Psychological Issues #92

Wow you are early today Nick! How are you doing?

>>38297496

Went back to the optics shop. Had to both remove my contacts and put them back in. Did an ace job each time. Everything's fine with them. I'll get my dailies on Friday, and then I'll get monthlies soon enough.

How about you?

We can continue the white room stuff. I'll my therapist about my white room exercise; I'm sure there's something just like it in the professional world.

>>38297522
That is good to hear. The less stuff touching your eye, the better.

I am doing relatively well, though who knows when I am allegedly depressed.

Gladly, not sure what white room questions I should answer today.

I think I've developed an alcohol dependency. I am actually worried I'm gonna be like George Best now. I just can't keep off of this shit. Worse still I am the worst drunk imaginable.

Why do people get addicted to things?

>>38297551

More than a question, I realised that everything that happened in the white room got a negative interpretation. Even the dog, all of it, it was all negative from A to Z.

Now, the kind people of the white room ask you what they should bring to make you happy.

Nick i am an unhealthy sack of shit. i joined the tennis club kids when they jogged for their warm ups. I've not jogged in 5~6 years and slept like a baby immediately after i got home.

I promised them to jog together again on friday

>>38297567

Usually because it's something that makes them feel good, or less bad, when they are in mental pain. To cure your alcoholism, we should look elsewhere.

I need a quick recap on your case.

>>38297621
Hmm, you are quite right, as said I am a pessimist at heart.

The people of the white room shouldn't bring me anything because they probably can't help me. If we are talking anything, the leash again, but this time with a female slave who is badass to others and yet extremely loyal to me.

>>38297628

That sounds good! I can't run well because my knees hurt, likely due to hamstrings not being flexible enough. I use to train that, but then I stopped when everything went to shit.

Running is good if you can do it, very good.

>>38297628
Be thankful you can run. I am unable to jog down the street without running out of breath.

>>38297645
>Hmm, you are quite right, as said I am a pessimist at heart.

I suggest a new way to look at it: you grew up in a hostile environment, in which fear and pain were your allies; they helped you survive, so you still use them all the time. You're a survivor. You've learned to expect the worst to face everything and survive. You're not a pessimist, you're a good learner. But now is time to unlearn.

>because they probably can't help me.

They can. What's your favourite meal?

> a female slave who is badass to others and yet extremely loyal to me.

Do you want a slave because you couldn't trust a free woman?

>>38297630
i don't think I've talked to you about my alcoholism

Basically, I've never been able to handle my drink, I was always the guy who got too fucked up. I started drinking alone last year to alleviate boredom, fast forward to the past month I've been drinking at least a few beers everyday (in addition to getting completely off my face every few days), I've basically accidentally formed an alcohol dependancy. I got really fucked up yesterday and I had really awful withdrawal symptoms. I had to drink to feel better.

I've known for a while that I have an alcohol problem but I simply don't give a fuck, now I'm worried that I might have to go to rehab or something if I keep going the way I'm going.

What else did you want to know?

How are you by the way. Nick? When do you start your course?

>>38297711
>Now is the time to unlearn
From what I have seen, things usually fall apart. As I said last thread, my expectation of life is that the entirety of it is just devoted to distracting us from the truth of rotting away.

>What's your favorite meal?
What constitutes a meal? Papa Ginos Pizza. But that feels worthless since I could leave the room and eat it, thus giving me the peace of being away from the white room and yet with pizza. Plus they don't allow all you can eat deals outside of the restaurant.

>Do you want a slave because you couldn't trust?
Exactly Nick. As I have said, I wish to have the right to control. The ability to control, to have full responsibility for someone, and the freedom to do as I wish. I wish to have someone underneath me that can live for my whims, but at the same time provide me with company. I need someone without rights so they cannot take advantage of me. A slave can't sue a person.

Note this is all hypothetical. In reality, even a slave I could not trust. I expect slaves to wish to escape their status and thus quite willing to kill or injure me. It is a nice concept, but even if the white room offered it and somehow it bypassed all legality issues, I would distrust it on the basis of it being a risk to my life.

>>38297740
>I got really fucked up yesterday and I had really awful withdrawal symptoms.

Delirium tremens? What kind?

If they're bad symptoms, you can measurely fuck your health if you continue.

I haven't registered yet, I stall on lots of things. I do one thing per day. Today was optics and I'll work out later. I was supposed to clean up and register and such. I'll just work out.

>>38297825
>Delirium tremens? What kind?

>If they're bad symptoms, you can measurely fuck your health if you continue.

My heart was racing and I was shaking a lot. I'm not getting fucked up but hopefully I will drink enough that I feel okay but I will also feel okay tomorrow.

>>38297825
>I haven't registered yet, I stall on lots of things. I do one thing per day. Today was optics and I'll work out later. I was supposed to clean up and register and such. I'll just work out.

So what do you do then? Are you a counsellor or something? Why do you try to give therapy if you're not an actual therapist? Are you practicing for the real thing or something?

>>38297821
>From what I have seen, things usually fall apart. As I said last thread, my expectation of life is that the entirety of it is just devoted to distracting us from the truth of rotting away.

If you do what it takes, you won't rot away until a really, really long fucking time. It's more a matter of taking care of yourself than just aging. People don't get fat because of age, but because of accumulated excess energy stored as fat, it's just slow and gradual for most people, because they overeat only slightly. Same with fitness. If you work out, you can look fit until very, very old age. My grandfather kept working on his vineyard until his late 80's. He looked better then than my father in his 60's.

Besides, for all you know, souls are real, Heaven is real, reincarnation is real, so it doesn't have to be all that negative either. Just like the white room. Depression makes you have these ideas, trust me.

>, I wish to have the right to control.

That's how you feel safe. Safety in power. Many here have the same problematic.

In time, you will learn to feel this safety through trust. Once you can trust others, you will feel greater safety, because instead of being 1 against the world, you will be many, 5, 10, or more. Much more safety to be felt once you have a team.

What if the slave wanted to be free?

>Note this is all hypothetical.

No matter. This is fairy-tale land. You can have a slave that doesn't want to be anything other than your slave.

>>38297875
>So what do you do then? Are you a counsellor or something? Why do you try to give therapy if you're not an actual therapist? Are you practicing for the real thing or something?

I'm a teacher.

>Why do you try to give therapy if you're not an actual therapist?

Depends on your definition. If a therapist is someone who helps people with issues, then that's what I do. You will find much worse than me amongst the professional sort.

>Are you practicing for the real thing or something?

While that isn't the main goal, it certainly serves as experience, yes. I'm learning a lot.

>>38297982
>I'm a teacher.

What do you teach?

>>38297982
>Depends on your definition. If a therapist is someone who helps people with issues, then that's what I do. You will find much worse than me amongst the professional sort.

I guess if you have read more than the average layman about psychological issues you could offer some form of help. It's just that if you are unaware of typical therapeutic practices you can do more harm than good. Vulnerable people are highly suggestible.

>>38297982
>While that isn't the main goal, it certainly serves as experience, yes. I'm learning a lot.

You picked the best place for it. You are one of the few who actually benefit from going on 4chan, consider yourself lucky.

My therapist talks a lot about how I use alcohol to fill a void, But I'm not sure exactly what it is I am missing, if you know what I mean. Maybe it is due to my shitty parents, but I haven't reached any conclusions that make me go eureka if you know what I mean.

>>38297953
>If you do what it takes
I am a failure in life who doesn't do what it takes. Stopped drinking 2 liter bottles of soda and switched to water, still got a beer belly and lost no weight after doing this for three months.

I hope such things are real Nick, but in all actuality they are most likely not. I would rather them than being flat-out dead, but I just cannot see any being anything more than pipe dreams created by mankind to try to believe there is better than what really exists, which is nothingness.

>Safety as a team
Would be nice to trust others. It just feels like an impossibility. It is like saying to ignore that they have the potential to stab me in the back and letting them do such to me.

>What if the slave wanted to be free?
A slave doesn't have a right to be free. Depending on how much she fought, I would amputate her arms and legs, plus get rid of her vision and hearing, to prevent her from escaping. I am not losing my slave because of some moral compass that society believes I should have.

>No matter. This is fairy-tale land.
Good, than the slave will not wish to be free and thus won't need to lose her senses. I wouldn't do such things out of desire, but more to ensure I can trust her. I can trust a deaf,dumb, and blind stump that cannot move on its own.

>>38297476
So I have a theory that I'm actually depressed because I'm not exploring my hobbies and I don't have friends to push me to do better in those hobbies. I think I should be doing art, I think I'd be happy if I made friends that were from that art world. How do I make myself do art when I'm too depressed to do anything besides jerk off and second, how do I make friends that draw anyway?

>>38298046
>What do you teach?

English. I have a master in English and French, and a BA in social sciences.

>I guess if you have read more than the average layman about psychological issues you could offer some form of help.

I have, but that's not even where I derive my knowledge. No degree can grant you the knowledge I have on abnormal psychology.

>It's just that if you are unaware of typical therapeutic practices you can do more harm than good.

I much prefer it when you tell me this with a name. I am aware of a number of therapies, yes. Many are very specific and intended to treat specific issues. I mainly deal in "talk therapy", and mostly in the cognitive therapy department: bringing things into the conscious, so the person can connect the dots and see what the problem really is, and then we can face it together. Exposure therapy is also a thing, but when you're not present, you can only suggest it, not accompany it.

> Vulnerable people are highly suggestible.

That's more an idea in your mind than a reality. In 99% of the cases here, maybe more, the issue is usually the opposite: it's hard to convince anons to try things. The problem never is that anon is so eager to do what you suggest that he's at risk. Besides, I've never recommended anything remotely dangerous or unsafe, ever. If you have an example in mind, that I suggested, or one you can make up as an example of what you're thinking of, I'll gladly discuss it.

cont.

Hey Nick, what's up?
original greeting

>>38298046
>ou are one of the few who actually benefit from going on 4chan, consider yourself lucky.

If others didn't benefit from going on 4chan, they would not go. It's more of a question of what do people want: get better or get comfortable in shit? That's the difference.

>My therapist talks a lot about how I use alcohol to fill a void, But I'm not sure exactly what it is I am missing, if you know what I mean.

Typically the steps you weren't provided with as a child. Feeling safe in a peaceful world, knowing you have value, without a doubt, etc. The most obvious place to see where parenting fucked up is in your own relationships, or lack thereof.

>>38298067
>I am a failure in life who doesn't do what it takes. Stopped drinking 2 liter bottles of soda and switched to water, still got a beer belly and lost no weight after doing this for three months.

If you want to get fit, ask me. I used to be a fitness adviser on this board before I did what I'm doing now.

>better than what really exists, which is nothingness.

The only hole in that theory is that things do exist and it's all pretty insane and amazing. Look around, all this stuff exists, and it's complicated as fudge.

>Would be nice to trust others. It just feels like an impossibility. It is like saying to ignore that they have the potential to stab me in the back and letting them do such to me.

You will find out that it's safer for you to be open to backstabs than protecting yourself from it all the time. Backstabs won't happen often, whereas protecting yourself from everyone will be a 100% foolproof guarantee that you keep all the good stuff from happening to you.

>>38298067
>A slave doesn't have a right to be free.

Until they take it. The question wasn't about that, though. Your answer is astounding, actually. My angle, here, was: how would you feel about your slave wanting to be free? Would you understand the request? No, you just want to make sure she can't leave you. That's blunted empathy right there. It's a bit weird because you have been in her position, and yet you can't feel anything for her. Can you explain this to me?

>>38298067
>I can trust a deaf,dumb, and blind stump that cannot move on its own.

But do you see what happened? You've destroyed what you wanted to keep. Being loved by a free human is a thousand times better than owning one. Owning a human is worth nothing, in fact, because you aren't loved, then, you are hated. You can't control love, you can only give it and receive it from someone who wants to give it. It's what makes it beautiful.

I imagine these concepts are beyond you for now.

>>38298210
>Ask me
Not sure what to ask. That is part of the problem.

>Complicated as fudge
It is all just shiny distractions. It is like jingling a set of keys in front of a baby's face. That is amazing to a baby, will help a baby stop focusing on why they were upset, but whatever reason they were upset still exists. They just forget about it due to jingling keys.

>Backstabs won't happen often
To an optimist. To me, I see everyone willing to backstab. They mean well generally, but there will come a point that they will hurt you for their own benefit. It is the natural order of things, but that means you need to play the game as well. What good stuff can happen if I let my guard down? Slaves aren't legal Nick, so I am not being kidnapped and put in a random white room to get a slave.

>>38298118
>I'm actually depressed because I'm not exploring my hobbies

Unlikely. Reverse that and it'll make more sense: you're not exploring your hobbies because you're depressed. Your friends aren't at fault.

>How do I make myself do art when I'm too depressed to do anything besides jerk off and second, how do I make friends that draw anyway?

Choose a tutorial on dA and do it. Practice.

Join a club, take lessons in drawing. You'll meet people that way.

>>38298127
>English. I have a master in English and French, and a BA in social sciences.

That is a lot of education. What social science in particular?

>>38298127
>I have, but that's not even where I derive my knowledge. No degree can grant you the knowledge I have on abnormal psychology.

I see, personal experience is what you're alluding to? So you don't realise that the fact a personal unconsciousness experiencing the things you have experienced might influence one's perception on things?

>Exposure therapy is also a thing, but when you're not present, you can only suggest it, not accompany it.

But this is precisely what you should never do in therapy. The skill of the therapist is asking completely unbiased questions, in order to facilitate the engagement of the patient with his own issues. Any opinion of the therapist is simply dangerous, the patient must come to his own conclusions. If anything, a reaffirment of the therapist's view of not being final and merely a suggestion would be suffice in a lot of scenarios.

>That's more an idea in your mind than a reality. In 99% of the cases here, maybe more, the issue is usually the opposite: it's hard to convince anons to try things.

It is hard to convince anyone to do anything. But suggesting the ideals of communism to a man would change very much. This is what I was talking about earlier.

>If others didn't benefit from going on 4chan, they would not go. It's more of a question of what do people want: get better or get comfortable in shit? That's the difference.

I was making a joke. 4chan is only used for cheap, degenerate laughs.

>Typically the steps you weren't provided with as a child. Feeling safe in a peaceful world, knowing you have value, without a doubt, etc. The most obvious place to see where parenting fucked up is in your own relationships, or lack thereof.

I think you are right. I was so inhibited by my parents that being as disinhibited as to drink a bottle of vodka is actually comforting.

>>38298292
>Not sure what to ask. That is part of the problem.

