are left with your own meager feelings

>>39026578
Honestly I understand both sides, I have a really strong sense of personal morals I stick by, but I won't go against a group because of them. I'm probably slightly more Fe but I'd never think someone else is selfish because they would go against the group.

Guys, help. I always get entp on every test, and on cog func tests I score high in ti, low in fi. But I don't think I am very intelligent/clever, I'm characteristically quite shy and introverted seeming, and I'm not really interested in math or most sciences. So I think I may in reality be an enfp. How can I find out for sure? PLEASE RESPOND. I was more interested in science as a kid, but when I reached like 4th grade I was just interested in being cool and fitting in, but then I just became an antisocial autist who yearns for social acceptance yet isolates myself.

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>>39026557
That's part of it. Believing in morals will make you feel guilt and sadness for when you don't follow them properly. I think it's silly to burden yourself with something so unnecessary.
Morals are just arbitrary rules set up to control the masses. They're useful for keeping the normies under control, but when you have control over yourself you no longer need them.

Took this test a couple years ago I think multiple times, intp, but this good/evil shit sounds dumb, people of the same type can have different moral values, and no one type is better then another, I see people saying shit like "my type is the best desu" unless they're kidding around thats stupid aff.

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>>39026647
>then I just became an antisocial autist who yearns for social acceptance yet isolates myself.
That's definitely more of a ENTP trait than ENFP. ENFP would be content by being themselves without yearning acceptance. You dont have to be scientist in order to be ENTP, i mean most of comedians are ENTP.
>>39026646
Hmmm, you're probably ISFJ with extremely high Fi rather than ISTJ with high Fe.

Which type makes the best leader? ENTJ?
ESTJ? ENFJ?

>>39026634
That actually makes a lot of sense, thanks man.

>>39026702
>ENTJ
Visionary
>ESTJ
Task enforcer
>ENFJ
Cult leader

>>39026702
My guess is ENTJ, since they have the proper thinking typing to prevent their decisions from being clouded, and the intuition to figure things out quickly when they have limited time.

>>39022518
>>39026613
Mein niggers

ENTP is the best

>>39026701
>You dont have to be scientist in order to be ENTP, i mean most of comedians are ENTP

Shit. You're right. TY for responce.

>ENTJ by test because im no longer a beta robot, but still an introvert

feels good man

I've started to think the reasons INTPs suffer so much is because they're the only people who aren't delusional.

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>>39026859
Seems like you're on to something there.

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>>39026670
You posted a good picture, but not-so-good thoughts. If you don't believe that morals are a consequence of universal order, or that there is not even a universal order to speak of, then you are very misinformed my friend.

Not to say that you can't act chaotic and mischievous -- the universe is quite mischievous at times -- but you must decide whether you are acting with good or bad intent.

Questions?

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>>39027046
What do you mean by universal order? The only true universal order is the laws of physics. Everything else is just speculation for the most part.
And as for whether someone acts with good or bad intent, I would argue that the only intent people act with is selfish intent.

>>39026701
See I understand this pic too cause I'd be appreciative that someone was thinking about my preferences. But I wouldn't want someone go out of their way and make themselves unhappy for me. That also just be my depression and self hatred talking though.

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>>39027178
You have much to learn about philosophy, the occult, and teleology, to say the least. But if you continue learning as you are, you will get there friend.

>>39027178
>The only true universal order is the laws of physics.

Why are the laws of physics granted an exception to your all pervasive nihilism?

>>39027178
Also so as not to be a jerk about it (I wasn't trying to, sorry), universal order implies an order that goes beyond formula and visible observation. It points to the synergy between action and purpose; that the universe does not act indifferently, but on the largest and smallest levels, it follows a plan which unites harmony and chaos as one, the product of which becomes either all good or all evil. No one cannot be saved from evil, but someone who is evil will remain as such if the right measures are not taken.

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>>39027211
My personal philosophy is mostly grounded in a scientific perspective, but I'm always open to new ideas.
Another thing is that my views aren't always very consistent, and can change depending on what perspective I'm viewing things from and my general mood.

>>39027318
I would really recommend chewing through Whitehead's Process and Reality if you ever have the time. It encompasses the implicit meaning of nature far better than a regimen of classical -> enlightenment-era philosophy could.

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>>39027258
Because they are absolute. We may not understand them in their entirety, but they will never change.

>>39027373
You cannot prove either of those statements any more than you can prove objective morality.

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>>39027458
Well if the laws of physics can't be proven than nothing can be proven. And if nothing can be proven, then why bother trying to prove or argue anything?

>>39027494
Now you are beginning to understand.

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Ok, wtf now?

>>39027542
>wtf now?
Become a machinist before it's too late.

>>39027271
I'm not sure I'm understanding what you mean.This all sounds rather bizarre to me.

>>39027567
It's a little abstract. The problem with positivism and scientific rationalism is that it gives us rules and axioms, but it does not give us meaning. And of course, the central problem to be answered about the universe is not only "how", but "why"? We must not forget that behind every action is an impetus, and so on, until you get to the prima causa, the first cause. If we are answering this prima causa scientifically, we point to the expansion of the universe and the initial conditions present at the time. But that doesn't tell us the whole picture. It will give us a wealth of knowledge and allow us to create greater and grander technologies, but it will not give us a personal relationship with the universe, a foundation, a purpose.

Sometimes I'm sure it seems like "why" is pointless to ask. Meaning must be arbitrary and sycophantic, right? It is only something humans have learned to ask, because we need to identify with each other and with reality? But if you look closer, you will see general patterns and themes emerging in life. Metaphors. Analogies. Things that are almost poetic in their expression and sublime in their beauty. This is the other side of the universe, the "why".

>>39026881
Can someone explain to me why INFPs and INFJs are seemingly more intelligent than two NT types? Genuine question.

>>39027542
>Ok, wtf now?
You're ISTP

>>39027695
INFPs are like INTP-lite and INFJs are like INTJ-without-turbo-autism. An INFP will share most of the same thought processes and modes of interacting with the world but their primary motivation is emotion rather than logic. It is slightly different between INTJ/INFJ, but where the INTJ is like a "hard" rational, the INFJ is a "soft" rational who makes up for their lack of rigor through powerful and penetrating intuitions. Intuition is an extremely intelligent function because it still gets answers, it just does so in a way that is unfamiliar to logic. INTJ and INFJ are like having unbalanced ratios of logic/intuition, with INTJ having more logic, INFJ more intuition.

