Commie Thread

>>38832980
Back to Venezuela with you starving faggot.

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>>38832980
>Libertarian Capitalists aren't actual Anarchists
The who the heck are, the people who would kill you for asking for the freedom to work for a wage?

>mob rule communism is anarchy
>society sans government, with property rights, self defense, and all human interaction being voluntary and mutually beneficial is not anarchy

the only solution to such insanity is helicopters

No thanks, I'm not into that submission and bootlicking stuff. The traps might like it though.

>>38833053
Venezuela is not socialist, they just nationalized the oil and used to money to make the life of poor people slightly less bad.
Socialism = means of production owned by the worker state.

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>>38833053
>2017
>Not a Communist

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>>38833064
lmao, not seen this bait before

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>>38833253
>steep decline in average earnings
Well we already know that pic is full of shit

>>38832980
You guys think NazBol is propaganda too? I always thought NazBol propoganda was meant to brainwash nazis into becoming commies and not the other way around, huh.

Just a reminder that if you're a neet or wageslave you cannot afford to be anything but a socialist.

>>38832980
Death to all Communists.

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>>38833285
>I always thought NazBol propoganda was meant to brainwash nazis into becoming commies
They really miss the mark if that's their intention, because they fail to understand the right-wing ideologies are fundamentally hierarchal in nature. They keep trying to be the "cool" version of communism for the fascists yet retain the one thing that fascism despises most, the illusion of equality.

>>38833291
NEETs are more like an aristocracy. NEETs don't work, so why would they identify with the working class.

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Leftcom is max comfy
>don't do anything
>act condescending because you've read more theory

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>>38833291
NEETs can only exist because the prosperity that capitalism brings is so abundant that humanity is willing to take a small portion of it to keep the useless portion of society alive. Wageslavery is a spook.

>>38833359
Aristocrats had passive income, neets are dependent on the teat of the state and goodwill of their parents.

>>38832980

>Antifa is not a communist organizations

They're the same leftist shit, anon.

>>38833403
I mean neet himself really can't openly identify himself as a capitalist or libertarian because he'd get shot down immediately for hypocrisy and contradiction in his ideology and way of life.
Also, giving any free shit to underachievers is always conceding to socialism.

>>38833427
>passive income
Have you never heard of NEETbux?

>Wageslavery is a spook.
Doing a full week and making barely enough to scrape by, then.
>>38833749
Welfare isn't really income though. More like institutionalized charity.

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>>38833825
>Doing a full week and making barely enough to scrape by, then.
Finish high school, finish college, don't get pregnant before you've accomplished the aforementioned two things, and your life is set for avoiding a miserable existence of scraping by.

>>38833825
Money comes in every month. If that isn't an income, I don't know what is.

>>38833906
Still just charity. And the state can decide you're not eligible for it any time.

>>38834065
You seem to be hung up on pointless semantics, and if we are to get technical it is not 'charity' it is more like a grant.

>>38833064
If you are to have the maximum possible freedom then, paradoxically, you cannot have the "freedom" to give up your freedom even if it's "voluntarily".

It is the difference between seeing liberty as something immaterial and intricate - an idea worth something and a desirable condition of human existence - or just as another commodity to be bought and sold.

>>38834129
You seem to be hung up into thinking that if you can bullshit the state into giving you money for nothing you're still on equal footing to someone who invested time and effort and created some tangible value for the same sum.

>>38833064
If you want to work for others and keep a society going you absolutely are not an anarchist. You're just an edgy capitalist.

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>>38832980
Top kek!
you good goys only went and made your self your own safe space after single handedly getting your arse handed to you by that one "evil nazi", who completly dismantaled your ideolgy of (((marxism))) by feeding you some harsh truths in the form of enlightenmemt about national socalism and what it truly stands for, whilst exposing what your kike ideolgy truly stands for.

Oh but this is where the fun begins you see, we are now on neutral ground and i dont plan on going anywhere else for a long time and you wanna know why?
Well because you and your other commie cucks thought it might be funny to leak out of your containment board and start constantly raiding /nsg/ despite us never raiding your board!
So you might want to call in some back up from your freinds over at (((sharia blue))) and (((/leftypol/))) cause this shits about to get started!

>>38834129
It's an "investment."

>>38834293
>about national socalism and what it truly stands for
What? Losing a war? Other than that what's it known for
also, >implying all communists use /leftypol/ or raid /nsg/

I would rather we just say in our own threads/boards and try to live in peace

Communists are genocidal totalitarian scumbags.

>>38834461
Sounds more like Fascists and Capitalists.

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>>38834178
>you cannot have the "freedom" to give up your freedom even if it's "voluntarily"
And this is why the idea of anarchism (or at least leftist anarchism) is just silly, oppressing people in the name of freedom should just be dismissed at the sheer thought of how ridiculous it is.

