Right leaning

At this poin, I'm more anti-left than I am right.

>>38998958
Only reason I'm not a liberal is because I believe eugenics should be enforced to get rid of the stupidity and various genetic diseases from humanity, also feelings don't matter and they never will.
Other than that I'm pretty left wing.

Ethnic nationalism is usually considered right but I don't agree that it's outdated.

It's common among certain people to try to make the views they don't agree with seem outdated but it's not objectively true.
Really there's no forward and backward in this, the only thing it's about is how good the consequences of something is, regardless of wether is new or old.

These days it seems being left-wing is less about what particular policies you have as such, and more about your mindset. It's like this righteous fury they seem to have, that no matter what, whatever cause they're advocating for, they're advocating the side of righteousness and whoever opposes them is the enemy of righteousness. I know lefties have always been a bit sanctimonious and insufferable but it's basically become a fully-fledged religion at this point.

As soon as the left starts learning to laugh at themselves and taking themselves less seriously, the more elections they'll win and the less wariness they'll get from a general population tired of being lectured at and talked down to.

I feel both the left and right have changed. It's essentially become pure side taking now. It's not necessarily the policies of the side you're taking just, they're the side you're on and the other is the 'bad side'

>>38998993
This approach will never yield results; you're the political equivalent of a football fan shouting at a television with the hopes of influencing the game.

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remember: ideologies that don't pressure others into adopting them don't spread as well as ideologies that do. this is why abrahamic religion spread so rapidly, and this is why SJW culture spreads so rapidly. people are ostracized for having views that do not align with SJW standards. there are a lot of comparisons to be made with the mindset and religious mindsets. this is difficult for people to see, cognitive dissonance aside because the ideology has twisted social science into it's views and uses it to claim that science is on their side, even when their views directly contradict the observations of hard science fields.

I don't really care I just like anthropology. people who concern themselves with this kind of thing in either direction are basically the worker ants of humanity.

>>38999129
Pretty much. I really only want to see the government strip the rights of anarchists and act accordingly. I don't necessarily support any of he attainable policies held by right wing groups today. It's likely just the disgust i feel for the leftist cultural hegemony.

>>38999153
I don't really care about results. I'd probably oppose the right if they achieved the kind of cultural dominance the left currently has.

It's not a political or religious thing it's a moral guardian, pearl clutching, finger wagggling thing. Some people get off on sticking their nose in the air and chiding everyone who doesn't abide by their arbitrary morality. These people are loud and obnoxious and invade everywhere like roaches.

Right now, the most forward-thinking people are on the right, while the most insane are on the left. And it's not close.

Rightists crazies and LARPers are very annoying though.

That pic is somewhat true, but you're really overestimating how much leftists are forward thinking. Even they won't want to live in the world they're creating, that's why they all end up in white middle class areas.

>>38998958
That's what drove me towards the right. I just couldn't bear to associate with the people I saw shrieking homophobe, racist, sexist at everyone they opposed.

I still consider myself largely socialist but goddamn I would gladly start pushing feminists and blacks out of helicopters.

>>38999291
Not caring about results is a defeatist attitude and a mark of cowardice. It enables the leftist cultural hegemony that you claim to hate.

Feminists and Marxists do care about results, that's why they're winning and will continue winning until everything you cherish is damaged beyond recognition.

>>38999334
The notion of "forward thought" is inherently leftist. If you find "forward" thinking to be a reasonable outlook, you better reevaluate your stance on the sanity of the Left, because you've basically adopted their assumptions without having the insight to reach the logical conclusions thereof.

>have a board just for politics
>Don't use it
Golly gee

>>38999724
A good portion of the left has rejected notions of forward thinking and progress for some time.

