Africans Have Never Built a Major Enduring City in 3,000 Years

>>38485061
Well neither have the northern barbarians, so there's that.

>>38485097

b-but all whites are smart! even the ones on welfare

Well I'm half white so that means I'm the best.
And I've seen this before.
Did you get triggered by BBC porn faggot?

>>38485061
>Africans Have Never Built a Major Enduring City in 3,000 Years

Are you saying they ever built one until 3001 years ago?

>>38485196
we stupid :((
OP is trolling us and now we're supposed to get mad

>>38485108
I've not been particularly impressed with what is apparently supposed to pass for the "intelligence" of any human thus far.

>Africans Have Never Built a Major Enduring City in 3,000 Years
But that's not even remotely true.

>>38485061
Wtf are you talking about theres more then you can even count
>london
>paris
>nyc
>rome
>athens
>stockholm
>st petersburg
>johannesburg

>>38485097
Literally the major cities africa were made by europeans with a small bit made by arabs, what are you talking about?

>>38485061
Why should I care? The only thing that matters are my own achievements and these are fairly above average. Pretty pathetic to give a shit about the achievements of other people in general.

kick your ass

>>38485307
>Cities = civilization
No.

>>38485363
thats literally exactly what that means. No cities means no organized society. No cities means tribalism the exact opposite of civilitation. These tribal societies are cultures sure, no ones saying there weren't people living there, just that in these cultures entire existence they left nothing of value, and its ridiculous to think these cultures or people are equal to the Chinese or French for example who created so much.

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>Major
Margin for subjective manipulation of standards

>Enduring
Margin for subjective manipulation of standards

>City in 3,000 Years
Arbitrary limitation to prevent acknowledgement of African civilization, of which there have been numerous, sub-saharan and all. Among them lie precedence for metallurgy and written language that preceded similar advancements in many areas of Europe.

Also most cities and civilizations don't "last". That's how it goes. Everything about this is stupid.

>>38485363
Check the title of the thread you're in, retard

>>38485481
But you don't actually know why they created so much as opposed to another culture. Rather, you haven't really looked into it, you're not interested in understanding matters of the world you're only interested in arranging shallow information to suit views you've inherited from those you've elected to think for you.

You think civilization is genetic? Can you please say it for the record that you do indeed think this so I can proceed without you trying to equivocate your way out of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_empires

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>>38485891
http://study.com/academy/lesson/ancient-sub-saharan-african-civilization-culture.html

>>38485805
Lol what you're saying is absurd. First of all theres a difference between civilization and just groups of people, and cities are directly related to it. 2nd of all sure not all cities last but the fact that all of these other cultures have cities that have been around for thousands of years, even fucking mexico, and you can't point to a single example, these people can't point to a single fucking example, shows at the very least a contrast between sub saharans and everyone else.

Also what you point as "achievments" are just dumb and irrelevant. The Chinese created fucking gunpowder, indians gave us mathematics, various European thinkers gave us the scientific theory, but the best you can give me as sub saharan achievments are that a few tribes had written laguages and had some mettalurgy? Shit that was already accomplshed back in fucking 4000 bc.

>>38485061
Op what about Egypt?
It's one of the oldest city states in the world

>>38485061
Man she is cute with a pixie cut. Too bad she is an obnoxious feminist/champagne socialist.

Timbuktu?

Original

>>38485875
I'm open to learning why they never created civilization but its somewhat irrelevant and that doesn't even have much to do with the conversation we're having. The fact that a people have never created anything of value in their existence is significant though especially for a society like ours today.

> you're only interested in arranging shallow information to suit views you've inherited from those you've elected to think for you
lol this is the bullshit you say when you ca't argue against facts.

>You think civilization is genetic?
I'm not positive what you mean by this, but intelligence is genetic and intelligence leads to civilization, so in a way i guess civilization is genetic as in some people are more predisposed to forming it if thats what you mean.

>>38485891
And did a single one have a significant impact on human history?

>>38486128
Ancient Egyptians weren't black

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>>38486128
>we wuz

not original

>KANGS

>>38486193
Built in the 1200s by Muslims conquering from North Africa.

>>38486128
You really aren't funny claiming my people were black. You're a jackass.

