Is there a MORE immature response?

>women are cunts
>men stop giving them attention
>WAAAAAAH WAAAAAH WHY ARE YOU SO IMMATURE I NEED A BETA PROVIDER TO TAKE CARE OF MY 6 BLACK CHILDREN FROM TYRONE WAAAH WAAAH

>>38321107
you don't stop giving them attention though. your ideology literally revolves around roasties. and let's face it already. you're not going your own way, you were sent your own way like the delusional betas you are.

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>>38321077
No. It's just about as mature as being a herbivore.

I wanted to do some research into the path of wizardry but they banned me from their website. Are there any wizards on /r9k/ who can give me advice? I know you're lurking, show yourself brothers.

>>38321107
That's a lot of interesting headcanon you have there.

>>38321126
>>38321151
>t. roastie nearing her expiration date

>>38321077
The PUAs, maybe.
The thing that makes MGTOW funny instead of sad is the reasons *why* they say they are ducking women; they basically just accept radical feminism as reality

>>38321107
how deIusional are you?

>>38321167
roastie? i'm clearly a guy you stupid cunt. the point is that you guys are like those employees who get fired but say they're quitting right after. no girls ever wanted you so whether you go your "own way" or not is irrelevant.

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Basically
>redpill
"I can't get women, so I'm trying to understand why and then act the opposite"
>MGTOW
"I CAN'T GET WOMEN! I-I DIDN'T EVEN WANT ANY IN THE FIRST PLACE!"
>Blackpill
"I can't get women, so I might aswell give up *shrug*"

>>38321107
Sounds like a PTSD nightmare.

Ever consider getting real help instead of resorting to radical beta ideologies like MGTOW?

I really don't get why people, especially women, care so much about MGTOWs. MGTOWs want nothing to do with you, they just want to be left alone. You are already getting exactly what you want from them (which is to be left alone) so why bitch about them online?

>>38321077
>Is there a MORE immature response?
Playing a game that you know to be rigged against you out of peer pressure?

It may be immature , but well within our power.

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>>38321077
just keep fucking with tyrone and co. stacey, mgtow is not your thing :)

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>>38321173
you cannot deny that since the 1950s the amount of non-shit potential partners as a percentage of the total (both male and female) has declined considerably

You can argue the females have become entitled obese whores etc.

But a large number of men dropped out of the labor force, don't work, and don't want to work. (in fact on this board itself are bitches promulgating NEET superiority and shittalking filthy wagies)

>>38321430

I do work but it's at night with a bunch of rude people. You sound like those faggots who make those hourly "why are men opting out of society?" threads on /pol/. Fuck you.

>>38321275
>platniumpill
i can't get any women so i hate them and anyone who is on good terms with them with every fiber of my being

let's face it this is the only enlightened pil

I don't think it's immature at all. The stats bear it out that men are not given a fair shake. Not surprising that they're backing off.

>>38321538
Best pill is beerpill
>"I'll drink beer"

Different anon but you just destroyed your own argument.
>you're not going your own way, you were sent your own way
Then what they're doing isn't immature. They're not shrugging any responsibilities if they were sent away from them.

>>38321275
This is the natural cycle

Redpill -> mgtow -> blackpill

>>38321203
Oh look, it's this shaming tactic again. There's a different between MGTOW And TFL guys. TFL or "true forced lonelieness" (incells basically) CANNOT be MGTOW. Only men with actual sexual marketplace value can be MGTOW.

I dunno, in between work, study, my hobbies and socializing with friends, I hardly have time for a gf.

And the few hours I get to myself, I just want to relax and read or unwind, and not have to deal with any relationship drama.

>>38321644

Well, I am bad at socializing, and I don't even know how I'd meet women in public. I need a context. What context would that be?

I have mediocre IQ so i will never have enough money to afford traveling or buy cool stuff if i ever have kids or maintain a relationship.

>>38321126

Yeah, unfortunately the original MGTOW movement got infected with stupid "Redpill" manchildren.

The core of MGTOW is that, you need to make the relationship you have with yourself, first priority over others. It didn't originally revolves solely around relationships with women, but more about men neglecting their own lives because of infatuation/obsession with...anything, really.

A man shedding off religion, in the name of free thought, was MGTOW.
A man shedding off partisan politics, in the name of free thought, was MGTOW.
A man who decides to open his own business, instead of working under corporations, was MGTOW.
And a man who decides that his own love is enough, and did not need to seek validation from others, was MGTOW.

Initially it started with the idea being that you shouldn't let your relationship status (single, having a gf, married), determine your self-image/self-worth as a man.
But it didn't mean disregarding or abandoning relationships either.

But naturally, in a place such as 4chan, ideas get corrupted and dumbed down.

the only people breeding in this world are muslims and catholics, the faster atheists and seculars die out the better

it's only a matter of time before muslims become majority in europe and enact sharia, patriarchy and birthrates will be restored to europe once more,

>>38321675
post some well taken photos of yourself on tinder.

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>>38321077
You either play a game to subtly control a woman for as long as you can or you live your own life. These are the only options if you don't want to roll the die and hope you don't get a shitty woman who will ruin your life.

MGTOW makes sense once you learn about the psychology of women, it's not the only way but it's definitely viable, mature and sensible.

>>38321077
In philosophy, not really. It's really just the idea of recognising that pussy is put on a pedestal way more than it should be, and that dedicating a majority of your life to something that really doesn't deserve it isn't really something one would want to do.

In practice, yeah, it's pretty much akin to modern day atheism. There's nothing wrong with the idea itself, but once a person starts to extensively label themselves as such (MGTOW, Atheist, etc.), and congregate with like minded people with similar ideas, they just come across as angry, bitter people that care way too much. Not that you're any better, OP, since you unironically decided to spend your time baiting what is essentially low-hanging fruit on a Taiwanese underwater basket weaving forum.

>>38321724

I'm not a Chad, so I don't think that could work out. I've been called good looking, attractive etc before but I think people were just trying to make me feel better about myself.

>>38321797
Yeah don't ever appear insecure about your looks, people don't really respect that.

Anyway, friendship groups are a good place to start, if you're ever at a party, see if you can start chatting to mutual friends. You'll eventually come across some girl.

Alternatively, if you're not working a proffesional job, say you're working some minimum wage job, you could try cultivating friendships with co-workers. This is pretty risky, and could backfire, though.

Use other opportunities like classes (if you're studying). And also, work out, despite the memes that get spouted here saying that face is the only thing that matters, having a nice body really goes a long way.

>>38321767
>In practice, yeah,
Should said "oftentimes, yeah", since you're basically saying it's okay to be MGTOW as long as you're not a faggot about it.

That said, living a life of self-improvement for its own sake and not any outside factors like women is probably the healthiest choice you can make. Much better than being a person whose sense of self-worth is entirely reliant on an equally flawed person's love, affection and loyalty.

>>38321872

I've actually tried your suggestions in one way or another and it didn't work out. People say "get over your false social anxiety" but it doesn't work like that. I am very nervous around people especially women. Tinder would actually be my only option since it's the ultimate icebreaker. But on there, I'm competing with lots of mega Chads so what chance do I have?

>>38321932
>Should said
should've

It's like losing a game, throwing a trantrum and taking your football home when you don't own a football and you weren't playing.

MGTOW is pure defeatism. Though I'm actually really sympathetic to the social disaster that divorce courts are, it isn't enough of a reason not to seek female companionship and it's certainly not a reason to whine on the internet all day about a lifestyle you've decided to take.

I would be ok with, supportive even, if all of these MGTOWs refocused their efforts towards reforming laws about marriage (or just removing government influence from marriage entirely). As it stands it's a hive of men stroking each other about how much they hate women, what they seem to ignore is that at least third of the world's men AND women, are composed of irredeemable cunts so it's not exactly fair for people to dredge up a bunch Facebook posts and say that's the nature of women.

I don't even care that some MGTOWs might just want to eschew relationships to focus on themselves, that's ok with me too but if that really the reason you don't need the label, just be an independent person. GO YOUR OWN WAY. So if you actually want try to change the law for the better or just better yourself, I welcome it, but if you want to retreat from because you're pissed the world is not an ideal construct to give you a wife, while posting about how enlightened you are, you're nothing but a worm who fancies himself a sage.

>>38321946
Social anxiety is a hard one. I still deal with it occasionally.

There's one book called Overcoming Social Anxiety which really helped. There, the author details the thought loops, which tend to affect people with social anxiety. She does a pretty good job of explaining its origins, how it can affect you, how to spot the onset of anxiety, and eventually how to deal with it.

Give it a read.

And in terms of Tinder, try this, set your search radius down to 1km, so once you swipe through all the profiles nearby, you'll only be shown girls who've matched with you. This'll probably save you a lot of time, since you'd only need to swipe 5-6 times a day.

>>38322012

Yes, I'm going to have to find a way to deal with my mental state here. Since there are so many thoughts and they aren't black or white. People have complimented me before but I'm almost certain they were just trying to be nice. If you were to take all or most of the compliments I've gotten as legitimate, than I am a turbo Chad that is unaware of himself. But again, I think people just see me struggling and are trying to boost me a little. Men don't get the help they need but we still get scraps here and there.

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MGTOW is the Blackpill

Its not meant for every robot(aka the closet chads who havent grown up yet).This is for the people who have no choice in the matter

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when people call MGTOW a "response" to feminism, it somehow drops feminism ever lower beneath the dung pile into complete malarkey.

feminism is just this thing that was created to bait a response out of men, that's basically what you're saying.

the response to our national debt? spend more.
women think that just because the issues are talked about that we can just fix them.
look at the national debt. lmao, we're never fixing ANYTHING.