>>38999793
Different boards offer different perspectives on politics. Dissent often gets drowned out on /pol/ out of volume, and people who disagree with the majority of /pol/ tend to avoid going there. /r9k/ is actually the best board for political discussion, I find

>>38999832
The Left has been espousing egalitarian utopianism since the 1840s and haven't even suggested stopping

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>>38999724
Alright then, you're equally as bad as a shitty leftist who can't argue anything besides moral superiority, because there are plenty issues which are in every sense imperative to our survival

Imagine an old man telling you "I've never seen a global warming in my lifetime, and no one before me has ever seen it. So why stop our growth? We've not seen the downsides to it. Oooo, 1 degree difference in 10 years? Big whoop. I gladly accept warmer spring breezes."

Now thank god he's not being sustained by anything making him literally immortal, because he will finally die and his opinion will stop mattering when the whole cataclyst that is global warming goes into an irreversible stage at which mass extinction or a leap in science would be able to solve.

Not only that but even for our own welfare "forward thinking" is crucial. Imagine how the baby boomers grew up in a society where they didn't have to graduate college to make a living and raise a family? That they changed nothing about the requirements as the market saturated and capitalism took a stronger grasp on distributing wealth to the ones who got in early, and working 30 hours a week just barely gets you by living alone and a college diploma is essentially useless.

Imagine that in the future we physically have enough resources to deprecate the idea of a working culture, but we're too caught in our "old ways that have worked" to actually speed up the rate of improvement/ science because we keep everyone "just barely drowning" in work their whole lives.

Forward thinking is real, and it is evolutionarily superior. It's why it's favoured in war, it's why despite having amazing equipment that can wipe out entire nations we don't fucking use it because the same shit would be used on us to wipe humanity out.

Now when forward thinking loses grasp on discernable science and leans too far into idealism, that's when you get "Man, wouldn't it be amazing to see an entirely african american united states?"

>>38999832
They were never for progress of forward thinking in the first place. To this day they still worship the false god of Equality. A more disgusting thing I cam unable to imagine. How anyone can actually want it is beyond me. the helicopter ride is too good for these types.

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>>39000254
I'm all for improving the disparagement blacks get in the USA. It's not a "lel its their IQ" anymore; entire societies are stuck in an endless loop of "dad leaves, kids grow up expecting to not get anywhere in life, respect thug culture as an outlet, grow up to be pieces of shit, fuck irresponsibly, bail on kids, repeat"

I don't really think inherently blacks are lower intelligent, to the point that they destroy societies. I think there should be a shot at life on an individual level. Cause really it's kind of like how religion acts on a society. How easily it sinks its teeth in and outright ruins it in many cases, especially for individuals seeking to transcend that shit.

But making lower barriers to entry to college absolutely doesn't fix the issue. If anything it perpetuates the "blacks aren't as intelligent" meme, changes nothing about their upbringing (didn't even to begin with, only rich overpriveledged blacks get into these programs anyway)

But

It's just "UGH, you can't be right and hold this opinion!!!"

This whole "Hey maybe blacks are getting shafted left and right, and is only perpetuating their degeneracy" perspective would be considered left, but by and large the left bastardize this totally fair point of view and turn it into some moral agenda to seek vengeance on the behalf of blacks.

>>39000484
maybe i'm just dumb, but i feel like an almost military-like authoritarian school environment would be best. gives the kid structure, pressure to perform well, a sense of "legitimacy"

several studies imply authoritarian teaching styles consistently work to some extent. the issue is how you transition them into real world situations

>how bad the vast majority of them need to get good at arguing/ understanding other points of view.
I don't get where this meme comes from. Either way, it's just propaganda. Outside the internet or right wing arenas where they intentionally bring stupid as fuck leftists, it's usualy the other way around.

I used to be a centrist but the insanity of liberals drove me to the extreme right. Jokes on them I guess.

>>38998958
>forward-thinking
Can you explain what that actually means?

All it ever seems to mean is more liberal attitudes towards sexual promiscuity.

I've seen a lot of stupid arguments for things I agree with but regarding some questions I don't think I've ever seen reasonable counterarguments against what I think.
In some cases it seems like almost no one in a certain side of an argument has any idea what the other ones think and just hate them based on nothing.
It's especially common among the lefts opinions on race and ethnic groups.