>>38486086
>First of all theres a difference between civilization and just groups of people, and cities are directly related to it.
why are you telling me this

>2nd of all sure not all cities last but the fact that all of these other cultures have cities that have been around for thousands of years, even fucking mexico nd you can't point to a single example, these people can't point to a single fucking example,
Mexico city was founded in the 1500's, overtaking Tenochtitlan, which was a 200 year old city founded by the local savages in a burst of resourcefulness.

>shows at the very least a contrast between sub saharans and everyone else.
Ok
So what's the point?
Why do you people insist on dealing in these weak "need I say more" insinuations instead of any actual concrete argument?

You've found a "contrast", now tell me what it means.

Here's the fact of the matter:
Most cities, and most civilizations, fall.

The conditions for a city or civilization to survive are numerous and diverse, a different set for each case, and it's not really that these cities "survived", rather people continued to live there instead of moving elsewhere, as moving elsewhere is most often the cause of death for a given city or civiliation. In a well trafficked, prosperous area like France, people get to stick around and maintain the old monuments that you use to define the success of an old civilization. You can tell yourself that Africans didn't build monuments, but that wouldn't be true. They were lost to the elements.

What I'm confused about is why it's irrelevant that farming, scultping, metal-working, monument-building African civilizations existed, and that it only means anything that their cities must still be populated today. Why?

Or is the point more that Africa is less prosperous this milennium?
Why do you think THAT is? Genetics?

Please make a real argument, you're giving me very little to work with

>>38486391
>And did a single one have a significant impact on human history?

Like what? The Enlightenment? I'm not sure what you're looking for as far as "significant impacts" but you're almost certainly thinking of fairly recent advancements, dependent on resources consequent of a more generally advanced time in history.

African civilizations sprouted up and died several times over. They had plenty of local impact on human, but not on european history, as the europeans were kind of far away what with being on a different continent at all. It matters not what they came up with for art and science, we didn't have white folks there to take note of it and we lost it. We don't know much of these old civilizations for this reason - they didn't have other civilizations to preserve these things.

>lol this is the bullshit you say when you ca't argue against facts.
what facts am I missing

>intelligence leads to civilization
No, civilization is not a matter of people being smart enough to do it. That's retarded. It's a matter of opportunity and aligning conditions. Agriculture, specialization, etc. Human intelligence varies so marginally across demographics AND ACROSS HISTORY that it's downright irrational to attribute successes on a macro level to it.

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>For most of history, contact between Sub-Saharan Africa and Eurasia was sharply limited by the Sahara Desert. One major consequence of this isolation was lack of access to the innovations of Southwest Asia, where many of humanity's fundamental technologies (including agriculture, writing, smelting, and the wheel) were first achieved. While these technologies diffused over vast distances both westward (across North Africa and Europe) and eastward (across Asia), their southward journey was frustrated by the mighty Sahara.

>Consequently, these fundamental technologies were greatly delayed from permeating the Sub-Saharan region (or had to be developed locally instead). This dramatically impacted the course of Sub-Saharan history, especially in the case of agriculture (see The Stone, Bronze, and Iron Ages). Since agriculture was the key prerequisite to urbanization, most of Sub-Saharan Africa did not experience the rise of cities until the medieval or modern periods.

TLDR they were smoking weed and listening to rap instead of civilizing, such is the consequence of low IQ amirite

>>38485061
fuck off /pol/

why r u so obsessed with race????

>>38485061
>>How does this make niggers feel?
>AYY YO DAT BE RACIST CRACKA WE WUZ KANGS N SHEIT

There ya go.

>>38487005
>niggers isn't a racist slur
There ya go

>>38487124
>anyone on here cares

fuck off nigger

>>38487256
They're not calling you racist because of "facts", sweetie.

>>38485061
>2017
>people still talking about how africans didn't appreciate diamonds

the value of diamonds is a marketing scam, they're really not even rare, their circulation is just carefully controlled.

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>>38486549
>why are you telling me this
You said it was "Arbitrary limitation to prevent acknowledgement of African civilization" when its directly related.

>Mexico city was founded in the 1500's, overtaking Tenochtitlan, which was a 200 year old city founded by the local savages in a burst of resourcefulness.
Still doesn't impact main point. Also most mexicans are somewhat related to the mesoamericans so its still kind of Tenochtitlan, also these "savages" were still miles ahead of anything the nigger tribes ever accomplished.
>pic related

The meaning of the contrast is pretty obvious. That niggers are less intelligent and have problems building and maintaining civilization. I should also add that in a society like ours where intelligence is becoming increasingly important this becomes even more problematic.

