>he fell for the global warming meme explain yourself

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>>38872366
>implying the scientific data from 40 years ago is more actuate then the technology we have today

It takes all kinds

>>38872366
hehe solid b8 haha

>>38872366
We are still technically in an ice age
Prove that global warming is false

>>38872522
spoiler alert we still dont know shit yet

>1970s environmental science is more sophisticated than today's They call it climate change because we don't quite know what a 2C rise in global temperatures will do, but we know things will be different.

>>38872590
Sure, but you can't deny the improvements. Unless you are retarded

>>38872366
time articles=/=scientific papers

>>38872522
>>38872642
>it's new so it's better!

not an argument

>>38872573
Manmade global warming is a meme

>>38872686
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Here read this

>>38872686
>New farming isn't as effective as old farming!

Really makes you think

>>38872717
>nasa
biased source

>>38872742
>New farming is only more effective because it's new
so if I make something bad today it's better than the good thing I made yesterday simply because it's more new?

>>38872366
I don't understand atheists who believe in global warming, like you don't believe in God cause you don't see proof but you take global warming on faith, like , you're not a scientist you just believe what they say but you don't know if it's true or not.

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>>38872366
>Meteorologists cannot accurately predict tomorrow's weather let alone next week's weather with today's technology and methodology
>The exact same technology and methods of weather prediction can somehow accurately predict the weather in 40 years
Really gets the neurons firing

>>38872686
That's like saying guns are less effective at killing than fucking slings made by nigger cavemen cuz it's old xd

>>38872954
drumpf believes it's false so it must be true

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yes surely a 1% increase in the amount of IR radiation coming back at the Earth due to CO2 is a cause for concern

surely it will only get worse as we're long past the point of deceleration on the logarithmic scale of how this actually works

s u r e l y

>>38873027
That's completely different. Learn to read and understand.

>>38872954
Youre saying that personal studies are useless, an individual know nothing without personal experience. So what youre essentially saying is youre not quite sure sex is a real thing, because youve never had it.

>>38872954
>World is progressively becoming warmer
>Polar ice caps are melting
Hurr durr muh atheists are dum cuz muh """""""No proof"""""""

Fuck off

>>38872954
Your post leads me to believe you have no understanding of thinking or opinions.

>>38873034
>Before Zroompfh, everyone believed in climate change
>Zroompfh ruined everything
I heard he even gets 2 scoops of ice cream

>>38872959
weather and climate are different things to predict
you may think one or two degrees of average temperature is nothing to worry about but consider that humans are very well adapted to climate change, most flora and fauna are very sensitive, just look at what ocean acidification has done

>>38873120
12 year old normies dont understand what flora or fauna is

>Time
>the same magazine that thinks everything both causes and prevents cancer depending on how they are feeling at the moment
>a reliable scientific barometer
I won't even grace you with a wacky reaction image.

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>>38873109
HOW MANY SCOOPS DID YOU SAY??

>>38873120
Manmade climate change is a wild guess at best.
Just go nuclear and end the debate already.

>>38873080
>this is somehow our fault
>it's impossible that the earth climate could be influenced by factors that humans have no part in

>>38873195
>Factories spewing out pollution
>Fertillizer runoff destroying eater sources
>Coral reefs being killed

Your right im just stupid

>>38872954
Because believing in god is believing in something that there is no evidence of. Not just evidence that I can personally verify, but virtually no one outside of religious circles says there is any evidence of it either. And those who do say there's evidence their evidence is never convincing and is often debunked by others, who at least to my layman ears sound a lot more convincing.

When it comes to climate change, it's different than having faith in a higher power, though admittedly it is still a version of faith, but it's faith in something that is real and tangible. People. I think it's fair to have a greater faith that of all the people researching and promoting climate change science if it really was bogus, don't you think the truth would filter out somehow? I'd say most people do genuinely want to do the right thing (because it's biologically programed into us as a species) and so it doesn't seem to be a hard sell to believe that with millions of people on the case the true answer will be the one that filters to the top. And that is that climate change is real.

>>38872959
You dolt.

Climate change isn't based on predicting if it's going to rain 40 years from now. It's about analyzing the changes in the general climate over the past thousands of years using concrete evidence and looking at where that course is going to take us in the future.