>>39027695
Introverts are more intelligent because they have more thorough thinking

>>39027695
Just based on the graph It would seem that being Introverted rather than Extroverted has more of an impact than being more thinking rather than feeling.
This is just IQ though, so it doesn't evaluate how rational those people may be.

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>>39027679
That is a good question, the "why" for the existence of the universe. The problem I see is that there doesn't seem to be anything we could ever do to answer that question. There just doesn't seem to be any way to find out what caused the Universe.Perhaps it could be some sort of Omnipotent being, but that would just raise so many more questions. Assuming there isn't one though, there would be no other reason than just "because that's the way it is".

The more I think about this the more confused I become.

>>39027789
How can you call INFPs smart when 90% of them chop off their dicks?

>>39028214
High IQ doesn't always mean smart. They can be good at math, but make irrational, stupid decisions since they're ruled by their feelings.
IQ doesn't measure rationality.

>>39028064
>The more I think about this the more confused I become.

Yeah. That's a good thing. That means you haven't stagnated at worshiping observables and well-defined laws. Is it possible to answer the question? Well, maybe not. But it's certainly possible to approach an answer, to gather lots of little interpretations and observations that seem to gradually reveal further truth. So that's why I said philosophy, the occult, teleology are necessary reading. Religion is, too. These are all concerned with meaning. Poetry is concerned with meaning. "Why do people love?" can be answered scientifically -- a combination of neurological and psychosocial factors. It can also be answered in a philosophical way -- because they found purpose in each other. If we ask what the occult has to say, it might say some goddess of life imprinted the blueprint of her own being in material beings so that they could copulate and spread her essence. Religion of course tends to favor the Omnipotent being, as you stated. And so on and so forth.

>>39028214
I'm going to need a citation for that statistic.

>>39028264
Makes sense I guess. I don't understand being a tranny desu just falling for the jewish shit.
>>39028299
>he didn't see the one INFP thread a week ago

I have seen 327493872 explanations of Ni, and not one has helped me understand it.

"inductive logic"
"imagining the future"
"noticing patterns" (literally IQ)
"making up symbols"
"being a fucking divine prophet who 'just knows xD' everything"

>>39028521

>"noticing patterns" (literally IQ)

yes, Ni is IQ.

>>39019262
I'm INTP and 7w8, is there an error in the Enneagram test?

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>>39028521
You dont consciously fully analyze shit, but instead you get your conclusions through the flow of time.

>>39028521
They have unconscious collection of concepts and past experiences they can draw from to deduce what will likely work and then they bullshit an answer, but their bullshit is actually right.

>>39028299
Why the occult though? It seems to conflict the most with the other interpretations.

>>39018370
B-but I'm not neutral evil
I want everyone to be happy...

>>39027318
Im going to guess ENTP-T

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>>39028969
Close, but I'm actually INTP-A, and I've gotten the same result with several other personality tests as well.

>>39028521

Its kind of like Ti except its random and forms a randomly connected web of knowledge, where as Ti has a strict framework.

Imagine spiderman sitting in your head and randomly making webs of knowledge by pulling out "relevant" information from the stream of input that enters your brain through your senses. Then imagine these webs inside a bigger network of webs. The ni user then observes these webs from different angles aka perspectives to see what it really is.

Kind of a silly explanation but it puts it into perspective well imo

>>39028969
I'm of the opinion that human knowledge, logic and human reasoning are very, very limited. We are very, very small. Very interested in mysticism, i like Laozi and Zhuangzi, Job, Proverbs, Psalms and Ecclesiastes from the Bible. I like the buddhist sutras. I'm more focused on the inner world than the outer.


Guess my type?

>>39027528
easy there camus

>>39028521
INTx are focused on thinking about abstract concepts, but INTJs think about them more sub-consciously and are more assertive when defending their thoughts.

>>39028895
Whatever you say, Adolf.

Nah, I'm just joking with you, the good to evil thing is just based on stereotypes of the types.

>>39029070
More like easy there laotsu

>>39027542
Jainism

>>39029066
Uh INFJ, INFP and INTP in that order of likelihood. Btw your post is revolting

>>39029139
INTP-A

Why is it revolting? I'm very tired and bad at english, if you're referring to my writing ''style''

>>39018370
>be ENTP
>be chaotic selfish
I wouldn't consider myself evil. I don't go out of my way to hurt anyone unless they attack me first

>>39029162
Hahaha I was right.

No your prose is just fine. Content is what I take offense to.

Personally I've got nothing against solipsism but being so self interested and invested is terrible to me. It's a disconnect from reality if you take too long. It's selfish too. Impolite and discourteous. Mastering reality is more important imo since mastery of the self takes time and is a journey. I'm not saying don't invest time into yourself and I'm not saying investing in others is rewarding, but what your telling me in that post is very preachy and reeks with the foul stench of yoga and unwashed armpits as in New Age Spiritualism aka pseudo intellectualism. Maybe I'm like this because I've mostly mastered myself and self control but your post filled me with a familiar vitriol I always get when I'm around your type. It seems unambitious and tiring. Personally, I'm not in a rush to myself.

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>>39029139
relax m80

>>39029066
INTP or INFJ. I agree by the way. Logic can't prove anything - logic is consistent but we have no way of knowing whether or not it arrives at the "truth." It's a self contained system... if something is logical, one must use logic to assume the system of logic is accurate.

That being said, I'm gonna go with logic as it's the best system I have access to as a puny human. Mysticism and spirituality may be cool an all but it's not consistent. How many spiritual realizations from different individuals have contradicted each other? Just as I can't 100% trust my senses, I can't 100% trust logic. But just as my senses are the best I've got, so is logic.

Now guess my type y'all motherfuckers!

>>39029290
istp
or
istj
or entp

>>39029267
*know myself.

The inner world is pointless because I already know what's going on. I'm fully aware of it. It's missteps it's hiccups. I've rarely made the same mistake twice and I've only got caught doing it once and that's because my inner world is so fleshed out. Anytime I talk to your type they always bring the conversation back to themselves or brush things off or give me general advice without actual solutions. Your type of person has never helped me at anything and they're mostly useless.