The big issue is people like you not accepting that the contrast even exists.

Lol the fact of the matter is you're just making excuses.

The elements ate african civilization? Really? Thats why they left so little behind? We've had civilizations in denser jungles m8. Just look up the Siamese temples.

The fact of the matter is that whatever little civilization existed was and is completely irrelevant, and never gave the world any great wonders or ideas or inventions, and was too weak to leave any mark that it existed.

Civilizations rise and fall but thats not an excuse for the utter lack of any existing in Africa.

The point is that Africa never was prosperous and the reason is at least partially genetics.

>>38486836
>Like what? The Enlightenment? I'm not sure what you're looking for as far as "significant impacts" but you're almost certainly thinking of fairly recent advancements, dependent on resources consequent of a more generally advanced time in history.
Could be anything of value. I'm talking about mathematics created in india or philosophy from china, both from thousands of years ago.

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>>38488188
2/2
There were no white people in china or india either but we know all about those civilizations. I it not telling to you at all that these "civilizations" that were hundreds not thousands of year old leave little to no evidence of their existence? For all of African history theres never been a single civilization that actually mattered in the broader picture of human progress.

>what facts am I missing
I'm not saying you're missing any facts. I'm just saying thats what people say when they want to delegitimize the person they're arguing despite knowing literally nothing about them or it having nothing to do with the facts of the argument.

>No, civilization is not a matter of people being smart enough to do it. That's retarded. It's a matter of opportunity and aligning conditions. Agriculture, specialization, etc. Human intelligence varies so marginally across demographics AND ACROSS HISTORY that it's downright irrational to attribute successes on a macro level to it.
The formation of civilizations does have a lot to do with geographic features and chance, but the entirety of civilization has everything to do with intelligence. From city planning, to feeding the population, to relaying communication, organization is sewn into the very idea of civilization, as well as problem solving when problems inevitably arise through this organization. The ability to organize and problem solve are both directly related to if not part of what intelligence is. At the macro level just a few points difference in iq diference in populations over hundreds or thousands of years will have massive consequences. China is the world's oldest civilization. it around 5000 years old. This is at least partially because its people are very good at organization and problem solving, despite isolating itself for hundreds of years at a time. Compare that with Africa where you can't give me a single influential long lasting civilization, much less a single city they built.

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>>38485061
>ayo mayn we wuz kangs n' shieeeet

>3000 years
why do white people align themselves with jews, asians, and native americans when they feel like it suits them?

>>38488475
Its not really alligning themselves, just pointing out niggers are dumb and useless.

>>38488188
>Still doesn't impact main point. Also most mexicans are somewhat related to the mesoamericans so its still kind of Tenochtitlan
So are we allowed to connect Ethiopians to civilizations that existed in Ethiopia?

>also these "savages" were still miles ahead of anything the nigger tribes ever accomplished.
No, the Aztecs didn't accomplish metallurgy. They were also thousands of years ahead, in the future, you fucking moron. Don't try to educate me on the merits of mesoamericans, I'm mexican, I know all about it. The intricacies of Tenochitlan show nothing if not brilliance, but that's because we have the means of exploring this culture, and even with its recency we've still lost an immense amount of information about these people because the superintelligent spaniards disposed of a bunch of important shit for being scary and not christian.

>pic related
Yes, they built pyramids. If only anyone in africa had thought to do the same...

>That niggers are less intelligent and have problems building and maintaining civilization.
So you do think the construction and maintenance of civilization is a matter of intelligence? The academic world disagrees with you, because that's stupid. Civilization is the collective effort of thousands of people with varying abilities who find themselves in a position to build and specialize. It's not like it was a wandering Chess Club that settled in the fucking Valley of Mexico, it was literally a tribe of savages that everyone at the time regarded as crude, brutish, and stupid. Then they prospered, and then they became amazing. Although they didn't come up with the idea of pyramids. There were already pyramids. The pyramids of Teotihuacan weren't even built by the Aztecs, they were the ruins of a previous civilization.

(cont)

>>38488721
pt 2

>Still doesn't impact main point. Also most mexicans are somewhat related to the mesoamericans so its still kind of Tenochtitlan
So are we allowed to connect Ethiopians to civilizations that existed in Ethiopia?

