Psychological Issues #97

>>38407284
Hey, Nick. Got any advice for a a person who has such a low self-esteem that he struggles to look people in the eye because he thinks he'll gross them out and so looks away before they do so he doesn't get his feelings hurt? Also, is there even a chance of me ever getting past his or even and medication?

Please, I need help.

>>38407400
>is there even a chance of me ever getting past his or even and medication?

Does it even look more like? I'm not following you here... Please rephrase!

For the rest, let's take it in steps. Answer these individually:

1. What makes you think you could gross someone out? Be detailed.

2. Why does it hurt you if someone finds you gross? (As often, I ask not because I have no idea, but because I want to see how you think of it.)

>>38407473
>Does it even look more like? I'm not following you here... Please rephrase!
What I meant to say is there a chance I will ever get over this type of thinking and if there is any medication to help.
Sorry I'm stupid

>1. What makes you think you could gross someone out? Be detailed.
I'm not very attractive, and I have moments before when people have tried to not look me in the eye. Also, I just secrete a vibe that tells people I have no friends. In my last job, I didn't even tell my boss, but he knew that I had no friends. I say the look of pity on his face that he had on me and I I see it as just another testimony as to how intrinsically beta I am.

>2. Why does it hurt you if someone finds you gross? (As often, I ask not because I have no idea, but because I want to see how you think of it.)
It means I'm not like everyone else. I have failed to pass the basic level of attractiveness to be considered of worth to people. It also hurts. Knowing that you might never find that somebody just because of your face.

Life is pain.

>>38407552
>is there a chance I will ever get over this type of thinking

Yes.

>>38407552
>if there is any medication to help.

Yes and no. Medication will only help attenuate symptoms, but it's like getting drunk against shyness. It's not a solution. What you need isn't medication.

>I'm not very attractive, and I have moments before when people have tried to not look me in the eye.

I'll need to know in detail what isn't attractive about you. This idea may be yours more than anyone else's. As to not looking people in the eye, this is something you do as well: do you do it because people are ugly? I guess not, so why do you assume others don't have the same reasons you have to avoid eye contact? Nobody continuously stares; it's very normal and frequent to look away now and then. Eye contact is intense, and continuous staring only happens when people love or hate each other.

>Also, I just secrete a vibe that tells people I have no friends.

Looking away like you seem to do will tell them a lot, yes, but not necessarily that you have no friends, more like you're uncomfortable, which they may take personally (as you would if you were them). This will make people avoid you, yes, but not because they dislike you. Focus on that. It's like telling them, "I don't like you," so they don't want to bother you and leave you alone. It's tragic, because it's not what you mean, I know.

>In my last job, I didn't even tell my boss, but he knew that I had no friends. I say the look of pity on his face that he had on me and I I see it as just another testimony as to how intrinsically beta I am.

Are you sure he knows? Or are you just guessing? As to the look of pity on his face, are you sure that wasn't compassion? Being cared about by someone doesn't make you beta, Pete.

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>>38407552
>It means I'm not like everyone else.

I guarantee you there are countless gross people out there. If that was the difference between you and others, it wouldn't work.

> I have failed to pass the basic level of attractiveness to be considered of worth to people.

You still haven't told me how you're unattractive. I need to hear concrete reasons why you're gross. Also, the assumption that you need to be handsome to be worthy of people's attention is wrong. People of your own sex probably don't give a damn how you look, and even women don't necessarily care about looks either, especially if they're not interested in a relationship with you. TL;DR: friends aren't into your looks.

>Knowing that you might never find that somebody just because of your face.

Unlearn this because it's bullshit. It's a core belief that gives you an excuse and a reason to give up, but it's 99% certain that your face isn't the reason for any of this.

Do you have any advice for somebody who gets increasingly jealous of nice people and has such low self esteem due to being smart, but feeling dumb. My head always hurts, I'm confused, I forget lots of things, and I can barely do math because of a learning disability similar to dyslexia
(I've had 4 concussions by the way, only 1 being serious)

>>38407767

Yes, I have advice for you. But you need a name. It's the first rule in these threads and it is important. I need to think of your name as I think about you, so the information sticks to my memory. Please take a name and I'll respond to your post.

>>38407779
Whoops, meant to put a name, sorry

>>38407284

i have chronic persistent anxiety. i have an anxiety attack 5 or 6 times a week. usually not triggered by anything specific with no particular focus of the anxiety. the attacks last for hours, i can get anxious at 12 at night and still be anxious and unable to sleep when the sun comes up. i often have an attack when doing mundane things like brushing my teeth, having a shower or just laying in bed trying to sleep. a doctor prescribed me xanax but ive been on it for almost 2 years and my dose has become too high and the doctor want to start tapering me off of it. the medication is the only thing that stops the anxiety. i dont know what i'll do without it. ive tried everything including exercise, diet, mindfulness meditation, progressive muscle relaxation etc. im currently doing cbt. how can i snap out of an anxiety attack or stop it from coming on when i start to feel it coming?

>>38407767
>>38407801

All right, Quinn.

>being smart but feeling dumb

If you think you're smart but at the same time think you're dumb, it could be many things. For now, I'll go with the idea that you know you're smart because you've done things that require being smart, and feeling dumb due to other shortcomings, probably social ones and such.

Do you have dyscalculis? If that's the name for it...

Your head always hurts, can you describe that in more details?

>confusion

Can you also descrive this in details?

And what happened with your many concussions?

What is your advice for someone who has basically entered a long term relationship that can't really be backed out of, that is lacking most feelings associated with love?
She loves me more than anything but I don't feel the same. I proposed to her because I thought over time I'd get those feelings, but here we are years later and they haven't come.

I can't really leave because we've invested a lot in each other, financially and otherwise.
I'm also afraid of being alone. Been single for a total of probably 4 months since I was 15 (27 now).
Lost the only other person a really ever loved that I would have done anything for and never came close to having those emotions and feelings with anyone else I've ever met.

>>38407718
>Yes.
How?

>I'll need to know in detail what isn't attractive about you.
I have kind of a weak jaw, and I have only noticed this recently, but one of my eyes is slightly more droopy than the other. Only slightly though.

The thing is I have attracted women in the past, but I don't know. I have just fallen into this pit, and only now I have realised, after you asked me that question, that my problem is deeper than just looks. I chase people always based on my personality. I've had people come up to me and talk to me. But in the end, my autism shows, I sperge out and then I'm left lonely again. I haven't had a friend in a couple of years now. About less than two years. And it has really had a negative effect on me and how I view myself. When I look into the mirror, I don't think I'm a bad looking guy, but whenever I walk in the street, and I see somebody, and they look at me and then they quickly look always, that affects me.

Honestly, I don't even know if I'm good looking or not. I've attracted qt girls, and on the other hand, I've also had girls make eye contact with me then look away immediately. But for some reason, god has made it so that any negative events that happen in our lives have a much more of an effect than a positive one. But then again I have had the latter happen to me more than the first.

>Are you sure he knows? Or are you just guessing?
Once just randomly he looked at me with those same eyes and asked because I had just started working there if I had friends now. He knew, and it kinda blew me away.

>>38407857
Name is Steve, fucking 4chan app is lacking.

>>38407820

Call yourself Anxiety Man or something, because "self" or "Anon" or other nondescript names don't stick to memory.

As to the attacks, I can advise you to try what I did myself. It was mainly for panic attacks though, which don't last for hours, but it may work as well.

One thing to focus on is diversion. Stimulate your body to focus your mind on physical senses instead of mind things, so to speak. Concretely, what I would do was focus on cold. I'd get undressed down to my underwear, and open windows in winter, go to the bathroom, splash water on myself, kneel down in front of the tub, press my forehead against the cold rim of it, and almost "pray" there. Focus on pressing your forehead against the cold tub, feel the cold, feel the pressure. Splash more cold water on you, something to take your entire attention.

And as you do all this, you seek peace. Play it by ear. Focus on the fact that anxiety cannot harm you. If you fear anxiety attacks, it doubles the problem. You fear fear, literally. Let it happen to you, like a wave, let it come and go. It won't harm you. Don't hold on to it, don't try to fight it (beyond doing the things I suggested, but don't think of them as weapons against something).

I hope this will help. If you do try this, tell me how it went. I need to know if this sort of thing works.

>>38407857
>What is your advice for someone who has basically entered a long term relationship that can't really be backed out of, that is lacking most feelings associated with love?

Oh Lordie... This pulls on the heart strings. The first thing I feel like saying is that there are no such relationships. You can always back out of them, and perhaps you should. Sooner than later. You're bound for disaster if you already lack what it needs to survive. It will only be worse (I haven't read your whole post yet, I'm responding in bits).

>She loves me more than anything but I don't feel the same. I proposed to her because I thought over time I'd get those feelings, but here we are years later and they haven't come.

And it may never happen. 99% guaranteed. You like her, you care for her, but you're not in love with her.

What may happen, though is that one day you find someone you actually fall for, and that day you'll be in big trouble.

>I can't really leave because we've invested a lot in each other, financially and otherwise.

If you go on, you'll both lose even more. Either you find someone else whom you actually love, or you'll spend your life wasting it. You don't want to wake up in 15 years, realising you haven't lived. A relationship isn't just your best friend plus physical love. You should feel much more certain that she's the one.

>Lost the only other person a really ever loved that I would have done anything for and never came close to having those emotions and feelings with anyone else I've ever met.

I feel you. Don't be scared of being alone, because in the end, being with someone you don't love is a lot worse than being alone, because there's nothing to hope for at that point. Besides, as you know, staying with someone because you're scared to be alone is in itself a sign that your relationship isn't working.

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>>38407284
Sometimes I feel very envious of women and the way they are treated by society both sexually and non-sexually. Examples being more clothing options, the empathy gap, me, as a man, having to be the one who takes charge and responsibility, their feelings being valued higher than mine, the fact that it's them who choose and that "game" is not exactly equal. I really get quite depressed sometimes about the fact that it's the women are on the receiving end and I am the one, who, to the end of my life, has to take the inititative, or will die alone. All of these only gets worse because of my asocial, introverted and far from typical purely masculine character. More beta, than alpha (though I couldn't care less about that).
I am definitely not transgender. How do I get rid of these thoughts?

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>>38407830
>Yes, I do have dyscalculis, it's fairly unknown so I didn't mention it.
>My head always seems to feel pressure on my temples, the same way they would if you were stressed, as if I was stressed constantly, and it can make me space out. Been like this for several years
>The confusion usually happens when I'm put in even a slightly stressful situation, and it makes me forget things, gives headaches, and sometimes not even process things that have just been told to me
>All of these concussions have been from bike crashes, the serious one from a car hitting me, so I wasn't able to go to school, use my phone, etc
In addition, I long for attention from my peers and never seem to get appreciation, even though I feel terrible for attention whoring.
On top of that, I know the possible causes of these problems, but no idea how to solve them

>>38407857

I feel you because this is a problematic I know all too well. You can't even imagine just how much.

Trust me on this: if the heart isn't in it, nothing will make your relationships survive, except sheer will on your part, and that means it's unstable. The moment you meet another woman who touches your heart, you'll want to be with her. And if you're invested in your current woman, you'll suffer horrible morality issues, and you might try to keep your relationship, for her sake, and it will never work out.

My opinion, for now, is that you should very seriously consider ending it. If you told her about how you (don't) feel, chances are she wouldn't want to be with you. Reverse roles: if you were her, would you want to be with someone who has no solid feelings for you?

I wouldn't.

If you feel selfish, focus on this: she deserves someone who loves her for real, just as you deserve to be truly in love with your partner. You both deserve better.

^^^^ picrelated, sorry about that
Not necessarily unattractive, but most girls find me unattractive
What do, etc

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>>38407870
>How?

It's a long process. It'd take too much time to plan it out carefully. It depends on everyone, also. I generally start with "core beliefs" and such, as we are doing now.

>I have kind of a weak jaw, and I have only noticed this recently, but one of my eyes is slightly more droopy than the other. Only slightly though.

That sounds very trivial. What's a weak jaw anyway?

>The thing is I have attracted women in the past, but I don't know.

Yeah, you do know: you've attracted women in the past. That is all you need to know. You're attractive, period.

>that my problem is deeper than just looks.

We're already making huge progress. Excellent.

>But in the end, my autism shows, I sperge out and then I'm left lonely again.

Let's discuss that in detail, but let's not call it autism. It probably isn't. I'd like to know how you spill your spaghetti. If you can recreate an event and/or dialog, that'd be perfect.

>I've also had girls make eye contact with me then look away immediately.

This is what I do when I'm looking at someone I find attractive. "Shit, I got caught, best look away instantly so I don't look like a staring pervert." It's the same for women. Imagine if she just kept looking!

>But for some reason, god has made it so that any negative events that happen in our lives have a much more of an effect than a positive one.

More like you give more importance to the negative and less to the positive. Successful people tend to think that they have a great responsibility in their lives, that their acts influence a lot, and that mishaps and accidents just happen, but aren't conclusive of them being failures. Less successful people do the opposite: they assume they can't change anything, have no control, and are responsible for every mishap.

I got this from this absolutely mandatory book for anyone with anxiety/stress issues. Pic related. It's also a fantastic read, fun as fuck and intelligent. Love that guy.

>LO offered me that book.

>>38407985
The last part you wrote really struck a chord.
I constantly feel like she deserves more, and that I dont deserve her.
I feel like the biggest asshole for stringing this along, and incredibly selfish because in all honesty my life would collapse without her.
Millions of guys would kill for what I have.
She a cute little Asian chic, a solid 7/10, we play video games together, she cooks, she cleans, she's got a good job, she makes decent money, she puts up with my shit, she buys me things, she takes me places.
And of course I do the same for her, but it's honestly like she's my best friend and not a lover.
She literally begs me for sex but I can't even bring myself to fuck her more than twice a month at most.
I used to want and actually engage in sex with all of my previous girlfriends on a daily basis, like I was an addict, but I literally cannot be bothered to even let her just climb on top and fuck me before bed.