What do you want for your body?

>It is all just shiny distractions.

The universe doesn't exist to distract you, Coats-Kun. Existential crises often hide past trauma that wasn't dealt with. You're left with an obligation to find meaning because you can't enjoy life as it is. Happy people don't need a reason because they enjoy being alive.

Imagine yourself making love to the woman of your dream, would you need a special reason to do so? No, because you enjoy it enough. Life is the same: if you enjoy it enough, it becomes its own reason.

>>38298292
>To an optimist.

Hardly, since I said "not often", which means it will happen, but not that often. Besides, trusting people is the best way to find out if you can trust someone. Just don't start with your heart.

>natural order of things

You and others have tendency to erect your fears into some big universal laws that everyone follows. It ain't true. It's not natural to betray. You're probably scared of it because you know how likely YOU are to betray others for yourself. By comparison, you imagine others are like you in that regard, and, quite logically, you get concerned.

Good news: most people couldn't do a tenth of the stuff you would. They couldn't harm you because they have empathy. I hope to make you see this some day.

>What good stuff can happen if I let my guard down?

Stuff like me.

>Slaves aren't legal Nick, so I am not being kidnapped and put in a random white room to get a slave.

Unfortunately, it happens. What you need is not a slave, Coats. You need to come back to humanity until you can function normally and enjoy what is every human's right: to love and be loved.

I'm not really sure who to talk to so I figured /r9k/ would be as good as any place. Not sure how to start this so I'll just jump in. I'm a 20 something with a nice job, decent family and a small semi-reliable pool of friends, but I've always felt as an outcast failure. I got bullied alot during HS about my looks mostly (was a fat kid) and how I would never go out anywhere.

Fast forward to today, I still feel like a bit of an oddball/outcast wherever I go almost all the time. However I have these further periods of time where everything seems so bleak and I can't see any good at all in my life and cut myself off to everyone around me to the point where I am described as a shell of a person. They can last for weeks on end and very quickly get to suicidal territory. As an attempt to figure it all out I've been writing down my thoughts during my ups and downs and I seem like two very different people. I'm getting to the point where I'm scared I'll never come back from one of my dips, the only thing giving me some hope now is some guidelines I'm writing for myself (I've been reading alot of philosophy for help) so that if I spiral too far I can refer back to those materials for help. The strange part is that I shouldn't be sad; my career is slowly progressing, I'm in good health and my finances are more stable than most my age. Sorry the text is all over the place, its a lot to unpack.

>>38298247
If my slave wanted to be free, I will request that she give another in her stead so I do not end up with a lack of slaves. As long as the balance is fulfilled it is fine, but otherwise I have lost a slave and potentially a companion. Why does she want to be free? Why should I care about what she wishes when she doesn't care about my need for a slave?

I can understand a slave wants to be free. That makes sense. But if I got that power, why would I throw it away so quickly when everyone else had power over me a lot longer? It is unfair to me that she wishes to be free. If she does and cannot settle for anything else, supply me another slave and ensure I am happy.

The problem Nick is that her desire to be free conflicts with my desire to have a slave to begin with. That is like losing something quite valuable to you because the community gets upset you have it. I asked for one thing, a slave, and now she won't shut up about trying to leave. She is trying to attack me, to make me miserable. She can't work with me to some sort of deal, it is just "I can't be free, oh woe is me.". Give me another slave and get out of my life, or just be happy being my slave. I am not sacrificing my happiness Nick.

>>38298278
>You destroyed what you wanted to keep
Not really. I still have the slave. She just has been modified to never leave me. Deaf, dumb, and blind amputee victims are still quite arousing Nick.

>Owning a human is worth nothing
I don't need love. I need control. Nobody can love me, I can't get unconditional love. So I go with what I can get, control. Sure, I am hated, but I have control over someone and the freedom to finally act on my whims without someone stopping me.

>>38298354
>That is a lot of education. What social science in particular?

My courses included social anthropology (the one I liked best, despite the bullshit), sociology in general, and something like "political sociology". I liked sociology a lot too. It's basically group psychology.

>I see, personal experience is what you're alluding to?

Yes. It's all anyone ever has, even if it's the experience of reading books.

>So you don't realise that the fact a personal unconsciousness experiencing the things you have experienced might influence one's perception on things?

Not sure why you'd make that assumption, since it's precisely the opposite. Having been able to see my own blind spots is how I know that such amazing things exist. Learning to separate one's own experience of things and the experience of others is a big part of being a good therapist. I always have to second-guess myself with regards to this, but it's not a process I expose when talking to people, because it's no use to them and would intrude on the conversation. But that doesn't mean it's not happening, it is.

cont.

>>38298354
>But this is precisely what you should never do in therapy.

I don't think you know what I was talking about here. I only suggest exposure therapy because I can't do it with the person. Do you know what exposure therapy is? Suppose someone was attacked by a dog when they were a child. Now they're scared of all dogs. Exposure therapy is about gradually exposing the person to what they fear, while being in control, and gradually exposing them to more. You'd start with a puppy, then two puppies, then a slightly older puppy, so on and so forth until you can walk around with a Great Dane and be OK. That process is something I cannot do with people here, but I can suggest it. It has nothing to do with my opinion.

>The skill of the therapist is asking completely unbiased questions,

I'm not sure how a question can be biased or unbiased, unless you mean loaded questions. The idea that the therapist should be a machine and never show emotions or even opinions is outdated and doesn't work well, for reasons I could explain in details, if you want.

>Any opinion of the therapist is simply dangerous

That is untrue. A therapist needs to be a human being for the therapy to work, if it's talk therapy, and being human means having opinions. It's fine to have different opinions, that's how people out there are, they have different opinions too. You may want to tell me what kind of opinion you're thinking of, because right now it's too broad to make much sense.

cont.

>>38298459
Oooo i can beat nick to his reply, he's gonna ask you to describe your childhood, your relationship with your parents and to describe whatever unhappy childhood memories you have

>>38298354
>the patient must come to his own conclusions

But the patient isn't the therapist, so that's not always possible. Doctors don't tell their patients to come to their own conclusions. If it's a broken shoulder because the X-Ray says so, then that's what the doctor will say. If I see 7 clear symptoms of a particular condition, I'll tell you what I think it might be. You may agree or disagree but it won't change the reality of things. The only difference is that the mind is only directly accessible by the person (to a degree), which is why some people cannot be helped until they want to be helped.

>If anything, a reaffirment of the therapist's view of not being final and merely a suggestion would be suffice in a lot of scenarios.

Therapists usually aren't very "final" in that sense, and diagnostics are only a tool to get somewhere, so you don't even need to be final for things to work out. After 7 months of therapy, mine has never suggested a diagnostic. I did, and while she agrees, she doesn't think it's important. I don't fully agree but here you go.

>But suggesting the ideals of communism to a man would change very much. This is what I was talking about earlier.

Yes, and? You can't infantilise people and assume they're all children who shouldn't be exposed to things of your choice. The only case where someone can be dangerously influenced is when the person could be influenced by absolutely anything, a Beatles' album, birds singing, etc. Short of that, there's no more "risk" from a therapist than from a neighbour, a news anchor, etc.

I'd like to see a concrete example of the sort of risk you think people here would run by being exposed to me. One example will be enough.

>>38298361
>What do you want for your body?
To not have a beer belly

>Existential crises often hide past trauma
See, that is the thing Nick, I can't see anything being done without a reason for it being done. Everything feels like it must have an ulterior motive, a reason behind it. Making love to the woman of my dreams is to give myself pleasure, it was a special reason because she gave me the advantage of doing such and thus I took advantage of it.

>>38298426
>Trusting people is the best way to find out if you can trust someone
Sounds like an easy way to get hurt.

>Good news: most people couldn't do a tenth of the stuff you would
I always thought I was like a regular person, just loud and immature to the point I annoyed everyone. Empathy seems illogical, I can't imagine most actually doing such. There is a reason we don't have everyone lining up in soup kitchens but instead have a bunch abusing the welfare system. Everyone is about the self at the end of the day in my opinion, anything else is just to make them feel better, or deceive themselves to feel like the better person. You do these because it makes you feel good, that it is a charity, and in that it makes you feel great to offer such a thing to others. It is self-benefit, it is done to make yourself feel better.

>Stuff like me
Not sure what you mean Nick. My guard is still up, this is just 4chan and thus easier to post due to the anonymous nature.

>To love and be loved
I can't imagine that happening Nick. It is an impossibility for me. The best I can settle for is control. No female in their right mind would seek to give me pleasure, to do the things I ask, because they are too extreme. It's all fun and games until I shove Buzz Lightyear up their pussy while yelling "To infinity and beyond!". Then they contemplate their life, wonder how they got in a relationship with an autistic individual, and try to leave me. Without control, I am destined to be alone Nick, a slave is my only option.

>>38298354
>I was making a joke. 4chan is only used for cheap, degenerate laughs.

4chan is a plaftorm that allows you to do anything you want. You're responsible for your use of it. It's so much easier to blame 4chan for what you do here. Look how I use it. I've used it to do such different things. I've had long theological debate, I've done fitness, I've done advice, etc. If you want degenerate laughs, then that's what you'll get, but you can't act like that's all 4chan has to offer. It offers what you have to give. It's the words and images you post, and that can be anything.

>I think you are right. I was so inhibited by my parents that being as disinhibited as to drink a bottle of vodka is actually comforting.

I'd say you weren't able to build yourself the way normal people do. That made finding your place difficult, especially if you didn't feel worthy of having such a place in the world, which I guess you feel quite painfully. That block alone will keep you from most of the good stuff in life.

>>38298459

Tell me how long do those cycles last. If they last for weeks and months, read about bipolar. If the cycles aren't triggered by specific events, definitely consider bipolarity.

If that's what it is, it may not have to do with your past so much, though you may combine issues. Sorry for the late response, I'm running late already.

>>38298476
>Why does she want to be free?

Why do you? Why do you want not to be controlled by others? Simply because that's frightening, you never know what your master might do to you, right? And if you were her, your master would be the kind of man who'd blind you, defean you, remove your limbs, to make sure you remain their plaything.

Do you see the problem here? You are literally scared of what you literally are.

>>38298476
>Why should I care about what she wishes when she doesn't care about my need for a slave?

How do you know she doesn't care? You're the one who doesn't care, don't assume everyone is like you, because they aren't.

>everyone else had power over me a lot longer?

If you want justice, take it out on the right person, not someone innocent. That's how mental illness goes from generation to generation. You would do the same thing to your own children because it was done to you. You'd pass it on.

>The problem Nick is that her desire to be free conflicts with my desire to have a slave to begin with.

That's why you change your desire and make it normal: desire to be in a relationship with someone, freely, for both of you.

>because the community gets upset you have it.

The community isn't a person. There are laws against slavery, but it still happens, and most people don't care that much about it. If you'd rather sacrifice the life of someone else for your own pleasure, then you still have a lot of work to do, but we'll get to it.

> I am not sacrificing my happiness Nick.

Indeed, you're sacrificing the happiness of others.

>>38298580
>childhood
Childhood was unextraordinary aside from having a handicapped brother.
>family relationship
Uncomfortable at times but on the whole healthy.

>>38298687
No need to apologize, I just kinda wanted to vent anyways. I was thinking about bipolar (the lows can last for weeks), my notebook makes it really seem that way.

Thanks for hearing me out guys. Sometimes its good just to vent ya know?

>>38298476
>Not really. I still have the slave. She just has been modified to never leave me. Deaf, dumb, and blind amputee victims are still quite arousing Nick.

Well, for what it's worth, here's what such a slave would do to me.

I'd feel horrible just imagining being that person. The torment of living like this would be too much for me. The very thought of it, right now, is making me anxious. I watched Johnny Got His Gun, and read the book, and it's still an intense fear of mine. I could never do it to anyone. There's absolutely nothing arousing about such a tortured existence.

What you don't seem to realise is that you never own anyone. Maybe on the surface it looks like it, but all the power you can have over someone is worth nothing compared to that person's desire to be with you.

>>38298619
>>38298501
>My courses included social anthropology (the one I liked best, despite the bullshit), sociology in general, and something like "political sociology".

I study History and it involves theories from Sociology, Political Science and Psychology. What is it that you studied in Social Sciences?

>>38298501
>Having been able to see my own blind spots is how I know that such amazing things exist.

You don't realise that you are making claims in a style of a conman? You are uniquely bad, so you have experiences that will help anyone reach the enlightenment you have reached? I'm sorry, but you have a lot more learning to do.

>>38298566
>Do you know what exposure therapy is?

Yes. You cannot do that on a fucking internet forum. You cannot expose the patient to his fears without hearing directly from him what his fears are, anyway.

>>38298566
>The idea that the therapist should be a machine and never show emotions or even opinions is outdated and doesn't work well, for reasons I could explain in details, if you want.

That is not at all what I meant. Often times patients can have sexual fixations with the therapist because of their accepting nature (they listen to the patient's deepest and darkest problems). A truly impressive therapist would go as far as to discuss these sexual fixations. Unfortunately we see too many like yourself with a tremendous amount of projections needed to be resolved. Psychotherapy is truly an infantile field of study.

>>38298566
>That is untrue

You know nothing of Psychology then

>>38298476
>I don't need love.

False. You cut off everything that would let you need love, but that's different from not needing love. It's like having a tourniquet on a limb with a huge wound. Since you're not healed, removing that tourniquet would make you bleed to death, so you can't need love now. But you can't feel anything in that limb anymore either. It all works together.

>I need control.

True, but that's just your substitute for love. Control offers you safety and peace, but only of a quality much lower than what love can give. Love can give you such peace that not even death scares you anymore.

> I can't get unconditional love.

You will, when you are healed.

Just like your defenses do more harm than good, your need for control gives you more insecurity than if you let it go.

>>38298580

You got it wrong! That's what I would ask if I detected potential trauma, but in this case, it may be something else.

>>38298661
>To not have a beer belly

Then you simply need to burn fat. Fat is just stored energy. You ate more calories than you needed, so the excess got stored as fat on your body. In most men, the fat goes to the belly, where it serves as a defence of sorts. To lose that, you need to burn fat all around. To do this, you simply need to eat less calories than you burn on a daily basis. To do that, weigh yourself every morning after peepeepoopoo, write it down on your calendar, then write down every calorie you eat and drink. That way, each day you have your weight and the calories consumed. You can see how it works together, and choose a cap for your daily calories, and not eat over that. If your weight doesn't go down, lower the cap by 200. Try it for a week. If you don't see results, keep lowering the cap. Always count all your calories.