>>39029267
Holy shit my dude
>caring about reality
>not caring about exploring the unknown
>telling others their way of life is lesser than yours
>when in fact there's no such thing as better or worse cause those are just subjective, arbitrary values
I shiggy diggy my dude

You must be a dumb INTJ

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>>39029276
>mfw anon thinks I'm not relaxed
>mfw NOW I'm tense

>>39029267
Thanks for replying.

I see where you're coming from.
What i'm saying isn't that interacting with the outside world is bad or wrong. We are meant to link the two ''worlds''. The point of view i'm attacking is using human logic to observe our logic. It can't be done IMO, we are merged within ourselves in such a way that detachement from the self is impossible. We are not disconnected fromk the universe, but part of it and in it. I am drawn to laozi because he points out the futility of language and categorization to define our world, which we are a part of, whether we like it or not.

>>39029290
ENTP or INTP

>Horoscopes with a dash of """science"""

>>39029328
All of those are wrong. ENTP I can see, a lot of people think I'm ENTP. But ISTJ? Lel, I couldn't be further from it. I don't see how my post exudes any form of Si whatsoever

>>39029372
Not INTP, I hate those fags. Not ENTP either but I do love those fags

>>39029390
I'm going to guess INTP or INTJ, since those are the most common types here.

>>39029347
>telling someone else their way of life is lesser
Nope your way of thinking is imperfect
>better or worse is arbitrary
Gee anon excuse me you're totally right and in fact I'll go ahead right now and stare into my reflection and meditate on my inner self
>caring about reality
>not wanting to explore the unknown
Not sure where you get that idea. I would love to explore the unknown but my own head I know very well thanks.

>>39029290
>It's a self contained system
This is my point, summed up.
Human reasoning can't be removed from itself. Categorization is already setting the limits of something we aren't able to grasp.

''Eyes look but cannot see it
Ears listen but cannot hear it
Hands grasp but cannot touch it
Beyond the senses lies the great Unity
invisible, inaudible, intangible
What rises up appears bright
What settles down appears dark
Yet there is neither darkness nor light just an unbroken dance of shadows
From nothingness to fullness and back again to nothingness
This formless form
This imageless image cannot be grasped by mind or might
Try to face it
In what place will you stand?
Try to follow it
To what place will you go?
Know That which is beyond all beginnings and you will know everything here and
now
Know everything in this moment and you will know the Eternal Tao''

Live within life and not apart of it, i think is the way to an ''authentic'' life

>>39029423
Wrongo again-o! Try to use context clues instead of just going by simple probabilities, and your predictions may be more accurate ;)

Also thanks everyone for debating. I find it endlessly fascinating. I think of taoism as a kind of mystic form of metaphysics. It deals with existence and has a distinct epistemological framework IMO

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>>39029360
Perhaps you have been in a constant state of tenseness and have just chosen not to accept it until I pointed it out anon

>>39029413
hmmmmm gives us more clues anon

>>39029465
ENTJ plz

>>39029390
enfj
about the istj thing, i was going off what you said about the senses. and some si doms can have philosophical interests as well, in my experience.

>>39029369
>thank you for replying
Of course.
>human logic is an imperfect way to observe the world due to our attachment to ourselves
Maybe for everyone else *scoff*
>futility of language and categorization
I'm aware and I'm not saying I disagree but I'm saying that life and what happens in it is a gamble. Exploring the inner world isn't useful because I already know it and seeing patterns in others' minds is all too easy these days. I'm sorry if it seems I'm talking down to you, I just don't see the value of it. In another timeline I might be a rich master in Florence and I might provide for a thinker/creative just like you so that you could introspect and write and focus on what you're talking about. It's a shame that this isn't the case.

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>>39029472
Doubtfully but I'd rather be tense and in control than relaxed and out of control.

>>39029551
karma my dude it transcends time and space

>>39029551
>I'm aware and I'm not saying I disagree but I'm saying that life and what happens in it is a gamble. Exploring the inner world isn't useful because I already know it and seeing patterns in others' minds is all too easy these days. I'm sorry if it seems I'm talking down to you, I just don't see the value of it. In another timeline I might be a rich master in Florence and I might provide for a thinker/creative just like you so that you could introspect and write and focus on what you're talking about. It's a shame that this isn't the case.

But isn't exploring the inner world beneficial to your assessment of the outer world and vice versa? I'm arguing that the two spaces are infinitely linked, in all organisms.

I, of course, can't argue with you about your view of your inner world.

>>39018370
>INTP
>Chaotic Neutral evil
I'm way too shy to be evil.

>>39029744
It's a bullshit chart anyways, INTPs are true neutral. Fuck the good/evil dichotomy.

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>>39018370
i never understood these types of charts
i often get isfp on these things, and i do feel like chaotic neutral / good fits me well, but im just not sure how it helps me
can this help make me realize what it is that i really want in life? honestly i want nothing more than to go out to a park and have a picnic with somebody who doesnt mind me not talking, but im much to anxious to do so
can somebody help me realize how this can help me?

>>39029438
>imperfect
>implying perfection exists
Ok Plato

>>39029439
Yes. You are a wise man. I tried to explain this point to another INTP last night and he called me stupid - many of your type are so closed minded. Have you looked into Heidegger's view of what it means to "be"? It's interesting - he posits that what a concept is, is defined by its history, surroundings, etc. But that got me thinking, that only applies to human understanding. Regardless of how we perceive anything, everything is exactly what it is. The buddhists were right... everything is!

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Redpill me on my results robots. I usually get INTP (and that's what I also got again) but this is my first time taking the cognitive function one

>inb4 phoneposter reeeeeeee

Currently not near a computer

>>39029637
No not really. I explore the inner world is I go and cautiously guard it. Studying it for too long is less than ideal. You aren't going to know yourself immediately. You won't figure yourself out after months or years of self reflection. It's better to go without you know or think you know. The two spaces are 100% linked with each other. I don't disagree. I'm saying it's pointless to know yourself and nothing else because nothing will happen to you. Figuring yourself out is natural and takes time and should be done organically. Putting yourself under the microscope for long periods of time will exhaust you, fill you with a false sense of fulfillment (and shock you when you change), and it's a form of escapism. Monks mediate on the world or their religion and don't lose touch with the world. You're focusing on yourself. What do you think would happen then?