It's terribly selfish of me but I feel like I'm at such a point in my life where I almost can't continue without her because I live on this knife's edge of depression.
If I suddenly had to wake up tomorrow and didn't have her as a support I'd probably just kill myself just from being overwhelmed.

She doesn't know I'm depressed and I hide it from her well.

>>38407870
>Once just randomly he looked at me with those same eyes and asked because I had just started working there if I had friends now. He knew, and it kinda blew me away.

This is obviously someone who cares. The question, however, may not have had the weight you give it. People will casually ask you if you've made connections to other people on a new job. Anyone would get that question, because it's something humans normally do: you get to a new place, you connect, you make friends. It makes everyone feel better.

The thing with us is that since we make less connections, we give them more value, too. The result is that we are less likely to engage in "casual friendships" because of it. We imagine that all friendships must be important and sacred, when in reality, we should be more laid back. You can have friends that aren't the world to you (and when you begin befriending someone, you don't instantly know what kind of friends they'll be, so you'd better not judge too quickly either way).

>>38408098
To add to the depression bit, I wake up 4/7 days a week and feel like the tiniest thing is going to set me off and make me end it.
Like if I woke up and was out of wheeties that that would be the final straw.
And somehow it makes me feel a little better about the relationship because she'll maybe remember me as someone that went out loving her, but couldnt cope, than stringing this along until one of breaks and leaves the other.

>>38407964
>Sometimes I feel very envious of women and the way they are treated by society both sexually and non-sexually.

We'll probably discuss it, but we must not be thinking of the same things at all. I also wonder which women shared their experiences of life with you to make you feel envious, because you certainly didn't take your info solely from this board, right?

>Examples being more clothing options,

I used to think the same, but the question you must ask yourself is this: do you really want to wear a dress or a skirt?

If you say yes, then go right ahead. There are no laws on this. You'll be eyed strangely, yes, but you can do it. My guess is you don't think you look good in a dress.

>the empathy gap

I'll need you to define what you mean by this.

> having to be the one who takes charge and responsibility,

Some women prefer to do it themselves, but I don't guarantee you'd like it better. I've been in a relationship for 7 years and I was in charge of everything, and I liked my role. As a man, you might feel completely fulfilled by being in charge of a family, for instance. I know I would.

> their feelings being valued higher than mine

By whom? Society? Other people? Don't be fooled here, and keep in mind this: women know women. Women, in general, value men way more than commonly believed. They don't express it often because it's virtually impossible for a woman to say something like that in today's context (my soggy knees), but it's true nonetheless. Remember, women love men. This never goes away.

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>>38407896

thanks for the response. i'll try it out tonight.

>and open windows in winter, go to the bathroom, splash water on myself,

ive been told before that your bodies response to submerging your face in cold water can snap you out of an anxiety attack and i have tried it but it only held the anxiety off for 5 minutes and then it returned. i'll try a whole body application of this like you suggested.

> Let it happen to you, like a wave, let it come and go. It won't harm you.

that is the focus of the mindfulness meditation. just accepting it and being at peace with it. i have tried tossing those thoughts around in my head when anxious for hours to no avail. ive also tried telling myself "it cant actually harm me" and things like that. the anxiety, once started, is very persistent.

OP, I'd still like some advice, but I'll be right back so I'll be a couple minutes

>>38407964
> the fact that it's them who choose and that "game" is not exactly equal

Only if you let them. Everyone chooses, you're never forced to enter a relationship with anyone. The game is not symmetrical but not everything is to your disadvantage. As a man, you'll be able to "play the game" for decades longer than most women, to use a simple example. If you take care of yourself, like Wolverine, you'll remain a seductive motherfucker for a long time. The same is true of women, though.

>I really get quite depressed sometimes about the fact that it's the women are on the receiving end and I am the one, who, to the end of my life, has to take the inititative, or will die alone.

This wouldn't be a problem if you had no issue taking the initiative, you know? You're displacing the problem to women, but do you have to? As you said, the game is not equal, and that means men and women aren't expected to do the same things. It's more "expensive" for a woman to take the initiative, because she risks being thought of as "forward" and maybe she doesn't want you to think she's like that. It's a connendrum for her. She'll be there, waiting for you to just approach her, and you won't, so she'll think you don't care, even when you're a million lightyears away from imagining she wants you. It's tragic.

>All of these only gets worse because of my asocial, introverted and far from typical purely masculine character.

This is usually very attractive to women. Women like an introverted, mysterious guy. You just don't realise how much. (I didn't either, but then I did. Big time.)

We need to argue these a lot, because it's a main issue on this board and others will do well to read too.

>>38407970
>feel pressure on my temples, the same way they would if you were stressed, as if I was stressed constantly, and it can make me space out. Been like this for several years

I would urge you to see a physician about this. It could be any number of things but here I doubt it's a psychological problem. You may have some pressure building up under your skull.

This is could be extremely serious.

Was there a clear connection between the concussions and those issues? Did they start right after said concussions?

>>38408008

You're attractive. Girls find you attractive, no question about it. If you repel them, it's for other reasons.

I have problems with my anger. I believe I'm a very impulsive person, so I don't think about the consequences of my actions. When I believe someone has "disrespected" me, I start to have homicidal fantasies and whatnot. Sometimes, I punch them.I think it's because my stepfather always abused me, and every night I would think about grabbing a knife and stabbing him, but I was scared of getting arrested. He was arrested, but the anger was still stuck. I had a shitty childhood anyways, always homeless, abused and neglected.

I don't know how to get rid of it. How can I control it? I feel as if my only powerful emotion is anger.

>>38408098
>She literally begs me for sex

This is worse than I imagined. Friend, this can't go on.

>It's terribly selfish of me but I feel like I'm at such a point in my life where I almost can't continue without her because I live on this knife's edge of depression.

You should discuss this with her. You can both stick together to talk things out and both start looking for someone else, while having each other's friendly support. I'm not suggesting to burn bridges. Neither of you is getting what they need.

>She doesn't know I'm depressed and I hide it from her well.

Maybe, maybe she hides it from you that she knows.

Do you French kiss at all? Do you hug? What happens when she holds you? Do you sleep while in contact?

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>>38408165

No, no, don't "go out" like that. There may be a whole side of the problem, on her end, that you don't know. For instance, if she knows of your past sexual behaviour (basically that you're a sexual person), then she undoubtedly wonders why you don't make love with her more often. Her version of things may not be as bright as you imagine. She sounds like she could work very, very hard on a relationship to make it work. When a woman begs you for sex and stays with you, she'd do anything for you, even if it costs her her soul.

You guys need to talk seriously.

I had to make a meme out of your quote, it's great. I do this on occasion when someone says something that's too good to be forgotten. I mean no offense! I'll post others if you want.

>>38408195
>ive been told before that your bodies response to submerging your face in cold water can snap you out of an anxiety attack and i have tried it but it only held the anxiety off for 5 minutes and then it returned.

Your body/mind adapts, so after 5 minutes of the same thing, you're used to it and it no longer keeps your attention, so if the anxiety hasn't subsided by that time, it'll stop working.

Another thing you can try, though it sounds crazy, is to lay against the wall and feel it. With your whole body, just to feel things. You can do this on a bed too, though, except a bed is so familiar and usual that it won't do much.

Consider taking a shower. Sit under a shower and enjoy the sensation. This could help.

> i have tried tossing those thoughts around in my head when anxious for hours to no avail. ive also tried telling myself "it cant actually harm me" and things like that. the anxiety, once started, is very persistent.

It's too intense for mindfulness. I understand.

>>38408203

I'm running 20 minutes late already. Just so you know, guys. It takes time to read and compose posts that may be useful. There's a lot of you today, too.

I'll keep updating you on my growing lateness...

>>38408285

Go to the OP and read the articles on both abuse and Borderline. Start with Borderline, and tell me if it rings a bell.

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I'll post other memorable quotes.

I'm all caught up now! Ready for your posts.

>>38408060
>Yeah, you do know: you've attracted women in the past. That is all you need to know. You're attractive, period.
You don't know how much this small little sentence means to me.

>If you can recreate an event and/or dialogue, that'd be perfect.
I just normally say the wrong things at the wrong times and just make the situation much worse. I might have a conversation that's going well then it's only a matter of time before I spill my spaghetti. I don't even know. It's kinda like I can fit in with normies for a set amount of time before my autism shows. It's inevitable.

>This is what I do when I'm looking at someone I find attractive.
Nah, it's different. You can tell. They look away and don't even take notice of your existence after. And you can tell by their facial expression that they think that you are below them.

>LO offered me that book.
I'll check it out.

>>38408326
>You should discuss this with her. You can both stick together to talk things out and both start looking for someone else, while having each other's friendly support.
I'm too much of a jealous type for that, which is silly, all things considered.

>Do you French kiss at all?
I think we've done that twice in 5 years.
>Do you hug?
Daily, whenever I come home or whenever she comes home, almost never initiated by me. >Whatpens when she holds you?
I start to get antzy if it's longer than a few seconds.
>Do you sleep while in contact?
Never

>>38408367
I've kind of brought it up to her before ONCE but I ended up turning it around and making it her fault because I had gotten backed into a corner where I was going to reveal my powerlevel and didnt want her to get hurt so I apologized and we agreed to try harder. It was too stressful a conversation to want to have it again.

I laughed so hard at your meme that I woke her up and she asked why I was laughing.

>>38408427
>You don't know how much this small little sentence means to me.

Actually, I do. This is one of those things I want you to carve in your mind. Write it down, take a screecap, frame it on the wall, anything, but isolate that sentence and remind you of it.

One of the issues we have is to focus on the bad and forget the good, and not realise the process. To counter it, manually go against the grain. Remind yourself of how you've attracted women and how nothing in the universe will ever cancel that. Not even the force of the Big Bang could cancel the fact that you've attracted women, and thus, are attractive.

>>38408449
OK, on another note. I wanna get into reading, but a lot of times I begin a book then don't finish it. I have read books in the past like when I was 16 I read fault in out stars. But since then I can't quite finish a book again even if I enjoy it.

If you read, got any advice?

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>>38408427
>I just normally say the wrong things at the wrong times and just make the situation much worse. I might have a conversation that's going well then it's only a matter of time before I spill my spaghetti. I don't even know. It's kinda like I can fit in with normies for a set amount of time before my autism shows. It's inevitable.

OK, but what I'm asking is for you to give me a concrete example of this happening. Actual direct speech and everything, if you can. I need to know exactly how spaghetti is spilled.

>Nah, it's different. You can tell. They look away and don't even take notice of your existence after.

How would that look different from me looking away once caught and not looking back to make sure I don't get caught again?

>And you can tell by their facial expression that they think that you are below them.

Maybe, and maybe not. Tsundere is a real thing sometimes.

Do read the book, it's brilliant.

>>38408419

The only things that rung a few bells were explosive anger and impulsive behavior. I'd steal without thinking twice from some shops.

>>38408481
>OK, but what I'm asking is for you to give me a concrete example of this happening. Actual direct speech and everything, if you can. I need to know exactly how spaghetti is spilled.
Now we're going deep. I have a habit of telling people everything about me, even the most embarrassing things just because they gave me a bit of attention, something I am not very used to. Like once I told a guy about tried to suck my won dick once when I was a kid amongst other things.

Please don't judge me. I was young.

>Maybe, and maybe not. Tsundere is a real thing sometimes.
I really do wanna believe this!

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>>38408430
>I think we've done that twice in 5 years.

https://youtu.be/B4KN6TFhy2I

Brace for feels. Whenever that song came on the radio, I felt like shit. Cool song, though.

The painful bit here is that I can relate to much of what you're telling me.

>I've kind of brought it up to her before ONCE but I ended up turning it around and making it her fault because I had gotten backed into a corner where I was going to reveal my powerlevel and didnt want her to get hurt so I apologized and we agreed to try harder.

Boy, that's complicated. I feel for you because you guys seem to get along really well, like best friends, which you probably are and will remain.

>I laughed so hard at your meme that I woke her up and she asked why I was laughing.

I'm always scared to offend people when I do this, so I'm glad you laughed!

Here's one from our legendary Coats. Coats is the man.

>>38407970
>>38408264
>You may have some pressure building up under your skull.
absolutely not. unless it's rapidly getting worse it's more likely that you actually are constantly stressed or clenching your jaw.

please continue listening to Nick without worrying about your headache. he can help lots.

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>>38408475
>I read fault in out stars.

Incidentally, the video I posted in the OP stars Hank Green, John's brother. It's their YouTube channel, Crash Course, intended to give free education. While one might resent both on account of perceived Redditness, what they do is actually fucking cool and well done.

I recommend their channel. John himself does a number of topics, but all the ones I've watched so far weren't taught by him (I watched the chemistry playlist, the video game history one, the astronomy one, not fully, and I'm going through their psychology list nowadays).

I do read. I have degrees in English and French literature, and linguistics.

Consider reading Catcher in the Rye.

>>38408519

OK, if that's the only thing, maybe it's not it. Do read about antisocial disorder, that may fit more. I don't have a link for it, but wiki or google will be fine.

>>38408402
thanks again for the response.

>Consider taking a shower. Sit under a shower and enjoy the sensation. This could help.

i actually cant have a shower without having an anxiety attack. its one of the things that triggers it. i first started getting anxious at work. then even after leaving work id still be anxious. then getting ready for work would trigger an attack. then i quit my job but doing the things i used to do getting ready for work would still trigger an attack. now i have an anxiety attack most nights of the week and without medication they last for hours.

>Another thing you can try, though it sounds crazy, is to lay against the wall and feel it.

it cant hurt, i'll try it.

>>38408520
>I have a habit of telling people everything about me, even the most embarrassing things just because they gave me a bit of attention, something I am not very used to. Like once I told a guy about tried to suck my won dick once when I was a kid amongst other things.