>>38321203
Arnt they still going their own way? You are arguing semantics

>>38321965
Isn't it more like intrinsically wanting to play a game, determining that the game isn't really worth it like you once thought then playing a different game?

I haven't actually looked up much about MGTOW, I just know the gist of it.

>>38321707
Best post in this thread

MGTOW is still an actual respectable movement at its core.Dumbass neckbeards tainted the image

>>38321767
> There's nothing wrong with the idea itself, but once a person starts to extensively label themselves as such (MGTOW, Atheist, etc.), and congregate with like minded people with similar ideas, they just come across as angry, bitter people that care way too much.
Does that also apply to religious people going to church or groups of single people going to clubs to meet each other?

I mean, there's nothing wrong with being a combat veteran by itself, but when they start congregating at the moose lodges and vfw halls, they come across as bitter, angry people who care way too much.

>>38322072
Most compliments are hot air.

Has there been any definitive actions, like girls starting conversations with you, girls being receptive to your touch etc?

Those would be better indicators of how attractive you are.

>>38321967
MGTOWs, unlike MRAs, know that there's no chance of changing the laws to make them fairer to men, so there's no point in being activists. The reason they need the label is to spread their ideas so that more men wake up.

>what they seem to ignore is that at least third of the world's men AND women, are composed of irredeemable cunts so it's not exactly fair for people to dredge up a bunch Facebook posts and say that's the nature of women.

There are lots of shitty men out there but even shitty men on average are better than women. Women literally have no morals, no sense of justice, they'll ruin your life without a second thought. And it's not just a bunch of Facebook posts, holy shit. It's story after story of women being absolute cunts and getting away with it, being hypocrites, treating men like shit, abusing their privilege, asking for more privilege, etc. And it's not a new thing either. You can read books written over a century ago and they described women pretty much like they are today. The nature of women has been known to wise men since forever, the problem is that the majority of men prefer to believe that they're innocent little princesses.

>>38321430
>But a large number of men dropped out of the labor force, don't work, and don't want to work.

What is the hen and what's the egg here?
When you do not pursue women and build a family with one of them, 80% of the ambition to work goes byebye.
Only stuff like pride, proving yourself or wanting nice things is left, but mostly males can just live with less. Even ancient thinkers knew that when they get no reliable pussy access for it, most men will simply stop giving a shit about society.
OTOH, if you are incapable of holding a job and not get into money by luck, good luck finding decent pussy. Not impossible if you are some glib faggot, yet for many another reason to stop even trying to go near any women

In the golden age of the internet it was diregard females, collect currency. Now you guys are all saying just b urself and step up like a real man. What happened to you guys? All I care about is money, I'm no longer a moralfag, I don't have to be bogged down by some retard who can't handle having it without burning a hole in their pocket, acting like it's owed to him because he's chad, I'm over it. Get over it.

>>38322106
At least some of us can try to bust out of this joint while we still can.

>>38322228
>there's no chance at changing the laws
Why? Sounds like defeatism to me.

>even shitty men on average are better then women
What the fuck? Where did you come up with that? Men are responsible for so many evils throughout history, mass murder, rape, genocide, torture, they make up like the majority of violent crime. Unlike you however I don't use that as an excuse to indite a whole gender.

>the majority of men prefer to believe their innocent little princess
Well those people are idiots. But to be fair to them men on a biological level are geared to find women valuable. However you and all the other MGTOWs are proof that such a biological fixture is not uniform through the population, In the same way that the natural inclination for women to be hypergamous would vary to some degree across the population.

>>38322434
Neo /r9k/(and 4chan in general) is full normalfaggots

I wish that creed was still here but unfortunately as you can see its gone

MGTOW would be fine if they actually GTOW instead of complaining about women. They're literally doing the opposite of what their name suggests. If they really were "going their own way" they wouldn't give a fuck about feminism or hypergamy or w/e

>>38322434
>In the golden age of the internet it was diregard females, collect currency.
Haha it was fucking not. Sure is September in here.

>>38322642
Kinda unironic given the premise of this thread...

>>38322228
>know that there's no chance of changing the laws
Not if you are stoic and passive about it, no.
But act a loudmouthed ass and get the media on your side, and see what happens.
People are fickle, females even more so.
Push a meme like for ex. "FEMINISTS ARE ALL RACIST AT HEART" long enough and some will believe it, public opinion will sway some.
Look at all the diversity propaganda we have served for the last years.

>>38321743
underrated post

originalofamo

>>38322642
>hypergamy
Sure, they shouldn't give a shit about this
>feminism
The problem with feminism is that they try to actively harm men in many ways through legislature. I'm not talking about just in relationships, I'm talking about how this impacts men's ability to maintain and advance their careers, be allowed in certain places (women's only gyms), etc... Hell a man could have his life ruined because some slut pointed to him literally at random and cried rape. This is something every self-respecting man has to oppose, not just men who want to deal with women in any capacity.

>>38322161
>MGTOW is still an actual respectable
It's funny how people use to think things use to be better. Hey remember when this wasn't shit? Yeah you're right it was always shit but it was better than now.

Guess what, no it wasn't.

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>he's a beta / omega, yet

>he doesn't take the escort pill
>he doesn't buy himself a wife for the sole purpose of procreation, then leave her and live your own life while being accountable to no one else
>he doesn't at least try to take custody of his child(ren), but if he doesn't at least he can live in peace knowing that he gave the finger to the Chads and alpha males who didn't want him to breed with their PRECIOUS WIMMINZ

Don't go MGTOW unless you have something to fall back on. Otherwise, the irrational alpha fuckwads who don't want you to have sex will win, even though you did nothing to warrant such punishment.

>>38321077
>it's immature to not let someone kill you

>>38322434
>I'm no longer a moralfag
and you're why the world sucks. acquiring money is one thing, having no scruples just makes you another greedy whore.

>>38322834
Trudeauer words have never been spoken

>>38321743
>You either play a game to subtly control a woman for as long as you can or you live your own life.
Paging false dichotomy, False dichotomy to line 2.
Like this guy said
>>38321169
the core assumption of MGTOW (and most PUA/game types) is that radical feminists are correct.
They aren't, so MGTOW are as fucked up and wrong as Anita Sarkeesian.

>>38321430
>>38321107
1. there are literally billions of men who are willing to take your place in glorifying and providing for the low class, obnoxious women in your life as well as working some shit job. now welfare is a beautiful thing but it doesn't award you a better life than what those cucks get in most cases.

2. "going your own way" is the equivalent of a 8 year old kid announcing for an hour that he's running away from home, but never actually doing shit and functionally being incapable of doing shit in the first place. unless you like to suck cocks and gargle cum, you are not going to do anything new by being "single by choice" you're just a regular single guy who still likes women but can't get the ones he wants.

>>38321743
If you learn everything about women, you could rule them. But MGTOW are just divorced men or beta that women don't give a shit about.
Seriously, just learn and get the upper hand.

>>38322561

>However you and all the other MGTOWs are proof that such a biological fixture is not uniform through the population

The pro-MGTOW people here have been sharp at countering anti-MGTOW arguments and so I will point something out. You said what you just did, yet if anti-MGTOW people had their way, MGTOW wouldn;t exist, it woukd be wiped out. So think about that.

>>38321077
Mad because I am only giving my resources to video games companies? My video games would never accuse me of rape or extort child support from me.

>>38322965
>If you learn everything about women, you could rule them.
I said that, MGTOW is the other viable option that requires much less manipulation and heartache.

You pretty much manipulate women, roll the die and hope to find the one good woman out of a million or you be your own person and live your life without women.

>>38323106
i know its a stretch but it would be funny if video game companies manufactured the fear of girls in you so that you would always remain a child who sits on his pc all day.

take a guess as to how many white, educated men get accused of rape in the world.

>>38323079
>The pro-MGTOW people here have been sharp at ignoring anti-MGTOW arguments
FTFY

>>38323155

No they haven't, but you just ignored what I said anyways. Most posts here support "MGTOW" in one way or another despite criticisms of the label and what it's members do.

>>38321077
Oh I'm sorry if I had enough of women using me and treating me like sub-human scum and I decide to pacifically retire myself from this kind of society where i clearly don't fit in.

>>38321707
Originally good post, anon.

>>38323179
most posts here shit on MGTOW. you don't need yet another label for dateless losers, and you certainly don't want to be considered a loser if you're just a wealthy bachelor who sleeps around.

>>38322561
>Why? Sounds like defeatism to me.

Because feminism has won. Not just won, it has triumphed. Feminists have been winning for decades, they get everything they want no matter how stupid or unfair it is. Search for 'false accusations in Spain' (or Israel) on Youtube. A woman can repeatedy lie about rape and every time the police have to arrest the man, even if he's obviously innocent. Men are openly being treated like second-class citizens and nobody fucking cares. Feminists are able to complain about oppression and they're taken seriously no matter how stupid they sound or how wrong they are. Meanwhile the idea that men are victims of sexism is considered ridiculous by most people, despite the many facts in support in that idea. It's over. The moment women got the right to vote, feminists ensured that nobody could challenge them ever again, because women always vote in their own self-interest as a group, and they're the majority. I could go on for hours about how hopeless the situation is, but you just need to look at the facts objectively to reach the same conclusion.

>Men are responsible for so many evils throughout history, mass murder, rape, genocide, torture, they make up like the majority of violent crime.

The percentage of men who commit violent crimes or rapes is a tiny minority compared to the whole population (at least if we're talking about white people). War is war and historically men have been forced to go to war by the people in power (and there was a study that showed that queens declared more wars than kings). Women commit less murders because they prefer to use psychological violence to hurt other people. Women are capable of being rapists too, it's just that almost nobody reports them because everyone knows a woman can't rape a man. I've read lots of stories of young guys who were molested by women but didn't tell anyone because they knew they wouldn't be taken seriously.