Doing this will get you rid of your beer belly.

>>38298706
>Why do you?
Because I have a passion for free will, specifically the fact that I can do anything without repercussions. Being a prisoner of society means I actively get punished for my whims. I don't wish for it because I entirely conflict with it. The female could be a natural submissive and thus entirely different from me.

>Simply because that's frightening
Not so much frightening as frustrating. Not due to what they do to you, that doesn't matter, but how they inhibit you to do what you want. You run around the office one time clucking like a chicken and you get fired. What is unfair is when there is no social expediencies and yet I still run into walls. I get to listen to my music in the car, only to be screamed at for nearly breaking the seat. I get told I can ask someone anyone, but they get offended as soon as I ask a personal question. They say they want to be raped, but freak out when I try to rape them. I just want to be able to do things and not be hit on the head for it.

But if I was her, I would be a natural submissive due to that being what the white room had given, unless I had gotten ripped off. Doesn't surprise me that the white room was a sham. Meanwhile I would accept her for her tendencies. If she wanted to throw chicken nuggies over the floor and rule over them, I would be happy. I just want someone who does what I ask, I would be clear in my instructions in the way society never was and let her thus not be be seen as a villain.

>You are literally scared of what you literally are
I would be giving her what society never could, freedom. By being my slave, she would be under my responsibility, thus have her own freedom. In all honesty, it is actually an extremely selfless move Nick. She could be free to be autistic and not be screamed at for being such. I didn't say I would abuse her, as long as she wished to stay, and I would give her what she wished. I just would ask for the same in return, which she could not give willingly.

>>38298661
>Making love to the woman of my dreams is to give myself pleasure, it was a special reason because she gave me the advantage of doing such and thus I took advantage of it.

In other words, the reason is happiness. Same with life. There's no reason to live beyond being happy. The universe and you will be friends if you're happy.

>she gave me the advantage of doing such and thus I took advantage of it.

It's weird how you don't seem able to see human interactions as anything other than trading or abusing. It's like you can't do something with someone, as equals, and both enjoy what's happening.

>>38298661
>Sounds like an easy way to get hurt.

There's an easier way to get even more hurt. Shutting out everyone.

>>38298663

>>38298663
>You're responsible for your use of it. It's so much easier to blame 4chan for what you do here. Look how I use it. I've used it to do such different things. I've had long theological debate, I've done fitness, I've done advice, etc. If you want degenerate laughs, then that's what you'll get, but you can't act like that's all 4chan has to offer. It offers what you have to give. It's the words and images you post, and that can be anything.

I agree with you. But it comes back to Poe's law unfortunately, you really can't expect much more than that. This is something I think you should realise, in addition with 'helping' people on this here forum.

>>38298663
>I'd say you weren't able to build yourself the way normal people do. That made finding your place difficult, especially if you didn't feel worthy of having such a place in the world, which I guess you feel quite painfully. That block alone will keep you from most of the good stuff in life.

Well that is quite the void to fill. How could I fill that on my own accord? Certain people unfortunately are set up for failure. I may be one of those cases.

>>38298661
>Empathy seems illogical, I can't imagine most actually doing such.

That's something you need to realise ASAP. Most people are empathic. They feel for others.

>There is a reason we don't have everyone lining up in soup kitchens but instead have a bunch abusing the welfare system.

Even unempathic people do soup kitchens, ask Facet. It doesn't mean as much as you think it does. As to abusing the system, you don't know why people do it. What of people who do it so they can afford more food for their kids?

>Everyone is about the self at the end of the day in my opinion,

What strikes me as weird is that while you claim to know we're all doomed to rot and die, you still act like being all about yourself matters. Don't you see? You'll die too, like everyone else. So why are you so focused on yourself so much? It won't make you immortal. You've already lost the game you're trying to win.

>anything else is just to make them feel better, or deceive themselves to feel like the better person.

What's wrong in feeling good about helping people? Should good things make people feel bad? Does this make sense to you? And if someone helps someone else, free of charge, are they not, in fact, a good person? Is it not OK to feel like a better person, if, in fact, you are?

Homeless people prefer to be helped by people w enjoy it, and whenever people enjoy doing something, they do it far better. It's win-win. There's no rational reason to complain about this.

>>38298754
>How do you know she doesn't care?
If she does, why is she putting so much effort to not being my slave? Communicate what I am doing wrong, tell me what to fix, don't just kill the entire plant on some random whim. I am willing to do what society doesn't do, work on a problem, I just ask for acceptance in return.

>Take it out on the right person
She was part of society Nick until she was forced into slavery. She would be just as bad if she returned to society. She is far from innocent.

>That's why you change your desire
Why should I change my desire? If that is the case, she should have to change hers and thus continue being my slave. Otherwise it isn't being fair Nick. Her wish is unfair. I have offered a route out.

>If you'd rather sacrifice the life of someone else for your own pleasure
As I said, I would shoot a baby for money if I was sure there was no legal repercussions. That is one of the biggest problems Nick, my fear of the law. It inhibits my freedom. Yet you don't see them negotiating. Why should I have to be the one to change in both a slave or a free position? It isn't fair to me if I always have to change, someone should have to change for me.

>Sacrificing the happiness of others
Better others than me Nick. I deserve some happiness.

>>38298661
>Not sure what you mean Nick. My guard is still up, this is just 4chan and thus easier to post due to the anonymous nature.

Yes, because we play it safe. Still, you let me in on very intimate things and we discuss it. That's letting your guard down, even if it's in safe way. It still counts.

>I can't imagine that happening Nick. It is an impossibility for me. The best I can settle for is control. No female in their right mind would seek to give me pleasure, to do the things I ask, because they are too extreme.

That's why you need to heal yourself. Get on the level of healthy people.

> Without control, I am destined to be alone Nick, a slave is my only option.

You're a slave to control, Coats. You've made yourself the slave already.

>>38298779
>Sometimes its good just to vent ya know?

That's the birth of psychology, around 1850. Some famous doctor found out that when his patients talked about their symptoms, the symptoms got less intense. That's how it all started.

Arguably, what priests did in the confessional, provided the priest was any good, is comparable.

>>38299035
>Arguably, what priests did in the confessional, provided the priest was any good, is comparable.

You say this, but you have n guage of how good YOU actually are. The kind of advicie you're offering is not that of a therapist. In fact, a therapist should never give any 'advice'.

I appreiate what you're doing, it is very selfless, but you really should sort yourself out before you give any advice whatsoever. This is coming from someone who is very messy.

>>38298784
>Worth nothing compared to that person's desire to you
I agree with you there Nick, but the problem is that true desire would be the willingness to, just for once, change for me instead of the other way around. The problem is that nobody would change for me, even you say it like I need to change for everyone else, be everyone else's cuck. This is what bothers me about my situation Nick, I just want someone willing to change for me for once. But I cannot get that, nobody would dare to do that, and would expect me to always change for them. I have been put on the bottom of the coat rack

You keep suggesting it like I have the option between control and love. The problem is that I have already admitted to myself that I can never have love, if I do I will lose it just as quickly as the slave wants to be free. Everyone wants to leave me Nick, everyone wants to leave because they demand that I change and I get sick of changing.

It isn't fair Nick. I am being expected to service humanity by constantly changing to the point that even when the rules are defined I am in the wrong, but yet nobody is ever expected to change for me.

>>38298791
>What is it that you studied in Social Sciences?

I answered that somewhere else already. You'll have read it by now.

>You don't realise that you are making claims in a style of a conman?

I don't see how. It's like saying: I've experienced breaking a muscle, so I know how one can break a muscle doing the wrong thing.

>You are uniquely bad

Not sure what you mean here.

> I'm sorry, but you have a lot more learning to do.

It appears you only ask those questions as traps, and now you're upset because it didn't work as planned. If I had "a lot more learning to do", you would teach me, not just tell me there's more to learn. That's what teachers do, they teach.

Knowing how mental blind spots work is indeed useful, and experience has shown me how common it is. I see it all the time and efficiently work with it. You can't reproach me with anything here.

>Yes. You cannot do that on a fucking internet forum.

Which is exactly what I said. I said I could only suggest it, but not do it, since I'm not there in person. Not sure why you're getting upset.

>You cannot expose the patient to his fears without hearing directly from him what his fears are, anyway.

Yes, and? I don't see how any of this makes sense. Telling you what a person's fears are can be done over the Internet. We do it all the time here.

>Often times patients can have sexual fixations with the therapist because of their accepting nature (they listen to the patient's deepest and darkest problems).

Just use the word, transference, and counter-transference. Unlike you and others, I don't think there's anything specific to therapy about this process. That's what happens between two humans who spend enough time being intimate. It's not automatic, either, just like anywhere else outside a therapist's office.

cont.

>>38298836
>Tourniquet
So would it be so bad to amputate someone trying to leave me Nick? I already have been mentally amputated. I am just evening out the playing field.

>Quality much lower than what love can give
When you cannot obtain the fountain of youth, you learn to settle for simpler goals. I can, in my dreams, get control over a human if a bunch of laws were changed. That is a lot easier in my mind than getting someone to love me, which I feel is impossible. I am a reject of society, nobody can love me Nick. Nobody can accept who I am. Everyone wants me to change.

I am breaking down emotionally Nick, this is what it comes down to. Someone not forcing me to change. To be happy with everything I do. Even the most accepting people will find something upsetting that they want me to change Nick, I will hurt them by saying the wrong things and then have to live with the regret of what I said. I just want clearly defined rules from the start and, beyond that, letting me do what I wish.

>Insecurity
I live in insecurity Nick. It is just another form of my pessimism. It doesn't help when everyone expects me to change.

>>38298791

>A truly impressive therapist would go as far as to discuss these sexual fixations.

Truly impressive? That's an extremely standard thing to do. Most laymen know of it, and so most patients are familiar with the concept as well. In other words, there's nothing impressive about knowing and dealing with a concept that most of the patients know about without having studied it. Besides, many therapists prefer not to explore that territory as it can disrupt therapy. Once you know the patient wants to fuck you, and/or vice versa, things aren't the same. Many therapies stop right there, and many patients choose their therapist with regards to that. If the therapist is someone they can fall in love with, they choose another. It's a common practice.

>Unfortunately we see too many like yourself

Who's "we" and who is "too many like yourself"? Are you part of some team? Where else do you see "others like myself"? That's a bit ridiculous. You didn't keep your cover for very long. And yes, I know you used to troll around these parts. It's not that subtle.

> a tremendous amount of projections needed to be resolved.

Starting with your own. The only reason why you're truly upset at me is because you project your own stuff on myself. You're angry that you can't do what I do despite studying the field. Pretty sure next thing you'll do is say something like "psychology is a meme".

>Psychotherapy is truly an infantile field of study.

I wasn't too far off. Psychotherapy is not infantile in that it works. When a science works, it's mature.

>You know nothing of Psychology then

Coming from someone who thinks therapy is an infantile field of study, your opinion has little value.

>>38298891
>Because I have a passion for free will,

And others shouldn't have the same?

>The female could be a natural submissive and thus entirely different from me.

You're confused here. Natural submissives still choose to submit. It's not submission the way you understand it. Talk to any sub ever and they'll always tell you that it comes down to trust, not power. Subs love losing responsibility and being able to trust the person they give power to. They never really lose their power, they just give it to someone. In a very real way, you can say subs are more powerful than doms. They're the ones who empower dominant types.

> I just want to be able to do things and not be hit on the head for it.

Then you need to improve your understanding of others, so you know what they really want. This will come through understanding yourself first. By association, you'll know how to behave. But you can't connect to others before you connect to yourself.

>>38298883
>Weigh yourself every morning
Don't own a working scale Nick and am afraid of buying one as then my family will see I am self-conscious about my weight and get upset because I need to "man up and deal with it".

>>38298909
>No reason to live beyond being happy
In my world, the reason to live is simply because death is a worse alternative, it is better to experience something than nothing. I would rather be in Hell than have no afterlife. How am I making myself happy? My life consists of avoiding my OCD tendencies to the point I haven't even played a video game, unless you count Second Life, in the last two weeks due to my depression. I want to play Skyrim. I want to see what everyone else gets to see, gets to enjoy. Life is unfair, I don't get that luck.

>As equals
Isn't that trade Nick? I have something, you have something, we can trade and thus get a bit of enjoyment. Sex usually has one person being pleased at a time, it isn't pleasurable for both if not in porn. There is a reason why women don't want sex with men, they find it miserable, they just do it with men as a trade for, at the basic level, company with a romantic interest or reproduction.

>>38298917
How so Nick? You just don't tell people you aren't fully letting them into your world. The reason? Because they would want you to change, they can't handle your world. They will feel you are bad, objectively wrong, and thus the one in the relationship that needs to change. I am tired of being a cuck Nick. I am tired of appeasing anyone without anyone seeking to appease me.

>>38298891
>Doesn't surprise me that the white room was a sham.

So much of our exchange reminds me of Dan.

>white room is bad
>white room is dangerous, led by bad people
>OK, it's just a dog, but the dog is annoying
>the whole thing was a sham!

You do everything you can to question the value of others and other things, but you never question whether your own attitude is questionable or not.

What you want in a relationship is something an infant would want, the kind of individual that doesn't quite comprehend the existence of others.

>I would be giving her what society never could, freedom.

As you know, "society" is a red flag word for me, in most cases. You are as much society as anyone else.

>it is actually an extremely selfless move Nick.

It is actually an extremely rationalising move, Coats. It shows you do feel bad about it and need to make it better than it really is. You don't seem to realise that it's possible to be this free in a relationship where nobody needs full control on the other (which is impossible anyway).

Love has stronger bonds than any chains will ever have.

>>38298955
>I agree with you. But it comes back to Poe's law unfortunately, you really can't expect much more than that. This is something I think you should realise, in addition with 'helping' people on this here forum.

I like how you try to position yourself so far above me to give me some valuable lessons. The only problem is that I am not new to this and I know the sort of results one can hope for. Knowing this, your lessons are somewhat ridiculous to me. I expect anything anons are ready for.

>Well that is quite the void to fill. How could I fill that on my own accord? Certain people unfortunately are set up for failure. I may be one of those cases.

The only people who cannot be cured are those who don't want to be. Bar strictly biological issues. Understanding where the void comes from is a good way to start healing it.

>>38298955
>I've done advice

notice how you 'did' advice rather than gave it? You might be a narcissist, senpai.

>>38299210
>I answered that somewhere else already. You'll have read it by now.

you actually haven't. It can't be that hard to repeat the name of the social science degree you completed?