Here, it's an issue of boundaries. It's not that you can't tell people everything, but you can't do it right away. People have flexible limits and are willing to be patient and tolerant, as it's much better than to have to conclude that you're insane, which nobody wants to think, but if you go too hard, they won't be able to do much. It's like anal. You can't just go all in without lube. (Them amazing analogies...)

For instance, people who give you attention shouldn't be given things that are too hard to digest. That's what small talk is for: having completely safe grounds in which to learn to know the other person. Small talk exists so you can evaluate each other, know each other, feel comfortable together, without dealing with the risks of dangerous topics, which can ruin friendships sometimes. In other words, small talk means "topics don't matter so much as the person I'm talking to."

If you drop something too heavy, the result will be negative and the person will wonder why the fuck you said that. You'll be thought of as either weird or an asshole. People who are adjusted won't understand that you didn't mean either of these.

>>38408594
Again on another note. How do I deal with >tfw no gf And where do I go to meet girls and perhaps get one?

>>38408184
>because you certainly didn't take your info solely from this board
It comes from observation. I won't lie, I often browse MGTOW and Men'sRights subreddits, so I guess I am aware of certain issues. Bear with me, please, as I know the reputation of these subreddits, I try to filter all the shitposting and look at the whole thing as objectively as I can.

>do you really want to wear a dress or a skirt?
Maybe. I think my issue here is the stereotype (?) that it's women, who are the pretty sex, while men are the opposite. Men's clothes are also more practical and, well, rough? Meanwhile women have the right to wear something light, cute, pretty, feminine and/or masculine and don't get judged. It comes down to the role of man being the leader, who shouldn't show weakness in any shape or form.

>the empathy gap
Men's lives are valued less than women's. Biologically men are disposable.

>Some women prefer to do it themselves
How many are there like that, though? It's like the the ratio of submissive males and dominative females. I don't have the data, but it's not really equal, as far as I know.

>By whom? Society? Other people?
Well, yes? Have you ever been told to "man up" and "deal with it"? Boys aren't supposed to cry, are they? When a woman hits a man, it's seen as a sign of his weakness. When the opposite happens, even in self defense, it's ostracized. I am Western Slav, mind you, things are still a little bit traditional here.

>If you take care of yourself, like Wolverine
I guess I agree with that, but not with women loving men just because. I can't not see the materialistic side of love these days.

>Women like an introverted, mysterious guy
But only when he is attractive or/and has amazing hobbies & friends and/or money? Let's be real here.

https://youtu.be/oQUC1SLow_Y

Have a theme song.

>First let's just unzip your religion
>W-what?

I'm about ten minutes late.

>>38408569
>absolutely not. unless it's rapidly getting worse it's more likely that you actually are constantly stressed or clenching your jaw.

That's likely true. LO used to clench her jaw so hard while sleeping it gave her pain, during a stressful time in her life.

As a rule of thumb, whenever something is not strictly psychological, I prefer to send people to see doctors and not give too much advice.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. (But don't you think it's worth getting that head checked out by a doctor anyway?)

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Sup nick.
The car is not coming back. The police here should search for it but at this point it's most likely already dismantled and her pieces sold around the black market.
My coworker is remarkably pissed and we haven't had our usual discussions since the theft.

>>38408661
>i actually cant have a shower without having an anxiety attack. its one of the things that triggers it.

Maybe I'm getting mixed up but I thought you said nothing specific triggered your attacks. What are other things that can trigger them?

Work, OK.

(I'm reading and responding as I go to save time, forgive me.)

Did anything happen at work that stressed you out?

>>38408669

Focus on self-improvement first and foremost. Women, but people in general, aren't attracted when they become the focus of someone else. A woman who has a musical career, like a pianist, will attract you more than a woman whose main interest is just you. The same applies for women. Enjoy your life, enjoy yourself, do things, and the rest will come along with it. What does it mean concretely? It means things like joining clubs, learning new things, going to evening classes and such.

You can also use online dating websites (not Tinder).

OK, my computer is crapping out. I have to reboot.

>>38408715
>(But don't you think it's worth getting that head checked out by a doctor anyway?)
i assume it was checked when the serious concussion occurred. honestly that's the only alarming part. the fact that it's been going on for years (without getting worse?) in a person with mental issues is enough to feel safe that it's not anything serious.
could be worth a check up with the dentist however, if it is from the jaws and not some other place it might be treatable with a mouthguard.

>>38408608

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/antisocial-personality-disorder-symptoms/

Seems to fit more about me.

>Failure to conform to social norms

I did do some criminal acts but I can adapt

>Deceitfulness

I lie, usually for personal gain, such as money or other things I need.

>Impulsivity

Definitely, I have done many risky acts without thinking about what would happen.
Have trouble thinking ahead.

>Reckless disregard

Not for myself, not on purpose at least. Others, maybe.

>Consistent irresponsibility
Barely went to school, and if I did, I left early anyways. Got a job, did poorly.

>Lack of remorse
I haven't done many things that would "hurt" others. I stole a couple hundreds maybe, but I needed it more. The guy looked rich and my family was poor.

>>38407284
Hey Nick. Do you remember that one girl I told you about?

>>38408430
>I think we've done that twice in 5 years.

I had to be away for a bit. Can you tell me more about this?

>>38408791
>You can also use online dating websites (not Tinder).Tried that and got no matches. too uggo.

>>38408672
>It comes from observation.

Observation will always be tainted to some degree by your own perception, e.g. confirmation bias. We have many examples of anons who do this in these threads.

>I often browse MGTOW and Men'sRights subreddits, so I guess I am aware of certain issues.

Yes, and such issues exist, but there's a world beyond them.

>Bear with me, please, as I know the reputation of these subreddits, I try to filter all the shitposting and look at the whole thing as objectively as I can.

To do that, you'd have to also spend time reading things from the other side of the problem, which I'm not sure you do.

>that it's women, who are the pretty sex, while men are the opposite.

That's because you've never seen yourself from the eyes of a woman. Trust me, men look good to women, especially with clothes that fit men. A man in a suit, or good casual clothes, is attractive. Don't compare beauty. Women have their way and we have ours, but this isn't innate, you have to learn. Many people with special parents never learned to dress, groom, or anything. That was my case. At 12, I never combed or even looked at myself in in the mirror, and never even noticed my sneakers had pink on them. I had zero self-image. I had never been taught anything about that, and I was never made to think of myself as a person, either.

>Men's clothes are also more practical and, well, rough?

You must not have worn a lot of suits and ties, then. A tight shirt, in a tight suit, with a tie on top of it all can be a fucking torture, and in hot weather, it's hell. That shit ain't practical, but you look hot.

> Meanwhile women have the right to wear something light, cute, pretty, feminine and/or masculine and don't get judged.

Not sure about the "don't get judged". More options means more responsibility, and you'll be "judged" for it, every time.

cont.

>>38408672


>It comes down to the role of man being the leader, who shouldn't show weakness in any shape or form.

Yes and no. I found that showing weakness in an assured manner is completely fine; in fact, it's more OK to show weakness in a sure way than showing strength in a way way. People like to know what they can count on. When you doubt yourself, you are unreliable, and thus dangerous. That's why people like "strength", but really it's more about reliability than just strength/weakness.

"Is this bridge safe?"
"Y-yes, senpai, I'm pretty s-sure it is... I think."
"..."

"Is this bridge safe?"
"No, it's fucking not! Don't step on it, anon."
"OK, senpai. Fuck me right now."

I love this girl but I lied about my age (told her I was 1 year older than I really am) she's 3 years older than me. now she wants a relationship and I don't know what to do

>>38408672
>Men's lives are valued less than women's. Biologically men are disposable.

That'd be true for ants, but not for humans. And you know who values men the most? Women.

Basing your opinion on people with mental illnesses of their own is not sound, because it won't give you a good idea of reality. Virtually all the issues that men encounter with women are attributable to some nasty mental illness, not "womanhood" per se.

And trust me, I've had serious issues with that. I've had a woman threaten to falsely accuse me of rape unless I did what she told me to do, and other things. So I know, but it's not women, it's mental illness and madaladaptive defense mechanisms.

>>38408946
Steve here again, it's too much of a hassle to namefag on this app, so you'll just have to trust it's me.

My issues towards my fiance are a little more fucked up than I've let on. To put it very lightly without going too deep, I'm really only into white women.
She's obviously Asian, and I'm just not terribly attracted to her.
To put some scope on the situation:
I was 18, and in a relationship with my highschool sweetheart (the true love I explained in previous posts)
I was moving to another state, friends threw me a going away party.
My current girlfriend was invited by a friend.
She told me years later she fell in love with me that night.
Nothing happened that night.
Fast forward three years.
I move back home.
Still with highschool sweetheart.
Hit a Rocky point with highschool gf, break up, start dating current gf.
Move in together with friend and her.
Current gf and I break up.
Still living together.
Get back together with highschool gf, get married.
Still living with current gf.
Wife moves in to house with current gf and me and friend.
Current gf moves out.
Wife and I go through a very shit time, separate and divorce.
Current gf and I start friends with benefits-ing
Turns more serious.
Start dating again exclusively.
Move in together.
Buy two dogs.
Fast forward to today.

I've put her through some shit that disgusts me, and she's still here.
I don't deserve her, but I can't feign love forever, and if I had to to make her happy, I would, but it would be out of guilt.

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>>38408672
>How many are there like that, though? It's like the the ratio of submissive males and dominative females. I don't have the data, but it's not really equal, as far as I know.

You didn't tell me what you think it is. I assume you assume there are more dominant males and more submissive females. There are also plenty of submissive males. My impression, often, is that dominants are fewer in general, which would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

Are you submissive yourself?

>Well, yes? Have you ever been told to "man up" and "deal with it"?

Sure, but I've also been told that people were there for me if I needed help, both from men and women, and way more from women than men, in fact, but still both happened.

>Boys aren't supposed to cry, are they?

I've never seen a woman despise me for shedding a tear. Quite the opposite. Women like that you feel emotions, as it allows you to connect to them better (them and everyone else, which is why I run this thread).

>When a woman hits a man, it's seen as a sign of his weakness.

Depends. Context is everything here.

>I guess I agree with that, but not with women loving men just because.

Don't you love women just because? We evolved to love each other, it's one of our strongest urges. Our survival depends on it. The whole MRA/Feminazi issue can often be reduced to very upset people who'd love to find a loving partner.

>But only when he is attractive or/and has amazing hobbies & friends and/or money? Let's be real here.

Let's be real indeed: I didn't have amazing hobbies (and they didn't know about the ones I had anyway), or friends, or money, and the interest was there. More than interest. I'm not ugly but I'm not Michael Fassbender.

>>38408737

Hey there. Maybe you should ask him how he's doing.

Was he insured?

>>38409068
bump please respond before I fall asleep

>>38408882
>I haven't done many things that would "hurt" others. I stole a couple hundreds maybe, but I needed it more. The guy looked rich and my family was poor.

From the looks of it, I don't think you'd know what would hurt others or not.

What criminal acts did you commit?

>>38408922

The one you wanted to be with?

>>38409003

What other websites use matches? What have you used and for how long?

>>38409324
I don't remember saying I wanted to be with her. Did I?

>>38409068

Tell her. 1 year is fucking nothing. Lying is a bit more important, but if you tell her your reasons, it'll be fine.

What was the reason?

>>38409319

Almost exclusively theft. You're right, I probably don't know.

>>38409333
This my post. Fucking forgot the name again.

>>38407284
Last question.

I'm starting to make music, and I live in quite a big family. 12 people altogether. This is a problem because I'm really self-conscious about it and don't like people hearing me making music and I'm always constantly too afraid to get into the music I am making because I think my family will hear.

How do I get over this and just make music?

>>38409328
I also tried okcupid and same result 0

Reporting in this evening long day dead tired 36celsius finally got home laid on my floor can't move


Hi nick

>>38409104
>I'm really only into white women.

Oh shit my nigga...

>Get back together with highschool gf, get married.
>Still living with current gf.
>Wife moves in to house with current gf and me and friend.

Wait, do I understand this correctly: you kept living with one woman, while getting married to another? How does that happen?

I keep thinking you both need someone else. And I keep thinking you need to talk.

>>38409333

I don't remember then. You were into her, no? Just tell me, man, I don't have time for guesses! Unless you want an interesting response from me in 2 hours only.

>>38409348

Do this test.

https://psychology-tools.com/empathy-quotient/

>>38409400
>pete

For music, you can get an instrument with headphones. Electric guitars can be used this way, for instance. You can make music on a computer, too, and learn how to do so with tutorials and all that. Same with a synth. If you like piano, get a good synth and headphones and you're set.

Did you contact women on these websites?

>>38409401

Hey Weeb. Going through my e-mails as I run the thread. Not ignoring anybody!

Hey.

Because I've been lonely for years and since I've had to deal with everyone else around me in college being social and happy I got to a point where if I'm in a group of people where others already know each other better than I know them I become very sad and unable to socialize properly.

This not only puts me in great discomfort because I spend the rest of the day angry , it also harms my chances of finding more friends since I can really only meet people 1 on 1 or, at most, 1 on 3.

>>38409402
>Wait, do I understand this correctly: you kept living with one woman, while getting married to another? How does that happen?
We all needed a place to live, current gf thought she could handle it. Wife moved in, we shared a room that my current gf and I lived in, and made current gf move downstairs into the living room.

Dark times man.
She still wants me despite all of that shit.

>I keep thinking you both need someone else. And I keep thinking you need to talk.

>>38408739
>Maybe I'm getting mixed up but I thought you said nothing specific triggered your attacks. What are other things that can trigger them?

no specific thought triggers the attacks (im not worrying or focusing on anything in particular) but certain situations will trigger it. sometimes just brushing my teeth the sensation gives me an anxiety attack .it sounds ridiculous when i actually type it out but it happens. often just trying to sleep i have an attack. other times usually at night i'll be on the computer and i'll just start to feel off and know im going to get anxious and then i do. its probably like you said earlier: the fear of having an anxiety attack actually gives me one.