>>38321967
I'm not pissed. I'm completely Zen. Literally planning my next trip to Thailand as we speak. Just booze, beaches and whores. No Western bitches. When I get bored, I'll probably go hike a mountain or play video games for a while. Take a nap. Etc

>>38321077
If you're really "going your own way" why do you have to submit to an ideology? Seriously if you feel that strongly don't give girls attention. If you focus on your self and self improvement your life will get a little better.

>>38323293
If you're really a Christian, why do you have to join a church?

>>38322561
>But to be fair to them men on a biological level are geared to find women valuable. However you and all the other MGTOWs are proof that such a biological fixture is not uniform through the population, In the same way that the natural inclination for women to be hypergamous would vary to some degree across the population.

I still find women valuable on a biological level, I just choose to stay away from them because rationally I think it's the best choice. The difference is that women have no reason to stop being hypergamous in our society, so why would they?

>>38323144
only needs to happen once

>>38321107
First post best post
Modern women don't deserve anything

>>38323079
I don't really follow your logic.

>MGTOW are wrecking anti-MGTOW (I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not)
>I use MGTOWs as an example against uniformity in people
>Anti-MGTOWs want MGTOWs gone, think about that.

I already said I don't really mind people who follow a MGTOW-esque lifestyle. I just think it's really stupid to have a label and an insular group based around your defeatism. The guy who responded to me is sure I himself that divorce laws can't be changed yet talked about trying to "wake men up". So basically he wants to recruit a bunch of guys not to actually try to make a change, but to join his pity party. I am dubious of marriage myself, and I often have phases where I'm not too concerned about relationships. Like I said it's cool to GO YOUR OWN WAY, but if you are that upset about relationships that you want to join a group about it, how about one that actually tries to do something about it instead of one that is literally just bitching

>>38322821
Man, sometimes it's better to just accept the defeat and focus on something else. For betas like me, whom hadn't been gifted with a good look ( >7.5 out of 10) life it's just an endless spiral of pain and being used and abused by others, there is nothing that you can do about it, as long as you'll keep contact with this kind of society (that isn't necessarily evil, it's just the way it is), you'll be looked down, made fun of and something even attacked. So, at least for me, it's better to just give up, but I'm not saying that everyone should do that.

>>38323312
a little awkward to claim that people who "go their OWN way" are just cultists gathering around the subject of i-don't-like-girls.

>>38321967
Mgtow is defeatist because women have the right to vote and their nothing they can do unless they wake up every single guy so they can take womens rights away. The laws are only going to worse for men because women have the right to vote.

>>38321305
>walking away from a confrontational culture is radical
>recognizing sucidal aspects of society and this refusing to contribute is radical

do people really believe this

>MGTOW are just as bad as radica feminists

Kek except MGTOWs just give up on dating and marriage bullshit and feminists keep trying to poison society

>>38323350
you only live once.

if you're afraid of random rape accusations, i'm going to guess you're also too scared to have ever pirated video games/music/movies. FBI here by the way.

>>38323415
Yes, i declare coins I find on the ground to the tax office

well personally I am going my own way as in I am going to focus on my career instead of wasting my time on getting married. I mean it is unfair how all women marry up while men have to marry down and be providers furthermore 50% of marriages fail anyways so why would take those chances to lose half my shit when I can just hire a house cleaner and a cook for a fraction of the cost

>>38322152
no.
it's like playing a game you are bad at, and then accusing the other players of cheating and then going afk until they leave the lobby or stop cheating (if they were even cheating in the first place)

>>38323397
>get WOKE'D
>CMON SHEEPLE
as much entertainment as this shit brings, "men" like you have been around for 5000+ years. scapegoats are not the reason your life is shit, your shitty approach to life is (assuming you're not just rambling incoherently without any actual frame of reference).

>>38321077
Yeah, making a thread to complain.

>>38323179
>No they haven't
Bullshit, junior. Re-read the thread and count the number f criticisms with no replies.
The number is well above zero
> you just ignored what I said anyways
Your sub-literate ramblings had no point

>>38321077
It seems unnecessary to even bother with making a movement for it. Men and women are already going their own ways. Men aren't bothering to work because there's not much incentive to enter a relationship and women can get as much dick as they like in their 'good years', so no one's bothering to actually establish lasting a lasting relationship.

Even if a man shapes up and becomes a stable loving provider, their partner can get bored and clean house, taking the children and any chance of financial success away from him. The average divorce rate in western countries is 50%, so you basically have a 1 in 2 chance of having your life completely ruined.

When marriage doesn't even guarantee any kind of loyalty or a chance to raise your own children, what's even the point in trying?

>>38322911
Unless you are naturally the person who the woman you were lucky enough to choose would never lose feelings towards then you need to learn how to control women and control them and you need to do so subtly. If you don't do this then, in all likelihood, she will lose your respect and you will lose her "love". It is a constant game with women and radical feminism has nothing to do with it.

MGTOW, in theory, is just a way for the male individual to realize the toxic behavior that's inherent in his female counterparts and to live his life free from that. It's not giving up, it's a choice of not giving in or realizing that you're unable to give in to a constant rat race to maintain a relationship with a single person that requires you to be equal parts vulnerable, strong and manipulative(or able to somehow naturally say and do all the right things).

For some men it just isn't worth it and that should be okay, less competition for the other men and less unwanted men in the dating pools of women and more freedom for these men.

>>38323563
a woman with "good years" is already in the top 10% of society.

you're assuming that there is any difference in how boys and girls grow up. lazy bitches who have nothing more than a "bestie," a cat and a dildo for life are completely normal by the numbers.

>>38321275
Is the sweet release of death the final pill to swallow?

>>38323466
That doesn't quite make sense to me, as it implies bad experience and pettiness to be inherent in the choice to not pursue a relationship and it implies that this choice has to be impermanent, that a MGTOW person will try again once things look favorable.

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>>38323259
>Because feminism has won. Not just won, it has triumphed.
Yup
this guy
>>38321169
nailed it.
MGTOW just accept Feminism.
>fucking losers
Protip: Feminism is dying and had been for decades. The fact you only see the world through the internet blinds you.
Fewer and fewer women self-identify as Feminist all the time; the core tenets of Feminism are rejected more and more *by women*. Younger women are more interested in traditional marriage, more interested in childbearing, less interested in careers outside the home.
FFS, the feminists screech constantly about "betrayal" as more young women become stay at home moms! Homeschooling by stay-at-home mothers is EXPLODING! Divorce rates are down; more young women are staying virgins until married; the average count of sexual partners is falling ever lower for young women; the divorce rate for first marriages has been going down for FORTY YEARS.
MRAs are winning all over with the end of alimony for life in state after state; more men getting alimony or 'no alimony' divorces; more men getting custody.
You can go on for hours, sure, but about shit that is fringe and failing!
The fact is, if you are an 18-22 year old guy the odds of you marrying a virgin that wants to stay home and take care of the kids is higher now than since the Korean fucking War.
The Feminists lost! But, just like how the press is screeching about the Left winning when they lose SJWs screech they've already won, even as they lose their grip.
Bottom line?
MGTOW are too dim to be allowed to father kids based upon their level of delusion.

>>38323590
I call that one the "cyanide pill"

>>38322840
Well I do want to make my own money, I don't want to exploit someone for it, because that would still mean I was dependent on them. But as far as morals go, it's dead baggage my friend, the sooner you drop it the happier you'll be.

>>38323570
>Unless you are naturally the person who the woman you were lucky enough to choose would never lose feelings towards then you need to learn how to control women and control them and you need to do so subtly.
You've never even kissed a girl that isn't related to you, have you?

>>38323641
Obviously not, not sure what compelled you to ask that question or what relevance it has. I'm a kissless virgin.

>>38323623
>Younger women are more interested in traditional marriage, more interested in childbearing, less interested in careers outside the home.
But will still gladly reap the benefits of shitty laws with their other hand, talk is cheap.

>>38323649
holy shit LMAO. how do you live with yourself?

>>38323690
I see that you've conceded to the argument, disappointing.

>>38323364
You're an idiot. Muh defeatism. FI got it! What am I going to do? Fight to transform this generation of whores into good wives? They're already ruined. There's nothing to fight for anymore and I'm not going to waste my time or resources trying g to convince Tyrone's baby mama to vote against laws that help them keep their children while milking resources from them? So what if we seek a little support in eachother. Lonelieness is not easy. By the way all women are Tyrone's baby mama in my eyes I'm not talking about blacks.

>>38323734
is that your answer? not impressed.
>conceded
lol

society let women run wild yet expect man to man up to broken goods in their 30s saving them from their bullshit

in reality its not happening and women are getting btfo

>>38323649
Because you don't know even the most basic things about women, how they react to men, etc.
Reading you write about women is like a combat veteran reading an 18 year old write about the military based on reading Avengers comic books.
None of that BS about how women act is accurate - you're making decisions based on fairy tales.

>>38323755
Well, if you really wanted to know I live with myself by working towards my goals of graduating university to enable the rest of my career life, working and enjoying myself in my free time.

>>38321275
best post in the entire thread

>>38323768
>yet expect man to man up to broken goods in their 30s saving them from their bullshit
How so?

>>38323673
>"Systemic sexism! Systemic sexist oppression!"
See?
You're nothing but a feminist, yourself.
You also ignore the fact that the laws have been changing for many years because the MRAs actually make a difference and a shocking number of
>wait for it
*Women* hate those laws, too.