>>39000873
forward thinking means white genocide and extreme sexual degeneracy apparently, since that's what liberals push for nowadays.

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>>39000873
Embracing new technologies/ development

Embracing concepts of new lifestyles, like automation of jobs and debunking the myth that life has to be 40 hour work weeks until you're 60 years old

Tackling problems that haven't been relevant in the past but will become huge problems in the future, like global warming

It's just you can't think on these topics without the ability to consider multiple points of view at once. So you get one solid "Oh my god, yes we can totally automate production of food/ services to the point at which instead of massive unemployment, robots are basically serving us" sort of idea, but then be unable to back off from it- even exagerating it or believing it's sooner than it reasonably could be, and making anyone in the way of this some sort of "bastion of evil"

Which is essentially what's happening on the forefront of diversity. It's no longer a solid and fair idea; it's a bastardization because people feel inclined to fight a battle of moral superiority rather than take things down a notch to reasonable discussion of ideas. (Which I'm guessing 90% of the population is actually physically incapable of)

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"my feels > your facts"

and thus I became a righty

>>39001415
That's terrible writing. No-one would ever say something like that, in that way, in a situation like that.

>>39001415
Jesus Christ, did Buckley write this?

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>>39001489
It's what happens when you hire people like this.

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>>39001600
How did she get a job.

>>39001600
I don't understand why we can't stop pandering to people like this. If you want to be a "cool, diverse and progressive company" I don't care. Do you have to hire the most unhinged, vitriolic mental patients you can find? Is it so bad to draw some kind of line in the name of professionalism?

>>39001755
Those sorts of people would call "professionalism" a made-up, white, patriarchial term of oppression.

I want to know who they're afraid of. Why are companies so scared of offending these people? They're a minority. They aren't in any real positions of wealth, power or influence. They pose no threat.

>>39001902
These people always throw such massive temper tantrums they probably just find it easier to give into their demands.

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anyone else /nazbol/ here?

>>38998958
>left
>sane positions
I just came here to call your thread shit

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>>39002085
That just makes that picture shit, not necessarily any follow up discussion in the thread itself. Though, yeah, the pic is shit, or perhaps outdated.

>>39001755
>>39001902
Most likely the decision comes from higher up. It's also hilariously failing and the sales seem terrible, so at least there's that.

>>38998958
Liberalism and the left are two completely different things, faggot. You can practise conservative liberalism or you could be an authoritarian leftist. It's the people both on the left and the right who practise extremism that have created this complete shitshow we call the modern socio-political climate because they BOTH take a civilised ideology then fuck it up the ass until that ideology becomes too extreme and makes no sense. And it's the people who practise extremism who do not know how to have an intellectual, civilised debate in which to share concepts, accept, and progress. The extreme left isn't a representation of the entirety of the left, just like the extreme right isn't a representation of the entirety of the right. If you don't have some liberal convictions then you are the problem, doesn't matter whether you're on the left or right.

>>38999005
>feelings don't matter and they never will

I mean, if that were actually the case you'd be in favor of global open borders and common markets, with no restrictions on migration or tariffs. You know how much money we make off of illegals (factoring in what they cost, I mean; in pure public "profit")? But instead, if you self identify as right wing in 2017 you're probably drawn to abstract ideas like the meaningfulness of the nationstate, and of the importance of "buying American," and preserving Anglo-American culture as the dominant one in the US. And, if you're a /pol/ faggot, you probably think race should be an ideological consideration in policy.

People who say "feelings don't matter, I'm all about the facts" in politicla discourse are usually being intellectually dishonest or lack self awareness. Of course, maybe I'm wrong and you really do only care about growth, security, and numbers.

>>38998958
I'm confused because Minorities can pull the "Remove all whites, we need our own society." Shit, but if Whites say "Remove all minorities, we need our own society.", it's literally treated like "9/11 Part 2: Two Towers wasn't enough".

Explain the hypocrisy, one side can push for segregation under the guise of progression, but the other can't.