>Did anything happen at work that stressed you out?

i have schizophrenia but thats kept under control by medication and is not what is causing my anxiety. but since having a first psychotic episode the first couple years after i was depressed (i was put on antidepressants for two years then taken off them) then i started working and had really bad social anxiety. then started having an anxiety attack every time i went into work. the doctors told me being exposed to what makes me anxious will lessen it over time. so i kept going back and the anxiety just got worse and worse until i had to quit and now im having almost nightly anxiety attacks.

>>38409498
>I become very sad and unable to socialize properly.

That'd be most people, it's a very uncomfortable position to be in, even if you're socially able. Don't blame yourself too much for it.

>since I can really only meet people 1 on 1 or, at most, 1 on 3.

To befriend someone, that's how it's best done. Beyond that, it's group stuff. For now, just make sure you don't attack yourself for it, as it's not your fault. You'll also look friendlier if you're not self-hating.

>>38409431

4 out of a possible 80.

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>>38409168
I can't, as for any kind of relationship i am subconsciously avoidant. These kind of thoughts don't even cross my mind, if anything i still have a social anxiety meme as if i was a 12 yo overly sensible girl.
He was for cheap. He likely won't be getting a lot for the car since he can't prove she was stolen.

>>38409503
>Wife moved in,

May I ask why you didn't live together before getting married? I mean, the natural order of things is:

>move in together
>get engaged
>get married

It seems risky to get engaged before having lived together, much more so to get married, no? That's the part I'm confued about.

How was she OK with you living with another woman, also? Your wife, I mean.

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I went out for a nice Sunday dinner. A carvery which for those from a nation that has never been part of the glorious British Empire, is a roast dinner with freshly sliced pieces of meat and potatoes alongside british veg like peas, carrots etc served with bread sauce, gravy and stuffing. Anyway, I decided to get a large. The plate it came on was the size of 1.5 or two standard plates. I'd been watching Man vs Food last night, so I piled it high. A prodigious amount of food; enough for two if not three.

My gf said something about there being no way I'd eat it all. I was already thinking of it as a challenge, so that sealed it. From the outset it wasn't about nourishment or even enjoyment, but something to be overcome. About 1/3 in I was getting pretty full, but I pressed on.

By the last 1/3 it was definitely a slog, if not outright unpleasant. I get pains in my neck when I eat too much, and I felt sick but I kept going. That voice came in that's there whenever I'm going too hard, whether it be the treadmill, this, or starvation. A voice that says:
>Is this all your determination is worth?
Always those exact same words. Well, it can be determination, dedication, resolve, will, spirit. You know.

I was thinking about the thread too; about how I had to do it. How if I came here to report a failure then I would feel like a failure. So I 'won'. But what did I win? It wasn't really a challenge. No one was there to see it. I felt sick leaving and the nerve along the side of my neck right down into my shoulder felt a stabbing pain.

So now that I've done it, I don't really feel any pride in it. I did something unpleasant, made myself doing it knowing I'd suffer, and that's about it. I'm meant to be dieting and I did this. Why? It makes no sense.

>>38409466
That's not the problem. The problem is the vocals. I'm too afraid to start singing when there might be people in my house who can hear me. I, so far, have 1 song on my soundcloud.

>Did you contact women on these websites?
Yep, they just viewed my profile then didn't message me and just ignored the text.

>>38409506
>sometimes just brushing my teeth the sensation gives me an anxiety attack .it sounds ridiculous when i actually type it out but it happens.

I understand. In specific contexts, I've experienced the same. In my case, I think it was the act of doing something personal somewhere other than my home, or something of the sort.

You'd do well to ponder the issue here and try to find why it could be that brushing your teeth generates anxiety. It may sound silly but you need to dig, there's something underneath.

>>38409506
>then started having an anxiety attack every time i went into work. the doctors told me being exposed to what makes me anxious will lessen it over time. so i kept going back and the anxiety just got worse and worse until i had to quit and now im having almost nightly anxiety attacks.

Being exposed to what generates fear only works if you fully understand what you're actually scared of and why, which I don't think is the case here. Work became associated with anxiety, and after that, doing things to prepare for work did too (AH! that's why brushing your teeth generates anxiety! Eureka.)

>>38409529
>That'd be most people, it's a very uncomfortable position to be in, even if you're socially able. Don't blame yourself too much for it.

I don't know, man, I don't see people struggling with this shit, they all seem like they're a perfect fit instantly.

>To befriend someone, that's how it's best done. Beyond that, it's group stuff. For now, just make sure you don't attack yourself for it, as it's not your fault. You'll also look friendlier if you're not self-hating.

The thing is, how do I expand my friend network without relying on my friends' network? I barely have any as is and I have no idea how to get more. Even the little ones I have are hard for me to maintain, really.

I think I spent so long in isolation that I can't think of myself as "of the same species" as other people, so to say.
It's like everyone has a natural affinity to each other that I failed to develop in the womb.

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>>38409537

Damn... Yes, there's a huge empathy issue here. You virtually have none. In other words, you have no idea what other people think/feel and they barely exist to you beyond being moving objects.

This is undoubtedly from your "education" and your parents probably had very little empathy as well.

Showing you my score for comparison (I still don't know how anyone gets under 60 at this thing, it's a mystery to me).

>>38409416
Nah, I just wanted to be friends, because I don't have many.

>>38409549

You can't ask him?

>>38409635

Makes sense. My mother was the only one there for me and she was neglectful. My father left me for years and my stepfather physically and emotionally abused me. Guess I took it from them. I don't blame my mom though, being homeless is hard.

>>38409570
>A voice that says:
>Is this all your determination is worth?

Replace it with a voice that says:

>Are you really going to place any self-value points in overeating beyond pleasure? Not even professional eaters do that.

>How if I came here to report a failure then I would feel like a failure.

Too bad, because you have failed. You gave in to bullshit. Sure, you managed to eat a lot of food you didn't need - succeeding only in making your people think you're a hell of a fatso, only second to Atlas - as I doubt they'd ever imagine you were eating so much to impress them, or yourself, as that's too childish and you're an adult.

So yeah, in that sense, you failed. Determination would have been to resist the urge of being trolled by your inner voice.

Consider this:

"Are you man enough to do [some crazy shit]?"
"Yes..."
"Nah, sounds like you're a puss puss... You can't do [some crazy shit]!"
"What! I'll prove you wrong!"

*does [some crazy shit]*

You're trolling yourself. And to top it all, you don't actually feel proud. You know why now, because you bitched yourself, so you can't win.

Analyse the motivation behind the overeating. I know you wanted to do the same thing in public once, and you like suffering for an audience.

>>38409578
>That's not the problem. The problem is the vocals. I'm too afraid to start singing when there might be people in my house who can hear me. I, so far, have 1 song on my soundcloud.

You could rent someone's garage or basement. Here, people often rent their building basements to bands so they can practice without bothering people.

Or you can just sing and not care. It depends on how your family approaches it.

I'd like to hear your song!

>Yep, they just viewed my profile then didn't message me and just ignored the text.

How many?

>>38409621
>I don't see people struggling with this shit, they all seem like they're a perfect fit instantly.

Then do what they do and you'll give the same impression. Don't forget it's just an impression.

>The thing is, how do I expand my friend network without relying on my friends' network? I barely have any as is and I have no idea how to get more. Even the little ones I have are hard for me to maintain, really.

Consider clubs, or events, things like that. If you can.

>It's like everyone has a natural affinity to each other that I failed to develop in the womb.

Not in the womb, you develop that later on, usually thanks to your caregivers, but if they don't do it, you'll be behind, yes, but it's not incurable.

>>38409636

So what happened? Tell me!

>>38409766
>>38409777

Kek is with me. And he wants to know too.

Are you an ausfag PsychBro?

>>38409736
>You could rent someone's garage or basement. Here, people often rent their building basements to bands so they can practice without bothering people.
Nah, I'm kinda alone and doing this by myself.

>How many?
Just a couple. But after the first few days I kinda just accepted that online dating isn't for me.

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>>38409812

Switzerland. The land of chocolate, HR Giger, Piaget, Jung, and birthplace of LSD. Pretty badass nation if you ask me.

>>38409719
>"Are you man enough to do [some crazy shit]?"
>"Yes..."
>"Nah, sounds like you're a puss puss... You can't do [some crazy shit]!"
>"What! I'll prove you wrong!"

>*does [some crazy shit]*

That's pretty much to the letter how that internal conversation would go. How and why would a person self-troll? I do think it ties into enduring suffering. Doing something undesirable that subverts an otherwise pleasurable activity and makes it a miserable slog, concluding in further misery. But hey, at least I kept going. I could have given up - I ought to have given up - but if I had I know I'd be beating myself up over it now. I'm net worse off for persevering but I would feel worse if I'd have been sensible and stopped when it started being painful.

>>38409819
>Just a couple. But after the first few days I kinda just accepted that online dating isn't for me.

That's where you went wrong. A few days is not enough for these things, and just a couple isn't enough either. But I understand, it's what I should be doing and I can't do it at all. You've been braver than I.

You should try again.

>>38409736
>I'd like to hear your song!
I posted my first song ever in my life on my SoundCloud. I don't want to disturb you with my terrible singing voice. Too embarrassing.

>>38409777
Well, I ended up telling my girlfriend about her, and my girlfriend isn't too happy. It's pretty annoying. My gf doesn't want me to hang out with the friend unless it's all of us together. I'm thinking about just leaving the both of them. I'm also thinking about how to get this to turn out good.

>>38409856
>You should try again.
I put my self-esteem on the line, and it was crushed.

>>38409586
>>38409607

>AH! that's why brushing your teeth generates anxiety! Eureka.

ive suspected this. its the same with having a shower. the thing is i havnt worked since last year and these things are still triggering my anxiety. it seems like it will go on forever at this point and now the doctor want to tapper me off of xanax, the only thing that helps. i feel like im screwed. scared i will end up back in hospital.

>>38409842
>How and why would a person self-troll?

Because the perceived psychological gain outweighs the actual loss: feeling like a badass outweighs physical pain and unpleasant British food.

>enduring suffering.

This. In a situation where you can do nothing else, enduring becomes the one thing you can extract power from. In your past, this was your one power, your one way to prove worthy, so you learned to endure, and if the occasion shows up nowadays, you'll still take it, for the same benefits from olden times. You don't need this power anymore, though. You can refuse food, you can fuck shit up if anyone tries to impose things on you.

Moreover, overeating like this could lead to serious damage, so stop your shit. People have died from not going to piss, you know. Listen to your body, not your inner demons. Your body knows, listen. Your mind knows as well, listen, but other voices, fuck'em.

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>>38409831
>Piaget
Pic related is the realest nigga

>>38409862

I'm still curious. I can't sing at all. Is there some instrument with it?

>>38409911
>In a situation where you can do nothing else, enduring becomes the one thing you can extract power from. In your past, this was your one power, your one way to prove worthy, so you learned to endure, and if the occasion shows up nowadays, you'll still take it, for the same benefits from olden times.
10/10 post, most insightful in a while

>>38409865

How would it turn out good? In your mind.

>>38409884

Don't. It's not a test of your worth, it's dating. Think of it this way: dumb people will not appreciate intelligent people, for instance, to put it in a caricatural way. It's not you being examined and tested. When someone doesn't like you, it's not always just you failing some test. It can be them failing, too. It can also be both. Don't see it as exams but as compatibility. The downside of these dating websites is that appearance comes first. You don't get to experience the person until after you get to see how they look. But you can turn that to your advantage by looking good.

>>38409931
I download beats from the internet then sing over them.

>>38409905
>ive suspected this. its the same with having a shower. the thing is i havnt worked since last year and these things are still triggering my anxiety.

They're still connected. Like Pavlov's dog. You're conditioned to think of work when you do either thing.

Decondition yourself! When you brush your teeth or shower, focus very hard on how you're staying the fuck home afterwards.

"I'm washing myself, then I'll read a book in bed, motherfuckers."

"I'm brushing my teeth and then I'm off to vidya time, motherfuckers."

It is important to say "motherfuckers" at the end.

>>38409905

https://youtu.be/qG2SwE_6uVM

Video related. It may shed some light on the situation.

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>>38409641
Yes but it wouldn't come out of me naturally. It would kind of feel forced and i can't bear having awkward conversations even if they are just slightly awkward.
Since i was a teen i noticed normies pull awkward conversation with ease, or maybe they don't find them awkward.

Asking him personal questions is hard for me, it would be one-sided since i never talked to him about me.

>>38409968
Well it's a fucking long shot, but I'd just want her okay with us hanging out.

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>>38409924

>what is innate learning

Skinner is cool but he should stick to pidgeons. I prefer this Skinner anyway.

>>38409951

Thanks. I don't really know how I get these insights.

>>38409979

Do you sing well?

>>38409344
the reason will get me banned xd

>>38410020
>Yes but it wouldn't come out of me naturally. It would kind of feel forced and i can't bear having awkward conversations even if they are just slightly awkward.

I see... You could write him a note. In the note, you can even explain just that, "I'm not good at asking these things in person, so I'm writing you a note."

I guarantee he'll be touched.

And you're right, other people don't feel the amount of shame you may experience when getting personal, probably because they have a more stable base for their self-esteem and don't need to judge themselves on how they perform socially.

Hi Nick. I am a loser who faps when he gets horny. The release feels so great. WHAT DO?

>>38410113
For my first song, I just spoke over a beat. I can post it, but I promise just don't judge me. I know it's terrible, but I see it more as a thing I will look back on when I get better so I can compare how much I have improved.

>>38410057

Are you sure she only wants you as a friend?

>>38409924
>Skinner
Sounds like a peado

>>38410131

OK. I hope you'll be able to keep posting. It's a good reason, so to speak, to lie, so she'll understand. Don't worry about it. She'll be happy that she can trust you, because if she couldn't, she could be in trouble.