>>38323144
women are still worth giving up because only the rich can afford justice when it comes to a false rape and feminist are doing everything in their power to prevent you from protecting yourself from a false rape. also statistics say the number of false rape has been at least 41 percent and I am not about to have my life completely destroyed by women with a simple accusation.

>>38323734
1) you never made an argument
2) Mockery is not concession

>>38323570
>less unwanted men

If men have nothing to go their own way from they are not MGTOW, they are incels. Learn the difference.

>>38323814
because thats the message being pushed in media right now where the older millennials are realizing that they are lonely fucks in their 30s

female suicide rates are also increasing

>>38321275
I'm at the blackpill stage, I just don't give a fuck anymore. You can only care for so long about something ultimately trivial.

>>38323854
Isn't that Chad's fault though? If Chad didn't fuck 500 different women in his lifetime there would be more virgin slaves for you incels.

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>>38323768
>society let women run wild yet expect man to man up to broken goods in their 30s saving them from their bullshit
Whom?
In all my life the only time, EVER, I ever heard ANYONE say
>"Man up and marry a single mother/etc."
Was MGTOW whining.
I have never, ever heard it anywhere else.
It is like the Feminists that insist, INSIST, that a construction worker catcalled them when they weight 400 lbs and have a shaved head.
A bullshit made up story so you can pretend something thinks you're attractive.

>>38323879
>there would be more virgin slaves for you incels

Found the gender studies graduate

as a former MGTOW i can tell you guys that there is no point in being a MGTOW, even if have a very substantial claims behind it.

we are experiencing a different crisis which MGTOW doesn't talk about. its not about law or culture anymore, its about numbers.
woman are no longer willing to be in relationships like they used to. this is why you don't see many woman out there that claim they are looking for a man, you can see this in dating sites.
its not that men are unwanted. its that woman don't want to responsibility of a relationship anymore (little as it may possibly be for a woman). and that's the problem we are facing. not laws and divorce which is a completely different subject

>>38323788
The things I have said are based on evolutionary psychology, first hand accounts I've read, statistics, new findings on neuroscience that reveal the nature of women, stories of people whose female partner left them, women online and in my life who've talked about their standards and expectations of a man, men who've managed to explain what they do to keep their SO loyal etc. Besides my few failures I admit that I do not have many of my own first-person anecdotes to derive information from but I think that's not crucial to the validity of my information, just like a war journalist who never fought in war can look at memoirs, interviews and the experiences of soldiers he's interviewed to write his work. I didn't come to any of these conclusions from fiction after all.

>>38323623
>Fewer and fewer women self-identify as Feminist all the time

that's bullshit. feminism is extremely strong with woman right now. but they don't want to be associated with the insane parts of feminism so they talk shit about it.
i observed this many times. and since we both know that woman are opportunists then consider feminism to be like virus that activates under certain conditions. its just a matter of necessity

>>38323788

Hes spot on though. The gist of what he says even the most renowned ladies men will backup. Woman have guys they use for sex and pure primal attraction, and guys they use for beta bucks. Guys who aren't the former are tired of being used so they don't put in the effort for scraps anymore.

Guys are just tired of having to put in an extraordinary amount of effort and take crazy risk just to get laid with 6s and below. It is a very analytical way of viewing things, you turn reality into data and charts and might miss out on a trustworthy girl right under your nose. But if you really feel you can go your own way, why even take the risk?

>>38323415
>if you're afraid of random rape accusations

you should be because your life is over after a false rape accusation and people are going to believe her without any evidence. also women get rewarded for falsely accusing men of rape. see mattress girl.

>>38323920
Thanks for ignoring my point. If genetically blessed males stopped thinking with their dick and breaking the hearts(and hymens) of young women everything would better. You expect all women to surpress their biology, but if you weren't ugly/autistic you would give in just as easily.

>>38323853
There's overlap but yes you're correct but I don't think this matters to the bulk of what I've said.

>>38323623
I don't know what world you live in, but it ain't the real world. Today's western culture has hit an all time low with hookup culture prevailing, the once traditional idea that marriage was sacred placing importance on monogamy and the nuclear family model is all but extinct.

Everybody is fucking everybody, it's a free for all and society is going to see the consequences of this sooner than later. You already have roasties offing themselves now in their 30's because they realize their existence is a shallow, empty hell with nothing to show for it.

>>38323990
Whats the matter honey did chad pump and dump you and now even your orbiters dont want you anymore?

>>38323990
>You expect all women to surpress their biology

If you wanna bring biology into then youve lost by default because men are hard wired to like young fertile women and not dried up prunes in their 30s

>>38324035
that's not true. 30 is the optimal age to get married and that's where woman have the upper hand.
woman know that they can wait, so they wait.

>>38323996
hookup culture means less sex for everyone.
i know this is hard to wrap your head around. but if you let EVERYONE compete for sex then only few will manage to have sex, no many.

this is how sexuality works, its very supressing

>>38324067
>30 is the optimal age to get married
kek not if you want to have kids which is the point of marriage

>>38322952

> 2. "going your own way" is the equivalent of a 8 year old kid announcing for an hour that he's running away from home,...

nope, actually that is your interpretation of ""going your own way".

Going your own way literally means going your own way. Trough hardships, trough joy, but not influenced by the expectations of society. Going your own way means that the you comes first and everything else second, no matter the preference: wife or no wife.

>>38323988
>LIFE IS OVER
>WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE
do you get scared of breakfast?

>>38323623
Feminism comes in waves idiot. It has to because if they push men too hard all at once we'd react. Just because women realized the feminst liable hurts their sexual market value and dropped it doesn't mean they aren't still feminists.

>>38323623
You're so naive, it's cute. Women are rejecting the word 'feminist' because they don't want to be associated with the blue-haired social justice warriors, but they're not rejecting the actual practice of feminism. Even so-called anti-feminist women want to be strong and independent and dress like sluts and have a career and vote. They're rejecting third-wave feminism because it looks ridiculous, but they're fine with first- and second-wave feminism. Things have gotten so bad that you consider it a victory when a woman says 'not all men are rapists'. It's over.

The number of women who prefer to be stay-at-home wives is so low as to be insignificant. The reality is that the majority of degrees now go to women. Women get special programs and quotas to help them find a job. Women initiate the majority of divorces and the man usually loses everything. Most girls have had lots of casual sex either at clubs/bar or through Tinder; it's virtually impossible to find a virgin woman over the age of 20 and those that exist, are just waiting for a rich Chad to marry them (won't happen though). Half of domestic violence victims are men, but they don't get any help, because everyone only cares about the poor women with the abusive husbands. We criticise muslims for mutilating the genitals of their girls, but nobody bats an eye when our boys are circumcised. A woman can literally rape a 11-year-old boy, get pregnant, and he's forced to pay child support. Your girlfriend can punch you, bite you, stab you with a knife; you call the cops, they arrest you. Do you want me to go on? Feminism is dying? Yeah, in your dreams. You have no rights as a man in modern Western society, and guess who's making even more laws to make your life even worse? Feminists. But sure, they're losing, keep telling yourself that.

>>38323385
That's not a response to the question I asked, anon.

>>38324161
you must be a woman if you are this stupid

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>>38321107
>>WAAAAAAH WAAAAAH WHY ARE YOU SO IMMATURE I NEED A BETA PROVIDER TO TAKE CARE OF MY 6 BLACK CHILDREN FROM TYRONE WAAAH WAAAH

I actually gleaned a hearty audible a-kekkeling from this line, anon.

>>38324167
this is why MRA is utterly finished and useless.
they let woman talk for them, it completely softens the blow when it comes to politics.
woman can't infiltrate MGTOW yet. since MGTOW have a higher sense of awareness when it comes to these things.
the herbivore movement is the most weird by far. they don't say anything, they don't touch face with MGTOW, nothing. they are just out there

>>38324102
Not him but it means less sex for many men, more sex for some men and LOTS of sex for women. You talk about sexuality but it's not quite how you described. Men generally always want sex with healthy people, women very often want sex with the people who fit their large but fluid definitions of what an ideal sexual partner is. This combined with hookup culture means that most women will be able to fuck a minority subset of men as much as they want, completely devaluing the traditional ideas of marriage, monogamy and the nuclear family model among many men and MANY MORE women as anon said.

Attacking his incorrect "everybody is fucking everybody" statement doesn't actually refute his main argument.

>>38324102
No, it means more sex for women basically. Men have always competed for sex. Before you had traditional dating in a closed community. Today's culture makes it anonymous, with the presupposition that you do not owe anything in return for it(i.e. when you use tinder, you are saying sex is freely available with no strings attached).

So the sexual hierarchy remains as before, with women getting the most choice, but my original point was that women have turned into complete fucksluts as opposed to 70 years ago when they were relatively chaste until marriage.

Thus the end result of feminism, the complete transformation of the woman from the role of child bearer and rearer, to a degenerate roastie.

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>>38321275
What do you call it when you can get 90% of women easily, but lack the motivation to do so?

They practically have to assault me to get me to try to fuck them these days, shit's weird.

>>38324229
It means you're a Chad, you know that.

>>38323623
>Fewer and fewer women self-identify as Feminist all the time; the core tenets of Feminism are rejected more and more *by women*.

not stopping women from voting for feminist laws that discriminate against men and men are more disposable then ever before because women have the government to take care of them.

>>38324229
>What do you call it when you can get 90% of women easily, but lack the motivation to do so?
A meme. Like "smart but lazy" but you're not really smart. You're "Chad but lazy", but you're not really Chad.