>>38299210
>you would teach me

Not necessarily, this is your ideal of the world owing you anything coming into play. very juvenile imo.

>>38299210
>I said I could only suggest it

but that is presicesly the thing you shouldn't do.

>>38299210
>I don't think there's anything specific to therapy about this process. That's what happens between two humans who spend enough time being intimate. It's not automatic, either, just like anywhere else outside a therapist's office.


Yes but it does not happen often. that is my point. Ther relationship between a therapist and a patient is a very sacred one and not something to be bandied about, it must be non-sexual, and it must be essentially impersonal. Anything derving from that is essentially another relationship, which is wrong for the ultimate purpose of therapy..

>>38298988
>If she does, why is she putting so much effort to not being my slave? Communicate what I am doing wrong, tell me what to fix,

You made that up. Not me. Just imagine a better slave.

>I am willing to do what society doesn't do, work on a problem

Really? How so?

>She was part of society Nick until she was forced into slavery. She would be just as bad if she returned to society. She is far from innocent.

You're splitting all people into "society" and "not society", where there's mostly just you. I hope you see how black and white your division is. You might as well call her a Stacy while you're at it.

If you think "society" is bad, I'd like you to elaborate.

>Why should I change my desire?

Because it goes counter to other people's desires, and so you'll never fulfill it.

>Her wish is unfair.

She wants what you want, how is that unfair?

>That is one of the biggest problems Nick, my fear of the law. It inhibits my freedom. Yet you don't see them negotiating.

Thank God. You don't seem to realise that if the law worked how you wanted, you could find yourself in the baby's position here. You'd get shot for money because some dickbag wants to make money. Surely the idea of having your own life ended because someone more powerful than you chose so doesn't sit well with you, right? The law is there to protect you and others. Stop assuming the baby is somehow outside of humanity.

>someone should have to change for me.

If you give them a reason, they do.

>Better others than me Nick. I deserve some happiness.

That's the kind of thinking that makes everything go wrong. How can you complain about having to sacrifice your happiness for others when that's exactly what you advocate?

>>38298979
>Most people are empathetic
If they are, they should change for me Nick. Nobody seems willing, therefore nobody is empathetic. I can't talk about the magical penguins in my head without people saying "What the fuck is wrong with you" or "You are acting weird, stop it". I can't have magical penguins. It is not a right I have to have magical penguins. Was there a law about there not being magical penguins? So why am I not allowed to have magical penguins?

>You don't know why people do it
Why do people have kids if they can't support them Nick. Doesn't sound that empathetic to me. If a soup kitchen isn't empathetic, than humanity is doomed entirely, that was the last bastion of empathy.

>Why are you focused on yourself so much?
Why shouldn't I try to distract myself as well as I can? While here, I should seek to try to at least get some nice distractions. Misery is not a good distraction Nick, and that happens any time I try to have fun because I do not align with society. I am expected to change because I am the odd one. Nobody can handle me Nick, everyone says they are empathetic and want to help, than they distance themselves from me or demand I change. Nobody dares change for me Nick. Plus, perhaps I am still hopeful to be proven wrong. I don't like this being the reality Nick.

>What's wrong in feeling good about helping people?
Nothing, but it is done for the benefit of the person helping, not the person being helped, at the core of the helper. People can feel whatever they want to feel. You are making it sound like what I said was judgements. I simply stated that there was a higher motive than helping the individual, that it wasn't done selflessly, for even such a selfless act is done for selfish reasons. Feel fine about it, but it isn't because people are empathetic and entirely care about another. It is because they have convinced themselves that is how they can be a good person and want to look good in society's eyes, in their own eyes.

>>38299085
>You say this, but you have n guage of how good YOU actually are.

I know exactly my worth.

>The kind of advicie you're offering is not that of a therapist. In fact, a therapist should never give any 'advice'.

From that, I can tell you've never actually been in therapy. It's amazing how you keep explaining what therapists should or shouldn't do. If you're so damn good at knowing what therapy is about, why don't you start your own thread and show us what you've got? Do it. If you're up for the challenge, the next thread is yours. I'll open it and explain that today they're having a new guy do my job and I can observe and learn from you, and we can see if it works better. Deal?

Unbeknownst to you, many of the things I use in the thread come straight from professional therapists. When I don't invent my own exercises, I use the ones I was given during therapy. Surely now you will imagine that you know better than actual therapists who've done their job for over 20 years. Right? Or "psychotherapy is just a meme."

Therapists, in fact, give advice. Lots.

>I appreiate what you're doing,

You don't, it makes you angry. So angry that you'll shitpost anonymously to vent.

> but you really should sort yourself out before you give any advice whatsoever.

Baseless accusation. If any therapist was to follow this advice, there'd be no therapists. Do you somehow believe therapists never are in therapy themselves?

>>38299468
>I like how you try to position yourself so far above me to give me some valuable lessons. The only problem is that I am not new to this and I know the sort of results one can hope for. Knowing this, your lessons are somewhat ridiculous to me. I expect anything anons are ready for.

Notice how you didn't address my points directly? You just gave an ambiguous accusation and chose not to address any of the helpful criticism's I made.

>>38299012
>We play it safe
It counts perhaps. As stated, I wish to trust, wish to believe, and so perhaps this is a route I see to give trust but also avoid risk.

>Get on the level of healthy people
See? This is exactly what I mean Nick. I am being told to change because I am not "normal". It isn't fair to me. Why can't I just be me, be accepted for being me?

>You've made yourself the slave already
Society did Nick. I never had a choice in the matter. I have no idea how to display power or intimation over others, so they easily dominate me. They can do this because laws are great at protecting the bullies. Get rid of the laws, let me do what I wish, and I could do a better risk assessment.

>>38299094
>the willingness to, just for once, change for me instead of the other way around

But Coats... when someone loves you, for real, they would do anything for you. They will move countries, they will go through any hardship for you, they'll learn a new language, etc. I know, I've had all this and more done for me, and I did just as much in return.

>even you say it like I need to change for everyone else, be everyone else's cuck

Dan, get out of this body! It's scary how closely you sound like him right now. You have to change for yourself, Coats, because if you don't, you won't be happy. Life works in such a way that being kind to yourself in a healthy way also benefits others.

> I have already admitted to myself that I can never have love,

That's a core belief you need to change. Because it's not true. You can have love. But you need to be ready.

>Everyone wants to leave me Nick, everyone wants to leave because they demand that I change and I get sick of changing.

Of course they leave you: you're terrifying! You're acting on a level that's literally like you're 2 years old but in an adult body. That's scary as fuck! People, like you, want security and safety. You don't offer that. You offer to control them, which is frightening. Yes, you have to change. Like it or not. If you're a spike and want people to sit on you, you'd better change into a cushion. You can't blame people for not wanting to stab themselves for you.

>It isn't fair Nick. I am being expected to service humanity by constantly changing to the point that even when the rules are defined I am in the wrong, but yet nobody is ever expected to change for me.

Untrue, both. Nobody expects you to service humanity. Everyone adapts to others, that's part of a relationship. People adapt. It goes both ways.

Lads, I need help. I dropped out of school a few years ago, but now I want to get my life together and join the military. I just don't know how to get my GED done, I have absolutely no motivation. I don't know what to do.

>>38299230
>Everyone wants me to change.

You want to change to. You'd not be here otherwise. Nothing to lose in changing, if it's for the better.

>I just want clearly defined rules from the start and, beyond that, letting me do what I wish.

There are, but I doubt you see them.

>I live in insecurity Nick. It is just another form of my pessimism. It doesn't help when everyone expects me to change.

Give me concrete examples of "people wanting you to change".

>>38299648
>I know exactly my worth.
And that shows your ignorance. It is better to be humble and realise you know nothing.

>>38299648
>If you're so damn good at knowing what therapy is about, why don't you start your own thread and show us what you've got?

and this is where your narcissism shows. It is no one's responsibility to uphold this general. However, it is also no one's responsibility to take it upon themselves to 'solve' the issue's of vulnerable people from some bizarre compensation for the wrongdoing of a previous relationship, Trust me, what you were doing was noble, but it is not right.


>>38299648
>You don't, it makes you angry. So angry that you'll shitpost anonymously to vent.

Read above. the only thing I'm jealous of is your drive. But trust me, you cannot help people unless you are completely sorted yourself.

>>38299329
>And others shouldn't have the same?
Is the other a normal member of society that could easily blend in? If so, no, they deserve punishment for confining me. Much like how a criminal is put in a cell, I simply am putting a woman into service for her role in society. A small victory, but a victory.

>They just give it to someone
Exactly Nick, that is what I am saying. I am saying I would have someone willing to lose responsibility and trust me with power. They change for me Nick, which is all I am asking for. Plus, in the slave argument, a natural submissive gives up the fight and decides through risk assessment it is simply easier to serve.

>Understand others so you know what they really want
Why do I want this Nick? Why can they not let me do what I want? Why do I have to do the work in all of this? You are letting this slave girl have power over me because she "shouldn't have to change". Well, why do I need to change? Why am I the one who needs to do all this work? Why can I not just be accepted for who I am and have someone happy with me?

I don't want to know how to be have, I don't want to be trained like a dog to cuck myself further, I want freedom. What you suggest isn't freedom but forcing myself to change even more so that way society can enjoy my cucking. It isn't fair Nick.

>>38299388
>Don't own a working scale Nick and am afraid of buying one as then my family will see I am self-conscious about my weight and get upset because I need to "man up and deal with it".

We've already established that your people are fucked in the head and what they think shouldn't hinder you. If you like, you can make up BS reasons for buying a scale, such as, "I want to gain some weight, I'm not bulky enough." Or you can just buy a fucking scale like most people do and not justify yourself. It doesn't bother them, so they have no reason to bother you with it. You can also buy a scale and hide it in your room.

Don't let your toxic people keep you from improving, because that's exactly what they want.

When I still spoke with my parents, the amount of times they looked down on my calorie-counting ways and everything. "It's not good to worry about your weight this much, you're not fat, bablbla." Meanwhile, they were fat themselves and eventually started dieting, doing exactly the stuff I did, but all of a sudden, it was good. It's only when others improve that it's bad and should be scorned. Don't be fooled.

I've gone and done it lads, I got a doctors appointment later this month. Wish me luck

>>38299388
>I would rather be in Hell than have no afterlife.

Then you are short on imagination.

>avoiding my OCD tendencies

Don't do that. The best way to handle this is to gradually expose yourself to them, and not obey them. If you need to touch a door twice, touch it once and let go. Gradually, even if it pisses you off.

>Isn't that trade Nick?

No. As equals just means no one has more right than the other.

> I have something, you have something, we can trade and thus get a bit of enjoyment.

In good relationships, it's not trade because both understanding that it only exists as communication. It's done together, not exchanged.

>Sex usually has one person being pleased at a time, it isn't pleasurable for both if not in porn.

That has to be the most out there statement I have ever heard from an adult about sex. This is only true if you are literally a toddler in an adult body. You have such a mechanical understand of human relations, it's crazy. You don't feel like being in someone's arms is pleasurable? You feel like unless your dick is being stimulated, you're not enjoying physical love? That sounds so outlandish to me.

Besides, you're wrong. Even the mechanical sex you think of can be pleasurable for both (even outside porn).

>There is a reason why women don't want sex with men,

Another statement from Mars. What? Women don't want sex with men? Where, when? What the fuck? They do. Not all men, maybe not you, but they do. Sometimes much more so than men themselves.

>they find it miserable, they just do it with men as a trade for, at the basic level, company with a romantic interest or reproduction.

If you believe that, you need to know that you are dead wrong. Every woman I've been with loved sex. And it wasn't to trade for anything else, it was a love of physical love. Your understanding and knowledge of women needs to upgrade really fast. No wonder they don't want to be with you: you think of them in such horrible ways.Goddam, Coats!

>>38299388
>they can't handle your world.

Sounds like those cunts who say, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE ME, BITCH." All it really means is that you're acting in ways that show no concern for others.

You need to give me exact situations, because all these abstractions won't lead us anywhere.

>>38299394
>You never question whether your own attitude is questionable or not
Because society already does that for me and I am tired of it Nick. I am frustrated with it to the point I wish to snap and show I am not a cuck. The only reason I do not is because of the laws that protect my bullies.

I understand others exist. I understand others want me to change. What I don't understand is the double standard that they never have to change and I always have to change. I am always the villain. I am always in the wrong. I am getting more fed up with people Nick.

>You are as much society as anyone else
No I am not Nick. Either I am the outcast or a cuckslave. Those are my options. Your suggestions say to cuck myself. I say society should try changing this time. For once, do something for my benefit. You want to know why I am most likely depressed? This is why, I am forced by society to be such. Yet you say they have empathy. If so, I want society to change to accept me.

>It's possible to be free in this relationship
Not when she is cucking me like everyone else. When I fly around like a bee yelling "Buzz Buzz" and she says she is sick of my antics. Love Nick is when both people give and take, when a relationship is balanced and both sides trade freedom in exchange for the happiness of the other person. Everyone else seems quite selfish in my eyes. I may sound selfish, but all I want is to not be cucked.

You know what, you have made me realize something. I am better than everyone else. I may be a pathetic cuckslave, but I am the most selfless person out there for I am the only one willing to offer a barter for my own freedom. You are welcome everyone, I am better than anyone working in a soup kitchen who Nick has confirmed is dead. Humanity is not dead, it just is living through me alone. I am an outcast because I am better than everyone else, because I am so selfless as to give as much as I get.

>>38299498
>notice how you 'did' advice rather than gave it? You might be a narcissist, senpai.

Doing advice means opening a thread in which I give advice. Surely you understand the difference. If you're going to use that expression to make it mean I'm a narcissist, you show your true power level when it comes to the things you claim to be good at. It's ridiculous.

>you actually haven't.

Yeah, I have, actually.

>It can't be that hard to repeat the name of the social science degree you completed?

That's not what you had asked. The name of the degree is called "social sciences", not one of them. Plural.

>Not necessarily, this is your ideal of the world owing you anything coming into play. very juvenile imo.

What's juvenile is how even when challenged to show your superiority, which you claim, you don't do it. I could challenge you on anything and you'd never rise up to the challenge. Because you can't, simply. Instead, you'll try to save face by focusing on me and resorting to name-calling, ad hominems, and the likes. Now that's very juvenile my young friend.

>but that is presicesly the thing you shouldn't do.

Absolutely no reason not to suggest exposure therapy to people who might benefit from it. What do you think therapists are there for? Anyone who has PTSD, I recommend that to them, if possible. That naturally means seeing a therapist in order to do it. Careful, dyslexia kicking in when you get nervous and angry.