>>38410173

OK. Like slam?

Do you actually write music?

i cant even get anyone to respond to me on this board when i m reaching out
it honestly hurts to exist
crying into the pillow is not doing it anymore
i wish there was a person who could just hold my hand tell me that theres nothing wrong with me even though i wont believe it
i wish someone cared enough to believe in me
i wish i didnt make everyone around me uncomfortable
make me disappear

>>38410219
>OK. Like slam?
What is?

>Do you actually write music?
Yep, I tried freestyling but figured out it's impossible for me.

>>38410257

Which one was your post?

>>38410257
Where are you from, anonino?

>>38410260
>What is?

Slam is some subpar poetry that people like to indulge in. It's somewhere between rap and spoken poetry. It usually sucks very hard, in my impression.

>Yep, I tried freestyling but figured out it's impossible for me.

Improvising is a whole different thing. I can do both on guitar and like both for different reasons.

You're better off composing some stuff on your own before improvising.

>>38409992
>>38410007

>Decondition yourself! When you brush your teeth or shower, focus very hard on how you're staying the fuck home afterwards.

ok. thanks for your help and suggestions. i will keep trying. i havnt completely given up hope yet. somethings gotta work sometime. maybe just running through my head nonstop "im staying home, im staying home" will hold back the anxiety.

>>38410374
>"im staying home, im staying home" will hold back the anxiety.

Yeah. Make that stuff conscious and it may help.

Maybe try a bath, for a change.

I hope Coats will show up today.

Meta, are you lurking?

>>38410474

It's not that at all. Where did you get the guitar bit?

Can't believe it's only been a few weeks since I had a drink. Feels longer.

I live with two women. The first one is OK, but the second one is literally what comes to mind when robots think about women. She is loud, entitled and firmly believes that she is never wrong, and never childish. She talks down to people during arguments and when she starts losing the argument, she flip-flops, says no one understands her and storms out literally screaming.

We had a blowup because she said that she applied for a different job and if she gets it, she will be trying to terminate our lease early (which usually involves fees) and live alone. She knows that I don't have a job right now and I can only afford rent because I have savings. I told her this was incredibly fucked up with no regard to what I'm going to do. She starts yelling at me because "she didn't like my tone." It ends up in her screaming and slamming doors and because I'm tired of coddling her I tell her that she needs to get the fuck out and I don't give a damn about her tantrums.

Now, it's been a few days and she hasn't spoken to me. She's also implying that I'm the one who is giving the silent treatment, and that I owe her an apology for my tone. I will never do that. I'm not wrong and I refuse to apologize for her feelings when I'm not the one who was yelling, screaming and stomping around. She just wants an apology because she doesn't like being the only one to apologize, I'd be apologizing for essentially 'making her act like a crazy person' but she's an adult. She can take it on the chin.

What do you think? She's telling everyone that we know that she's tired of getting in fights with me and that I'm pretty hard to deal with. My other roommate is telling me I just need to apologize to get it over with, but I'm taking my stand.

>>38410559
A female friend of mine that I met on here plays these on her guitar and posted them on vocaroo then sent me the link. I downloaded it then just talked over it.

I know it's absolutely atrocious but it's a starting point.

The original song is called: I get high is by nothing but thieves(I think?)

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>>38410591
>She is loud, entitled and firmly believes that she is never wrong, and never childish. She talks down to people during arguments and when she starts losing the argument, she flip-flops, says no one understands her and storms out literally screaming.

Read about narcissists and Borderliners. Could be either for now.

>>38410591
>She starts yelling at me because "she didn't like my tone."

Some subtle version of the ad hominem bullshit. It allows her not to address the point.

>>38410591

Here's what I advise: do realise she's acting like a pissed off child. Keep cool all the time, no matter what she does. Giggle about it if necessary, but never ever play her game, never stoop to her level, never justify her ways, because she'll try to make you do that. It's very hard for someone to shout if the other person isn't shouting, etc.

Deal with this exactly as if she was a normal adult. Don't hesitate to point out where she errs, what doesn't make sense, etc. You know she'll rage but that's not your problem.

If she wants to leave the place early and there are fees involved, she can pay them.

You know what's fair, she doesn't.

I'd back down on exactly nothing. Other room mate will probably side with you if things go bad.

>>38410591
You should tell the bitch to fuck herself and never apologize to her. Anything else and you're a fucking cuck. Who gives a shit if she doesn't talk to you? You shouldn't.

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>>38410745

Oh Dan, I will always love you.

>>38410810
Well it's a valid advice. She's acting like a fucking bitch. He shouldn't even be talking to her beyond

>Shut up
>I don't give a shit about what you're saying

>>38410182
I don't know. I am a bit suspicious of the friend having a crush on me.

>>38410719
Yeah, I mean, if she wants to move out then I can't force her to stay. I do believe she jumped the gun with this, considering she doesn't even have the job. Should she have to still keep living with us, her negotiating power is significantly reduced, I won't be going out of our way to make sure she gets everything she wants out of an apartment because she didn't give a damn about me when she thought she had an opportunity. The other roommate says she's done and she just wants me to bullshit an apology so we can get on with her lives. But I'm trying to teach her that not everyone has to take responsibility for her acting out. When she wants to come to me as an adult, we'll talk, but it's not eating me up inside that I'm getting the silent treatment. What is eating me up is that she's playing the victim and telling people I'm being an asshole to her.

>>38410745
This is basically how I feel. It's not that she's always an asshole, but she's such a know-it-all about everything except how not to fly off at the handle.

>>38410868

It's not that simple. She obviously has issues I've by now become very familiar with, because it's always the same fucking thing, but what you're doing here is transposing her issues into your own. It ceases to be Roomie with BPD/NPD (too soon to tell) and it becomes Dan's confirmation bias orgy.

You don't have anything to prove to her, Dan, neither does Hormonal. It's not about "showing how uncuckable" one is, especially since that's a fucking meme to begin with.

>>38410920

Then that's what it is. It'll become more obvious as you go.

>>38410947
>What is eating me up is that she's playing the victim and telling people I'm being an asshole to her.

Anyone worth their salt will be familiar with her bullshit. She isn't all that subtle. If others wonder, they'll ask you and you correct their version.

>>38410947
You'd be better off just not talking to her at all. And if she asks you to apologize, you don't.

>>38410957
You don't have anything to prove to her, but you must establish boundaries. If he backs up now, he fucked up. He should just ignore her, stop talking to her completely. Why do you even need to talk to your roommates?

>>38411004
>>38410957
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that we started off as good friends. But recently, I realized that our circle has fallen into the habit of letting her meltdown because it's worse when we try to call her out. But I've been getting tired of the disrespect, I pay rent just like everyone else.

As I mull this over, I'm starting to think that the silent treatment might even be right. I should just go in that living room unbothered and watch TV with them. If they ask me if I'm out there to say sorry, then I'll tell them that I have nothing to be sorry about, but I do want to move forward. If that causes another shitshow so be it, but at least it will be known that I'm not avoiding anyone while also staying true to myself.

So what are these painful games? I feel equal to the challenge, whatever it might be.

>>38411172
>letting her meltdown because it's worse when we try to call her out.

The best way to handle this is to very clearly state to her what you're not willing to accept and what the consequences will be. It can be simple: "When you start acting up and raising your voice and the rest, I will simply remove myself from the exchange until you are calm again. I do not accept being talked to this way, and I don't myself talk to you this way. It's only fair."

And then you stick to it. Remove yourself from the talk, go to your room, put earphones in your ear, etc.

It's very much like dealing with a child, because it essentially is.

>y, then I'll tell them that I have nothing to be sorry about,

Better yet, ask them what they want you to be sorry for, then argue the point. You did nothing wrong. A tone isn't a reason, especially when her tone was much worse. "My tone? What about yours?"

>>38411195

It's not like I have a whole army of them. I can make some shit up right now if you want. Give me a moment.

>>38411229
>Better yet, ask them what they want you to be sorry for, then argue the point.
Arguing with her obviously makes no sense. Some people can not and should not be reasoned with.

>>38411195

You wake up on a small island. There are no other people on it. What do you do?

>>38411254
>It's not like I have a whole army of them
My mistake. I thought they were just lying about, waiting to be tested.

>>38411258
>Arguing with her obviously makes no sense. Some people can not and should not be reasoned with.

If I had done that with you, you'd not be here today. Some people take hours and hours of arguing and then 10 months of thinking about it before coming back.

Some people are tricky motherfuckers. Do you realise you're a lot more like that crazy bitch than you think? She can be reasoned with, it's just way fucking harder than it should be.

>>38411266
Seek shelter.

>>38411267

I only have the white room and the island. And the baseball bat thing, but that's not really a test. It's an exercise.

We tried but it failed because you weren't in touch with your anger for your parents. That's actually where we should focus.

Maybe I can merge the island with this.

>>38411293

You find out the island is inhabited on both of its extremities. The island is longer than it's wide, like a long arm of land. Each end is controlled by a tribe, and each tribe is led by one of your parents. You've spotted this from a tall palm tree.

Which tribe do you seek shelter from?

>>38411292
Honestly you see a crazy bitch, I just see a bitch. You assume she is mentally ill, but she is just an entitled fucking cunt? Women can very often be like this.

Also as to thinking for 10 months, I didn't really come back because I was thinking. I came back because I've been noticing going downhill pretty steeply. Just to clarify.

>>38411331
The difficulty with this question is that Dad is basically totally different after his breakdown. So which one are we talking about?

>>38411384
>Honestly you see a crazy bitch, I just see a bitch. You assume she is mentally ill, but she is just an entitled fucking cunt? Women can very often be like this.

All right, Dan. We've come to an important fork in the road here. So listen carefully. I'm about to drop some dope ass knowledge on yo ass, my man.

You're doing what my parents did. Nobody had any "excuse" or reason to do anything. They completely denied the existence of any mental illness, dhort of being "crazy", which meant nothing. I once tried to tell my father about my panic attacks (literally a decade after I had them, during a conversation about someone else's panic attacks), and he just explained how, once, he went parachuting from a plane and how, despite a moment of fear, he jumped anyway. Of course, this is neither here nor there as a panic attack is not an adrenaline rush and the two aren't remotely comparable.

You see clear signs of someone suffering from either BPD or NPD (I lean more towards Borderline here but it's hard to tell without knowing more) and yet you dismiss it all to think she's just a bitch. Dan, nobody is just a bitch. Human beings never do anything without a reason.

People who are well in their minds are also people whose presence is great. There's never a dysfunction without a cause behind it.

For your confirmation bias, there's another woman in this situation, and she's just like Hormonal here, but she won't register on your radar because she doesn't fit the part you're interested in. You can't use her to argue your cause, so you don't mention her at all. You don't say, "Women can very often be like this," even though it's actually more true than what you said yourself. Most women don't have BPD.

The important part is that you refuse to imagine that there are reasons for her behaviour. Just as there are reasons for yours.

>>38411384

>I came back because I've been noticing going downhill pretty steeply. Just to clarify.

Which was good to do. But it took you getting worse to see things from another angle. Maybe the crazy bitch hasn't reached that point yet.

>>38411437
>Dad is basically totally different after his breakdown.

Tell me more about that. What was the breakdown and how did he change?

>>38411484
Prior to that he was at times cruel, forbidding, unloving. Malicious. Afterward he was weak, hunched-shouldered. Extremely liberal; apologetic.

>>38411616

What made him change?

>>38411475
Honestly I'm not sure if I'm following you here. Women in general tend to be controlling cunts who take advantage of the fact that they are socially protected, so they cannot be punched if they throw a shitfit.

I mean I get it, you think people are in general good and if they're cunts, it's because something is wrong with them. I don't think that's true.

You think it's a problem of the individual health, while I think it's a general problem where some people are valued more and their bullshit is tolerated. For example with women by cucked men who are aware that if they don't tolerate their bullshit, they will not have sex.

>>38411628
His marriage was going badly. The atmosphere was tense at best. My brother went into hospital for schizophrenia/ suicide attempt. I was starving. His youngest sons were badly autistic. He pursued an affair. His behaviour became ever-more erratic; he started hanging rats, and scarring worled patterns into his hands, attempting to conjure demons. Once it was all over, he was diminished.

>>38411697
>I'm not sure if I'm following you here.
Let me try and extract what i think Nick is saying.

A crazy woman is a crazy woman.
A woman can act like a bitch but there'd be some explanation why she acts like one.
If anyone, regardless of gender, decides to strangle a baby, that person is just terrible. Woman or otherwise.

>>38411697
>Women in general tend to be controlling cunts

That's a core belief, Dan. I have literally seen you discuss with one of the most empathic women I know of, also the kindest and most hard-working, and you treated her like a generic whore, so I am 100% certain that even if Mother Mary came to you, you'd consider her a controlling cunt too.

>so they cannot be punched if they throw a shitfit.

Nobody should be punched for that. Do you not know any other way to handle women?

>I mean I get it, you think people are in general good and if they're cunts, it's because something is wrong with them. I don't think that's true.

Then explain your own cunt behaviour. Is it because you're a natural cunt or is it because you have issues resulting from your past traumas? Were you born hating women or did this happen later, for "reasons"? You know the answer.

It's the same for other people.

>You think it's a problem of the individual health, while I think it's a general problem where some people are valued more and their bullshit is tolerated.

I see no reason to think the two can't coexist. Although I do think you're vastly exaggerating the societal issue here. What you imagine is a woman's experience of life is largely based on memes and not much based on what women shared with you, am I right?

>For example with women by cucked men who are aware that if they don't tolerate their bullshit, they will not have sex.

What? Any man who stays with a woman who uses sex to manipulate him has issues far greater than women.

This should be obvious to you.

>>38411698

Jesus Christ...

How does anyone get so fucked up? Do you have any idea what lurks in your father's past?

You were starving? Any connection to your overating nowadays?

What's with your family and conjuring demons?