IF the climate was stable for 10000 years, and in 100 years suddenly the average temperature increases by a few degrees, do you think that should be considered normal par for the course? No. And after looking at the evidence it's abundantly clear that there are way more pollutants in the air than there ever has been before. "Gee" you might ask, "how could that be? What has changed in the last 100 years from the millions of years before??" Oh it might just be caused by all the fuel we burn and carbon dioxide we dump into the atmosphere.

It's really not hard to understand. Please educate yourself.

>>38873181
I refuse to use nuclear unless every reactor is a modern generation breeder reactor.

>>38872746
So what, all sources are biased. No one goes to the extreme effort to write and publish shit for it to exist in a vacuum.

Learn to read between the lines or forget to read at all

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>>38873396
CO2 has no effect on the climate.
>Please educate yourself
Lol.

>>38872746
Ok why is it biased? Would it be apt for me to say you are exercising your bias for saying so? The amount of people these days that are so entrusting as to outright avoid any source of information regardless of its validity simply because of the source is staggering.

Howabout this, why don't you read the article from Nasa and then also read articles from sources you trust. Compare contrast and you'll be better for it.

IF you only pick resources from one side of an argument you'll never see the bigger picture.

Man I've only been on this board for about 30 minutes now and already I've encountered enough stupid to fill my day.

>>38872366
>he fell for the global warming meme
>explain yourself
the media aren't scientist

>>38873542
NASA is a government agency, it gets money from the government, do you expect it to publish research that go against the government's interests? The government wants to increase its power, it wants everyone to fall for the global warming meme, the (((people))) behind the government want us to buy electricity from abroad to destabilize our economy and make debt and inflation go up.

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Hey Global warming memers guess what?

The economic models for global warming are bull shit

>>38872746
>the agency that does more than 80% of all space-based research and recruits the best and brightest from all around the world should be discarded entirely
I guess we should focus on Breitbart and TheDailySheeple to spoonfeed us the """truth""" then?

>>38872959
not saying climate change is real but long term patterns are WAY easier to predict than short term

find a stronger argument

>>38873516
>CO2 has no effect on the climate
CO2 does have an effect on climate and it's a scientific fact that is not debated by anyone with even basic knowledge in climatology. Do you get off on being purposely stupid?

>>38872954
I don't understand atheists who believe the earth is round. They just believe this on faith. Pathetic really

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>>38872954
>I don't understand atheists who believe the earth is a sphere, like you don't believe in God cause you don't see proof but you take a spherical planet on faith, like , you're not a scientist you just believe what they say but you don't know if it's true or no

>>38874291
Also the Earth is flat btw.

>>38872522
science though lol
they couldn't do math back then because they were retarded

addition was literally invented 10 years ago

>>38872954
> faith
You mean ears of data and observational evidence of the greenhouse effect of CO2 in microclimates.

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Flat earthers are all memeing, right? It's all an elaborate ruse? An inside joke?

I want to believe that people aren't this stupid.

Even if global warming is real who cares? Ice caps have been melted before and life was just fine. We're technically in an ice age because of all the surface ice in the poles. For lots of earth history they didn't even exist.

>>38873516
Time scale on 2nd graph is way too small. Needs to cover more like 100 years to be meaningful.

>>38874436
Some of them are and some of them aren't. It's a sad thing really.

>>38872686
> Just because today's cars are "new" doesn't mean they're any better than my trusty old Cutlass!

>>38872686
There's more data now to base the climate change argument on.

>>38874436
If the earth was round we would fall off

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If Global Warming isn't real then how do you explain a sunrise?

>>38872959
It's really difficult to predict short term noise (i.e. weather). It's quite not as difficult to predict long-term trends (i.e. climate).

For an example, consider the gas milage of your car. On any given day it's hard to predict the exact number (maybe it's 26, maybe it's 22, who knows) but if you put a giant sail on your car you can be pretty sure that the average will go down due to drag. Based on your logic you would say "wow, you can't even predict the day-to-day milage, how can you predict that the sail will do anything?"

Now, admittedly, the exact numerical value of that uptick is still hard to predict. I'm not really a fan of when people say stuff like "the sea is going to rise X feet" because then when the sea rises X-1 feet everyone will say the prediction was wrong and ignore the overall trend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbW-aHvjOgM

Watch this. Time is not a reliable source.

>>38873080
Wait so taxing the citizens will make it get colder?