>Yes but it does not happen often. that is my point.

But that's wrong. Just read any psychology textbook, you'll never read that it doesn't happen often. Post the source that suggests it doesn't happen often, I'm curious where you got that.

cont.

>>38299498


> Ther relationship between a therapist and a patient is a very sacred one

Are you the same guy who says psychotherapy is infantile? You can't even keep your hypocrisy in check for the same of your own argument. Besides, everything you say about it shows you don't believe that. I'm just waiting for you to call it all a meme when you get too upset.

>and not something to be bandied about, it must be non-sexual, and it must be essentially impersonal

This is how I know you're a clown. "It must be non-sexual," says who? You? How do you even know that it can always even just be non-sexual? How do you know it shouldn't be? Nothing is set in stone like that, sometimes it'll be beneficial, sometimes not.

As to impersonal, again, that's very, very outdated, and I don't think there are many therapists who still function that way. Learn to Carl Rodgers. And even that isn't recent. You keep talking out of your ass and can't prove anything.

Here's an example to prove you wrong, and I don't expect an intelligible answer from you.

cont.

>>38299572
>Just imagine a better slave
Simple, one who doesn't wish to leave and is happy with the situation of being a slave. They are doing what they want in life, which is to be selfless and which is something that can be imagined as they can transcend normal human wishes, and I can use them as a selfish balloon to balance out my stress for being selfless entirely for society.

>How so?
If she told me she had a problem with being a slave, we could find the reasoning behind it and make it better for her benefit. In return, she would please me and give me whatever I asked for that was not part of that reasoning, not part of her limits.

>If you think society is bad, I'd like you to elaborate
Society is made up of a collective body of individuals who have decided upon what is normal. Anything outside of their box is abnormal and to cause them to be upset. It is black and white Nick, for it is me versus them. Society is the enemy for society seeks to cuck me, to change me to the point I cannot even recognize myself, when I simply wish to be as much as an individual as any other. I cannot ask for love or any of that, I simply ask for acceptance and to stop hindering me in my own existence. If you cannot accept something about me, be willing to change yourself. That is all I ask Nick, that others be as willing to change as much as they want me to change. As it stands, it is a one-way street where I am giving but not receiving to the point I am fed up with it. I have been Santa Claus for 22 years, I want someone else to at least put out some milk and cookies. But, no, it is just expected that I deliver presents.

>Because it goes counter to other people's desires
Then someone should be willing to change for me, else everyone else's desires are being fulfilled while I am being left depressed and unhappy.

>She wants what you want
She is the enemy and I have given her more than I have myself. I would be fine being a slave if I could be an individual.

>>38299498

cont.

Suppose you're in therapy. And your therapist is the sort you think is best: impersonal, non-sexual, etc. Your problematic is, as often, that you have abuse and trauma in your past and you don't realise it. You think your childhood was normal, etc. Nothing out of the ordinary. Or so you think.

So you tell your therapists about events in your childhood which you think aren't all that weird because X and Y. In truth, what you're telling your therapist is terrifying, but you don't know it because you've known nothing else, you have n perspective.

Your therapist, being old school in a 1920's way, doesn't react. Impersonal, poker-faced. The result is that when you tell him your father strangled you when you were ten to show you who was boss, your therapist's reaction - none - makes you think what you shared is indeed completely normal. Nothing to signal. That, obviously, is not good therapy. Normalising abuse isn't the goal of any therapy, it's exactly the opposite.

Therapists need to be balanced human beings who react normally to what they're told. Patients benefit enormously from healthy reactions. I do this a lot in the thread. Coats and Dan can both tell you how they're surprised at my reactions. It shows them something is missing in their understanding of their own situations, and gradually, they understand more. Since I'm in therapy myself, I've experienced this both ways, and it works.

Your beliefs on what therapy should be go back to almost a century ago. It works better now.

>>38300098
>you show your true power level when it comes to the things you claim to be good at. It's ridiculous.
>>you actually haven't.
ad hominem

>>38300098
>Doing advice means opening a thread in which I give advice. Surely you understand the difference.
ofc I do. that is why I am against what you do. You paint yourself up as some psychotherapist who know's the world, when in fact psychology is such a youthful academic field,

>>38299498
>Anything derving from that is essentially another relationship, which is wrong for the ultimate purpose of therapy..

Again, any therapist will tell you that therapy IS a relationship, poophead. In very many cases, the therapist replaces a partner, and offers a benevolent presence, one you can trust 100%, someone who will help you, someone you can trust. For many people, that is necessary to move forward, feeling unconditional love when you have never known it. Of course, it's not romantic love (though sometimes it gets very close), but it's unconditional. Again, Rogers. A good therapist will always be on their patient's side, even if they have their own opinion, even if they disagree. That's another thing I do. I've talked with rapists here, and was able not to shit on them for it, while making sure they understood how heinous their acts were.

>>38300150
>Are you the same guy who says psychotherapy is infantile? You can't even keep your hypocrisy in check for the same of your own argument. Besides, everything you say about it shows you don't believe that. I'm just waiting for you to call it all a meme when you get too upset.

no but I hold the samw opinion,

You shouldn't get so annoyed when someone challenges yoour views, it is bad.

I feel like I'm growing up too fast, Nick. It feels like yesterday when I was in 5th grade :(

>>38299572
>The law is there to protect you and others
You are implying that if someone didn't want me dead, they wouldn't make me dead. The only reason I am not is because I am a nobody to society, a pathetic cuck to laugh at. "Haha, laugh at the retard kids". That is the only reason nobody dares kill me, if I died tomorrow nobody would throw a parade simply because nobody cares that I exist. Nobody cares about my selflessness. I would shoot a baby because the baby would grow up to shoot me if it benefited it. It simply does not, I simply do not matter. The baby had it better than me, at least the baby mattered enough to be shot.

>If you give them a reason, they do
No they don't Nick. If I shove Buzz Lightyear up a woman's pussy, your reaction was to have ME change because that is not what society at large wants. If you want me to not make snow angels in the middle of the living room, you should accept going to infinity and beyond. But no, the woman would get upset about snow angels and then get upset about Buzz Lightyear. If a slave got upset by Buzz Lightyear, I simply shove in Woody, and the problem should be resolved and I still get my happiness. I could reach compromises more with a slave than anyone else.

>How can you complain
Because I am fed up of it not going the other way Nick. I am defensive and wish it to go my way because they won't give what they wish. Why can't they give me what they advocate? Tell me what you don't want, I tell you what I don't want, we work together as a team. Instead I am just being told what others don't want and expected to change to "better myself".

Do you see the problem Nick? I just get angry with playing ball with people that always hog it for themselves and society at large does that.

Apparently lacking empathy is a good thing as it means you are more willing to trade with another.

>>38299611
>If they are, they should change for me Nick. Nobody seems willing, therefore nobody is empathetic.

You're bending logic like a 2-dollar whore. Empathy doesn't mean people will do what you want. Having slaves is not what you need, Coats.

> It is not a right I have to have magical penguins.

Error: you have the right, but you don't have the possibility, because magical penguins don't exist. It's completely different.

>Why do people have kids if they can't support them Nick. Doesn't sound that empathetic to me.

Who said empathy had to do with it? Not all people get kids for the right reasons. Like yours, or mine.

> If a soup kitchen isn't empathetic, than humanity is doomed entirely, that was the last bastion of empathy.

It's not. Empathy is not an act; soup kitchen is. Empathic people don't always want to be exposed to their own empathy, because it hurts.

>Nothing, but it is done for the benefit of the person helping, not the person being helped,

Error: it goes together. If the person being helped doesn't like it, the helper won't like it either. Their happiness is the same thing. Enjoying others' joy, literally. It's the most beautiful thing in existence.

> for even such a selfless act is done for selfish reasons.

Selfish is when people do things for themselves at the expense of others. While not "selfless," these acts aren't selfish. Nothing is done at the expense of others, to the contrary, it's done to the benefit of others, which is what helpers like. If my thread did nothing but piss off people, I wouldn't keep doing it. See, things working as intended and enjoying it goes hand in hand.

cont.

The days fly by and I don't get to really enjoy them anymore. Im growing up too fast

>>38299611


>It is because they have convinced themselves that is how they can be a good person and want to look good in society's eyes, in their own eyes.

You're mistaken. Nobody in society knows what I do here. As to looking good in your own eyes, I'm past that sort of ego. My life experience prevents me from having much pride, so that's not it either. I literally do it because I like helping people. It's an absolute joy to me.

>>38299652

I did address every single point you made.

>helpful criticism's

I laughed a bit. It's neither criticism nor helpful. And that's not how you spell that word. Like I said, when you get upset, your dyslexia goes up. This also gives you away when you're anonymously shitposting. Just a tip.

>>38299681
>See? This is exactly what I mean Nick. I am being told to change because I am not "normal". It isn't fair to me. Why can't I just be me, be accepted for being me?

That's Dan-like. Yes, you have to change! I'm not going to tell you otherwise, Coats. Most people would do well to change, in various ways. It is fair to you because change would benefit YOU more than anyone else!

It's like you're saying, "No, I don't want to CHANGE my bank account, it's not fair! Don't give me MORE money, for fuck's sake, you assholes! Why is it always MY bank account that needs more money?"

Why do you think change is always a bad thing?

>Society did Nick.

More like your mother did, Coats. Society didn't raise you. Society didn't choke you, society didn't throw the cat. Society didn't break your favourite toy.

>>38299733
>I just don't know how to get my GED done,

Tutors? Evening classes? Online classes? I'm not familiar with your system enough to be of good advice here. Maybe other anons can help.

I'm sure you can complete this stuff by correspondence somehow.

>>38299761
>And that shows your ignorance. It is better to be humble and realise you know nothing.

I know what I can do. It's better to know your strengths and weaknesses than dumbly assume you know nothing. This isn't philosophy, no Socrates up in this bitch (did you even know who you were getting that from?).

Being humble isn't the opposite of knowing what you can do.

Again, I challenge you to either open your own thread and link me afterwards, or literally run one of my own.

Are you up for that challenge?

>>38299723
>When someone loves you, for real, they would do anything for you
Exactly Nick. This is fantasy for me, nobody can accept me. They just demand, expect, and refuse to compromise themselves.

>You have to change for yourself
Why would I want to do that Nick? Because I don't fit in with a selfish society that is beneath me? I wish for companionship of a being that is above society, not one that is going to play its games. I am willing to change. Now I just need to find someone also willing to do such or willing to entirely accept me.

>You can have love. But you need to be ready
You mean you need to change to conform to society's notion of love. It isn't love Nick when they keep demanding I change. To Infinity and Beyond or Reach to the Sky, she needs to make her choice. She wants nothing shoved in her pussy, fine, we can shove them in her asshole. But set limits and stick by those limits. If you wish me to change a limit, bend one of your own limits.

>You can't blame people for not wanting to stab themselves for you
Then that person isn't worth the effort Nick. Either accept me for me, or change into a pelican when I change into a cushion. Don't just demand I change into a cushion for the good of "society" without there being some give in the give-take relationship.

>It goes both ways
At what point Nick. Explain one way that any other has adapted to me, has sacrificed even one thing about themselves for my benefit. As I see it, they get bothered and demand I change. Well, Santa Claus is being cucked and his holly jolly spirit is dead, you all killed him.

At this point Nick it is me or them. They refuse to change, so I fight to preserve myself. They lower their weapons, I shall lower my own. Until then we are at war.

>>38299761
>and this is where your narcissism shows.

Calling you on your bluff is narcissism? How do you even rationalise on that one?

>It is no one's responsibility to uphold this general.

Yes, it's mine.

>However, it is also no one's responsibility to take it upon themselves to 'solve' the issue's of vulnerable people from some bizarre compensation for the wrongdoing of a previous relationship,

It's the responsibility of those who choose to. There's zero logic in your comment there, a total non sequitur. The question you are asked is this: can you prove you aren't a pathetic fool bluffing your way around by actually running a thread and doing what I do?

>Trust me, what you were doing was noble, but it is not right.

You are in no position to tell me what to do. You can't do it yourself, and that's why you're so pissed off at me.

It is right to help others. Not that it matters to you, I could send you over 12 people telling you how helpful it was to them, you'd not change your opinion one bit, because you aren't interested in truth. You're cowardly interested in trying to prove right your own belief, because, short of that, you'd feel like shit.

Sorry man, you're going to have to feel like shit.

>>38299761
>Read above. the only thing I'm jealous of is your drive. But trust me, you cannot help people unless you are completely sorted yourself.

Then how come I'm doing it? Nobody is ever "completely sorted out".

You remind me of my father when his excuse not to play a musical instrument was, "You need to know how to read music." It's just an excuse. Hendrix never knew how to read music.

Ask yourself why you keep coming to the thread, honestly. Ask yourself and tell me.

>>38299785
>I simply am putting a woman into service for her role in society.

If you ever wonder why you're alone, here's why.

>Why do I want this Nick? Why can they not let me do what I want?

For the same reason you don't let them do what they want. It goes both ways. Is it really that hard to understand that other people are people too, like you?

>Why am I the one who needs to do all this work?

Because you are the messed up one, Coats. You think it's OK to rape a woman if you give her a salad afterwards!

>I don't want to know how to be have, I don't want to be trained like a dog to cuck myself further, I want freedom. What you suggest isn't freedom but forcing myself to change even more so that way society can enjoy my cucking. It isn't fair Nick.

I'll need to tackle you and Dan together. It's the exact same deal for both of you here: it's not fair, I'm treated like a cuck, etc.

Stop getting focused on what's "fair", and focus on what can be improved. If you don't, you'll be like Dan and stay stuck. You'll feel righteous, but you'll have nothing you want and need.

>>38299810

Good news! It's the right choice.

>>38299963
>Because society already does that for me

Who the fuck is "society"? Be precise. Stop using that word, it means nothing.

> I wish to snap and show I am not a cuck.

Is your wife sleeping with another men whose children you are raising now? If not, then you're not a cuck.

With your meaning of it, the only person cucking you is yourself.

>my bullies.

Get your own place! Get a room-mate, there are ways, you don't have to stay where you are.

>What I don't understand is the double standard that they never have to change and I always have to change.

That's BS, everyone is asked to change. That's what school is for. Everyone is asked to improve, change, get better, and that's good. It's not like you have to. It's legal to give up.

>I say society should try changing this time

This is going to be Dan II.

>am forced by society to be such. Yet you say they have empathy. If so, I want society to change to accept me.