>>38411820
>If anyone, regardless of gender, decides to strangle a baby, that person is just terrible. Woman or otherwise.

And there'll always be some kind of "reason" behind it, and usually, it's crazy, but it will make sense once we have all the pieces.

>schizo thought baby was the antichrist and believed she was saving the world by strangling the baby

Yeah, it's crazy, but provided she is telling the truth, you can't exactly call her evil. Intentions are important; of course, it changes nothing to the end result, but at least you get to realise people aren't just cunts in many cases.

It's more complicated for people who enjoy causing pain.

>>38411886
Well, what with the walled country home and the cellars and all the rest it was a pretty Lovecraftian setup.

I was starving on purpose since that was, at the time, the best control over my life I could find. My mother was anorexic so I suppose I learned it from her.

>>38411863
>I have literally seen you discuss with one of the most empathic women I know of, also the kindest and most hard-working, and you treated her like a generic whore, so I am 100% certain that even if Mother Mary came to you, you'd consider her a controlling cunt too.
The point is, all women are like that on the inside.

>Nobody should be punched for that. Do you not know any other way to handle women?
By not talking to them. Point is, women will often escalate into physical violence knowing they can not be punched back.

>It's the same for other people.
So you think there can not be people who are acting like cunts for personal benefit because the system enables them to do it?

>What you imagine is a woman's experience of life is largely based on memes and not much based on what women shared with you, am I right?
Not really. I'm going by the general things. Being an attractive woman is the best once can have in life.

>What? Any man who stays with a woman who uses sex to manipulate him has issues far greater than women.
All women do that (the ones who are with men anyways). They mask it as compromise, but it's nothing else than manipulation.

>>38411993

Was there ever a family more fucked than yours? You should study screenwriting and write a series about your family.

Fucked Up in England

In between scenes, you'd sometimes have some old ass comfy therapist explaining what's going on. It'd be a combination of horror, comedy, and psychiatry, and drama.

And I'd probably never watch it.

>>38412051
>Was there ever a family more fucked than yours?
I've heard similar sentiments in the past.

As to the rest, I believe I sent you a monologue script that touches on all of this.

>>38412009
>The point is, all women are like that on the inside.

The point is, you have a core belief that you want to defend. No, Dan, not all women are like that on the inside. Here's what you're doing:

1. if a woman fits my fears: it's the truth, it confirms my beliefs

2. if a woman doesn't fit my fears: she's hiding it well! But I won't be fooled! Ah!

There's no way out of your bullshit. Think of the scientific method: if it's not falsifiable, it needs to go fuck itself. If you can't prove it wrong, it is bullshit. You are a rational person, think about it. You know the scientific method, I assume. You know that a model should be able to predict things, and you can test it in accordance to that.

Your hypothesis here cannot be tested. Whatever happens, you always conclude that women are cunts. There are obvious cunts and then there are cunts who hide it.

It is bullshit.

>>38412009
>Point is, women will often escalate into physical violence knowing they can not be punched back.

Except that's wrong. Do you need stats on women getting punched back? I can use my mother's example. She got punched, strangled, and got a few ribs broken because she refused to deliver sex, so she was beaten for it and raped. What were you saying about women?

Waiting for your take on that.

>>38412009
>women will often escalate into physical violence knowing they can not be punched back.
What kind of fucked up statment is this yo have you never seen photos of women being punched? Have you been on the internet?

>>38412009
>So you think there can not be people who are acting like cunts for personal benefit because the system enables them to do it?

I don't think acting like a cunt is such a benefit as you imagine. Nobody likes a cunt, it always backfires, even if it takes some time.

>Not really. I'm going by the general things. Being an attractive woman is the best once can have in life.

Eh? What are "the general things", you mean memes on a Chinese thumbnail bulletin board?

Being an attractive woman doesn't do much. But please elaborate what you think it does. I know you aren't friends with an attractive woman. I am, and I don't see how it benefitted them in any particular way. But enlighten me.

>They mask it as compromise, but it's nothing else than manipulation.

And you know this how? It's like Coats, you both talk shitloads about things you've never even experienced. As a seasoned relationship person, I wouldn't give you much credit for any of that considering you've never been in a relationship. And I know some things you'll never experience outside of a relationship. Where does all that knowledge come from, Dan?

It's obvious you have some neurotic thinking about women, but it's crazy that you don't see it better.

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>>38410159
Sounds like a really nice thing and ill'keep it in mind, but if i do ill'feel kinda gay and may cringe a lot.

Thing is, when you have only one meaningful human contact you don't wanna risk losing it, and if you have been a lobe wolf(cool way of saying nerd) your whole life you don'know what upsets people and how they may react to things. It's not about "just do it" because if something goes wrong i will continue living completely isolated again, with no hope to meet anyone else.

>>38412117
You know enough about debate to know that your anecdotal, extremely dysfunctional example doesn't mean a lot. Broadly speaking, women who dish it out should be able to take it.

I've got your back Dan

>>38412098
Why does it have to be scientific? Not everything can be explained or modeled in this way.

>>38412117
Your mother is irrelevant. Point is in an argument woman will often slap the guy (especially if there are other people around) knowing she can not be punched back, because then the other people would jump on the male who punched her.

>>38412068
>As to the rest, I believe I sent you a monologue script that touches on all of this.

I'll have to look into it.

>>38412147

>fucked up

Since this is a response to Dan, I actually read it as "cucked up".

>>38412147
Point is more often than not they don't get punched back. If they do, they always seem very surprised. That alone proves my point.

>>38412171
>I don't think acting like a cunt is such a benefit as you imagine. Nobody likes a cunt, it always backfires, even if it takes some time.
Except if she's attractive, it doesn't backfire. It's tolerated.

>I know you aren't friends with an attractive woman. I am, and I don't see how it benefitted them in any particular way.
If you really mean this, let's just end this conversation now. Talking to someone who doesn't believe being an attractive woman has any benefits is useless.

>>38412178

How would caring about someone go wrong? Even if you did poorly, it'd still be out of concern. People liked to be cared about. Awkwardly often makes it even better because people realise it cost you to try, and that you tried despite not feeling good at it.

Imagine if a kid saw you crying, and he drew some shit ass portrait of you to cheer you up. He comes to you and says, "Sir, I made you a drawing so you feel better. It's you." And the drawing has this ridiculous version of you, all stick limgs, green hair, asymmetrical face, one arm is longer than the other, and one foot is missing. How do you feel about that? You cry because it's so fucking touching.

>>38412183
>You know enough about debate to know that your anecdotal, extremely dysfunctional example doesn't mean a lot.

I know enough to know the actual definition of the anecdotal fallacy. It's when you focus on one story that goes counter to the mainstream evidence as if it meant anything. It doesn't apply to every situation.

Here, to suggest that I'm going for the anecdotal fallacy, you'd have to argue that women getting physically assaulted by men is a rare thing. Good luck with that. All the stats on it aren't anecdotal; I use an example I know first hand, but that doesn't cancel public stats which you can check all you want.

Anecdotal evidence as fallacy is something like "Yes, my grandfather smoked all his life and never got cancer from it, so smoking is fine and doesn't cause cancer." That's anecdotal evidence. I didn't use mine to prove that women suffered physical abuse from men, since I assume that's beyond doubt for anyone here.

When women are fucked, they slam doors, scream, etc, but when men are fucked up, being stronger, they can attack others. The "crazy bitch" in this case knows she isn't strong enough to attack anon, but if she were a man, she might.

My example stands. Dan has yet to explain the occurrence of such a case in his model of reality. He knows very little of women's experience.

>women who dish it out should be able to take it.

Dish out what? Let's stick with my example, so it'll make more sense.

What did my mother dish out, that she no longer wanted to be used for sex? How does that warrant getting beaten and raped?

>>38412249
>If they do, they always seem very surprised

"Men do not always seem very surprised when they get punched in the face."
T/F?

Is this statement true or false? Pick only one.

>>38412215
>Why does it have to be scientific? Not everything can be explained or modeled in this way.

Spare me your bullshit. You sound like a creationist piece of shit who ran out of arguments. If there's any worth to your model, it can sustain the scientific method's principles. They're simple and easy. And I explained why you had to: it's because, if you don't, then anyone can believe any kind of bullshit they want.

>Your mother is irrelevant.

Let's see: you explain that women can and will escalate issues because they know they can't be punched back. I give you an example where the opposite happens and a woman actually gets punched, not even "back". How is this irrelevant?

>Point is in an argument woman will often slap the guy (especially if there are other people around) knowing she can not be punched back,

Self-defence does involve the principle of reciprocity, you can't "self-defend" with much more than was given to you. You can't punch a woman who slaps you, but you can slap back.

>because then the other people would jump on the male who punched her.

Considering a man can kill a woman (or another man) with a punch, of course. Nobody wants to die.

You need to defend your model more, because right now it's pure bullshit.

>>38412330
>Dish out what?
Violence. Throw a punch, take a punch. Never mind about rape.

>>38412249
>Point is more often than not they don't get punched back.

How often have you been physically attacked by a woman?

>Except if she's attractive, it doesn't backfire. It's tolerated.

In reality, it makes it worse. Attractive women automatically attract the dislike of other women. So if shit goes down, her beauty will work against her if she's a cunt.

>If you really mean this, let's just end this conversation now. Talking to someone who doesn't believe being an attractive woman has any benefits is useless.

You weren't saying "any benefits". Don't pussy out like a gutless child. What's the benefit of being an attractive woman? Come on, spell it out, or do you not even know what you believe anymore?

>>38412368
Men who clap their lips and insult someone wouldn't be surprised to get punched. If anything myself I'd expect it.

>>38412380
>How is this irrelevant?
It's an isolated incident.

>Self-defence does involve the principle of reciprocity, you can't "self-defend" with much more than was given to you. You can't punch a woman who slaps you, but you can slap back.
Even if you slap her back, you're likely gonna get fucked up by the men who see this. Have you never been around people?

>>38412390
>Violence. Throw a punch, take a punch. Never mind about rape.

My mother merely asked not to be in the "relationship" she thought she was in. (I know from her words that she was only being used like a dich sheath, but even decades later, she can't seem to admit this to herself; it's fucking sad.)

Nobody talked about women punching men, read what Dan wrote. He thinks punching a woman who slapped you is appropriate. I doubt he ever got slapped by a woman, actually.

>>38412407
>How often have you been physically attacked by a woman?
Only when I was young. And now I just don't talk to women if they start getting emotional and argue about something. I just tell them that they can say whatever they want, but I'm still right. Then they usually start insulting/belittling me, to which I don't react. If I did react, you can bet she would slap me very soon.

>In reality, it makes it worse. Attractive women automatically attract the dislike of other women. So if shit goes down, her beauty will work against her if she's a cunt.
Sure. And being to get a job very easily even if you know absolutely nothing doesn't matter, right? Hell if they play their cards right, they can find a guy who will support them and they won't work. Women often do that, hell many outright say they expect it. Attractive women often try to use their sex appeal to get what they want through manipulation, ugly women mostly don't have the chance.

>>38412444
>It's an isolated incident.

Every rape is an isolated incident. Every man who gets abused by a woman is an isolated incident. What's your point? Unless you mean a rare incident, in which case you're wrong.

You've seen the number of men in these threads who would rape women given the chance, or men who DID rape women, even. Look at the stats, violence against women isn't rare.

>Even if you slap her back, you're likely gonna get fucked up by the men who see this.

That's out of your ass. There have been rapes committed in front of others and nobody moved. Are you taking this shit from Jersey Shore or something?

Besides, if you can't prevent a woman from slapping you, I don't recommend getting into any kind of fight at all. Men who get slapped generally accept it before contact is made. I'd take it, personally, even, especially, if it's not deserved.

I don't think you understand how people work, even if you're around some, sometimes.

>>38412491
>Only when I was young.

Women, not children.

> I just tell them that they can say whatever they want, but I'm still right.

Since when am I woman?

>Then they usually start insulting/belittling me, to which I don't react. If I did react, you can bet she would slap me very soon.

You just pussy out of arguments with women as well. The idea that they'd slap you is just in your head, obviously.

Bottom line: no woman has ever slapped you.

Have you even witnessed a woman slapping a man with your own eyes, then?

>And being to get a job very easily even if you know absolutely nothing doesn't matter, right?

That doesn't happen outside of your mind, either. You're probably massively upset that some women both look good and have skills.

>>38412511
>Look at the stats, violence against women isn't rare.
And yet men are the most common victims of violent crime.

>That's out of your ass. There have been rapes committed in front of others and nobody moved. Are you taking this shit from Jersey Shore or something?
No. But if a woman is attacked (even if she deserves it) many men will jump at the chance to help her.

>Besides, if you can't prevent a woman from slapping you, I don't recommend getting into any kind of fight at all.
Yeah because the element of surprise does not exist.

Also my captcha was selecting coats. None of them was winter though.

>>38412491
>Attractive women often try to use their sex appeal to get what they want through manipulation
Nick, i suggest from now on, every time claims like this are made, they should be backed up with actual statistics. Or the point should be dismissed and ignored.

>>38412543
>You just pussy out of arguments with women as well.
Yeah I "pussy" out because it's not a fair fight. They will insult, they will use their social leverage, they will try to belittle, shame. It's just not worth arguing with them. Point is, if I continue arguing with them, I start insulting them harshly, to which they react aggressively, even though they started it. But in their mind, they are on the "winning" side, because the opinion they have usually aligns with the opinion of the general population, so they will go much further. Basically when arguing against an unpopular opinion, people (not just women) will not argue fairly.

>Bottom line: no woman has ever slapped you.
You're wrong.

>Have you even witnessed a woman slapping a man with your own eyes, then?
Yes I have. Besides that's not even important.

>You're probably massively upset that some women both look good and have skills.
Yes I am. They had all the advantages and the good starting position, while I did not. Bitches deserve to die. I'm upset because they got things handed to them and they have the audacity to pretend how hard work was the most important thing in getting it.