>>38324132
>you comes first
the "you" in this context WANTS relationships usually, but fails to get them. there's a difference between having limits, whether they are true or not, and throwing a childish fit about sour grapes. a lot of stupid cunts in this thread talk about the legal system as a way to justify their failures. do you think they go to council meetings and run campaigns or studies? no, they just sit at home doing what they always did before the idea of a wife even entered their dense minds.

>>38324197
yes good goy. be scared.

>>38324188
i want to correct what you are saying
woman strongly support third wave feminism, but they don't want to ASSOCIATE with it since its led by insane people.
you never see feminists online but when its time to debate abortion laws fucking millions are out in the streets.

>>38324218
>>38324215
i disagree with that. it also means less sex for woman. its true that woman have more sex than men but overall chad have his priorities straight.
R9K WANTS to think that chad will bang anything which is not true. chads want a healthy relationship just like everyone else. and when stacey is checking chad's phone every day it means he can't do shit

>>38324299
Let's be concise. Hookup culture means the ideal or "good enough" men will be able to have no strings attached sex with many different women and many different women will have sex with many different ideal or "good enough" men. All of this completely destabilizing traditional values.

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>>38321077
It's necessary because women are no longer worth the effort. Why would you want to get screwed over by a woman when you can enjoy a peaceful life full of entertainment and time for yourself?

>>38323623
>MRAs are winning all over with the end of alimony for life in state after state; more men getting alimony or 'no alimony' divorces; more men getting custody.


that is actually very rare and almost impossible in feminist family courts. the wife has to be a batshit crazy crack addict whore with severe problems for you to have a chance of custody. the judge is a feminist and everyone else who works in family court is a feminist. the system was created for women by women so they are taken care of.

>>38324363
i respect your opinion but that's what i think

when you let woman get picky they just freeze. they don't jump on the existing merchandise that's available. otherwise we would see less people that are single and people getting married earlier.
woman don't want to explore the options when the variety is huge. if you had a 1000 different pizzas in your freezer would it mean that you eat one pizza every day? no. you would simply be too picky about the pizzas you are having and just wait it off

>>38324376
It's sad but true, marriage is only feasible if you have an iron clad prenup, but even now things are shifting so you can STILL get fucked over with those.

It's just not worth it, society will eventually crumble because these types of traditional values have held up various cultures for millenia now, without it, it's doomed. You're just a sperm donor for a roastie and a free paycheck, not a husband.

So funny to watch roasties with multiple kids complain about lack of "good guys" while they continue to fuck a line of dudes. The whole male/female dynamic in society has become hopelessly warped and screwed.

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>>38324448
>if you had a 1000 different pizzas in your freezer would it mean that you eat one pizza every day?
I probably wouldn't be especially committed to eating just one pizza until I die. I would be eating different pizzas at least some of the time and that would make it that much harder to stick to just one pizza forever.

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Or this one right here.

>>38324514
>"See Marg? I'm getting those noobs"
>God he's so handsome when he's getting those noobs

>>38324517
sorry let me rephrase my statement

if you give people options they spend more time in choosing the right option than just deciding.
this is like the window shopping effect when you are looking at a store front full of shoes and you wait can't decide.

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>>38324549
look at this roastie...

>b-but I only fuck a few of them, not all of them

>>38324161
men have kill themselves after being falsely accuse of rape or white knights have kill them. rape is a very serious crime and I am not taking any chances. trusting women is like giving a child a gun and expecting them not to shoot you. women are children that don't want to take responsibility and they will accuse you of rape to avoid being shame for sleeping with you or for whatever reason.

>>38324549
I feel like you want me to admit to a point that I either don't see or don't see as relevant. Women in hook up culture hook up, women in hook up culture don't look for a monogamous relationship they look for different men to hook up with, women in hook up culture have multiple different men, women in hook up culture who've had different men are less likely to be able to stick with just one, the nuclear family model relies on monogamy and that is counterproductive with hook up culture, society is built by the nuclear family model, hook up culture will destroy society.

>>38321077
T.roastie get fucked but you won't get betabux bitch

>>38324541

>why isn't he paying attention to me!!??

>>38324363
not really. very few women are into the hookup culture. there are relatively more women who are gold diggers and hang out with rich dudes, but there are relatively more men than women who are rich so there is still sort of a balance.

>traditional values
if your values are destabilized by people fucking then you never had them. if you mean there is a race to the bottom culturally, that's also false. abandoning family/community is only prevalent among poor people. teens and college kids are horny and wild, but that's never changed.

>>38324637
>there is a very real possibility that there will be a deadly spider in my bathroom so i never take a shower

>>38324703
We're having millions of people in their mid 20s and early 30s on Tinder.

>>38323742
I literally can't discern what you're trying to say with that Tyrone shit. However much you don't like the word, if you believe something is really wrong with the world and have no interest in trying to change things and instead retreat into porn and video games, you are I fact subscribing to a defeatist ideology.

Like I said I'm sympathetic to people afraid of marriage or just wanting to focus on themselves. However if you're a defeatist that means you've accepted that this is the way things are, and that means you should react accordingly and then move on, instead MGTOW are still fixated on women instead of bettering themselves as they claim they have all the time in the world to do.

Let's try an analogy: you bring your favorite comedy movie that your group of friends said they wanted to watch, but decided to watch Jack and Jill at the last minute. Being a free person you have options:

A) Try to convince them that jack and Jill is shit. When the movie is inevitably shit tell them "told you so" when that becomes evident.

B) Accept it without protest. Watch it with them or leave.

If you picked B, they're really isn't a reason to be whining during the movie.

>>38321324
MGTOWs won't stop talking about women

>>38324728
If you add rape accusations with all of the other ways women can ruin your life then you get a pretty strong case against using them for anything but one night stands.

>>38324791
>i never even think about going into my bathroom. there's mold, serial killers, the chance of slipping and hitting my head...

>>38323588

So you're assuming that differences in physiology, brain chemistry, hormonal chemistry, and duration/onset of puberty make absolutely no difference in how the sexes grow up?

>>38324830
You aren't this ignorant about the inherent ugliness and horrible nature of women, stop pretending and stop making dumb analogies.

>>38324737
Not him.
There's a big difference in being a defeatist and not wanting to waste your time.

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>>38321275
What pill do you swallow for "I wish women would stop trying fuck you I want to be alone"

>>38324668
woman don't ""hook up"" in hookup culture. hookup culture means that globally woman standards rise and its much harder to hookup in general.
sexuality always go up, not down. guys who install tinder are usually average joes like you and me. people with resources and looks don't need tinder to begin with. they are already in a committed relationship or something else.
since tinder is choke full of average guys and average woman the number of people who are getting laid is extremely small

>>38324908
The "someone literally already posted this bait" pill

>>38324841
behavior is learned. learn to stay on track, little guy. if you think men all have the same "chemistry" going on, distinct enough from women, you might need to wait a few years until you take a bio class.

but sure, guys play games more often and girls watch tv/videos more often with plenty of overlap. is that what you're asking?

>>38321077
am I the only one that watches MGTOW shit for the self esteem/self buildup aspect, not the "REEEEE WOMEN" shit?

>>38324862
>i'm gay!
even if i took the "risk" XD XD XD of a potential rape accusation seriously, that story would be about the ugliness of society in general. a society which includes you. faggot.

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>>38321619
>Only men with actual sexual marketplace value can be MGTOW.

Truth right here.

>>38324229
I know this feel.

Remember that lab experiment with nice where eventually the male mice just didn't give a shit anymore?
That's probably it.

>>38324728
okay even if I get a girlfriend what exactly do i get from it if her money is her money and your money is her money? why should I sacrifice myself for women if they are depreciation asset? why should I protect and take care of them if they are going to turn in to expired milk in a few years while my value increases with promotions? did you know that I just got a raise at my job and that increases my value as a man?

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>>38324737
That's not what MGTOW is. I don't feel like you've studied it at all. Most MGTOW date and use women for sex still. It's more about accepting women's nature and not folding to their desires. Men just want sex and now we can get it for free. Why would you get married when you can focus on becoming wealthy and fucking girls in their 20s well into your 40s?

>>38325007
I'm flattered that you'd call me that, gays do not have to worry about women and live life much more comfortable as sexual beings. If women were like men then the false accusations and the plethora of other shitty things women are doing to good men RIGHT NOW wouldn't exist in society. Woman mentality is the cancer of society, it didn't magically become ugly, they made it ugly.

>>38324272
Being a robot and being a chad is not a state of mind. Get off this board.

>>38325050
you don't have to do anything. you talk like you're 8. nobody gives a shit what you do, just the idea of being scared of a girl is funny. there's some people who argue we should encourage families and shit, but i would never want someone like you to have kids lol.

>>38321275
I swallowed the black pill when I was born. I've never really tried to approach women.

>>38325068
>It's more about accepting women's nature and not folding to their desires.
That's the redpill not MGTOW

>>38325070
no you are the definition of gay dude.

>>38325117
You're unable or unwilling to argue your points so why even bother replying?

>>38321107
talking about not caring about female is still caring about females

>>38325034
>Only men with actual sexual marketplace value can be MGTOW.
>Truth right here
Why? Because no one else can AFFORD to anger the holes?

>>38324376
probably one of the most accurate pics I've ever seen posted here

>>38324728
There is a 90% chance that a deadly spider will bite you when take a shower.

>>38325068
>MGTOW is just feminism for men!
i admire the principle but you're still fucking yourself over. feminism benefited only a handful of activists and abused women. every big cultural shift attributed to feminism was naturally going to happen either way.

first of all most men aren't going to be rich no matter what they focus on. second, men motivated by greed and spite are dog shit. can you really say you will successfully emulate them without wavering and regretting the road you're on?

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>>38325136
>talking about not caring about female is still caring about females
Elaborate.