Be precise, who forces you to do what? Having empathy doesn't mean caring about you. It means having the ability to care about you, but if you act like a dick, as with the rape/salad combo, then people will remove their empathy from you. Humans don't have unlimited empathy, or they'd die. They focus it on selected people. If you want to be the object of such empathy, you have to show that you deserve it, by showing empathy too. If you rape/salad around, nobody will give you anything.

>>38299963
>When I fly around like a bee yelling "Buzz Buzz" and she says she is sick of my antics.

When you what...

>>38299963
>You know what, you have made me realize something. I am better than everyone else. I may be a pathetic cuckslave, but I am the most selfless person out there for I am the only one willing to offer a barter for my own freedom. You are welcome everyone, I am better than anyone working in a soup kitchen who Nick has confirmed is dead. Humanity is not dead, it just is living through me alone. I am an outcast because I am better than everyone else, because I am so selfless as to give as much as I get.

Holy shit, we've reached new heights of... I don't even know. I can't even list the various wrongful things you've done here.

>>38300171
>Society is made up of a collective body of individuals who have decided upon what is normal.

Hardly. Most people have two legs, it's normal, nobody decided jackshit about it. 99% of the norms are like this. If not more. The norm is purely mathematical, by definition, it's not chosen. People dont choose norms, they follow them. Sometimes it's arbitrary, sometimes it's mandatory, but hardly anyone ever chooses.

You keep saying others don't want to change. How? Be precise.

Who asks you to change, to what?

>>38300273
>ad hominem

How the hell is that an ad hominem? You're one of those people who don't understand definitions. Ad hominem isn't EVERYTHING about the person, it's only when it's not justified.

>Her opinion doesn't count because she's a woman.

That's an ad hominem. If you claim to know therapy and how it works, but refuse to do it when asked to show your skills, I'm perfectly allowed to call you out on your bluff. Logical fallacies aren't magic spells you can use in an argument. You still have to argue.

Bottom line: you keep declining the challenge, revealing your bravado to be nothing but bluff.

>that is why I am against what you do.

You change your mind again? Before you were saying it was noble, now you're against it, in 10 minutes it'll be something else. I repeat: your problem here has to do with yourself. You can't stand what I'm doing because you wish you could do it. You don't have the balls to try and do it yourself, so, instead, you're going to come to my thread and shit all over the place.

> You paint yourself up as some psychotherapist who know's the world,

I know the world, yes. Not everyone is as young as you. I've met hundreds of people in my life and dealt with countless situations. Yes, I know the world.

>when in fact psychology is such a youthful academic field,

As I told you before, as soon as you can't hold your bullshit against me in person, you'll default to attacking psychology in general. I called it.

cont.

>>38300273

It's not that youthful. It's over a century old, which makes it much older than plenty of more recent fields. The age of a field isn't relevant to its efficiency, unless you want to argue that astrology is more efficient because it's older than astronomy. I'm sure you wouldn't. If you like logical fallacies, check this one out: argumentum ad antiquitatem. Appeal to tradition, or "older is better". It's just a fallacy, there's nothing logical about it. Something old can be great, or shit, and it has no influence on anything. If it's great, it's great as soon as it's used, and if it sucks, same deal.

Just give up trying to show how you're so knowledgeable about psychology when you don't know the basics of it. Besides, you're way more youthful than psychology itself.

Your arguments are all ridiculous. You're making a fool of yourself. Stop whenever you want. I'm not here to humiliate you.

>>38300318
>You shouldn't get so annoyed when someone challenges yoour views, it is bad.

Projecting, much? There's absolutely nothing in my post that suggests I'm annoyed (or challenged).

Friend, when I point out something that doesn't work in your rhetoric, that doesn't mean I'm "annoyed" or "challenged", it means something doesn't make sense in your rhetoric.

Also, dyslexia alert, you're losing your cool again:

>no but I hold the samw opinion,
>samw

I know those letters are real close together, but if you typed less nervously, you'd be fine. Chillax.

>>38300405

How old are you now?

>You are implying that if someone didn't want me dead, they wouldn't make me dead.

Yeah, that sounds like a safe bet, wouldn't you think?

>I would shoot a baby because the baby would grow up to shoot me if it benefited it

Wrong. You're rationalising around to justify your own evil ways.

>If I shove Buzz Lightyear up a woman's pussy, your reaction was to have ME change because that is not what society at large wants

Yeah, she's allowed to have her own desires when it comes to her own pussy, no? If you had the degree of control you want on a woman, you'd literally have her as part of your own body, and would essentially be just masturbating. Don't you realise that?

>>38300406

I'm stopping here to work out. Be back in quite some time, keep bumping.

Drunkanon, feel free to be the therapist while I'm gone, so I can see what you've got. Don't pussy out and prove me right.

See ya.

Hello everyone!

An early thread today. So what did I miss?

>>38299750
>You want to change too
I want to change in what I in particular deem necessary to change through evaluation of my own self through the aid of another individual. That is different from simply being forced to change because others do not approve.

>I doubt you see them
I see the fact we have a legal system. What rule is there against me crabwalking everywhere I go Nick?

>Concrete examples
Let's see...
>You want me to change my "not normal" behavior to blend in with society
>My father believes the exact same thing
>My mother could care less about that, but would get mad because I walked too heavy
>I once spammed a place with virtual chickens and got yelled at for being immature. Spent my time being a bored administrator there who wasn't allowed to host events.
>I was told by the school board to write about nicer things instead of the dark stuff I liked to write about, thus killing my passion
>A friend I had said they were heavily sexual, then got upset when I did a hardcore rape RP scene with them, killing my passion to be free to let my mind wander in my stories.
>The NEETs get mad if I make any loud noise, so I cannot play guitar, which killed my passion for it.

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I have a very strange problem.

You see, I'm a regular person, but lately i've been feeling increasingly strange. I attribute it to the myriad of wonderful things that I put into my coffee, using a french press to get optimal coffee taste. The japanese don't drink coffee much, but as an italian i feel the need to be different from japanese society and to deintegrate the values that most animals (including birds) are raised on, which is why Obama won his election during his time. I swear, people are blind yo kbow the truth, especially dogs and cats and when your entire town is mentally attacking you, I can only hope that you're wearing sunglasses.

Seriously, nowadays kids problems make me lol hard.

>>38299806
>You can make a BS reason for buying a scale
They don't want me gaining weight, they call me fat already
>Buy a scale like most people do
Easier said when you are not dependent on your father for rides and live in your grandparent's house.
>It doesn't bother them, so they have no reason to bother you with it
Neither does hopping a fence on the way home from school, but the school had to threaten to call the police on me over that one.
>You can buy a scale and hide it
No good. I share my bedroom with my father, most of the stuff in it is his. He doesn't come down often, but it is still his room.

>Don't let toxic people keep you from improving
Everyone is toxic in that mindset. Society is my enemy Nick. Not just my parents. Society at large. The world is my enemy Nick.

>>38301340
>Everyone is toxic in that mindset. Society is my enemy Nick. Not just my parents. Society at large. The world is my enemy Nick.
I'm gonna interject here a little, because this hits close to home. Why do you think the society is your enemy?

LO's gonna have my baby, LO's gonna have my baby~
haha

>>38299937
>Then you are short on imagination
Why so? To have some consciousness and be tortured forever is still better than no consciousness at all. They just need to lock me in a room and make me need to feed my OCD tendencies.

>Gradually
So what is gradually for me Nick? How do I get out of this mess?

>It's done together, not exchanged
I do not follow. How does one cooperate with another human without exchanging? It sounds illogical.

>Being in someone's arms is pleasurable?
No it isn't Nick, it is for the benefit of the holder, not the one being held. It is hot against the other person, the compression is stressful, it is like confining yourself in a box. Why would someone willingly do that? Because they get the trade of confining the other person in a similar box.

>Your dick is being stimulated
Not necessarily. I can be fine shoving action figures up a woman's pussy as you see. The woman that lets me do that must love me. Ergo, it is a great test of love. If she lets me get the entire cast of Toy Story inside her, either she really loves Toy Story or loves me. How can mechanical sex be pleasurable for both Nick?

>Women don't want sex with men
They do outside of a marriage. Inside the marriage, they will cheat with other guys because they feel their husband is some weird autist that loves shoving action figures up them. Let met guess, that sounds reasonable for her to do and I shouldn't be doing it? Well, what if she whistles throughout the day. Should I be selfless by handling that then or should I scream at her to shut up? But no, she wants to whistle and not be Buzz Lightyeared.

>You think of them in such horrible ways
They do it to themselves. I bet Zurg could get shoved up their pussy by Chad. Then again, I don't believe in the Chad meme, every robot can get a girl besides me. I am the reject of the rejects in society's eyes, no girl respects my desires, so why should I respect her?

>>38299954
For example, if I reveal I am a male LARPing as a female, I get males angry at me.

For example, if I get invited to a club, they don't want me running around and blowing pretend blow darts at everyone.

For example, I lost a friend because they thought they were more kinky than me until I told them about men made entirely out of jello raping their character.

I lost another friend because they couldn't handle me dancing to my music and thought I was fapping to them.

I lost another friend because they asked me to write a document for a Babydoll event and I wrote up an advertisement for mauling apart mobs of 5 year old girls while raping them, traumatizing them to the point that they remain as still as dolls.

Nobody likes anything I do. Why am I always supposed to change? Why can't people accept what I do? I accept other people, nobody accepts me.

What's the craic today boys?

>>38301768
i got LO pregnant, that's pretty neat haha

>>38301768
The Irish don't deserve to live desu

>>38300439
>Empathy doesn't mean people will do what you want
Empathy means they can understand and feel my sentiments. My sentiments are to work together in harmony, being selfless with one another. That isn't what people are Nick.

>You don't have the possibility
No, everyone will specifically start yelling at me and saying to shut up if I start yelling about the magical penguins attacking my head. I would be fired for such an act.

>Who said empathy had anything to do with it
It means they are not empathetic towards their kids as they are risking their kids lives.

>Because it hurts
If you don't expose it, you might as well not have it. You thought I was a psychopath when it turns out I have more empathy than most. I am the last hope for humanity somehow, yet living on a world where nobody else has it.

>If the person being helped doesn't like it
They will justify it as being the mental issues of the person being helped and demand they change.

>Nothing is done at the expense of others
To create this thread you had to kill another thread, thus killing someone's masterpiece. To post here, you have to limit your own post count and thus limit how much more help you can offer. A lot is done at the expense of others, it is a matter of picking risks and choosing the greatest reward. If you were fully selfless, you would never go offline and would be doing these threads 24/7. But you have concern about maintaining yourself first. None of this is in any way bad, as society might make you think, but selfishness is indeed a trait everyone has.

>>38300452
I cannot understand how you got past your pride. When I see someone helping another, it only makes sense that they are doing it to feel like they are being a better person. For example, you haven't dismissed Heaven, so perhaps this is your ticket there. You wouldn't make these threads if there was zero benefit to yourself.

>>38301860
Well ye'll not be seein' me pot o gold. More likely the head o' me shellelagh

>>38300531
>Most people would do well to change
I agree. They change, I change. Until they do, why should I? Who says society should be entitled to stay the way it is?

Simply put, because change to blend better in society is not good change. That is just becoming a bland drone among a mass that wants you to shut up about your autistic thoughts. I am above that Nick. I seek to change my depression, not limit my freedom even more.

Change isn't always bad. What you are suggesting is bad. Society is bad. You want me to be part of society. Ego, it's bad.

>Society didn't raise you
My parents are part of society Nick. They did it as a collective unit.

>>38300746
>If you wonder why you are alone
I am alone because every woman is part of society and thus is the enemy.

>It goes both ways
Exactly my problem Nick. Other people are like me allegedly. But they aren't. They lack selflessness. They lack empathy. They say they are, but they are judgemental and expect you to change. I am the only one to accept you as long as you do not cross my boundaries, which I can easily state and have every one understand.

>Because you are the messed up one Coats
Am I? Or have I transcended regular humanity to the point I am too good for others? You said they would try to bring me to their level. Well, I am preventing it. I am above them. I said it showed love if I did such an act Nick, not that it would be alright in society's eyes. In mine it is fine on the basis that the woman had a benefit to give me, her sex, and I repaid her with food. It is a fair trade, pleasure for the giver for sustenance for the one receiving it. She is getting the better deal, so ergo it is fair. I don't get why you see this as so bad Nick. If all rapists fed woman salads afterwards, there would be a lot less emotional trauma and thus nothing to report.

>Nothing you want or need
I want a slave. I already clarified that. Give me a slave and I will be happy. I need a genie. Then I could change society's values entirely.

It isn't fair Nick. Life isn't fair. Society is a giant game of people cucking me and not even noticing me being cucked. Oh, what a great joy everyone has unless you are me.

Then again, you keep mentioning Dan. I am happy, perhaps there are more enlightened. I shall need to speak more with Dan and see how much of a humanitarian he is. It would be nice if others cared about the welfare of society.

>>38300820
>Who the fuck is "society"
Any person I run across. It means anybody out there as a general rule that is not the extremely rare outlier. Aka me and possibly Dan.

>Cuck
Okay, let's use a better term. Little bitch.

>You don't have to stay where you are
Doesn't matter, society is filled with them, you need to grit your teeth and bear the anal rape.

>It's legal to give up
So why isn't it legal to crank my music at 3 AM if I have work at 7 AM as well? I can empathize with them, share their plight, but I want to listen to music with my surround sound system.

>Dan II
It is only fair Nick that society changes for you.

>Humans don't have unlimited empathy
Aha! So society is fine with having empathy for those that fit in with society, but not for those outside of it who have different logic with rape/salad. See? This is exactly what I mean. If you were my employer you would fire me for demanding to hand out salads to rape victims to ease their pain and then saying we need to double the salads so we can rape them during office hours.

>>38300842
Exactly Nick, exactly. She would get mad. Just like if I pooped on the carpet. It wouldn't matter if I would clean it, she would complain about having to look at it when her eyes could easily go anywhere else.

>>38300863
>Wrongful things
Not sure what you mean Nick. I have reached this logic through our talks. Ergo, it must be correct.

>>38300904
I said later what I meant, so I won't restate here, but everything I do is for some reason abnormal. My problem is because everything I do clashes with society and they force me to do what I do a lot less, which is problematic as my nature to do these is what defines me.

>>38301154
Gladly Nick, take care. Still working my way through the thread. About an hour behind apparently...

>>38301192
Hey Dan! I learned I am much like you, I am apparently your clone. What do you think about women being raped and the salad rations they get based on it?