>>38412563
If you really want statistics on something like this (which is impossible because bitches don't like to admit this), you're a fucking retard.

>>38407284
Hey, Nick. I hope you're having a great day. Lately, I've been dealing with the fear of initiating conversations - I wouldn't say it's full blown social anxiety but it's a very bad fear of disturbing people. This weird fear of mine gets worse whenever I try talking to someone I care about like my oneitis. I often ask myself if I'm gonna disturb them or what not, despite the fact that I know I'm not nearly as annoying as I think. It's gotten to the point where I haven't talked to people online in weeks.

What cab I do?

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>>38412549
>And yet men are the most common victims of violent crime.

Irrelevant. While that may be true, if we no longer focus on domestic violence, it brings absolutely nothing to the argument. It's like me saying my car is a sort of blue.

>>38412640
You don't want to listen to logic
You insist you are right even when you yourself you know you aren't right but you have to keep justifying and defending your incorrectness

Why so stubborn bae?

>>38412549
>But if a woman is attacked (even if she deserves it) many men will jump at the chance to help her.

How do you deserve being attacked? Not saying there can't be such a case, but in your mind, what is it?

Men naturally protect women because they are stronger. That is what you would do too if you weren't such a beta. You never know what happens during a fight, so, in doubt, you protect the weaker one, because the man won't need protection and is less likely to die from a broken neck following a punch. That should be obvious.

>Yeah because the element of surprise does not exist.

It's a slap. It's literally nothing if you're an adult. I got slapped the hardest you could humanly be slapped, and honestly, if a woman feels this strongly about you, you're better off accepting the slap than not. I doubt you'd get slapped for no reason. It's not a small gesture. You think women would slap you for arguing with them... That's not why women slap men sometimes.

>>38412650
Do you know that men are very commonly also victims of domestic violence? It's actually quite balanced (women are often the perpetrators), only no one gives a shit though, because it's about men.

Same with the alarming male/female suicide ratios. No one gives a shit.

>>38412684
But I am right though. Women do this very often in one way or another. You just wanna be blind to the truth.

>How do you deserve being attacked? Not saying there can't be such a case, but in your mind, what is it?
An argument, woman escalates and starts insulting you, you insult her back, she attacks, you retaliate, you get your ass kicked by white knights who come to "help".

>You never know what happens during a fight, so, in doubt, you protect the weaker one, because the man won't need protection and is less likely to die from a broken neck following a punch.
Then maybe she should think fucking twice before slapping someone.

>It's a slap. It's literally nothing if you're an adult.
It's humiliation. It gives her the sense of satistifaction that she shut you up and won the argument. It raises her confidence and makes her think she's got the high-ground. It's anything but "just a slap".

>>38412620
>Yeah I "pussy" out because it's not a fair fight. They will insult, they will use their social leverage, they will try to belittle, shame.

And you should be able to argue against that. It's not hard. Don't be a pansy ass btard who just says "AD HOMINEM" like it's a magic spell to stop shitty arguments: actually explain that calling you this and that doesn't prove you wrong. Argue! Be smart. Nobody can belittle you without your agreement.

>I start insulting them harshly,

That's where you're a weakling. You start farting around and being a pussy who suck the ad hominem cock as hard as they do. The moment you do this, you lose credibility. That's also when you deserve to be slapped, by the way. Insult a woman and don't be surprised if you get slapped. Yes, you might be judged on a harsher standard, but do realise that the real insult is to them, not you. If you're expected to act better, it's also because you're expected to be better. I won't argue the sexism in this, but if you want to see sexism everywhere, look at it here as well.

>But in their mind, they are on the "winning" side, because the opinion they have usually aligns with the opinion of the general population,

Out of nowhere. Completely abstract nonsense about nothing. If you're going to argue this, use an actual example.

>people (not just women) will not argue fairly.

Arguing unfairly should result in losing the argument. You used to be all about the fallacies (which you understood nothing of and kept using wrongly to justify your BS), and now you don't know them anymore? Is any woman stronger than you at rhetoric? Can you not defend yourself?

>>38412620
>You're wrong.

That's a story I want to hear.

>Yes I have. Besides that's not even important.

That's two stories I want to hear.

>Yes I am. They had all the advantages and the good starting position, while I did not. Bitches deserve to die.

Let me get this straight: you being envious of others makes them deserve to die? Think about it.

>audacity to pretend how hard work was the most important thing in getting it.

What if it's true? Because it is, you know. You don't get to have anything without working very, very hard in 99% of cases. You're probably willfully ignorant of the work involved in being a model, right? I'm not even sure you could do it yourself, even if you were born with muh genetics.

>>38412647
>Hey, Nick. I hope you're having a great day.

Sorry about that.

You should look into people-pleaser stuff. You may have parents who valued you more on what you did than who you were, and who taught you, unconsciously, to do things to be liked, instead of being yourself and being liked for who you were.

>>38412859
I'm not really sure about that. I'm just scared that they might have more important things to do (which we both know isn't true), or that they might not enjoy my company. Should I just go with it and see if they dislike it along the way? I just need some help to fight this fear off. I wasn't like that.

>>38412812
>Argue! Be smart. Nobody can belittle you without your agreement.
Have you ever been around people? No one gives a shit about your "arguments". An argument in social setting is not about the truth, it's about insulting the other person, it's essentially a social fight. Doesn't matter if you're right. If you're not popular in the group, they will just keep insulting you to make the group laugh and you can be as right as you want.

>That's where you're a weakling.
Yeah because a strong person just lets themselves be insulted and humiliated.

>The moment you do this, you lose credibility.
Wrong. Your credibility is decided before you even start arguing by the social standing of the person you're arguing against.

>That's also when you deserve to be slapped, by the way. Insult a woman and don't be surprised if you get slapped.
And if I slapped her for insulting me? I can't believe you're being such a fucking retard right now.

>Yes, you might be judged on a harsher standard, but do realise that the real insult is to them, not you.
Except it's not. The insult raises their social standing, raises their confidence, it's not an insult to them.

>Out of nowhere. Completely abstract nonsense about nothing. If you're going to argue this, use an actual example.
Well for example most population believe the bullshit about hard work, if I were to argue for how important genes are, I'd be instantly disadvantaged.

>Arguing unfairly should result in losing the argument.
Do you even leave the house? It's not about the truth, it's not about winning or losing the argument, it's about social leverage.

>Is any woman stronger than you at rhetoric? Can you not defend yourself?
I can not because like you often do, they will start with shaming, insults and there is no defence.

>>38412731
>Do you know that men are very commonly also victims of domestic violence?

Not very commonly, no. But I know it happens, of course. If you're thinking of specific stats, please share. Most men don't report it so it's underreported, just like women's domestic abuse. The vast majority don't report it, so we never know exactly just how much of it happens, but a lot, judging from the ones who do report it.

>It's actually quite balanced (women are often the perpetrators), only no one gives a shit though, because it's about men.

That's because people don't understand that it's not merely a matter of physical strength. It's more about men who accept being treated like shit, and that is very much the same as women who accept the same treatment. It's always a question of personal boundaries.

There are a lot of people who care about those things. You say you care, so tell me exactly how that care translates into action? And if it doesn't, how do you know most other people don't do the same as you do, which is nothing?

Have you given money to an association to help men who suffer from abuse at home?

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>>38412251
>how could caring about someone go wrong?
Heh,good question. I just always had this kind of mentality that "everything either works perfectly or it does not work at all" for many aspects of my life, including but not limited to school and work. Now that you make me think about it it has been a major hindrance in my ability to enjoy living, having this mentality put a huge amount of stress on me since ever.

I get your example, but AKCHUALLY its a kid so you don't expect a lot from him hurr durr

>>38412838
>Let me get this straight: you being envious of others makes them deserve to die? Think about it.
Being more lucky than me is what makes them deserve to die.

>Because it is, you know. You don't get to have anything without working very, very hard in 99% of cases.
And if you work hard without the good starting position, you will get less. Much less. I know there is work involved, but it's not the important thing. When you have two conditions, one which you can fulfill (hard work) and another one which is completely arbitrary (genes) it's obvious which is more important.

>>38412784
>you insult her back,

And that's why you're a virgin, basically. Women 101, you don't just stupidly do what she does, are you a monkey?

Besides, you got it wrong. You're acting like those same white knights and other male feminists. You act like women and men are the same. Look here, if you strike back, it's not the same, because you're way stronger, so the blow she'll receive will not be the same. The retaliation isn't comparable.

You should enjoy this established superiority instead of whining about it like an MRA fanboy. Society literally tells you you're superior and instead of owning up to it, you start crying about how it's unfair that you're expected to act like a superior person.

You people are funny with your sexism issues when you never see it where it really is. Keks were had.

>>38412925
>Not very commonly, no.
You're very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

>Have you given money to an association to help men who suffer from abuse at home?
That wouldn't help. It's the women who are the problem.

>>38412969
>And that's why you're a virgin, basically.
Fuck you, Nick. You're just like them. Exactly like fucking them.

FUCK YOU!

>>38412784
>Then maybe she should think fucking twice before slapping someone.

Do you want to be a man or a little boy? Are you really that scared of slaps? From women?

>It's humiliation.

Is it? I wouldn't feel humiliated at all. Han Solo gets slapped by princesses. Do you think he felt humiliated? No. It means you've done something this woman thinks was inappropriate. She may be right or wrong. You'd humiliate yourself way more by reacting like a little bitch, you know?

>It gives her the sense of satistifaction that she shut you up and won the argument. It raises her confidence and makes her think she's got the high-ground. It's anything but "just a slap".

This isn't how women who give slaps feel after slapping someone. This normally happens when they lose control and get pissed off. Usually, they'll be embarrassed by their own behaviour and will feel like shit for it. Getting slapped more often than not gives you a higher place in the dynamics of things, provided you don't start whining like a baby that your rights were infringed.

Men and women of this generation, pure fucking cringe on both sides. Send me back to the 50's, someone, please. I want to smoke cigarettes in cool bars with adults.

>>38412969
How about pepper spray? Say I could take a woman's head off. Pepper spray will only cause extreme pain but injury is unlikely. Voila, we're on an even keel again.

>>38412907

Focus on this: people who give themselves no value are absolutely annoying, because they passively imply that you don't like them. Everyone hates this.

It's like saying:

"I have no value, but I will take your time, though I feel bad about it, but I still assume I should."

It's like being told everyone's worthless. What you should do is give yourself your correct value, realise that people LIKE you and they don't mind your presence. They most likely enjoy it and are happy to see you. So own up to that and rock on.

People like being liked, people like attention, and yes, that includes YOURS. Give that shit, brother, distribute the love and let the ride never end.

>>38412924
>Have you ever been around people? No one gives a shit about your "arguments".

No, that's just you. You're the only one who literally goes "No, logic no longer matters; fuck the scientific method, it doesn't apply to what I'm talking about!" Just you. Not even the craziest bitch I know argues like that.

> An argument in social setting is not about the truth, it's about insulting the other person, it's essentially a social fight.

No wonder you're shit at those. You're a lightweight at debate in person if you think people don't care about logic and facts.

I bet you thought school bullying was a debate club, and that you haven't been in one of those as an adult. Stop bullshitting me, it's tiring.

>>38413038
>Do you want to be a man or a little boy? Are you really that scared of slaps? From women?
She has no right to slap me. You're acting like a woman right now.

>It means you've done something this woman thinks was inappropriate. She may be right or wrong. You'd humiliate yourself way more by reacting like a little bitch, you know?
And this is acceptable to you? That women can physically attack you if they think you did something inappropriate? Why should they have this power? It's none of their business! I actually saw something similar today, basically there was a fight and one woman started being all sarcastic about how someone should help him and implied it was supposed to be the men. I told her to go help him herself if she wants to. It was disgusting, she was trying to manipulate men because in her eyes we saw something she thought was not appropriate (not getting into a fight that has nothing to do with us). Bitches deserve to die for being like this.

Women are not the arbiters of what is appropriate and they do not have the right to punish men physically for not acting how they would want them to. If you give women this right, you're a dirty cuck.

>>38412924
>Yeah because a strong person just lets themselves be insulted and humiliated.

Only a child feels humiliated by a woman slapping him.

> Your credibility is decided before you even start arguing by the social standing of the person you're arguing against.

You like to think that so it's not your fault what people think of you. Spare me. You're shit at socialising and gaining people's respect. I've seen you at work and you can't even win the respect of people who WANT to help you. So imagine people who don't.

>And if I slapped her for insulting me? I can't believe you're being such a fucking retard right now.

It all depends on context, but slapping a woman is very low, even for an insult. It'd have to be a damn serious insult and it'd have to be from your wife, and even then, if you have any self-respect, you don't do it. How do you respect yourself after slapping a woman?

The hilarious part in this shit is that you feel fine slapping women because you seem to think they're just like you, whereas I make a huge difference between women and me, and that's why I don't apply retarded symmetries all the time.

>>38413115
You're wrong. Once again. Also I said something that is rather obvious.

They don't care about facts and logic. They care about social standing. A simple mind exercise, imagine if this debate was happening in real life, but in your place was a homeless man arguing your points. Do you think people would take him seriously?

Pretty much you're completely wrong.

>>38412924
>Except it's not. The insult raises their social standing, raises their confidence, it's not an insult to them.

How does an insult raise anyone's social standing? What the fuck are you on about, mate? Do you think my social standing goes up if I call you a bitch? How?

>Well for example most population believe the bullshit about hard work, if I were to argue for how important genes are, I'd be instantly disadvantaged.

Yes, because you'd be wrong and couldn't even back it up. If you argue the earth is flat, you'll be at a disadvantage too, because most people won't believe you and you'll have no fucking arguments for it.

Yes, amazing news: being wrong puts you at a disadvantage in an argument.

Haver you ever imagined you may actually be wrong, Dan?

>>38413160
>Only a child feels humiliated by a woman slapping him.
Only a retard doesn't.