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>>39029609
Tch, I'll take my chances thank you.

>>39029530
I'm not a workaholic cunt anon!

>>39029549
Nor am I an effeminate Fe-cuck!

>>39029566
Ding ding ding, you win! Your prize is the satisfaction you get from being right.

>>39029507
Clue: See above

>>39029914
>thinking can't be refined down to a science and the perfect way can't be solved over long periods of research.
Whatever. I'm not even claiming perfection exists, all I'm saying is strive for it. I'm not saying what I just said isn't futile, but the likelihood of that outcome doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

>>39030004
>clue: see above
How does >>39029995 help us? Is that you?

>>39029914
>that only applies to human understanding. Regardless of how we perceive anything, everything is exactly what it is. The buddhists were right... everything is!
Agree, the truth is beyond truth, the hidden is within the hidden

>>39029970
I think we're saying the same thing here, only expressing it in very different ways

>>39029914
What is your type btw?
I'm an INTP-A, with very developed Ni i think

>>39029995
Think of it in a newtonian way initially, you steal you go jail, then consider the following, "bad luck" is what you get when you "get away" with stealing something

>>39030097
Dude I know how karma works but there are plenty instances where karma doesn't happen and people get off scot free. Care to explain?
>inb4 so called punishment in their next life

>>39030048
>thinking can't be refined down to a science
But *gasp* anon! What if all our science is informed by the information we get from our senses, and that's all inaccurate?! What if we're unable to understand the universe in its entirety and all of our systems are completely wrong? How do we know that any of our systems arrive at truth if the only method we have are our systems, if we can't see outside of our systems, if we can't know for certain that our senses can perceive the truth?

>doesn't mean you shouldn't try
Yes, I do agree with this. I, at one point, believed that the human race ought to die out. It'd be the moral thing, ending all this suffering, I thought. But I realized, what if there's truth out there? What if, one day, human will be able to discern it? I don't care if I personally see the light but if *someone* *sometime* finds it, I'll be content. So, I support the continuation of humanity to fulfill my selfish needs. I want a conscious being to discern the truth and my best way of possibly accomplishing that goal is to allow humanity to continue

>>39030058
I meant the post I replied to above you ya big goof

>>39030089
ENFP, but I'm smart so I pretend to be ENTP ;)

>>39030139
>inb4 so called punishment in their next life
basically, you get reborn as a animal or worse a woman

I'm definitely ENTP, but it's more Chaotic Neutral then Chaotic Evil, because for an ENTP good and evil don't really exist.

>>39030064
We'll I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm not saying learning yourself is wrong, but too much of it, and reading too much about is very egocentric and pointless. I'm a very boring person. Why would I care about learing more about myself and what's your answer to all the other boring people who will reject knowledge of the self since it bores them or they're uninteresting or they already know themselves? It doesn't help anyone but yourself and your own state of being doesn't change when you learn this kind of thing. Unless you figure it out and write a book on it and it's the empirical answer for inner knowledge, what's the point? Where do you go after you know yourself? Pretend my inner world is the one that I've mastered in its totality. No what, senpai?

>>39030193
not sure if i'm ENTP or ENFP

please advise

>>39030225
Why do you assume that being aware of others is more important than being aware of yourself? How do you weigh this?

Not that guy btw

>>39030168
>what if all the science is blah blah blah bullshit I already know about
It's all a gamble anon. It's all a risk. Self discovery isn't going to change the reality of anything at all though. Seeing outside the system is a goal we can only achieve by putting our best foot forward and trusting what knowledge we think we have. Every technological or scientific discovery we make will hopefully lead us to the truth. You're literally just some dick head in his room jerking off and reading about
>muh knawledge
>muh hummanity
But you don't have any alternatives for science and technology, do you? If you're so smart why don't you give us some options? You're belittling every more intelligent person yourself and every thing hummanity and the scientific community has done with your pretentious attitude. I'm not saying they accomplished anything but it's wayyy more helpful than what you're saying.
>allow hummanity to continue
Don't make me bite my tongue. We may both be a tad misanthropic but I'd defend my hide in an instant.

>>39030219
I like to think of good and evil in the biological sense. We're hardwired to do first what's best for our own survival, then that of our offspring, community, ethnicity, and finally species. Biological morality is our innate drive to be altruistic once our basic needs are fulfilled, and our aversion to needlessly harming others. So, killing in self defense = biologically moral. Killing for fun = biologically immoral.

Of course, different people have different attitudes hardwired into them. Some are more predisposed towards selfishness, others more towards altruism. Take Jesus, all altruism. Take hitler... all altruism at an ethnic level (because he believed only his ethnicity was his species). Take my friend, an INTJ, mostly selfishness, he believes everyone ought to do what's in their own best interests.

So, ENTP are often inclined to be biologically immoral or "evil" as they often harm others when it's not necessary, or harm others for a minor reward when the level of harm outweighs the benefit of the reward.

>>39030323
do shrooms

>>39030258
Because you don't live in a vacuum and you aren't self sufficient because without certain systems in place you couldn't function and our current society does this on purpose. It's basic being considerate of others.

>>39030344
no but in all seriousness you end up paying for all the bad shit you do in your next life

>>39030323
I'm not the mysticism guy, my dude.

If you'd read my post you'd see that I 95% agree with what you're saying here. Yeah, as I said, science is the best shot we've got. Let's roll with it and see where it takes us, I 100% agree with that. Introspection vs external exploration, now that's just a matter of personal preference. People can do what they like there.

>I'd defend my hide in an instant
Me too dude. I said, I support the continuation of humanity *now* because I'm hoping science (or whatever we come up with eventually) will lead us somewhere, as I've said, it's our best shot. I just used to believe that no one should reproduce ever again to create a peaceful end to this pitiful existence. But I'm over that now. Onward and, hopefully, upward!

Say, are you INTJ? You seem quite INTJ.

>>39030236
Well, have you looked into cognitive functions? You more of a Ti guy or a Fi guy? Fe or Te?

Additionally - how much empathy do you have? Does your empathy often overrule your cynicism? Do you often find yourself caring too much about people? If so, you may be ENFP like me

Do you often give too little of a shit about others? Do you not get emotional that easily? Can you come across as cold in your natural state? Then you may be ENTP

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>>39030325
Just took the test again, and I'm really really hard ENTP.