>>38301381
Laughs, Nick said we were much the same. Society is my enemy because society does not want me to be an individual. Society wants me to be a drone. Society won't let me shit on the carpet without firing me or yelling at me for being retarded.

Oh wow, apparently I have been the one bumping it for the past hour. One more thing I have done for humanity, this being mutual as I got to get things off my chest. Regardless, more evidence I am not selfish.

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>>38302462
>>38302136
>Dan. I am happy, perhaps there are more enlightened. I shall need to speak more with Dan and see how much of a humanitarian he is. It would be nice if others cared about the welfare of society.
I'm not a humanitarian. Far from it (pic related). Still you make some points that I did make in the past. You make some where I'm not absolutely sure myself, I'd lie if I said I was. I'm gonna try to address some of the points I see you making. Not necessarily responding to all your posts. Also whatever I will claim you think might be a projection, because as I said I'm basing this on what I believe(d).

You see everyone as your enemy. The biggest problem with this is that if you truly believe this, it WILL show. And other WILL feel it. Someone ITT described it once as watching a dog ready to jump at you and tear your throat open. This means people will be treating you differently. An example. One guy I know once saw me in a tram when I was alone, he actually asked me if I was okay because according to him I looked like a "fucking serial killer" . And the best thing is I didn't even realize it, it was just my default face when outside alone. Point is, if you think of everyone as your enemy, they will treat you as one. Even having a different mindset might show you how people actually treat each other. Just try it.

>Society wants me to be a drone. Society won't let me shit on the carpet without firing me or yelling at me for being retarded.
You should ask yourself why do you want to shit on the carpet. Firstly, is it your carpet? If it is, then shit away!

I think the most important thing is, why do you see people as your enemy?

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Hey everyone, seems like a one man show with Winter Coat here

How you guys doin?

>>38302608
>Just try it
How do you change your mindset at will? I am not good at manipulation.

>Why do you want to shit on the carpet
I am fascinated with the concept of free will. For whatever reason, I get these desires to do something and wish to do it. It entertains me.

>Is it your carpet?
I can understand more with someone else's carpet. But even my own would cause offense if they found out.

>Why do you see people as your enemy
They seek to control me, to prohibit me from having free will. They wish me to change. But they refuse to change themselves. It isn't fair.

>>38302779
Pretty good. I don't like that picture though. Anyone can be ruthless, it's just a matter of not giving a shit. Also why would anyone get into the meatgrinder is beyond me. Anyone with some brain would do one lap then try to jump to the courageous door. It's obviously the best option. With the meatgrinder you're fucked no matter what, with the jump you have some chance at least.

>>38302779
Alright here. Had a bit of an emotional breakdown with Nick as I realized what my central issue is about.

Also was curious to retry the test Dan did, failed to find the right one.

>>38302462
I can relate to these types of thoughts, but I find it's the result of the stress and disappointment I've gone through throughout my life. These types of perspectives is entirely the cause of me having had a bad life, having bad experience with some people (far from all) and generally being miserable.

So for me, I tend to have similar thoughts and feelings, but I consider them irrational and a result of my troubled life and not reality. I've had times in my life when I felt better about myself and my life in general, and during those times I just didn't give a fuck what "society" valued or thought. I sought out individuals I enjoyed being with, did things I enjoyed doing and didn't give a fuck about the overall cynicism

It's entirely possible to find a life where you feel more at peace and care less about shit like that, even when you do believe a lot of people have their priorities wrong. Ofc it can be a bit tricky depending on where you live and your health etc.

>>38302864
Indeed sence, that could be a hope indeed. To find friends that wouldn't mind shitting on the carpet and can accept these thoughts.

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>>38302837
I think it's about hol literally you take take the picture, of course you could jump it but thats not the point.
Also I dont really care about that pic, it's just something I found randomly in my shitpost folder

>>38302848
No problem m8, atleast youre keeping it alive here

>>38302799
>How do you change your mindset at will? I am not good at manipulation.
What I do is I try to be aware of my thoughts.

>I am fascinated with the concept of free will. For whatever reason, I get these desires to do something and wish to do it. It entertains me.
I know what you mean.

>I can understand more with someone else's carpet. But even my own would cause offense if they found out.
The point is, who gives a shit if they're offended? It's your goddamn carpet and if you wanna shit on it then you just shit on it. Problem is when it's not your carpet. The main point is though, people like you and, we are tenacious. You can get your own carpet if you really want. You can get as many carpets as you fucking want and then you can shit on them until you die! And no one can say a damn thing. And that feels pretty great.

>They seek to control me, to prohibit me from having free will. They wish me to change. But they refuse to change themselves. It isn't fair.
How do they prohibit you from having free will? By not letting you shit on their carpet? Point is they don't prohibit you from doing that. But just as you shitting on their carpet fucks up something that is theirs, they will take revenge for that and fuck up something that is yours. Freedom, punch some of your teeth out. You name it. Do you think that's so unreasonable?

>>38302959
>of course you could jump it but thats not the point.
Actually that's exactly the point. I only see it now though. Just think about it. It's no different in life.

>>38303019
Yeah well but you could also just simply walk in the beauty door and not give a shit at all but the doors are not the test, what comes after them is the test

>>38303075
Yeah I didn't think about that. The point is, people in real life can pretty much tell if you're ugly or not. And they won't let you into the "door". Whereas anyone can jump the hole. Or try at least.

Sup all, glad to see you made it back Atlas.

So i spent today alone with my thoughts, which i realized kinda fucked me up. But it gave me some insights and im now constructing some schematics over a series of parenting errors that resulted in me being the way i am.

might post it once im done.

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>>38302959
Glad to do such Atlas. I like helping others.

>>38302986
>Try to be aware of my thoughts
Not sure how one goes about that. I believe I know what I am about. Where do I go from there?

>I know what you mean
Nick makes it sound like it is wrong to have free will. Society in general seeks to limit you.

>Who gives a shit if they're offended
The problem with me is that everyone else gets power over my life so that they can affect it. They are offended? Guess what, I am getting it found out at work and fired. Guess what, my family will found out and be ashamed of me and refuse to help me, dumping me on the street. That is the problem. You can buy carpets and shit on them. I do it, I get people judging me that can take away anything I have in my life. I have zero control over my own life.

>Revenge
That makes more sense to me Dan. You mess with someone else, they mess with you. But when you shit on your own carpet, what is the problem?

Another example I gave Nick, I run around yelling "Buzz Buzz" and flapping my arms like I am a bee. This would get me fired, get any relationship I was in ended, and perhaps even get me sent to an asylum. All because I wanted to be a bee. I didn't harm anyone. I was a bee. But everyone was upset with me. What revenge is there in being a harmless bee buzzing around?

>>38303141
>So i spent today alone with my thoughts, which i realized kinda fucked me up.
Told ya. Don't go into the woods just with yourself...

>>38302938
Usually it's just about finding people who your personality resonate with, you don't even have to agree with them or them with you, because you both understand where you come from and are okay with that, and focus on having a good time together as like minded people. Or gay shit like that. But yeah, they can be hard to find in RL, fortunately they are a bit easier to find on forums and chats.

>>38302779
>>38302837
i like that image, but it's a bit too simple. i actually consider myself to be good looking, with a new haircut and nicer clothes i think i could look great. yet here i am spending every evening on 4chan.

thing is nothing is ever a free win, even with beauty you need confidence and courage as well as ability to capitalize it. some of the doors can be learned, the ruthlessness and the courage for instance. they are just doors, there's no test or guard to keep you from going in. what most people here does, including me, is taking laps thinking we dont fit in anywhere. thus the meatgrinder looks more tempting. in reality it's about having the balls to chose a door and enter.

>>38303213
The problem is that I am great at finding "like-minded people" that get upset with some limit of yours. Been jumping from people to people for the last three years. I believe they are like me, I say something they cannot accept, they distance themselves.

It doesn't help when my OCD makes it so I have little to nothing to talk about.

>>38303253
Why not just continue walking the loop? Who knows what is beyond the doors. It could be more meat grinders. By walking the loop over and over, you avoid the situation entirely.

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>>38303103
Yeah sure but if you were supposed to live a life full of danger after that youd be pretty much fucked if you werent really courageous

>>38303157
>I like helping others.
Always nice to hear this

>>38303141
Hello York
Yeah I learned not to be alone with my thoughts, I try to avoid as much as I can
Post that m8

>>38303253
>in reality it's about having the balls to chose a door and enter.

This seems like life in general

>>38303261
I haven't been reading all your convos and everything you've said. But I believe it's been mentioned how you come off or how you present your opinions can have a very big effect on how people perceive you. Sometimes people might even be afraid/ worried your values or attitude means you'll betray them at some point, so they distance themselves to protect themselves. People have somewhat limited capacity for understanding others, some withdraw on the side of precaution. If they think there's a possibility you will behave hurtful to them, they withdraw

Another thing is, some of these people you seek out might have traumatic pasts themselves and have less ability to be able to handle confrontation, values they find threatening, opinions they find difficult to think about and so on. It might not always be about you, but about other people's pain, insecurities, loneliness, isolation etc

What do you mean they distance themselves btw? How do you notice?

>>38303157
>Not sure how one goes about that. I believe I know what I am about. Where do I go from there?
You likely have many thoughts that are automatic. For example when I see an attractive woman, I would start mentally insulting her and listing all the ways in which she was luckier than me. I know it sounds fucking insane, but that's deal. If you have something similar, try to identify it first. Tell me, what are you typical thoughts that you probably shouldn't be having? Other than shitting on the carpet of course.

>Nick makes it sound like it is wrong to have free will. Society in general seeks to limit you.
As dumb as it's gonna sound, it essentially comes down to eye for an eye. Think of it as two individuals. One takes from the other (for example shits on his carpet - and yes I am going to keep using this example). Now other people see it and consider it wrong, because next time it could be them whose carpet you're shitting on. They're trying to protect themselves, the same way you would do if someone were to take a swing at you with a metal tube. That's the only way they limit you. Is that so unreasonable?

>I do it, I get people judging me that can take away anything I have in my life. I have zero control over my own life.
Well yes, you're right in the way that there are things that are generally frowned upon. This something you probably won't agree with, but often if they're frowned upon it's for a good reason. Let's take the carpet-shitting. All is nice and dandy, except for the bacteria which can cause damage to others. You might this is a stretch, but many things that are frowned upon by society have very reasonable basis. Because they're not beneficial and often are indirectly harmful.

>All because I wanted to be a bee. I didn't harm anyone. I was a bee. But everyone was upset with me. What revenge is there in being a harmless bee buzzing around?
What was I saying? Yeah, indirectly harmful ... that obviously doesn't apply to this. Cont.

Guess whos gonna get banned

>>38302779
I heard from my mother today. She does seem to be sickly quite often. Perhaps an unquiet mind might beget a frail body. The house is dark in spirit. My gf is ailing as well, taken with melancholy. A miserable day in all.

>>38303157
>All because I wanted to be a bee. I didn't harm anyone. I was a bee. But everyone was upset with me. What revenge is there in being a harmless bee buzzing around?
Well if I was your boss and were running around like a bee instead of working, I'd fire you too. If I saw you running on the parking spot pretending to be a bee after work, I'd think you're peculiar guy, but I wouldn't fire you. You probably don't see it, but people can actually tolerate peculiarities to some extent.

The main point that I see is that in this world we have many comforts. Shops, hospitals, alcohol. The point is, many people are going to be using these. For example imagine everyone suddenly decided to crawl everywhere because they wanted to be like snakes (I actually knew a guy who said he'd like to be a snake, because then he'd never have to get up). Now everything would be kinda fucked up because now doors wouldn't really work well for the snake-people. Neither would anything else really.

So for people to be able to use these spoils, these comforts, there needs to be some level of unity and standardization. You can't have a hundred different hospitals, one for people who like to be bees, one for people who crawl, one for people who roll on the ground. That'd just lead to a huge decrease in the quality of services available. So what do people do when they seem someone acting like a bee in their normal daily routine? Firstly and you won't believe this, they feel empathy, they want you to be able to use all the normal things. Secondly, they're a little angry, yes because they know that if this catches on it will mean big changes.

This is gonna sound like the biggest fucking cliche, but they limit you for your own good. Of course you can reject this and live alone, use the spoils of society as much (or at all), but then they will still feel empathy and try to drag you back. Because not having to die because of a broken leg is just awesome.

>>38303168
dunno, i still find it somewhat enjoyable. it's afterwards when my head's been spinning all day that things feel strange.

>>38303288
>Why not just continue walking the loop
that's what you (and i) have been doing. it's leads nowhere and it's deeply frustrating and unsatisfying. there's nowhere we feel like we belong and we keep walking just because we're not ready for the meat grinder.

>>38303339
still working on it. i'd like to give it a comprehensible structure.

>This seems like life in general
that's why i like it

>>38303253
Couldn't be more true. Not that it's easy. I haven't been able to do it myself. Not funny anyways.

>>38303339
>Yeah sure but if you were supposed to live a life full of danger after that youd be pretty much fucked if you werent really courageous
Yes. Still better than the meatgrinder.

>>38303365
Fascinating. So what you are saying is that people are insecure weaklings themselves and that I thus am actually better than them due to my selfless nature. They mostly ghost me after so much time, starts passionate but as we have less to talk about they forget I exist. Some have left because my other personality attacked them. Some because they asked if I thought they were attractive when I warned I cannot lie and am extremely picky. Some because of reasons I don't understand.

>>38303372
>Thoughts
I have thousands of thoughts going through my head at once, how do I know which are inappropriate? Is the clay ball sheep inappropriate? Is the old man coughing? Is the word "why"? I described before when around women I cannot look at them in the face due to being screamed at for staring at them, so I look at random objects on the walls. Guys I usually look in the crotch, I rarely see their faces. No emotions come over me for me.

>Is that so unreasonable
Not at all. Eye for an eye is entirely fair. If I rape your girlfriend, I expect you to try to beat me up. It just is logical. This is why rapists should go more for single women, but then of course you have the father, which means there is almost always a man to protect them. A better solution of course would be for her just to defend herself.

>Carpet-shitting
With someone's carpet, that makes total sense. The bacteria is a hazard and was a direct result of me shitting on it. I would agree for sanitary reasons, shitting on a carpet is generally a bad move for society unless it is your own, in which case I feel you should be able to.

>Doesn't apply to this
But this is generally the issue. Shitting on the carpet I can be aware of and not do. I don't go around wishing to slap people because I knew people will feel discomfort for being hit. I wish to rape, but wouldn't do it on the basis that others would disapprove and wish to have vengeance on me. If everyone turned a blind eye to it, I would rape.