It pains me to see environmentalism turn into a such a meme.
Notice that when "alternative energy" gets pushed, it's always shit like solar cells or wind turbines that aren't in any way suited to the energy needs of a modern city.
It's all a scam to create a scarcity of energy so that power companies can raise the price of electricity and let it fluctuate just like the price of gasoline and diesel. Imagine the shock that solar panel memers will feel when it costs just as much to charge their electric car as it did to fill the tank on their old car.
Meanwhile, energy sources that are actually good like hydro power and nuclear fall to the wayside because muh Chernobyl.
Carbon taxes are another meme that turned environmentalism into the joke it is today. Textbook example of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. The average person still wants tonnes of manufactured bullshit like a new phone every year, but they don't want manufacturers to pollute the landscape. The solution to this? Move all the factories to third world countries so we can pollute their environment instead of our own. Such compassion!

>>38873155
Just ask any group of (((scientists))) about coffee, milk, and bread and see how both sides start screeching autistically.

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>>38872366
December 1973

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601731203,00.html

No mention of global cooling.

January 1977

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601770131,00.html

An article about cold weather in the US. NOT about "global cooling".

April 1977
The cover in your picture is not real. It was from a 2007 edition of Time magazine about global warming you fucking shill piece of shit.
pic related

http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley/

December 1979
Again a story on winter weather in the US.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601791224,00.html
Out of all the cancer in this site, pol disinfo is undoubtedly the worst.
Kill Yourself

>>38874436
It probable started as a joke and became dogma for gullible retards.

>>38872366
We call it global warming but its more Extreme Climate Change, whereas the our winters will get alot colder and our summers alot hotter, which we'll be extremely bad for the Environment which then makes it bad for us

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>>38873178
ZORGONALT GROMBLENUMPF!!! TWO SCOOPS??? TWO GENDERS??? TWO TERMS???

>>38872742
New farming is just more efficient and quicker, not better. In fact, I can confidently say the quality probably got worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXoRSIxyIU
I....
I thought you guys were better than this

>>38872366
If all official and peer-reviewed data shows that Earth is heating at an alarmingly drastic rate, unlike any other time in history, and 99.8% of all climate scientists agree that it is most like of man's doing, then why not fall for the meme?
>inb4 I'm called a Liberal
I'm a social Conservative, and economically on the centre-right. I am no liberal.

>>38872366
now this is some antique bait

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>>38877748
(((official)))
(((scientists)))

>>38874470
That's technically correct. They aren't better because they're new, and justifying something based on it being new is a logical fallacy.

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>>38872366
Oh boy I would love to argue with retard scientific illiterates on /r9k/ about what Time Magazine published. What a fucking great use of my time.

Pro tip: if you are submitting the cover image of Time Magazine as serious evidence then you are a fucking faggot ass retard and there's no more to be said about it than that.

>>38878331
>He cares about the future
>He doesn't want to see coastal hipsters drown
>He doesn't fantasize about roasties having to whore themselves out for water
>He isn't planning on killing himself in the next five years anyways
Hello normalfag.

>>38877885
>every independent scientist in their own small lab who studies this completely independently and publishes papers independently from every country in the world ranging from USA, Argentina, Netherlands, Montenegro, Laos, China, Japan, Russia, and many other countries... every single one of them is part of a gigantic Jew conspiracy to take over your TV and porn or whatever it is you fucking /pol/ retards believe

yeah sounds really LEGIT

>>38878377
I didn't even say my stance on the issue, illiterate. Kill yourself much sooner than 5 years. Right now would be best.

>>38872954
What a simple life, to be this retarded. I bet he is happy due to simply not knowing anything about the world. He is too stupid to realize human incompetence.

>>38872366
I hope global warming is true and every living thing on earth would be BTFO.
Fuck the normies.

>>38872366
IF GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL THEN WHY COME THE EARTH IS FLAT? CHECK MATE ATHEISTS!

~actual climate change skeptic "argument"

>>38878525
Life is incredibly resilient and will not be eradicated.

>>38877885
(((Fucking)))
(((Utter)))
(((Retard)))

Even if global warming is a myth why the fuck wouldn't you still have to take care of the planet.

>>38872959
It's almost as if predictions about trends are more accurate than predictions about isolated events.

>>38878600
yeah I guess so, to not destroy ecosystems and the animals that dwell and support them.