>also these "savages" were still miles ahead of anything the nigger tribes ever accomplished.
No, the Aztecs didn't accomplish metallurgy. They were also thousands of years ahead, in the future, you fucking moron. Don't try to educate me on the merits of mesoamericans, I'm mexican, I know all about it. The intricacies of Tenochitlan show nothing if not brilliance, but that's because we have the means of exploring this culture, and even with its recency we've still lost an immense amount of information about these people because the superintelligent spaniards disposed of a bunch of important shit for being scary and not christian.

>pic related
Yes, they built pyramids. If only anyone in africa had thought to do the same...

>That niggers are less intelligent and have problems building and maintaining civilization.
So you do think the construction and maintenance of civilization is a matter of intelligence? The academic world disagrees with you, because that's stupid. Civilization is the collective effort of thousands of people with varying abilities who find themselves in a position to build and specialize. It's not like it was a wandering Chess Club that settled in the fucking Valley of Mexico, it was literally a tribe of savages that everyone at the time regarded as crude, brutish, and stupid. Then they prospered, and then they became amazing. Although they didn't come up with the idea of pyramids. There were already pyramids. The pyramids of Teotihuacan weren't even built by the Aztecs, they were the ruins of a previous civilization.

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>>38485061
>cities are degenerate cesspools full of wastes of life, places where the dregs of society come to wallow in xenoestrogens and muffler exhaust
>but building them is the mark of true civilization

>>38488747
pt 3
>I should also add that in a society like ours where intelligence is becoming increasingly important this becomes even more problematic.
Intelligence comes about with education and nutrition. We all have close to the same capacity for neural connections and dumb bloodlines can produce geniuses after but a few generations of prosperity. That said, there are plenty of niggers cleverer than yourself, so I don't know what you're so up in arms about. Human intelligence has changed remarkably little over the course of history because we in all likelihood have a nearby plateau.

>The formation of civilizations does have a lot to do with geographic features and chance,
That's pretty much it, everything else you said is your own personal conjecture.

>China is the world's oldest civilization. it around 5000 years old
No, no, no. China is a fucking region that people consistently inhabited. Civilization "dies" when people move away or stop doing civilized things. The Chinese lacked reason to leave, and so continued to farm, and to organize and specialize and build and invent. The resources and trade were rich, but over those 5000 years there have been so many changes of societal structure that it's fucking absurd for you to call this a singular entity that just "survived" on account of the sheer intelligence of the individuals that have lived there.

Civilization begets intelligence, intelligence does not beget civilization. Intelligence is obviously necessary but it's also ever-present, it just gets better as civilization progresses.

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>>38485241
Tell me more, o enlightened one

>>38488721
self-correction
>No, the Aztecs didn't accomplish metallurgy.

This is false, the Aztecs worked metals but never made iron, and the vast majority of it was for cosmetic purposes rather than utility

>>38485061
Reminder that if Africans were allowed to immigrate to the U.S. normally instead of being enslaved by the Jewry they would have integrated into society properly instead of forming ghetto culture

>>38489208
t. schlomo

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>>38489208
Its not like the niggers that voluntarily immigrated to Europe didnt integrate either and have formed a ghetto culture too... Oh wait

>>38488747
I dont know if you noticed or not but this is a copy pasta of the first post

>>38488188

keep saying stuff about an area of the world you care about

>>38489646
FUCK
>>38488747
part 2
>I should also add that in a society like ours where intelligence is becoming increasingly important this becomes even more problematic.

Intelligence comes about with education and nutrition. We all have close to the same capacity for neural connections and dumb bloodlines can produce geniuses after but a few generations of prosperity. That said, there are plenty of niggers cleverer than yourself, so I don't know what you're so up in arms about.

>There were no white people in china or india either but we know all about those civilizations.
Name them, and I'll tell you why we know what we do.

Also Europe and Asia interacted, Sub-Saharan Africa didn't receive this benefit on account of being Sub-Saharan.

>>38490233
Dumb bloodlines CAN produce geniuses simply because outliers exist. This does not change the fact that race and IQ are closely connected. The fact that education and nutrition effect IQ does not preclude race from effecting it as well.