>>38325116
The redpill is realizing it. The not giving them what they want (resources) is where the MGTOW part comes in. Basically refusing to be betabux.

>>38325127
is that all you can say?

>>38325172
this is fact.

>>38325237
It's a hell a lot more than saying "ur ghey".

>>38325249
why did you misspell that shit? how old are you?

>>38325155
Because women don't care if incels don't want to date them. That's when it's the "I didn't want to play with you anyway" thing comes in.

>>38325093
Huh.
>What do you call it when you can get 90% of women easily
I call it being a Chad, what do you call it?

>>38324703
Women are worthless wives if they have had more than 1 partner.
Youd be better off adopting kids and getting a nanny.

>>38325265
Do you think so highly of your calling of an anonymous poster gay that you think it ought to not be mocked? Are you this unself-aware?

>>38325296
>unself-aware
read some books dude.

>>38325292
what's your worth?

>>38325272
Yes its being chad. The other person said he wasn't because he didn't act on it.

>>38325268
>Because women don't care if incels don't want to date them
And they already don't care they don't want to date them. The grapes are sour.

>>38325219
Thanks I've been looking for this one.

>>38325314
He said he wasn't because he lacked the motivation. Chad but lazy.

>>38325309
I make my own words, I'm my own man, I GO MY OWN WAY.

I'm done here, you're retarded.

>>38325211
Can't say it'd be a happy road, but still better than settling for a used wife. :^) I'll at least have my dignity.

>>38325333
>i'm my own boy
fixed

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>>38325211
>MGTOW is just feminism for men!
I always hear this but the cunts never back this up with evidence. I only know of MGTOW on the Internet. How many demonstrations have MGTOW destoryed? Even pic related is more respectable than feminism. I can link to countless times feminism has been fucking insane in the public eye but I can't think of the same for MGTOW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCD_T9Qqpc

>>38324971

> if you think men all have the same "chemistry" going on, distinct enough from women,

It's distinct enough that there are literally completely different hormones that are responsible for developing secondary sex characteristics in each sex.
That's why transsexual people need hormone therapy: Estrogen for female, androgen+testesterone for male.
Don't you think hormone therapy would be irrelevant if there was no significant difference in "chemistry" between the sexes?
You don't even need to take a bio class to know this kind of shit anymore; it's pretty much everyday life now.

>>38323938
>The things I have said are based on evolutionary psychology, first hand accounts I've read, statistics, new findings on neuroscience that reveal the nature of women, stories of people whose female partner left them, women online and in my life who've talked about their standards and expectations of a man, men who've managed to explain what they do to keep their SO loyal etc
translation
>"I read a few game blogs and believed them because I am a fool"

>>38323973
>Woman have guys they use for sex and pure primal attraction, and guys they use for beta bucks.
The average woman born in 1970 had 3 lifetime sexual partners; that number is lower every generation.
in other words, you;re an idiot.

>>38325420
>evidence
>demonstrations
i'm not arguing that MGTOW is just as disruptive or large, i'm saying that the underlying mindset is that you are breaking conventional rules regarding your gender because you think they are inherently unfair. my presumption is that both feminists and MGTOW use "gender" and miscellaneous acts of sexism as a scapegoat.

also, that guys post made MGTOW look like feminism because it read like a standard feminist declaration. I think there are clear differences, in that MGTOW are just abandoning responsibilities while feminists are trying to bring down men.

>>38325420
yeah mgtow is peaceful as fuck. we don't do this shit or have political power like the communist feminist do.

>>38325524
Not him but did you really equate statistics with game blogs?
>>38325564
>that number is lower every generation
Also gonna need some source for this claim

>>38323990
>If genetically blessed males stopped thinking with their dick and breaking the hearts(and hymens) of young women everything would better. You expect all women to surpress their biology, but if you weren't ugly/autistic you would give in just as easily.
Ah, the old myth that "20% of men fuck 80% of women".
Here's the problem, genius - since only about 9% of men aged 20-24 are virgins, who the hell is fucking 90% of the men?!

>>38325100

If I'm afraid of hitting a girl, it's not because I'm afraid the girl will hit back. Ever thought of that?

>>38324912
Chad and roasties use Tinder for easy sex. Everyone is having sex, except average and below average guys. We're back to the stone age where a few dominant men have harems of females.

>>38324971
They didn't teach you about testosterone in bio class? Weird.

>>38325575
>in that MGTOW are just abandoning responsibilities

Woah fuck that. No one is responsible for marrying whores.

>>38322965
>But MGTOW are just divorced men or beta that women don't give a shit about.

Apparently they do, in fact, give a shit once they hit 30 and find there are no men willing to sign on to support them and their children. There are regular articles on news sites along the lines of 'women are starting families later in life because immature men and their vidya', 'where did all the good men go?', 'why men are dropping out if society', etc. They may not care in their 20's when they're still busy fucking a train of Chads and Tyrones, but they certainly do care in their 30's when their stock has dropped and they find themselves alone and desperate.

>>38325432
>my case for chemistry defined by gender:
>hormone therapy to treat gender dysphoria
are you clinically retarded? i don't even want to point out the fact that you busted your own argument by admitting some people go as far as rejecting their own gender completely despite all the "chemistry" they had.

hormone therapy is for superficial changes. if behavior was attributed to "muh chemistry" we would just treat the fucking root problem of feeling like shit with a dick. distinctions between genders are statistically relevant on a molecular level, but completely meaningless on a social level. there are more differences between you and your dads life than you and any girl your age.

>>38323996
>I don't know what world you live in, but it ain't the real world.
Says the incel that thinks women want to be controlled subtly.
LOL.
Let me repeat some verifiable facts - more women are remaining virgins; the average number of sexual partners for women is going down.
You're the sort of idiot that thinks the TV show Girls = reality.
In Real Life every year more women aged 18-24 go to the March for Life to demand that abortion be outlawed
>Those feminists sure have won!
Every year Planned Parenthood, NOW, and NARAL get less money and have fewer volunteers
>Feminists say they are winning so they must be!
Feminists in particular and Liberals in general lost in about 1980, they just haven't realized it yet.
You're just a man who agrees with feminists.

>>38325564
>The average woman born in 1970 had 3 lifetime sexual partners; that number is lower every generation.
not him but where the fuck do you live? jesusland?
because I read that average number of partners for women is 12 which fits for the girls I know

>>38325632
>who the hell is fucking 90% of the men?!

No one ever said the bottom 80 of men weren't having sex at all. Its more so that as you go down men enjoy much less sexual success than those at the top.

You'll 1 guy marry his first gf who already had 8 dicks in her that sort of thing.

>>38325575
>feminists and MGTOW use "gender" and miscellaneous acts of sexism as a scapegoat
I personally see nothing wrong with this. Love is fucking war and whatever to to even the playing field is fair. Also this >>38325695

>>38323988
Mattress girl? The woman widely mocked for being a liar? The girl that doesn't have a job? The one that is being sued by the guy who she lied about?
Yeah, what a scot-free existence!

>>38325754
has feminism evened the playing field? girls who would have otherwise shaped up and adjusted to what men desire are growing up feeling okay with doing less/nothing, and the mentality is shared by boys who suddenly have fewer options and more distractions of their own.

i'm not saying feminism directly impacted anything of value, to be honest. but energy and time wasted on gender "wars" has very few benefits. show me a girl who feels genuinely proud of a lifestyle focused on identifying/harassing sexist men, or a guy with a lifestyle focused on identifying/harassing slutty women.

>>38325719
>Says the incel that thinks women want to be controlled subtly
Strange. I didn't know people had to be incels to see that 50 Shades of Grey is popular with women that unsurprisingly enjoy BDSM. As long as he has money they will always enjoy be controlled or it'll turn into Cabin in the Woods.
>more women are remaining virgins; the average number of sexual partners for women is going down
This is good news if you can source it.

>>38325564
You actually believe that modern women have less than 3 lifetime sexual partners? Hahahahahahahaha seriously how is it even possible to be so wrong? The average girl has had something like 10 partners by the time she's finished college. Lifetime partners are probably around 30.

>>38325575
You can't compare MGTOW and feminism. Feminism has done nothing but lie and give more give more privileges, while pushing men down. MGTOWs just turn their backs on a society that openly hates men. They're not even remotely similar.

>>38325719
I wish I lived in that alternate timeline.

>>38325898
>just turns their backs
>goes out of their way to talk about and to women about their "nature"
feminism is mostly talk and MGTOW is all talk. the rights given to women have almost nothing to do with modern feminism.

>>38325898
*give women more privileges

>>38325961
>the rights given to women have almost nothing to do with modern feminism

Congradulations. This is the stupidest thing I've read all day.

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>>38324188
>The number of women who prefer to be stay-at-home wives is so low as to be insignificant.
See the attached graph?
look at it. It is from Pew Research. It matches both raw data and data analysis of Census data.
What does it say?
29% of all mothers are Stay -At-Home mothers.
20% of all married women with children are stay-at-home mothers.
Thing is - that chart is 5 years old.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the number of married stay-at-home mothers is about 33% with 24% of married moms being SAHMs.
That is 1 in 4, you simpering idiot.
According Pew the number of female HS seniors AND graduating College seniors that say they want to be SAHMs has been going up every year for 25 years and in 2015 it was 70% and 50%.
So - not only are you fucking wrong, you are HILARIOUSLY fucking wrong. I mean, you are about as wrong as it is possible to be and not be a communist, you fucking simpleton.

>>38321107
>all those cucks attacking this post
/r9k/ is dead.