>>38834238
The idea that people gain value and purpose through utility is not aristocratic. You reduce yourself to mere tool.

>>38834293
LMFAO the cartoon kekked me out hard.

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>>38832980
Do you think old Zhou Enlai or old Mao looks more like a pepe? Your best friend is jealous of you and doesn't tell you that you have cancer so you don't get treated and die. Feels bad man.

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>>38834272
>keep a society going
I don't think even the leftists anarchists want to bring about the downfall of society itself.

>>38834501
You misunderstand. It is not that there is a rule against selling your liberty that some hierarchy imposes on people. It is that the concept of "freedom" is such that selling it is by definition impossible. It is considered an inherent part of you as a human being, as inseparable from you as your thoughts and emotions.

It would be liking 'selling one's friendship' in that you can't really do it. You can SAY it, sure, but kinda by definition if you can sell it it's not REAL friendship.

In other words, it is to consider freedom priceless - a higher a concept and idea - and not a commodity.

>>38832980
I hope Kim dunks on the US harder than Ho Chi Minh

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>>38834776
>It is that the concept of "freedom" is such that selling it is by definition impossible
I think we're on two different pages here, because it's not like I'm talking about slavery or anything, I'm merely talking about wages. We have to take into consideration that working for a wage isn't selling your freedom, but rather selling your time or labor, and you are free at any time to stop the second it displeases you. And time and labor very much IS a commodity that can be bought and sold.

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>>38834426
I care not for war cause any nation can fight to win when they have numbers in their favour, but I am more concered about results in how well an ideolgy performs within a socitey.
Take for example national socalist germany
>went from being an imbaresment to a one of the worlds top ecnomic power houses in the space of under a decade.
>science and inovation that was the envy of the world in regards to, the V2, The panzer IV, the STG44 etc.
>A socitey that took a big step foward and was the first to introduce animal welfare and enviromental legisaltion
>the socitey that brought out the first anti smoking campaigns
>a socitey that was virtually free from degeneracy
>an authobahn construction scheme that got people back working and drastically reduced unemployment
>the first ever holiday reward scheme for workers.
>a socitey where workers were treated fairly, yet bussiness and inovation was booming.
>a socitey that was soverign and free to rule its self away from the hands of international finance

>>38834953
You correctly identify the central issue, but you are incorrect. Yes, labour power is sold as a commodity, obliviously: but in reality your labour IS you, just as your time IS you. Your mind, body, life. It cannot be separated from you; your time and labour to not go off to work while you stay home playing vidya. YOU go and YOU work. Your energy. Hours of YOUR limited lifespan.

You are selling yourself, by piecemeal and not in whole, but you are selling yourself. During those 8+ hours, you are a slave. All you accomplish, all you think, immediately becomes the ownership of another, one whom controls your every move.

Labour, just like humans, CAN be commodified and sold on market. But it is NOT like any other commodity, in it being part of ourselves.

>>38835036
>A society that stripped away workers' civil rights after a single small-scale disaster
>A society that stripped citizenship from their own people
>A society that slaughtered their own people wholesale
>A society that started slaughtering the people of surrounding nations wholesale
>A society that wholeheartedly supported a war they had no chance of winning simply because their delusional leader wished it
>A society that got destroyed by communists who had even less time to rebuild than germany

??? are you serious dude

Communism is trash
Don't believe this faggot's Commie lies
Go read the fucking Gulag Archipelago
Kys Commie faggot
Better off dead than red
Stalin did everything wrong

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>>38835082
>During those 8+ hours, you are a slave
No, during those 8 or so hours, I have a job, which is hardly the same thing as being a slave. My thoughts and will are my own, I can quit at any time, and they can't force me to do anything, let alone tell me to do something that they didn't hire me to do. We both are making a trade that we agree are beneficial to ourselves. I am no more enslaved when working for a wage than I am when doing a favor for a friend.

>>38835192
Communism is grand
Listen to Communists and seriously consider their arguments
Go read State and Revolution
Commies should gear up and hit the gym
Liberals get the bullet too
Stalin did nothing wrong

>>38835222
You can quit THAT job, but you have to have A job. You are better off that a traditional slave because you get to choose your massa and massa gonna be good to ya. But you still have a massa.

You having nothing but your labour, yourself, to sell. That makes you one of the dispossessed, and part of the working class. To suppose that there can be equal bargaining between you and someone who owns an industry is just silly. That deal is NEVER going to come out in your favour.

communism ruined my country and sent it into decades of poverty
better dead than red

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>>38834426
Now if we have a look at communism, socalism whatever you want to call it on the other hand.
>starving to death 10m plus ukranians by seizing their grain and selling it on the international market for your own finacial gain.
>the pol pot of who rounded up his nations intlectuals and had them shot, whilst forcing the rest to farm with a gun To their back for a bowl of rice a day.
>falling your people so bad in Chile, that they kick you out in a coup and replace you with an ultra capitalist an-cap just to get as far away from socalism.
>venezuela right now
Need i say any more.