>>38489470
It's Shlomo's fault tho. Jewry bringing over slaves gave them useful goyim labor. Then once they were freed, they made up a caste lower than the lowest class. This position caused a ghetto culture based around criminal activity to form. Obviously, the kikes then turned the blame onto the horrible condition to white people, even though the biggest slave trade family (The DeWolfes) was Jewish. This created a perfect, ongoing race war, producing some hot goy-on-goy violence. Africans in Europe don't behave like Africans in the U.S, which is a perfect example.

>>38490419
>Dumb bloodlines CAN produce geniuses simply because outliers exist
No, I mean people get smarter faster than positive selection can account for. It's called the Flynn Effect.

> The fact that education and nutrition effect IQ does not preclude race from effecting it as well.
Affect*

It correlates with demographics and is partially heritable. To say that racial trends of intelligence are so consistent and pronounced that you can make this argument isn't valid. If it were, blacks are among the last that it should be valid for, because they're a genetically heterogeneous population riddled with white genetics anyways. On no level and on no scientific basis did this argument ever work.

Furthermore, if intelligence really trends by race it raises a certain kind of question.

Why are the Greeks a bunch of useless, greasy, chain smoking losers now?

Why are the savage Nords who could barely work iron now leaders of science and egalitarian social policy?

Trying to assert these kinds of racial trends seldom gets you far as far as logic and truth are concerned

>>38490632
I'm familiar with the Flynn effect and you're misunderstanding the phenomenon. Basically it's like giving a plant fertilizer in order to boost growth. Once you use a certain amount of fertilizer you're going to start seeing a diminishing of marginal returns. At some point no matter what scooping more fertilizer won't help the plant grow more and the only thing left to differentiate different plant seeds will be up to their genetics.

>To say that racial trends of intelligence are so consistent and pronounced that you can make this argument isn't valid
It is actually, your assertion to the contrary doesn't disprove a thing.
As for the rest of your post, it betrays an incredible poor understanding of the history of human populations so you should probably read up a bit more before acting like you know something about it.

>>38486450
>>38486428
>Egypt is in Africa
>Therefore Egyptian Civilization is an African civilization.

>>38485061
I don't care because I don't base my entire sense of pride/self worth in what people who aren't me have done

>>38490723
Genetics is not the source of the Flynn Effect, that's the whole point. And it's genetics that have diminishing returns.

>It is actually, your assertion to the contrary doesn't disprove a thing.
That's because you're deliberately ignoring the relevant part, you dumb nigger

>they're a genetically heterogeneous population riddled with white genetics anyways

how are you gonna go to the extreme of attributing demographical intelligence differences to racial genetics with a race that has inconsistent genetics

how you gonna argue that a race riddled with white genetics is the most inferior to the white race

this is stupid

>>38491314
>>38491314
wite genes*
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sorry am high

>>38485172
>my genes are tainted
How does that make you the best?

kangz disclaimer: The only real sub Saharan African kingdoms were in Mali and in Ethiopia (Benin is itty bitty) the latter due to waterways from the east to west being relatively close to them which (even if you are not the cleverest bunch) means that it's much more easy to establish a country. Mali too with gold trade with North Africa. Needless to say there are some pretty ancient cities in Mali and Ethiopia (and Somalia too due to the same trade routes being there as well)

save for that africa is shit

>>38485061
bump

gfihugahuiaf

>>38485061
Jesus her face gets more grimaced and androgynous by the day

>>38485061
I think a better point is, think of a black first world country.

Got it? No? Of course.

>>38485061
Wrong board stromnigger
/r9k/ is for autistic anger

>>38492751
And this isn't?

>>38491703
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Dagbon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwamu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonoman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mankessim_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Mapungubwe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire

>>38485061
>Kids were playing with diamonds and they had no idea their value
That's because diamonds are literally worthless rocks. You'll never guess (((who))) decided they were pretty, secured 100% of the market and marketed them at an infinite markup claiming exchanging diamonds were an ancient cultural ritual. This guy is a retard.

>>38492724
Bahamas
Trinidad and Tobago
Seychelles

>>38488875
>civilization doesn't require intelligence
>in order for civilization to form, it needs people willing to organize, specialize, build and invent, which requires a hefty bit of intelligence
pick one spic, you're making us look bad!

>>38492712
androgynony is hot tho

>>38485061
bump

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Wait....Niggers actually browse r9k? Fuck.