>>38878600
it costs 100 billions to reduce our impact on the "global warming" by 0.001%

and of course it's only western countries who have to do it

>>38878839
or you could stop being a fucking faggot idiot and just build thorium reactors and then the problem is completely solved.

woah. too bad stupid fucking hippies like you think nuclear power is the devil

>>38878839
So just stay the course and keep on polluting? That's your solution? Jesus we are fucked.

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>>38878600
Hope this gay earth becomes a shit show so i am gonna pollute as much as i can.
If you care about this planet, you are a normie and need to gtfo.

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>>38872366
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908218,00.html
The first TIME cover under "Global Cooling", if you read the part of the article provided, it is about the oil crisis of that time period. The graph the guy on the cover is holding is a graph of oil prices.

http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,918620-1,00.html
(Can be read by non-subscribers for some reason.)
The second TIME cover under "Global Cooling" actually contradicts the idea that it was "global", seeing as it mentions that the temperature in Anchorage, Alaska was in fact warmer than usual (more reason to call it climate change instead of global warming). This edition covers one particular continental American winter, and makes no reference to "global cooling" or a "new ice age".

http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/
The third TIME cover under "Global Cooling" in that image is an edit of one from 2007 warning about global warming.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,947122,00.html
As for this last edition, I wasn't able to find the full thing, but I did find more of the first page than the link above shows archived on a post on "Prison Planet Forum", which I've attached in pic related. It looks like another article like that of the first and second.

Now fuck off. Here, I'll make it easy for you.
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/

>>38872366
Well I guess I fell for it when I read the research that shows carbon in the atmosphere traps heat and that we were emitting a shitton of carbon. Coincidentally the temperate readings were going up too.

I can understand people being skeptical of various proposed solutions to combat global warming; carbon credits/emissions trading sounds like trivatising the sky, carbon taxing looks like a government money grab. I can understand people rejecting some of the apocalyptic alarmism. Humanity will carry on through rising sea levels.

But to deny that it's happening at all is the delusion of brainlets. Dickheads who arrogantly believe they're smarter than scientists who've studied the topic their whole life.

>>38878839
>and of course it's only western countries who have to do it
1. Western countries caused it. Yes yes I know India and China pollute too, but nowhere near the same level per capita and they'll still pay their fair share of the cleanup
2. Western nations are the only ones who can afford it.

>>38873027
Actually guns as a mechanism haven't changed since their birth; all we've done is refine what was already the best way of killing someone

>>38872954
In an athiest who doesn't believe in global warming and am a proud supporter of trump

>>38879811
There is little to no doubt that greenhouse gases in the atmosphere can raise the temperature of a planet.

The unknowns are "how much change in CO2 levels is required" and "on what time frame will changes occur?" and "will there be regional variability in the effects?"

All three of these questions have to be answered before anyone can even attempt to make a reasonable cost/benefit analysis of any proposed solution.

I can be described as a global warming skeptic not because I think that CO2 has nothing to do with the temperature of Venus, but because I think that climatologists have institutionally made the *political* judgment to pretend to have much better answers to my three questions than they actually have - and that they've done this in order to lay the policy groundwork for a whole raft of changes that environmentalists just happen to want for reasons not related to global warming.

You can't answer any of those three questions until your models work and can be proven to be predictive. All of the models offered to date have failed longitudinally. It's that simple, really.

Not only that, but as additional time has passed many of the temperature proxies being used to fill holes in the model data are being exposed as flawed or wrong. The tree ring data offered on every stupid Discovery Network show as a good proxy for temperature? It turns out it's not. That doesn't stop "scientists who've studied the topic their whole life" from leaving that proxy in their models, though.

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>>38872959
It's the liberals' religion. They have their original sin in the form of being born a white male; they have their heretics in the form of 'xenophobes'; they have their faith-based mythologies about equality; and they have their Armageddon in the form of Climate Change. There is no arguing with an intolerant religion--the adherents will only get angrier and angrier the more their inconsistencies are questioned. You're just supposed to have faith in our new clergy and the fabled 97%, even though we don't know who they are.

I mean, since when has a scientist ever been wrong? Just learn to love the fact that your government will take your money and give it to poor countries in the name of cap and trade.

>>38880318
>entire post is literally a giant strawman
read the thread