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OP, you aren't supposed to post on here if you're under 18, don't you know that?

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>>38835352
>You can quit THAT job, but you have to have A job
Not necessarily a wage job, though. I can become self-employed, work in a commune, or work in a coop. Capitalism offers me those choices if I am dissatisfied with my current ones.

>That deal is NEVER going to come out in your favour.
If the deal wasn't coming out in my favor I wouldn't have made it in the first place. Of course you are assuming that the deal both participants at the same time, but that is what trade is all about. I trade my 8 hours of labor in exchange for a material wealth, because I value those 8 hours less than I value the wealth. The owner of the capital is willing to part with that material wealth in exchange for my 8 hours of my labor, as he values my labor more than he values the wealth.

Of course, if I find this disagreeable, I can always acquire my own capital with which to hire others with. However, that involves risk, since success is far from guaranteed. If I am not willing to take that risk, why should I reap the rewards?

>>38835159
Trades unions are nothing but a militant arm of the communist movement, Hitler devloped that mindset in his early days when working in construction in vienna, and saw how workers were exploited by unions to push their own politcal adgedas and bring the country to a hault.
He set up many alternative organisations in replacement that would act in their place, and also introdued many programs to keep the workers motivated and happy.

Your Implyimg that non ethnic Germans count as citizens they dont and had every right every right to have there citizenship revoked.
Although they could apply to live in Germany as a guest but would be subject to missing out on privlages such as education and healthcare which is fair enough i wouldnt want non germanic squatters getting equal treatment you should put your own people first before others.

Im not denying the fact that deplorables who broke the law such as communists, degenerates, freemasons, jews gypsies were locked up, and in many cases the worst kind were executed.
Through do i think there was a sytmemactic genocide before the end of the war, no way why would resources be wasted in doing that when they can be put to work, not to mention the typhus epidemic i wont go on any further cause you can visit /pol/ if you want to find out the truth.

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>>38835159
The wermacht were the most disciplined and strict soilders in modern warfare, however to deny that inocents werent raped and murdered by rogue soilders is a lie as there are cases however most would have been court martialed.
To further add in retalation civilians were targeted in bombing by the luftwaffe.
But Germany were saints compared to the allies who commited far worse attrocites on the german people towards the end of the war and after the war in the cases of
>mass rape and murder by the second coming soviet force fillied of mongoloids who carried out attrocites by the millions in ways unimaginable
>the german POWs after the war who were starved to death on the orders from Eisenhower

If you want to learn more i highly recomend watchimg hellstorm and reading Other Losses by James Baque.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwjC2cXUx7zVAhWGEVAKHZ2eAR4Qxa8BCCMwAA&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA

>>38832980
Explain something:
if the workers are oppressed by the employers why don't they just leave and start their own company, with their own money, resources, machinery, intellectual property, etc??
Why do they continue to be "oppressed?

>>38836367
Because something something "they're too oppressed"

Obviously.

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>>38836367
I'm not a commie, but I think that commies don't really value "risk" in the same way that capitalists do. They see the capitalists owning the means of production and the worker selling his labor, but what they don't see is why the capitalist should have the means of production. While "risk" is not fair necessarily, because an otherwise hard working laborer can end up in debt having lost everything, it is necessary.

When capitalists refer to risks, we are not saying that when you start a business you roll the dice and its complete chance whether your business succeeds or not, rather we are referring to the fact that in entering the capitalist world you are competing against other capitalists for the same workers and customers, and thus there is a chance if you do not run your business more efficiently than your competitors that you will be put out of business. This is the way capitalism ensures efficiency within its system, it is survival of the fittest on the capitalist side of things, while the workers get a guarantee of relative safety in comparison to what the capitalists risk.

Therefore, I believe that the communists either are ignorant of the role that risk and reward aspect involved in capitalism, or they believe that communism would have no such risks involved, in which case the communist society would likely be (and, as history has shown, usually is) riddled with inefficiencies from businesses that should have died long ago.

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>>38835159
Germany never wanted a war in the firsr place they invaded poland in response to ethnic germans being killed, they were willing to sit down and negotiate peace but all requests were denied.
The allies demanded that Hiter capitualte a democractly elected leader who the people loved, it was etheir conqour or be conqoured
As far as winning was concerned it was going rather well until some fatal errors were made that cost him the war they were in it to win it at first but things happen as they do.
>losing the battle of britian putting back ideas for operation sealion.
>making napoleons mistake and invading russia in the middle of winter with out winter gear.
>focusimg to much on stalingrad instead of the oil fieds that could have supplied his africa corps in africa changing the out come of Africa and opening up the supply lines for oil
> focusing on buidling panzer IVs, king tigers and stug 4gs instead of wasting resources on other outlandish concept ideas.