I reject the notion of "biological morality" as a reasonable metric for good and evil. Evolution only works on a societal or species level. On the individual level, you die and that's it. "biological morality", also applies to dogs and animals. There is nothing inherently good about it. It's just animalistic behavior. Of cause IF you choose it as a metric, ENTP would be evil.

>>39030344
Why'd you quote my ;)? :confuse:

>>39030395
Got any proof to back up that claim? What is "bad" anyway? To hitler, murdering the Jews was the moral solution. To the Jews, it was the grandest evil in human history. And who is this overseer that decides what's good and bad? How does he make people pay? Your claim's got some issues bud

>>39030438
No no, I do agree. The system of biological morality is arbitrary and meaningless. But, I'm just saying that it's the one that informs the vast majority of society's perception of right and wrong. Just explaining how it makes ENTPs evil in the eyes of most.

And say, if good and evil are human concepts, and humans are the sole deciders of what human perceptions are to be, then a majority of humans deeming you evil means you're evil. Not that being evil has any inherent value but the collective deeming you evil means you're evil. Just as collective society can point at some H20 molecules and call it "water," they can point at you and cal you "evil." Definitions are defined by society, it's up to us to accept those definitions

And, hey I'm a soft ENTP on that test these days. Still gotta be an ENFP though cause of my damn Fi!

>>39030395
Yeah in hell
>>39030357
t. subhuman INFP filth

>>39030550
Yea, just like society pointed at the earth and called it flat.

If you know what you want to get, then it usually swings a few points in that direction because of subconscious bias.

>>39030434
I read your post but I def wasn't following your chain of replies. I'm glad you agee but this post here >>39030168
Is something I've seen over a hundred times it's cliche to me. I would say "no offense" but I know you won't take any offense anyways. Yes, I'm INTJ. It's probably obvious but I'd still like you to tell me how? Someone else called me INTJ too... :/
>>39030477
I'm the big goof

>>39030477
kind of, short version equilibrium, I'm not sure if killing can be justified, I feel it might depend if you are aware of the nature of karma, like you could be an agent of karma unknowingly by shortening someones life say in self defense its when you become aware of it when things get a bit fucky

>>39030603
But see, in that case, society's determining of earth to be flat arose from lack of data. Their definition of flat and round were stable, their perception of earth wasn't due to not having all the information.

When it comes to abstract things, things that aren't physically present and stable, then definitions are allowed to be arbitrary. Just as standard deviation comes from arbitrary formulas made up to create a way to measure things in a way that suits the physical world and construction of society, evil comes from perceptions based off of our biology that promote the growth of society.

Evil isn't one "set" thing, it's a a definition that's allowed to be made up because it's not grounded in the physical world, not stable. And ENTPs tend to fit that definition, making them evil!

>>39030629
You're obviously an INTJ because you think with Te. You think for the sake of getting things done. You think that if something "works" then it's right. Unlike the INTP, who thins with Ti, he thinks to understand why things works, how they work, etc

>>39030703
Hahah okay Mr INFP

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>>39030580
But im an ENTP anon

>>39030580
>Implying reality isn't hell and are good deeds allow us the transcend that

>>39030800
All I'm saying is no one did any good by learning themselves through inner knowledge. Inb4 autistic outlier. INTP, based on what your saying, is useless. They sit around all day. How unhopeful that I frequent here.

>>39030850
I was just taking a shot at INFP. If you're an ENTP be nicer to me since I am you and you are me as an INTJ.

>>39018370
I'm chaotic neutral and I'm an INFP

>>39030921
INFJs my dude

>>39030863
Plenty of people don't go through life a living hell and don't commit any good deeds. Your reality is partly your initial circumstances.

>>39030745
It does not matter if things are just false or are defined by society. What I wanted to say is, that only because the vast majority of people believes or agrees on something, it does not matter. Why the hell should I care about what society as a whole thinks? In Nazi Germany, people believed that all jews should be killed. I soviet russia people believed that all rich people should be killed. Only because something is public opinion, it simply is irrelevant. And it most definitely does not justify definitions of good and evil.

Of cause I agree with you that ENTP fit the "biological" definition of evil. But I simply don't find it valid, and I refuse the justification you give for it, for the reasons above

>>39030921
Well, INTPs don't care about "doing good." They just care about knowing things via research or thought or reading. Getting shit done isn't on their list of important things

ENTP reporting in. 3% of the population. I hate the autism crap i got fed in the description. I am not autistic

>>39030957
Oh god not INFJ. They aren't just unconstructive they're insufferable antagonistic cunts. They if anyone here at all should spend the most time looking at themselves and introspecting. So critical and demanding. So harsh and curel.

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>>39030938
Right but I was the one who wrote that stuff

>>39030972
We'll then I'm glad they won't get in my way! I'm glad they behave like >>39029066
And do nothing useful or else I'd have a tough time doing what I want! Stay out of my way INTP the world will be a better place if you're permanent attached to this cesspool.

>>39030961
Yes but your initial circumstances are shaped by your karma

>>39030962
>I agree with you that ENTP fit the "biological" definition of evil
Thank you. I wouldn't really call it the biological definition... more like, the societal definition informed by their biology. But yes, my argument comes from a definition perspective. Of course you don't have to give that definition any value or subscribe to it, I'm just pointing out that it is what it is

Quite frankly, I agree. Society's retarded. Mostly I'm just debating you for the hell of it. Definitions are inherently valueless as social constructs, yeah. A Frenchman might think "amour" represents the idea of love, while an American just calls it "love." People can buy into whatever set of rules or definitions they want, they're all spooks anyway!

>>39031025
Ok then why would you want me to do shrooms you maniac? Drugs are not the answer and they inhibit and paralyze any growth at all.

>>39030962
Chill out Steiner

>>39030921
INTP here. You're wrong my dude. We need the inner knowledge, we need it more than we could ever know.

>>39026634
Yea, this might explain my high Siness...

t. ISTJ 'lonewolf'

>>39031061
>Mostly I'm just debating you for the hell of it.
this, it's funny, because we actually agreed on everything 4 posts ago when I wrote:
> Of cause IF you choose it as a metric, ENTP would be evil.
That's just typical ENXP

>>39031083
Some drugs, not all

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>>39031058
>be born
>grow up poor
>look in the mirror
>its pic related
>you deserved this
Nice.