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>>38325869
>has feminism evened the playing field
In a way, yes. Feminism is what women always thought. Even when they disregard the label, the fruits of labor obtained by previous generations will be at their beck and call. They don't even have to be housewives anymore. Now that we understand that women always thought in line with feminism we can circumvent this by acting accordingly. When was the last time a woman gave up alimony willingly? That is a woman unaffected by feminism and worth taking.

>>38324253
Many states are ditching men-only alimony rules, eradicating lifetime alimony, giving men alimony, and doing 50/50 custody.
I mean, you will never be a father, but try to keep up

>>38325991
Upboated good sir!

>>38325961
You're a fucking idiot. MGTOW is necessary because almost nobody is willing to talk about women's true nature nowadays. Men grow up being told that women are just like them, except better. MRAs, MGTOWs, the red pill, the black pill, it's all good if it means more people get to hear the truth rather than the feminist lies.

Feminism is mostly talk? Are you fucking retarded? Who do you think made the laws that stripped fathers of their rights? Who changed the legal definition of rape so that when a drunk girl and a drunk guy have sex, he goes to jail for raping her? Feminists, you dumbass. You know nothing about the history of feminism, shut the fuck up and let the adults talk.

>>38326021
>picture
lol, is this satire? Mothers share the children with "their exes"? How about calling the fathers what they are?

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>>38326075
He's not wrong. Women getting rights is directly in line with feminism and their goals. You have to be a new breed of naive to believe otherwise.

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>>38325961
>feminism is mostly talk

You are so fucking wrong about this dude.

Multiple Western countries take feminism to heart and turn it into policy and law. Sweden, Canada, increasingly Germany. The PM of Canada just arbitrarily made 50% of his cabinet female and justified it saying "it's 2015." Multiple bitches got pussy-passed into powerful, influential, and high-paying positions where their decisions affect millions

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-trudeau-liberal-government-cabinet-1.3304590

And if you think that's just Canada being cucked, this is where the entire West (especially EU, led by Sweden and Germany, and UK) is going. Only Trump is holding the line against SJW insanity in the West.

>>38325745
>because I read that average number of partners for women is 12 which fits for the girls I know
you hang out with whores and can't get laid?!
>>38325745
>>38325930
The CDC analysis of birth rates, abortion rates, STD rates, medical records, surveys, and medical examinations that is part of the Selected Health Measures annual analysis includes estimated number of lifetime sexual partners. No, it isn't just asking people how many partners they've had, see above.
In 2005 the lifetime average for women was 3.3. In 2015 it was 2.9.
About 9% of women are "very promiscuous" with 15+ partners, sure, but about 22% have only ever had 1 partner.
Which matches the Pew survey from 2010 that found about 1 in five brides lost her virginity to her husband only.
The problem is you guys believe a lot of lies.

>>38325792
she was still praise by feminist organizations and she destroyed the reputation of an innocent person. His name is going to show up on google and companies are not going to hire him.

I'd support MGTOW if they weren't also dumb /pol/ faggots. I don't think they realize the hypocrisy of denouncing liberals for rejecting social norms, while MGTOW themselves simultaneously reject social norms. Why is there no overlap?

>>38325611
>gonna need a source
After dozens of posts saying
>all women do x, all women do y, etc.'
you ask me for a source?!

You support every moron yelling '20% of men fuck 80% of women' and pretend you;'re Carl Sagan to people you don't agree with.
Go fuck yourself - if you were actually impartial and scientific you would ask EVERYONE for a source, not just the guys you disagree with, you cherry-picking faggot.

>>38321173
>>38321305
Hello summer fags
R9k is full, now fuck off to b

>>38325997
I hope not, i think tis just the summer fags

>>38326233
>destroyed a reputation
You mean the guy very publicly exonerated who is probably going to end up a multi-millionaire from his lawsuit and who is already employed?
>she was still praise by feminist organizations
Then ignored and now broke and unemployed.

>>38326211

>trump directs hatred at himself via liberal media and everything he tweets
>meanwhile sneakily telling islam and feminism to fuck off

BLESS LORD TRUMP.

>>38325898
>You actually believe that modern women have less than 3 lifetime sexual partners? Hahahahahahahaha seriously how is it even possible to be so wrong? The average girl has had something like 10 partners by the time she's finished college. Lifetime partners are probably around 30.
Prove it.

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>>38326262
Don't get upset my good goy! I never said I wasn't impartial. I know where my biases lie. When asked source for a claim you tend to give it no?https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/reports/2016/12/19/295203/breadwinning-mothers-are-increasingly-the-u-s-norm/

>>38325715

You must be illiterate.
Never once did I mention gender: you are making up shit and quoting me on it.
I only used the word "sex", meaning biological sex; I was talking about differences in how the sexes grow up, based on objective physiological and hormonal differences.
It is established fact that females experience onset of puberty earlier than males, for example. (10-14 for females, 12-16 for males, statistically).

>you busted your own argument by admitting some people go as far as rejecting their own gender completely despite all the "chemistry" they had.

If gender were a fluid construct composed of externally learned behaviours, then gender dysphoria wouldn't even exist.
The very fact that some people experience a strong unchanging sense of self-identification with a certain gender regardless of their environment or how they were brought up, shows that it's neither something learned nor fluid, but is determined by one's internal hormonal chemistry or other, as of yet undiscovered, factors.

>hormone therapy is for superficial changes.
That must be why one of mtf trans people I've talked to tells me that taking estrogen was the most important part of reducing the sense dysphoria they experienced. In other words: muh chemistry is actually responsible for making trans feel like shit.

Have you ever talked to a single trans person, you ignoramus?

>we would just treat the fucking root problem of feeling like shit with a dick

I never once mentioned genitals either. I don't see how they're relevant to the discussion.

>distinctions between genders are statistically relevant on a molecular level, but completely meaningless on a social level.

Society is a meaningless abstract construct based on biological realities, including biological differences between sexes.
If the biological differences were irrelevant, don't you think society would be more fluid in its structure and easier to change?

>>38325611
Hey.
Hey, you
got anything to say about the post this anon made?
>>38325992

>>38326332
KIKE ALERT
We got a self-admitted Zionist Overlord in the thread and he is, of course, trying to keep non-Jews from having kids!

>>38326219
>implying women answered honestly

Pretty much every female I know in real life past the age of 20 has had over 30 partners. This is from a large pool of females I know. Most won't admit to the real number even time their husbands. There's no way they'll ever find out anyway. A woman can literally lie about the number without repercussions and guess what

They do more often than not

>>38325719

>argues that women are rejecting their independence on mass and opting to return control to men.
>argues that women don't want to be controlled.

>>38321617
>>>38321275
>Redpill -> mgtow -> blackpill -> mgtow

>>38326332
That chart has zero to do with anything in this thread, pal.

>>38326360
see
>>38326332
I personally don't even want a wife myself

>>38326388
You know what jokes are yes? I am a shitskin myself actually.

>>38326403
I see you ignored the part where this was about scientific verification, despite me pointing it out twice
>Pretty much every female I know in real life past the age of 20 has had over 30 partners.
So your mother is a gap-toothed whore, so what? Your personal anecdote is *not* Reality.
I have a friend who is a devout Catholic - all the women his know have 0 or 1 sexual partners, Guess what?
Personal. Anecdote.

>>38326413
Breadwinners and stay at home moms are very much related to what the previous guy was talking about. Unless there's a new definition of breadwinners I haven't seen.

>>38326410
>>argues that women don't want to be controlled.
No, you fuckwit. They don't want to be controlled subtly.
Only spineless weasels don't understand that women like strong men, emotionally strong. You don't act like a fucking middle school girl and 'subtly manipulate' a woman - you tell her what to do.
Fucking pencil-neck virgins, man

>>38326431
>The percentage of women who earned money with side businesses was highest in the 1930's
You saying that married women in 1933 were MORE feminist than today, or can you grasp that the great recession made a lot of women work from home while raising kids, too?

>>38321538
>Not being MGTOW and helping other men give up on women so you help making women more miserable.
If I can't have it no one can.

>>38326469
Muh data! I don't believe those numbers for a second and if you had more experience with women in real lifeminists you wouldn't either. What part of LIE ABOUT IT OR LOSE SEXUAL MARKET VALUE do you not understand? You little friend who has been with one guy could be getting gang banged by strangers every night a day you would NEVER know.

You're all demented

>>38326307
>You mean the guy very publicly exonerated who is probably going to end up a multi-millionaire from his lawsuit and who is already employed?

don't matter because everyone still loses because that is going to come from male tax payers. also he already lost his second lawsuit against the college. all of this trouble could have been avoided if he when MGTOW. I don't need my full name and face on the internet for privacy issues and for a crime I didn't commit.

>>38326480
Re-read the cahrt and the actual article, easily found.
Know what it says?
>"There are more single mothers, now"
That is about it. The percentage of married women who earn money is, well, flat
It also includes shit like 'whose name is on the welfare check', too.
So,
Are more married women Stay at Home Moms?
Yup.

>>38326517
>I don't believe those numbers for a second
Oh, I know you hate facts and truth - you've proven that very, very clearly, moron.
>if you had more experience with women in real lifeminists you wouldn't either.
Dude, I am not an incel MGTOW, so - I know about Real Life.
>LIE ABOUT IT OR LOSE SEXUAL MARKET VALUE
What part of "abortion, pregnancy, and STD rates are going down" do you not get? What part of "OB/GYNs issue cautions that more young women need to be treated carefully because they remain virgins longer and more have intact hymens" do you not get?
But sure! Women lie to anonymous, computer based surveys in such a way that it *perfectly aligns* NOYT ONLY with birth, abortion, medical exam, and STD data, but also *perfectly aligns* with changes in sexual partner count by MEN, TOO!
I mean, Feminists can do ANYTHING, right?!?!?!
hint - you're a fucking moron

>>38326511
I can cede both your points t b h.