>I've seen you at work and you can't even win the respect of people who WANT to help you. So imagine people who don't.
I don't give a shit about your respect. Or anyone elses for that matter.

>How do you respect yourself after slapping a woman?
Easily. I believe in gender equality.

>>38412924
>Do you even leave the house? It's not about the truth, it's not about winning or losing the argument, it's about social leverage.

Yes, and when I argue, I win. My social leverage goes up because I use arguments that people can understand without having to like me or find me attractive. If my opponent has no arguments, it won't matter how good they look.

I've slaughtered many people, even back to my uni days, with good arguments. I've fucking annhiliated human beings with logic and facts, and heard their defeated silence.

You're making excuses for yourself because the truth is that you're shit at arguing, because you don't use logic, you use your fucking emotions as if it mattered in an argument.

I know you, Dan, I've practiced your ass over a year ago and I know exactly how you argue and how you receive someone arguing with you. You got better at it because the way you behave is very much like a Borderline bitch losing her shit. You're very much a male version of a crazy bitch, Dan.

>>38413194
>Do you think my social standing goes up if I call you a bitch? How?
You're a retard if you don't understand this. Insulting someone in a social setting shows dominance. Chads will often insult inferiors (and even more often they will try to play it down as "playful teasing").

>Yes, amazing news: being wrong puts you at a disadvantage in an argument.
Point is, I'm not wrong. I just don't agree with their retarded opinion that is the majority.

>>38412924
>I can not because like you often do, they will start with shaming, insults and there is no defence.

Uh? You think I'm shaming you? You shame yourself. Besides, there are easy defenses against shaming and insults. They're not even proper attacks. All you have to do is point out that they're not arguments.

Again, it's like you're stuck in middle school and have no references beyond getting bullied during recess.

Women aren't little girls and you're a fucking adult, Dan. You're not a child anymore.

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>>38412956
>"everything either works perfectly or it does not work at all" for many aspects of my life, including but not limited to school and work.

Usually a way to give up on things while feeling justified. It's a defense mechanism, but it's bullshit.

>a kid so you don't expect a lot from him hurr durr

And that's why you're touched. You don't expect him to draw well, sure, but you also don't expect him to care for you.

>>38413237
If you wanna believe it's about logic and facts, whatever. You're wrong though.

I am losing my shit because you're being a fucking retard.

>>38412958
>Being more lucky than me is what makes them deserve to die.

Explain that. If someone is luckier than someone else, how do they deserve to die, since they didn't do anything?

Don't you agree that being luckier, or less lucky, is not earned? If it's not earned, then there's no merit, and if there's no merit, then they don't deserve any special treatment for being lucky, right?

How do you justify this?

If you got lucky, would you deserve to die? But how does that work if you just got lucky and had nothing to do with it? Can people be punished for things they had no control over?

Ooops, Danny boy, right in the feels.

>>38413265
>Uh? You think I'm shaming you? You shame yourself.
Typical normie tactic.

>>38412958
>And if you work hard without the good starting position, you will get less.

More core beliefs you use to justify not trying and being envious of others.

Name some jobs where you can succeed, and I guarantee work will be the defining factor, not luck or looks.

The world isn't some fashion house where you're hired based on looks.

>>38413346
It's easy, Nick. People born lucky have been enjoying perks unfairly. People who have been born unlucky were being shat on. It's nothing more than revenge. Paying the debt.

If inferior people can be treated poorly for things out of their control, the same thing can (and should) happen to lucky people.

>>38412990
>That wouldn't help. It's the women who are the problem.

So how do YOU help, then?

>Women aren't little girls and you're a fucking adult, Dan. You're not a child anymore.
Yet you seem to advocate infantilising them and allowing them to act without consequence. A woman can physically hurt you, just as much as a skinny or weak man can. Which is to say, a surprising amount. If a woman slaps you full force intending to do maximum harm, why should you pull your own blow? Intent.

>>38413377
>The world isn't some fashion house where you're hired based on looks.
Looks play a huge role in many parts of life. They give you better social skills, more confidence. Looks are extremely important.

>>38412990

>More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals

Another lesson in logic for you, my boy, so pay close attention.

I said that it didn't happen very commonly. You retort that that 40% or more of domestic violence was done against males, by women. Without looking into whether that's true or false, you need to understand that even if 100% of domestic violence was done against men, it wouldn't make it "very common".

It's not 40% of all men, it's 40% of domestic abuse cases that get reported.

But even if it was very commonly done, I wasn't arguing anything with this, just that I don't think it's all that common.

>>38413388
Show them just what women really are so they can keep away from them.

>>38410972
Well, I mostly want to confirm it before anything else.

>>38413012

I'm only highlighting the fact that you're acting like a child and that women don't want to be in a relationship with a child.

How do you hope to attract a woman with the shit that's coming out of your mouth? Even my own dick sews itself shut when you say this crap. It's a total pussy repellent. If you want a woman's attention, you have to be a man. It's that simple.

You're not behaving like a man, but like a boy.

>inb4 muh Nick is shaming me

>>38413012
>Fuck you, Nick. You're just like them. Exactly like fucking them.

I agree with the last part, though, I am, sometimes, fucking them.

>>38413449
Obviously I meant out of domestic violence cases. It's false that women are the victims of domestic violence much often. That's the point I was trying to get across.

>>38413480
You are shaming me though. And also you're using the pussy blackmail which is hillarious considering you're a man.

Just because women won't sleep with me because of what I'm saying doesn't make it wrong. It just means it's something that women really don't like to hear.

>I agree with the last part, though, I am, sometimes, fucking them.
Yeah no fucking shit. You got lucky you fucking piece of shit.

>>38413053
>Say I could take a woman's head off.

Say whaaa...

>Pepper spray will only cause extreme pain but injury is unlikely. Voila, we're on an even keel again.

How scared of women are you to consider pepper spraying one?

Besides, you only have one woman to fear.

>>38413546
>Say whaaa..
We're talking about the disparity in the amount of damage I could cause. Thus, I'm saying pepper spray takes physical strength out of the equation since we've decided that isn't fair like the marxists we're pretending to be, so I've given myself a handicap where I can still cause pain without injury.

>>38413132
>She has no right to slap me. You're acting like a woman right now.

According to you, if I acted like a woman, I would be insulting you so you insult me back, so I can slap you. I'm not doing that. I'm using logic and facts and I value logic and facts in your argumentation. When you use them. Which is rarely.

I am dead serious about the man/little boy thing, I'm not using that to coerce you into anything. If women told you not to act like a child, for the same reasons I'm using now, I'm afraid they were correct and you should listen to them because an intelligent woman is the best thing in the world.

>And this is acceptable to you?

Yes, it is. I'm a man, I can take it. It won't hurt much and those things happen.

> That women can physically attack you if they think you did something inappropriate?

Yes, it shows me she cares quite a bit. So I'll talk it out with her and we can solve our issues.

>Why should they have this power?

Slapping people isn't a power. Anyone can do it, but it makes you look bad.

>I told her to go help him herself if she wants to. It was disgusting,

Help him do what exactly?

>>38413546
>Besides, you only have one woman to fear.

Nah, there are a few. I've made some enemies.

>>38413175
>You're wrong. Once again. Also I said something that is rather obvious.

I'm amazed by the potency of this argument. In fact, I don't even know which point you're talking about here, or why I'm wrong. You're not even trying to convince me at this point.

>They don't care about facts and logic.

Oh, and because they don't care, that means you too must abandon logic and facts? That makes no sense. Look at me, I spend my time arguing with people who believe crazy shit and won't admit they're wrong, do I give up on logic because of that? No.

> A simple mind exercise, imagine if this debate was happening in real life, but in your place was a homeless man arguing your points. Do you think people would take him seriously?

Yes, what's being homeless have to do with anything here?

You're projecting your own shallowness on women and "white knights".

You're the asshole who wouldn't listen to a man because he has no money.

You're a shameless motherfucker, Dan.

>>38413615
>Slapping people isn't a power. Anyone can do it, but it makes you look bad.
It's a power to humiliate them and to make them do what you want.

>If women told you not to act like a child, for the same reasons I'm using now, I'm afraid they were correct and you should listen to them because an intelligent woman is the best thing in the world.
If she did that I'd just laugh at her for trying to shame me into conformance.

>Help him do what exactly?
Well to fight the other guys. Basically a guy got into a fight, woman tried to pressure other guys to help him (she wasn't in any way related to him) by shaming. Bitch. Fucking bitch.

>>38413218
>I don't give a shit about your respect. Or anyone elses for that matter.

That's part of the problem. People would respect you if you respected them, or even cared to earn their respect. I think that's a word you hate. Earn. You don't like earning, you like being lucky and are upset when you think you weren't.

The best things in life are earned. Getting lucky doesn't feel great. Earning what you work for, however, does.

>Easily. I believe in gender equality.

Then we've come full circle and you're no better than a feminazi or a tumblrina.

>>38413662
>Oh, and because they don't care, that means you too must abandon logic and facts? That makes no sense.
It means I ignore them and do whatever I want.

>You're the asshole who wouldn't listen to a man because he has no money.
And once again you try to shift all the blame even though I am right. You're fucking hilarious.

>>38413250
>Insulting someone in a social setting shows dominance.

Only if it's enough to make you stop arguing seriously. In that case, yes, you were dominated like a bitch. You're blaming others for your own reaction afterwards.

I'm not sure what kind of pussy you are offline, but I find this hard to believe. I've never had an adult insult me in a social context, and those who came close to it had serious problems with me afterwards. Maybe you're not good at being taken seriously, which wouldn't surprise me considering your communication style.

You're too fucking edgy to get serious respect, Dan. You're going to have to do much better than that to improve socially.

>Point is, I'm not wrong.

You are wrong. If you can't back it up and if you can't make your model falsifiable, you're wrong.

>>38413695
I don't have a problem with earning things, I do however have a problem with having to work much harder to earn some things because of something completely arbitrary. To which you will obviously respond
>Then you hate earning things.

>The best things in life are earned. Getting lucky doesn't feel great. Earning what you work for, however, does.
Yeah I'm pretty sure all the trust fund kiddies would agree with you. I mean sure, they get their luxury, beautiful women and yachts, but it doesn't feel good at all compared to next to nothing someone else has that he worked for. Do you even listen yourself?

>Then we've come full circle and you're no better than a feminazi or a tumblrina.
How so? Women are equal, so they can be punched like men. Well that's how it should be.

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>>38413318
>Usually a way to give up on things while feeling justified
This is really intriguing.
I am not exactly the kind who surrenders on things. At school i was just above average despite dedicating all my time to it (which now i know is fine, since in my country school is retarded) but i pulled trough everything including uni. And i started uni with a loan, this is where the "failure is not an option" meme started for me.
This is, i suppose, an enormous amount of stress to bear. I eat fast, i drink fast, i even walk fast without being able to control myself. I never sleep more than 6 hours and i quite have some problem falling asleep. Just yesterday night i had some arrhythmia while on bed.
My room is always perfectly tidy and even having a paper out of place puts me in huge discomfort.
Why? I think these things are the result of many years of stressful lifestyle/mentality caused by the "failure is not an option" meme. Ill call it finno from now on.
I can hardly guess how i developed finno and why is it in my life. My parents never put any sort of pressure with me and where quite liberal and i can't think of anything else that could have caused it. But, i am sure, finno is not here for me to drop things without feeling ashamed.

>>38413322
>If you wanna believe it's about logic and facts, whatever. You're wrong though.

Telling me I'm wrong doesn't prove anything.

I believe in facts and logic, so use them, or nobody else will find you convincing either.

>I am losing my shit because you're being a fucking retard.

You're losing your shit because you are running on empty and unlike others who lose patience, I stick around, for your sake.

Others give up because they realise it's hopeless to argue with you, and they give up because they're arguing for themselves. I argue against you for you so I don't just stop.

Your arguments, models, and ideas do not work. They don't match reality.

>>38413353

You mean the tactic you've just used right now?

Funny.

>>38413735
>Only if it's enough to make you stop arguing seriously.
You are such a retard. Being insulted and still arguing seriously makes you a laughing stock.

>I've never had an adult insult me in a social context, and those who came close to it had serious problems with me afterwards.
Point is, this serious problem means fucking nothing if they are more socially competent than you. You can be a great fighter, but even 3 people will extremely likely whoop your ass.

>You're too fucking edgy to get serious respect, Dan. You're going to have to do much better than that to improve socially.
You know who calls people edgy? DIRTY FUCKING NORMIES!

>You are wrong. If you can't back it up and if you can't make your model falsifiable, you're wrong.
Says you? I don't give a shit about that.

>>38413386

Have you even read my post?

Inferior people aren't treated unfairly, they're generally given the money that others work for. And that's if we have a definiton of "inferior" people, which honestly means nothing here.

Inferior at what? You always, always resort to abstract concepts that don't actually happen in reality, because your models don't work in reality.

>>38413415
>Yet you seem to advocate infantilising them and allowing them to act without consequence.

Not using the same standards you'd use for men doesn't mean infantilising. I use different standards for each person, on most things.

> If a woman slaps you full force intending to do maximum harm, why should you pull your own blow? Intent.

You'll most likely never be slapped by a woman without having an idea as to why she's slapping you. If it was ever 100% a surprise, it'd be a misunderstanding between other people and herself, and she'd just feel horribly embarrassed afterwards. In either case, I'd still take the slape and not retaliate.

>>38413769
Facts and logic? Which facts? The halo effect? Importance of height? Divorce statistics? You can't tell me to focus on facts and logic and expect me to ignore some facts and logic that prove I am getting fucked for arbitrary things because "dats da way it is, man"

>Your arguments, models, and ideas do not work. They don't match reality.
Wrong. They match reality, but you want to ignore them because nothing can be done about it.

>>38413775
You started it.

>>38413815
Inferior? Bad looks, poor family. This is what creates an inferior being.