>>39031120
Finess*

>>39031107
based INTP

>>39028629
Not really. Any combination is possible. Those statistics are bullshit and forum community based. Also a lot of them are mistyped cause they only read surface descriptions.

>>39031124
Lel, yeah. Hey, from one debate loving Ne dom to another, might I ask, what's your experience debating INTPs? I've found them always to be intensely insufferable. They get massive tunnel vision and nitpick at every minor detail of my argument, and anything that doesn't immediately check out with their preconceived notion of the universe is immediately discarded as "stupid." How should I learn to better deal with your autistic, introverted siblings? Or do I just avoid discussion with them?

>>39031107
Who do you mean by "we"?

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>>39031157
pretty much, but think how much karma you get by over coming your deformity and not letting it corrupt you into a shitty person.

>>39026378
You probably scream at people for believing in god

>>39031145
Why shrooms? Recreational drugs are terrible. You loose self control. Why would I want to?
>>39031107
Ok I know myself. I'm INTP, and I know myself. Now what?

>>39031107
I've already went over several times throughout my reply chain how knowledge of the self works. You can't know yourself immediately- it's pointless to stare into your reflection for hours trying to figure yourself or meditate on all these things related to human experience becuaee you don't change your reality or hummanity. I'm not saying you have to be helpful but putting yourself under the microscope is unhelpful. It's exhausting, fills you with self fulfillment for doing nothing, etc etc I'm too tired to remember my other reasonings because I've already repeated myself.

>>39031241
Shrooms takes your mind to places you didn't even think it could go. If your worried about going crazy and chimping out do it in a place that feels safe to you and with a close friend never do shrooms for the first time on your own

>>39030434
im >>39026647
(not the one you just replied to)
and i have a hard time answering those questions. ive always stuck to the idea that i really dont see myself using fi or te at all, but ti and fe quite a lot. however, im having trouble firmly grasping what its really like to use fi. i do care about the wellbeing of living things, for example i saved a lizard from my bathroom last night, whereas it would have just been easier to kill it. sometimes i care too much, but i try to shut down that way of thinking quickly. most often, i care too little. but i cannot discount the fact that sometimes i am quite caring and empathetic for others. i dont get very emotional, and i always come across cold, unless im putting up some facade to impress people.

>>39031306
perception is reality change perception and you change reality

>>39031213
Honestly, I have never had a situation where someone called my reasoning stupid. If something does not match with their internal structure, then I will mostly try to find, where exactly the disagreement lies, and fix it. Normally, an INTP should give you reasonably answers and you should find exactly the point where you disagree.

I mostly debate for the hell of it, so I absolutely don't mid changing topics. Therefore in this situation, I would find the root and debate about it instead. This usually works.

When you have a situation where they are ideologically minded and refuse to listen to reason (for example when they believe to have authority over you, or when they are just completely blinded by hatred), you should stop trying to convince them and expose them in front of the audience (if it's a public debate, or if there are other people). Also you can try just talking them down, but that can very well backfire if you make stupid mistakes.

>>39029813
It won't help you, its only purpose is so you can look at it and say "look at me I'm chaotic good aren't I special hahaha!" and share it with your Facebook friends

>>39031371
You seem like an ENTP. Your empathy, that's Fe. An ENFP would never be cold an unemotional, unless they try to suppress or avoid emotions on purpose as I do. Fi is very personal and deep, so I'll explain my Fi as best I can. Music is a great starting point. When I listen to a song that I connect to, I connect intensely, the music moves me strongly and waves of emotion wash over me. A lot of Fi users may also go against reason or logic just to do "what matters to them." This is a practice I avoid because it's retarded, but you see it a lot in INFPs. If you ever avoid truth or reason in favor of doing what "your heart tells you," that's Fi. You saving a lizard was easy and didn't burden you, it's just helping other beings. That's Fe. As for Te vs Ti, Te is all about solutions, getting shit done, finding what works. Ti is about learning, understanding, reading behind the lines, exploring the details, etc. Which do you think you have based on these descriptions?

You describe putting up a facade - that's total Fe. Fe panders in social situation, can be "fake." Fi is honest and touches the individual, wouldn't hide for the sake of appealing to others.

You're just an ENTP with a developed Fe is my assessment

>>39031342
You are such a moron and I'm glad you're mindfucked you stupid druggie. I'd never lose myself or my mind or self control for a high.

>>39031419
Thank you. This advice will be put to good use. It's not so much them calling my reasoning stupid but my argument. From there the INTP and I spiral down into semantics discussion and lose track. I'll remember to focus on the root of the debate and stay tied to that

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>>39018370
Lawful neutral Autism wizard reporting in

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>>39031569
Oh, hey dude, here's some shit that I need help too, since I'm kinda stuck between INTP and ENTP, mostly lean to introverted counterpart but sometimes I manage to completely shrug this impression off, especially IRL.
Yeah, people perceive me as scatterbrained and quite a cool story bro guy, but still trusting me on technical issue. Nonetheless, I'm still alone like 95% of my free time.

>>39031213
If your reasoning has that many holes, you just suck at debating. Leave it to NTs.

Is Si only about 'the past' and 'memories'?

I feel close to the 'I don't really like changes, I prefer methods that work, I'm traditional af and I have a stick up my ass' part, not really to the 'I constantly compare this situation to another situation, I like rules, organization and order' part

>>39031584
Who hurt you, your "self control" is just a mask you wear for the world so you don't get hurt

>>39031717
Being traditional, using the same methods as long as they work, and disliking changes is Si. I think comparing a situation to another situation comes from Ne (since all Si-users also use Ne).

>>39031675
my friend is an INFJ explain to me how your mind works

I'm entp so why the fuck am I chaotic evil?

>>39031810
ENTPs have very bad Fi and usually don't care about people's personal sentiments. They're chaotic because they're known for changing sides in debate or adopting radical views just for the excitement. Basically they're iconoclasts.

>>39031569
Interesting, thank you for your reply. From your description, which I believe to be valid, I'm not te at all. Ti resonates very much though, as always. I have always had the same theory, that I just have well developed fe. I'm not gonna lie though, i can relate somewhat to your description of your fi. particularly connecting music with emotion, and i can also have sort of an idealistic idea of how i want myself and my life to be. Anyway, i don't want to be too demanding by continuing to add more nuance and ask for more information, so I'll just leave it at thank you for the assessment, i do appreciate it, and for the most part agree. unfortunately though i'm still not sure somehow.