>>38326631
Well that is honestly good then for those that want to get married isn't it? Can you also link the decreasing rate of virgins source while you're at it? It sounds too good to be true.

>>38323879

Chad didn't force these slors to spread their asscheeks, they did that themselves.

>>38326618
>don't matter because
translation
>Even when I am wrong I am right because I am so special
pro-tip - he hasn't even filed the amended lawsuit, yet

Mgtow is what people make of it. There's some truth that gets talked about in it, but I think a lot of people who follow that are just hurt people.

>>38326268
Your head is up your anus we're getting drowned out by them, they try to contradict us with baseless posts at every turn and think they're on some crusade to get us all back in the pussy game with some tough love,(I guess? Maybe they're just being cunts) its disgusting and it isnt seasonal.

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>>38321077
there's nothing wrong with staying single but anyone that actually labels themselves as MGTOW is a beta faggot that never had a chance in the first place

>>38326716
The same CDC meta-analysis mentioned above. I think there are news articles about it I will try to track down

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>>38325992
I fucking hate 4chan. I've been trying to post this fucking comment for 10 minutes and I keep getting this fucking 'ascii-text' error message. Whoever coded this website needs to fucking die. Let me post you fucking morons.

>>38326765
Perhaps, perhaps us actual robots need secret code words or put an r in the trip... we must protect our people and ensure a future for the r9k culture

>>38326779

Dumps of quoted text are discouraged here. Either screenshot as you have done or archive.ls link.

>>38326219
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Promiscuous women have literally hundreds of partners. 15 is average.

>>38326777
Thank you I will be waiting.

>>38326496

And let me guess: if she doesn't listen to you, you leave her, right?

After going through all the divorce procedures of course.

>>38326469
The sky is green and pigs can fly, this study says so!

>>38326723
well I bet he is a mgtow now if you talk to him because of the shit he got from the false rape accusation. I feel bad for him because he had to be red pilled the hard way on the discriminatory justice system and people automatically believing women without any evidence.

>>38326822
prove it with something other than
>"Nuh-uh! I KNOW! I know because I can't get LAID!"
which is all you have so far, kid

>>38326766
Why are you pissed about it?
Why do you care so much?

>>38321077
What is exactly immature about it?

>>38326867
Of course she listens.
Aren't paying attention? That is what she wants!

>>38326702
First of all abortion and pregnancy rates are going down because of cheap, widely available birth control... certainly you realize this with you big brain lmfao

Yes the CDC conducted a study of all loll of the women and found they have 3 partners on average. Thanks for the laugh. I needed it today.

>>38326876
You have that wrong. What you really mean is
>"That study MUST be wrong because I disagree with it!"
Unless you want to convince me that you have sworn depositions from all the women you know...?

>>38326936
>"I am going to ignore STD rates because they prove I am wrong"
FTFY
Well, everyone else noticed

>>38321077
>Is there a MORE immature response?
Getting mad about it.

MGTOW is completely harmless.

>>38321707
Exactly. It was just about you going your own way, and if that involves work, religion, or sexual relationships it's all up to you. It's about going your own way and putting yourself first in your own life.

>>38326988
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the multi million dollar campaigns and the millions poured into education. Nope. Must be because women under 30 have 3 sexual partners LMAO

>>38325702
this. they're expecting mr beta prince charming to swoop them off the carousel into a life of luxury so they see no purpose in trying to build long term relationships in their twenties.

>>38321967
hear, hear

i hope the bot dies a horrible death

MGTOW would work better if prostitution was legal
it would certainly help balance the dating market and women would actually put in some effort into being a good dating partner because of competition.

>>38321077
Hmm I don't agree with some things that MGTOW preaches but then again I'm more of a herbivore than an angry militant like them. I do understand that that people should post articles relating to cases of women being evil harpies to always remember that they aren't perfect little angels just because they're pretty.

>>38324744

Neither will lesbian feminists

>>38327224
>prostitution was legal
In what kind of shithole are you living that prostitution is not legal? kek, I know you are an Americunt :^)

>>38327224
women hate the idea because it would basically mean they'll be replaced.

marriage is basically legal prostitution, but if you add tons of competition to the table and a pump & dump attitude you'll get a recipe for the average woman shitting bricks.

>>38327224
fuck that shit prostitutes will accuse you of rape too. VR porn is all you need.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4640002/Mike-Comrie-s-accuser-prostitute-wanted-revenge.html

/r9k/ should really have a MGTOW general or a thread for men who want nothing to do with cunts

I'm sick of underaged faggots asking for dating advise

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>>38327408
Kek you are going to catch some serious shit for what you just said.

>>38327337
euroshit pls you guys don't even have the freedom of speech.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/30/15898386/germany-facebook-hate-speech-law-passed

>>38327438

Love that picture. The problem is a few guys have decent success with woman, find that one that isn't a whore, and they think that means MGTOW was wrong all along. They think we are crazy for giving up just because there are a few exceptions to the rule.

>>38327558
>guys have decent success with woman

Currently. Thy might be having success at that point and time but it won't last forever. At some point they'll realize the truth. Unless they age and die together as husband and wife which won't be a common sight to this generation. In fact, it will probably be an incredibly rare thing. People are surprised my parents are still together and they're in their 50s..

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>>38321077

It's literally the mature and adult thing to do.

Pic related is arguably immature or or Godly

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>>38327438
Fixed graphic

>>38327109
>I don't know how disease and medicine work
FTFY

>>38327735
You didn't fix anything, you simply added different falsehoods.

>>38321077
maybe, but I can't think on a more coward one.

>>38327636
>Currently. Thy might be having success at that point and time but it won't last forever.

Yeah every guy that ever got screwed over by woman trusted her at one point, thought he was lucky, that's why I don't listen to these fools.

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>>38321077
I'm no MGTOW. I'm a GTFO.
Muh granpa had a maid and a cook and a pussy all 3 in 1. He never had to clean the house, go shopping, change diapers nor any of that shit.

Nigga I'm not settling for anything less.

>>38327792
Name 5 bad things about having a relationship with a woman and 5 things that make it worth it.

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>>38321077
Bieng an MGTOW while being a robot is like suddenly turning pacifist when Chads kick your ass because you simply can't punch them back

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>>38327835
>I'm no men going their own way
>I'm a get the fuck out

???

>>38327878
I've already beat you to punch on the pic my friend. No need for a repost
>>38325420

>>38327878

Its still undeniably a good move though because you don't waste time trying.

>>38327894
Meaning GTFO of my house.
Don't let roasties into your house. Even if you are in a relationship, she has to have her own place.

Unless they are willing to be like my granmother.

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>>38325155
>triggered by the truth

FFS man, come on now. First, strip all lies you tell yourself to shield your ego. It sucks at first, but becomes strangely liberating after a short while.

>>38326349
>gender isn't sex!
nice. a word salad about biology from someone who says "fuck biology i make my own rules"

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>>38325219
Don't be coy, you know as well as anyone else does that devoting emotional/intellectual energy towards NOT CARING about something shows that you do indeed care very fucking much about the subject in question.

>>38327906
Didn't check, no harm intended

>>38327992

But hurting girls was never the intention of mgtow, its about protecting your own self interest.

Its you guys who make mgtow out to be some group out to hurt girls feelings. It doesn't matter that girls don't care that incels are giving up, its good for the incel to have this knowledge and save himself the trouble.

>>38327782
Look at the content of this thread - Heartiste made up a bunch of shit 3-5 years ago, called is 'evolutionary psychology of women) and got 200 comments on his monetized blog. Within 6 months Roosh and Roissy were repeating it on their monetized blogs because it made people comment, which drove ad revenue and ebook sales.
Within weeks morons were repeating it on arcanine as if it came from some psych PhD rather than from a semi-literate blog by an anonymous guy selling shitty 'how to date girls' ebooks.
Same with everything from the terms 'cock carousel' to 'beta bucks'; some PUA blogger makes shit up, they repeat it among themselves, and 2 weeks later robots treat it as if it dropped from the lips of a demi-god, not as if it was made up pap to make money off the gullible.
And there is a lot of active denial of reality, naturally. That's why you get a guy saying 'no shit like
>The number of women who prefer to be stay-at-home wives is so low as to be insignificant
when the numbers of women who WANT it are about 50% and that DO it are about 20% of married women.
Think he ever bothered to do the 5 seconds og using google to see if he was correct?
Of course not! it "feels right" to him so it is just true!
But someone shows actual facts that he is wrong? MERCY! you better have 25 multi-variate studies! Of course, even if you do you get replies like this guy
>>38326517
who dismisses actual data in favor of PUA hyperbole.
MGTOW are just like feminist; regardless of any evidence, they are oppressed and they hate the opposite sex for oppressing them.

>>38327992
The only people I can see reasonably getting angry at MGTOW are women/Tradcons. It doesn't hurt anyone else personally besides themselves if they want out of the dating game. That is why it doesn't make sense to be angry at people who want out. Let the people who truely want to be left alone, alone. Let them vent. If it doesn't harm you personally, why bring attention to it?

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>>38325332
Hey, me again. Chad but depressed/anxious about my shitty apartment.

I also do not want marriage and/or children, so this also serves as a subconscious hurdle towards me allowing myself to want to get close to a girl.

>>38328048
>you know as well as anyone else does that devoting emotional/intellectual energy towards NOT CARING about something shows that you do indeed care very fucking much about the subject in question.
I could say the same about the women who waste their time on the people in this thread.
Very strange how it applies both ways.

>>38328039

>"fuck biology i make my own rules"

You're the person who disagrees that males and females are biologically different, not me.