>>39002480
Most of those who say that facts matter over feelings think that their opinions are facts, see /pol/ for example. On the one hand showing infographs how they're superior to everyone else, om the other hating on everyone who's superior to them because it contradicts their worldviews. Right now I often have the feeling people are arguing with everything supporting their point of view while ignoring everything that contradicts them, be it feelings or facts. I'm not saying that facts should be ignored, but as subjective beings we interpret facts differently and there's nothing we can do about it.

>>39002931
In what context do you think it's acceptable for them to push segregation? No major political party supports segregation of race, at least not in western countries.

I dislike republicans but really hate democrats

>>39003436
Are you implying that it only matters when some big time congressman is pushing it? It doesn't. A large amount of Modern Colleges, Yale and Harvard being some of then are now catering to these people.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/23/americas-new-racial-segregationists-are-on-the-left/

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/05/segregation-now/359813/

>>39004170
>incoherent blabbering
>"ahblobloblo fucking leftist blah blah blah
Your articles reads like any thread on /pol/, including dumb rambling how everyone but them is stupid

>>38999886
You're conflating two entirely different notions of foresight and normative thinking. I agree that foresight and anticipation are important for the survival of civilization.

>>39002427
Wrong. Leftism constantly shifts society leftwards. Both liberalism and Leftism subscribe to the same principles of egalitarianism and class inversion. The insane people are the centrists, the ones who hold the assumptions of the Left but refuse to take them to their logical conclusions.

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If you truly believe that the left is "relatively sane", then you're a fucking retard.

Modern left is a smorgasbord of cognitive dissonance. The left wants to push LGBT Civil Rights while pushing more pro Islamic refugees, most of which think it's perfectly fine to kill homosexuals. The left is also pro open borders/illegal immigration, essentially creating an illegal serf underclass who immediately depress wages making everything "affordable" while also demanding higher minimum wages at the same time, making things "unaffordable". Many leftist are pro Communist, you know the group responsible for killing off every "undesirable" including gays/lesbians, trannies, the mentally retarded(leftist) and the crippled. The Nazi's did the same thing but they also killed Jews and that's where the left draws the line.

Most leftist are pro individual liberties, except when it comes to the right to defend yourself, or free speech, or the right of association. Hell, look at CA, the most liberal state in the union. CA has the highest taxes in the union but one of the biggest tax breaks for wealthy individuals, leaving the middle class footing the bill for illegal immigrants, medicaide/medicare and all the other disastrous fiscal policy. On any given day you can hear someone from CA speak about wanting to help the poor, yet CA has the highest number of homeless people in the country, ranging in the MILLIONS. You'll have rich celebrity A just pass by and ignore thousands of homeless people on their day to work but then make a speech about how it's societies responsibility to help the poor and homeless while they refuse to do anything about it themselves.

The reason the left doesn't have "valid arguments" is because they have NO arguments. All the left has is shitty slogans like "no justice, no peace, no racist police", "black lives matter", and the mantra of everything being "FREE".

>>39004725
>wall of text
>retarded opinion
>gets political opinions from /pol/
Honestly, I'm not surprised.

>>39004725
>Le Democratic party is leftist maymay
It's centrist neoliberal party

>>39004872

>Zero arguments

You're the aforementioned retard I was just talking about.

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>>39004725
Dude stop.

>>38998958
Synthesis of ideas don't come from minor differences between very similar parties. Read Hegel and Marx senpai. Read up. Left doesn't end at Liberal.
Also opinion spawns from the material conditions of a society and how they're perverted by denial of mass interest. The mass ideology of those who employ and are well off and those who are employed and not well off are staunchly different.
One of the reasons conservative ideas are "easy to understand" is because
>>38999334
the general concept of cutting welfare and rich people's taxes is watered down with fear and race-based politics.

>>38999334
>>38999832
The idea of progress is based on having a vision of society and pursuing it in politics. As such, reactionary is in reference to how people on the right react to progressive ideas of change.

>>38999793
/pol/ wasn't created for politics but for quarantining the racebait posters and nazis on old /news/