>>39031678
i have the same conundrum on my hands as well. everyone says entps and enfps are the most introverted extroverts, and not always extroverted in the traditional sense. they say most people who cant decipher between i/e, are e.

>>39031661
>semantics discussion
If this happens I usually just tell them that we are debating semantics, and that I would like to get back to the topic. The key is realizing, that this is the case. usually both don't want to debate semantics and are just annoyed by each others lack of understanding. So they should appreciate it, if you call it out, as they might not realize themselves, that you are just talking about semantics.

>>39031810
>>39031888
By the way, when I said they have bad Fi, I was referring to Socionics. Every type has a function that is their "point of least resistance." ENTPs prefer to use Fe in all circumstances, but Fe can come across as manipulative, which further leads to ENTP being seen as "evil."

>>39031779
In all honesty I just like my mind run on it's own while enjoying the ride

>>39031775
good.

I was afraid to be Fi...well, not really 'afraid' but it would piss me off, as I'm pretty sure I'm ISTJ

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>>39031908
well fuck, thanks for at least cleaning this issue a bit

>>39031974
what annoys you the most

>>39031678
Do you prefer to be alone? Keep in mind that introverts do need human affection and attention (except INTJs lel), but they recharge by spending time alone introspecting. Do you connect random dots and think about abstract things ffor fun (Ne) or do you focus more on true understanding and being accurate (Ti)? If you're geared towards Ti and prefer solitude, you're INTP. If you enjoy dicking around with others and are more abstract and Ne, you're ENTP. Keep in mind though, ENTP is pretty introverted as far as extroverts go

>>39031700
I can debate just fine against ENTPs, INTJs, ENTJs. It's just those damn pesky INTPs who keep on stumping me. It's not all the time, I've won a few times against INTPs, but I'll admit they're usually better than me.

Rather than giving up because "oh noes im a dum dum feeler," I'll just improve my debate skills through practice and reading! If the world were full of quitters like you, were would we get? ;)

>>39032015
rude people... they really have a way of turning me into hitler for a few moments

>>39031984
its a real struggle. i find it hard to give any further advice, due to the fact that i am struggling with the same problem, and cant find the answers for myself. in my case, i havent had a lot of opportunity for socialization in the past few years. along with other extenuating circumstances. so my theory is if i change these factors, i will have the opportunities i need to accurately judge whether i am truly extroverted or introverted.

>>39031306
>it's pointless to stare into your reflection for hours trying to figure yourself (out)

INTP, signing in. Honestly you don't know what you're missing out on
not much

>>39031908
No prob. Hey, MBTI isn't all that well backed by, ya know, empirical studies. Perhaps you're just a hybrid between ENTP and ENFP, but you do seem to lean ENTP. If I were you I'd just call myself an ENTP. And hey, I've known INTPs who get moved by music. Maybe it's just a human thing, but more powerful or frequent for Fi users

>>39031910
Yeah, I suppose that works. A few INTPs I've known get really picky about that though, they believe it to be important. This is the main area where my issue debating INTPs arises. They believe my claims are too broad and sweeping, or find little holes I miss, while I find them to be overly focused on the details and missing the whole point. I suppose I'll just have to work on being better at dancing around their pickiness just so I can have the satisfaction of beating them at their own game!

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>>39032087
thanks anyway, I appreciate it.

>>39032081
what do you like the most

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>>39032152
I honestly cant say.

>>39031952
I dont do those things though bc I like to be correct in an argument. I do that in unimportant situations bc I dont care how they turn out when people ask me what I think but that's about it

>>39032189
better question what makes you happy

>>39032211
It's all just memes anyway. I think the "chaotic" part has some grounding, but ENTPs aren't evil. They can act edgy but I've known them to also be kind and democratic and try to include others

>>39032286
learning new things about the world

>>39032354
what are your spiritual beliefs

>>39018370
Can I get the attention of a new thread for my ESTP brothers ITT?

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>one chance at life
>born INTx

>>39032485
I believe that most religions only server to control people and make sure they don't just start cutting up their families at the slightest bit of anger, but the tools of the occult do hold true power.

>>39032653
expand please especially regarding the occult

>>39032591
INTJs are CUTE though.

>>39032794
Crippling social retardation isn't cute.

>>39032775
I believe that most people who practice their religion don't practice out of interest for the betterment of themselves and more so for the fear of going to hell or being out cast of whatever group they are from.

As for the tools of the occult I believe a cast majority of the practices and rituals of the occult do result in a real world affect in the world around you.

>>39032948
Do you think there are people who control the occult

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INFP's and other creatives types.
How much time do you spend working on your artsy-farsty projects?
I'm trying to go 8 hours everyday but i end up bored and tired after 2-3 hours of writing but then feel guilty about feeling tired and bored.

Chaotic evil checking in

>>39032932
I'd like a socially anxious bf to cuddle and keep safe desu

>>39033056
INTP, don't set myself a schedule but i easily end up going a few hours a day between music and writing. often it's just one or the other. creating everyday is good man but i think 8 hours sounds a little rough. you need to give yourself a few hours/days of buffer to recharge, rethink, gain new inspiration, etc. don't feel guilty. 2-3 is really good.

>>39033022
I think there are groups who practice the occult craft but not not to the point to locking out anyone outside their circles from learning of and practicing the occult craft themselves

>>39033249
where would you find these groups

>>39033322
Why don't you use any punctuation? Are you trying to convey depression in your posts?

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>>39031236
Buying into religion is a sure sign of normalfaggotry, robots ought to know better. I'm not autistic enough to yell at people even if it was possible to change their mind, which it isn't. That's why is so sad to see robots reading each other's palms in these threads, they should know better, I expect them to know normalfaggotry when they see it, this thread is one step away from having an "I fucking love science" thread almost daily.

>>39033377
>t. "knows it all"
but u don't my man

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>>39033322
I don't now man. Im not exactly getting invitations to the golden dawn here.

>>39033349
not that anon but i would like you to tell me what you think the utility of punctuation is

>>39018552
I'm INTP and lawful neutral

>>39033454
Typing properly makes you seem intelligent and invested in the conversation. Not using punctuation makes you look like a quiet, timid beta fag who tries to hide even on an anonymous Sri Lankan stir-frying forum.