But war aside you can not stand by and say that the USSR before the war was superior to national socalist germany before the war.
The USSR was the equavilent of a skyrim bandit in iron armour going up against a level 50 dragon born with full dragon plate armour.
In regards to practically everything
>socitey
>wealth
>technolgy
>advancement
>miltary march music
>clothing
>cars
>art
>culture
>architecture
>science
>health and fitness
>education
>healthcare

Ill give you clasical music as some great composers came out of the soviet union.

>>38836540
Dude the soviets only "kicked ass" because of human waves and not having all their infrastructure bombed to hell and back. Plus, weren't they the first ones with slanted armor tanks?

Similar reasons why America did well. We didn't get bombed AT ALL except for Pearl Harbor really, and the elevens didn't do anything with that.

>>38832980
Kill yourself nigger. Day of the rope comes

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>>38832980
Stop posting that illiterate retard Xexizy.
>>38833193
There is no state under socialism, and capital being owned by the "workers' state" would be no different from nationalization. Socialism is the abolition of generalized commodity production and capital as a social relation.
>>38833523
Communism is not "leftist". Is capitalism the "far left" of feudalism? No, it's simply a separate mode of production - the same with communism and capitalism. Communism goes beyond the spectrum of left-right politics.
https://edensauvage.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/against-left-and-right/

>>38832980
left anarchism > CUMmunism

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>>38836864
>Communism is not "leftist"
Depends on how you define leftism vs. rightism. Generally speaking they are divided by their believes in equality vs. hierarchy.

>>38836864
>tfw leftcoms are more anti-communist than most liberals
fucking lel

>>38836367
That argument is like saying why don't you become the President? If you're over 35 there's literally nothing stopping you? durrrr

>>38835371
The Conservatives have a slogan which I think is despicable and defeatist: "It's better to be dead than red." And the Commies and Liberals have a slogan which is even worse, it's treason, they say: "It's better to be red than dead." We say this: "You don't have to be Red and you don't have to be Dead. Not dead. Not Red. Dead Reds"

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>>38836913
Leftists want a more equal or egalitarian management of capital, communists want to abolish capital entirely as a social relation.
Communism isn't rooted in philosophical or moral arguments for equality, but on the natural tendencies of capitalism. Communists are not radical egalitarians - I expect communism would result in greater differentiation between individuals of the former working class, not less.
>>38837074
"Our task is that of ruthless criticism, and much more against ostensible friends than against open enemies" - Karl Marx

>>38832980
Skinned slavic nigger

>>38832980
all commieniggers must hang

IT WORKS IN THEORY GUYS TRUST ME!

>>38832980
heil hitler originally

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>>38838080
One of my favorite things to hear commies say is "everyone will be able to do the job they love!". The only thing I can think of when they say that is "who's gonna clean the toilets?".

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>>38832980
Communism is the true robot position

>>38837086
No, to be the president you need to be elected, to become a business owner all you have to do is start a business, there is nothing but your own limitations stopping you.

Business owner have to put up their own capital, get their own investors, get the licenses they need. They had to work to be able to start a business.
What you are saying is that they are not entitled to the fruits of that work. I hope you can see the hypocrisy.

>>38833359
lumpen proletariat- The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "[lumpenproletariat] identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include "beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements

>>38838801
And to add.
You could make the argument that the person inherited the business or the money to start the business.
The counter to that would be that he is enjoying the fruits of the work his lineage have done up to that point.
If you have a shitty lineage, if you or your parents were raised by a single mother and as a result you had little opportunities in life, it's not the fault of the guy who turned out to be successful.
He had nothing to do with the choices your ancestors made.

>>38839021
By the way, the mention of single motherhood is just an exemple. There are other kinds of fuck ups, like marrying a criminal or a drug addict etc.
The point is the people who make better decisions are likely to develop advantage.

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>>38836655
Nope the idea of sloped hulls was first devolped on tanks by the french during WW1 i think on the renault f-1.
By the time off the second world war it was used on many German tanks such as the jagdpanther and king tiger
The soviets really only cottoned on when they brought out the T-34 and many variants off it aswell as the IS-3

Ive always wondered when my knowledge from playing world of tanks and watching girlz und panzer would come in useful and now i know those countless hours were not all in vain.

>>38832980
>lefty
>doesn't even mention his OG archenemy: monarchists
Yeah, fuck you, too. ;_;