>>39033557
lol what do you have to prove on the internet big guy

>>39033569
Oh, did I hit a nerve? If you have nothing to prove, how about you correct stop trying to be a unique snowflake and type like everyone else?

>>39033617
stop working yourself up over nothing

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>>39033395
"if you don't believe in literal fairy tails, or the 'personality test' developed by uneducated housewives, you must think you know EVERYTHING"
wow, how could I have been so close minded? Time to go pick up grimm's book of fairly tales, gotta stay prepared for what very well may be true!
If this was bait, congrats, you got me

>>39018370
I get ENTP on 16 personalities and ISFP on keys2cognition. What the fuck?

>>39029031
Why doesn't Ni need Si if it draws on memories?

>>39029087
How does an INTJ "think" subconsciously? What goes through their heads?

>>39033662
its not just about the test, myers & briggs developed on jung's theory of cognitive functions, which is the true basis for all of this. if you study the cognitive functions you wouldn't even have to take the test adapted by myers & briggs.

>>39033662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_psychology
this is how you sound

>>39034071
"he doesn't buy into psychology developed by the completely uneducated, sounds like he's advocating for the psychology of the uneducated"
Did you reply to the wrong poster?

>>39034023
If uneducated people "base" their horoscope on real psychology, that doesn't somehow make it valid

>>39028607
Ya know I've often thought about this myself. I'm an self typed INFP with very strong Ni and Fi, and when I take test I'm often listed as having a IQ between 130 and 135. My friends, most of which being INTJs, also have very high IQs. An exception to the rule is a friend of mine who's an ISTJ who scores roughly the same as me inside of IQ tests but has a terrible Ni comprehension. Now naturally this is anecdotal evidence; however, I think it goes to show that you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. Just because a person doesn't have good Ni doesn't mean that they will not have a high IQ.

>>39034341
so you discount jung's cognitive function theories as well?
i frankly don't see how this is even comparable to horoscope. its about the way you think, not what's going to happen in your future, or personality trait predictions with nothing to back it up. everything is explained by the cognitive functions. theoretical, yes. bullshit, maybe. but i have consistently observed it to be helpful and true in my life, and so have a lot of other people. so, i just look at it like an interesting tool. its not like i think "oh, hes an introvert so he cant do that." or "oh, hes a feeler, so he must ____." its not an absolute perfect science but it deserves some credit.

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can somebody help me decide on whether i'm intp or istp?
earlier this year, I'd always score istp on tests and last time i took tests i'm intp
>similarminds.com
Te (Extroverted Thinking) (50%)
Ti (Introverted Thinking) (80%)
Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (35%)
Ni (Introverted Intuition) (65%)
Se (Extroverted Sensing) (50%)
Si (Introverted Sensing) (65%)
Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (5%)
Fi (Introverted Feeling) (65%)
suggested type: istp
>keys2cognition
didnt like this test too much
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************** (20)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) *************************************** (39.2)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *************************************** (39)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************* (21.6)
limited use
extraverted Thinking (Te) *************************************** (39.2)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************************* (45.1)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********** (10.6)
unused
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************ (24.9)
average use
suggested type: intp

>>39033067

Yeah but you're a man so nobody wants rhat

>>39032135

At first i was gonna say you're a woman but after reading your posts i have decided you are too smart to be a woman

>>39035047
Thank you. I suppose I sometimes may come off as effeminate in the way I type, but I'm a guy, yep.

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>ENTP is chaotic evil
Witty bants is inherently neutral.

>>39035367
What ENTPs call "bantz" is shitting on people's deeply-held sacred beliefs. And trying to win arguments just for the sake of boosting their massive egos. Sounds pretty evil to me.

>>39034966
These results are too contradictory to be certain, but I have a feeling you're ISTP.

>>39033842
Basically, it's "knowing without knowing". It's picking up on a pattern but being unable to put it into words. For example I know what "Pascal's Wager" is and I lived by it before I read about it and was able to give my answers to the critics of Pascal's Wager before I read Pascal's answers, and they were the same as mine too hahaha. But if you asked me irl it would be very difficult for me to explain and you're better off asking someone else who can articulate better. Coming to a conclusion but being unable to explain it when asked. That's my best answer for right now

>>39035590
Sounds like they mean well though. Intentions>actions mostly. There's a threshold you can cross but usually intent takes precedance

>>39032094
I've done it before and it's helped like once or twice. Maybe. It's easier to think about what happened that lead yourself at odds with other people. If you can't find a problem inwardly, than it's almost certainly a factor outwardly. You're an idiot if you don't know yourself, esp if you spend most of your time alone. I've been alone even when I've been in groups and you don't see me getting lonely! You need to learn to be comfortable with yourself and to tackle challenges as they come rather than getting angsty with yourself and moping about the past. It helps no one not even yourself. That's why you're all so useless to me.

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>>39018552
>>39018370
>ENTJs are evil

>>39035790

>he is ENTJ
>he thinks he isnt evil

Comedy gold

>>39036251
Why exactly are we evil. If you listen to things we say, everything is ok

>>39018552
>>39018552
Im not neutral im bipolar

>>39036370


>i disagree with you
>alright let me just prepare my plan to kill you legally

Sounds pretty evil to me

>>39018552
>intp
>true neutral
>not evil
I want everything to burn and die, fuck this piece of shit of a world.

>>39036488
law is the most objective thing on the planet, only in front of law we are all equal. If law allows it, its not evil

>>39036550

I ment that as in finding a legal loophole or covering it up in some way.

>>39036516
intp can be chaotic neutral as entp.

tfw no intp gf
HOWISTHISNOTORIGINAL

BTFO my intp gf?!???!

INTP and completely neutral. I don't care what happens, I just want to watch.

>>39037223
What type are you? I'm surprised someone actually wants INTPs

>>39035790
Many ENTJs objectify people and use them for their own ends. And they only see their own perspective so they think everyone else deserves that treatment. At best they are just autistic, at worst they are outright nasty.

>>39038015
i actually dont know anon. I havent taken one in ages.
but all the girls i end up liking are intps

>>39018370
what is istp on this chart?

>>39038128
No idea anon
>>39018370
OP please explain, how the fuck do you read that chart? Does it make no sense or am I just retarded?