>>38303636
>I have thousands of thoughts going through my head at once, how do I know which are inappropriate?
I'm gonna go on a limb here and tell you that you do actually know. You're psychopathic and obviously not stupid from your writing. You had the chance to observe people for god knows how many years and you can't figure this out?

>Guys I usually look in the crotch
You're the man now, dog.

>This is why rapists should go more for single women, but then of course you have the father, which means there is almost always a man to protect them.
Yeah and then the brothers, uncles, cousins, friends. It never ends.

>A better solution of course would be for her just to defend herself.
Yes. Or for the guy not to rape her. Then she doesn't have to get raped and he doesn't have to get beaten half to death by her relatives.

I honestly think my post here is more important >>38303571
Not saying I'm totally convinced on everything I said there, but in a way that's how I think it is.

>>38303571
Hmm. I think this makes a lot more sense than what Nick was saying. Of course, it speaks to my hatred for it, for if it catches on it means big changes that they do not need to conform to. If you want to be a bee, fine, but know it will inconvenience you with using regular objects. You should accept this risk/reward. Now, being outright forbidden is the problem. People should stop being retarded about having empathy towards bee people and instead just let them to their thing.

They see me running like a bee in the parking lot, they will get mad and fire me because it would be a "bad image for the company".

Why can't society just accept some people will be snakes and some will be bees? Why is this so hard to tolerate? As I said, we have conventional, once you deviate you should expect to make adjustments or adjust yourself enough back. As a bee I wouldn't expect doors to just open automatically for me. So why are people so retarded to have empathy and feel you need to leave them to avoid them getting upset about you not being able to use hospitals somehow?

>>38303574
I like that idea York. At least not going in the doors avoids the meat grinder. I blame society for pushing me into this place to begin with and pushing me around to the point I can't just sit. Once again everyone else is just trying to hurt me.

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Hark, Atlas! I fancy the chandler has his eye cast o'er your rump, and not for the sport. Nay, tho you've a fancy for a shirtless joust I shouldn't wonder, he'd find more use fashioning candles from that ample seat than from waxing your suckling's wick!

>>38303810
>People should stop being retarded about having empathy towards bee people and instead just let them to their thing.
And this is exactly where this result >>38303157 truly shines. I couldn't agree more, but you and me. Our empathy is on a low level. It's not like that for other people believe it or not. I'm having a hard time with it myself. But people are like that. They're not going to change. They will try to limit you and believe it or not they will have some good intentions in their mind (and also some selfish ones, but can you blame them?). You can hate them for it, but what does it really accomplish? Not much. They will keep being like that and they will keep believing they are helping you (and they actually are). Point is, if you keep hating them, you are doing big damage to yourself. Being hateful and bitter without doing anything is like taking poison and expecting your enemies to die. As for myself, I try to be practical. That's all I have left.

>As a bee I wouldn't expect doors to just open automatically for me. So why are people so retarded to have empathy and feel you need to leave them to avoid them getting upset about you not being able to use hospitals somehow?
Because they grew up differently than us. When they see you being a bee, they imagine what you're missing out on (let's be honest here, pretending to be a bee is quite far from the norm) and they actually feel what you do.

>So why are people so retarded to have empathy and feel you need to leave them to avoid them getting upset about you not being able to use hospitals somehow?
It's quite difficult to draw the line. When is it still only a harmless peculiarity and when is it actually something that inhibits your life? It's not always clear.

>>38303767
>You actually know
Fair enough Dan. So they are indeed all harmless.

>You're the man now, dog
Glad someone appreciates my autism.

>It never ends
Exactly Dan. This is why rape is so difficult. It is great in ideal due to it just being an isolated woman. The reality is that she is part of a chain of people that will all come after you. This is why it is fantasy and not reality sadly. Too many can seek vengeance.

>Or for the guy not to rape her
Indeed. This is why rapists who do the act are retarded. You can't take on that many family members. Direct conflicts make sense. They are desires, but risk assessment ensures it makes sense why you don't do it. But ones without affecting everyone make no sense.

>>38303636
What's this obsession with being better? Why is that important to you? What's better or worse are arbitrary perspectives based on very frail and malleable human perspective

The way you describe why people turn away from you seems rooted in very complex interpersonal problems, they are not the only ones at fault here. I might be wrong, but you seem to have some obsession here that limits your relationships with people, and that creates division rather than resonance.

I think your problem is more than your perspective about reality and people, at this point I'm starting to suspect you have developed a very faulty defense mechanism based on your experiences in the past. It's similar to the mechanism in narcissistic people, where people heavily abused develop a very mixed relationship to own worth and the worth of others. It also bear some resemblance to the schizoaffective way of thinking

Maybe this makes you angry, but me being dishonest with how I perceive you- I'd find that to be more patronizing and insulting than telling you this straight up.

I'm not saying this to dismiss you, I understand very well some of your perspective and opinions, I'm saying this because I think you might need more self exploration than what this thread can give you.

>>38303607
>Not that it's easy
if it were easy r9k would still be a place for sharing dank green texts.

>>38303958
>Fair enough Dan. So they are indeed all harmless.
They're not and you know they're not. Not the violent or angry ones especially.

Your obsession with rape is remarkable. There is apparently something that makes you not want to rape that woman even if there is no one to seek vengeance. And society values if you have this. This is actually a point I don't know how to deal with to be honest, because I obviously lack this and so do you. I wonder if it would be beneficial to have this. What do you think?

>>38303951
>They're not going to change. They will try to limit you.
Exactly Dan. Now you get my resentment, this is exactly why I come into conflict with society. But you are right, hate for an enemy you cannot beat is a bit pathetic. I guess I just don't like the alternative of being a little bitch and taking it for "their good intentions". We need to get more people without empathy in charge. As it stands, it is essentially bullying by people trying to "save me" and not helping me at all since I wouldn't have a problem if they didn't force me to jump through hoops.

>They imagine what you're missing out on
What am I missing out on? Sitting somewhere vapidly and talking about politics? Talking about the weather? Talking about the local sports team? Whistle whistle, talk talk talk. It feels so mundane. They should try being bees, they are missing out on a lot more. They are missing out on happiness, which is the reason to live life as Nick said. What is the reason to live if you can't pretend to be a bee every once in a while? Now if we can cut down on those repercussions in society, that would be swell.

>Not always clear
If I am a bee buzzing around, what is the problem? Why if I go into a nightclub like that will I be kicked out? Why can't I do it on a bus? Why does everyone get paranoid by a man who just wants to be a bee and is not bothering anyone?

alright, here's my attempt at structured thought about what in my early childhood that started to mess me up as well as how it did it.
it's gonna be several parts.

1. My father never allowed me or my sister to be sad. Whenever we started getting upset he would make jokes and funny faces so we'd start laughing instead.
2. My mother was prone to fits of rage, she would scream and sometimes throw things around. Most often was the anger directed towards my dad and at times my sister. Rarely or actually never towards myself. As i recall it was fairly minor things that actually didnt do much harm.

>>38304061
>Your obsession with rape is remarkable. There is apparently something that makes you not want to rape that woman even if there is no one to seek vengeance. And society values if you have this. This is actually a point I don't know how to deal with to be honest, because I obviously lack this and so do you. I wonder if it would be beneficial to have this. What do you think?

I'll admit I've had enough to drink to where I can't understand this sentence. You lack the ability to see any reason against rape when there is nobody to seek vengeance (to punish you)?

>>38304162
My behaviour
1. I remember feeling very frustrated when i was stopped from crying. I wasnt happy to be happy. When i did it towards my sister there was mixed feelings, i felt he did something bad. Something cringe worthy. But i was also relieved her tantrum was stopped.
2. Although the anger wasnt directed towards me i was scared, i didnt like the bad atmosphere and it's possible i was worried she was or would become angry with me as well. I used to do what i could to shut it out, maintain status quo or just get out of the way. Do nothing and wait until it went away.


Results
1. I was not allowed to be sad. If i started to feel sad or upset, it would turn into a feeling that was even worse. A dislike for my parent and a hollow unsatisfying happiness, more like a lack of sadness and nothing more.
2. I learned that it was important to treat objects and minor details with utmost respect. If something went slightly wrong then very bad stuff could happen. Also if i just waited and stayed out of the way, the bad stuff would go away. This was later implemented in other parts of my life when i just waited for my parents to save me from uncomfortable situations.

Combinations of the two
1. Showing negative emotions is wrong and thus something that brings a risk of heavy negative consequences.
2. If something can be ignored it will go away
3. Apologizing brings into focus something i did wrong, the opposite of ignoring, and is really dangerous

Bottom line being that everything unpleasant can be dealt with by ignorance as well as it's best to not do anything im not sure i can do perfectly and have gotten explicit permission to do.

>>38303966
It just feels good to be better after thinking for years I was a lot worse than others. I see my actions as being selfless, which is objectively seen by society as pointless, but to me has merit. Thus it is more self-confidence than anything.

Obsession with limiting relationships? Well, I am distant with most as I feel telling too much will cause them to dislike me and I like to ride the waves, taking advantage of the good times as long as I can.

It wouldn't surprise me if I had a perspective others don't agree with. Most aren't as selfless as me and thus can't in turn be as empathetic. They thus cannot care about the bee people like I can. I dream of a world where the bee people shall not be segregated.

I like direct honest, so no problems here. I am sorry if I sound a bit confusing and chaotic, I am a bit conflicting even to myself, so I can imagine I come off as nonsensical at times.

Not sure where to begin with self-exploration or what that word even means.

>>38304061
I think they lack perspective. They see a woman being raped and they are like "That poor woman" when they don't see the salad or other things that the rapist does for her. They just see an isolated act and in their mind, rape=bad. Our minds work more in shades of grey, where we examine the entire picture and evaluate, while they are more like fish and can only see X is bad and Y is good. I don't think I would like being a fish, I would be in less control of my thoughts. I love the free will given to me by my thoughts that others do not seem to have.

>>38304085
>I guess I just don't like the alternative of being a little bitch and taking it for "their good intentions"
This is actually the same way I often think. But how exactly is feeling better (not hateful and bitter) and more peaceful with yourself and everything else taking it like a little bitch?

>We need to get more people without empathy in charge.
As much as I often agree with you, I don't think you'd wanna live in such a world.

>What am I missing out on?
Being able to enjoy many things in the world. Food, activities that you like. Being able to learn and understand new things. Being able to have a family of your own. It's much easier to get these if you don't act like a bee.

>Why can't I do it on a bus?
Obviously safety, also you flailing your arms means less space for others.

>Why if I go into a nightclub like that will I be kicked out?
Probably because the owner instructed the bouncers to be this way. It's not your club so it's not your say.

>>38304205
Well I can understand that the woman is going to be hurt by this. I honestly can't find it in me to care enough. I know it sounds edgy as shit.

>>38304205
You lack the ability to see any reason to rape when there are the benefits of your own pleasure and no negatives to speak of? Punishment is the reason one should veer off rape. Not because "It is bad, mkay".

>>38304162
>>38304212
also thoughts are welcome. i'd like different perspectives on this so i can be more confident that i just didnt pull the results out of my ass.

>>38304251
The positive and the negative should at least be balanced. I don't think there is enough salad in the world to justify you raping her.

There is though enough money to justify woman being raped. It's called prostitution. The point is, it's womans choice to whore herself out.

>>38304297
That's a lot of good introspection. Now the obvious thing would be for you to start noticing when you act according to the results. And maybe realize the ways you could improve if you stopped acting in this way.

>>38304256
>How exactly is feeling better?
Because I live in a world where others control my life, so to do that I need to appease them. Ergo, a little bitch.

>I don't think you'd wanna live in such a world
Perhaps you are right, especially since I have more empathy than most. We just need those with confused empathy for bee people to stop controlling the bee people.

>Many things in the world
Not really sure why it is so much harder as a bee. You can still eat food as a bee. Your activity is being a bee, all other hobbies are garbage on account of your OCD so you cover it up by being a bee now. Learning and understanding new things is great for non-retards, but I can't learn things well. I always hit a brick wall and have no idea how to improve. Some girl out there should appreciate the freedom that comes with being a bee and stop being a dull individual.

>Why can't I do it on a bus?
Hmm, that does make sense. Less space for others means direct affection.

>Nightclub
My goal is to eventually own something where all the bees in the world can congregate and be bees. I just am retarded enough that I shall never get to this point.

>>38304283
Indeed, benefit of yourself outweighs benefit to the woman here. Most rapists do such because they don't have any woman to have sex with them. If women friends were just more willing to have casual sex, this wouldn't be such a problem.

>>38304251
>It just feels good to be better after thinking for years I was a lot worse than others. I see my actions as being selfless, which is objectively seen by society as pointless, but to me has merit. Thus it is more self-confidence than anything.

I understand this very well, but keep in mind this is a coping mechanism. Comparing yourself to others and trying to judge value on you or others by comparison is a poor way of building self esteem.

Self esteem is a complex issues, but let me divide it into two camps for simplicity. One is where you feel good because you consider yourself intelligent, capable, clever and so on, you measure this by comparing yourself to other people's achievements and abilities. You can see you're doing x better than others, thus you are more intelligent and capable. Camp two is centered around mastery and improving on your abilities. The latter camp doesn't require you to compare yourself to others, you are comparing yourself to you. You're using your own abilities to measure if you've become more apt or better at things or habits than what was true in the past. You feel good by bypassing yourself and becoming in your opinion, better than what you were.

The last perspective is associated with a lower risk of depression and a higher tendency to overcome challenges. Id' link sources, but I've read this in my native language.

Point is, the solution isn't to find a way where you can have value in comparison to others, it's to find value and meaning that has so to you personally. Not to society or other people. This is the key to develop a lasting self esteem that's not so easily rocked by outside expectations.

>>38300406

OK, I'm back, but I have over a hundred posts to catch up on, so I won't tackle everything. I can't. I'm only human, mostly.

>>38304283

I see. Do you care if it's a man being raped? Is this a woman centered issues, or just cynicism to most people?

>>38304285

So your opinion is other people's suffering doesn't matter if you can fulfill your own needs?

>>38301240
>I once spammed a place with virtual chickens and got yelled at for being immature. Spent my time being a bored administrator there who wasn't allowed to host events.

What the fuck does that mean? Please explain because I don't get it. Are you talking about some chatroom? You're not giving me details to understand the situation.

>>38304404
>That's a lot of good introspection.
thanks, i sacrificed my sanity to achieve it.
think is, i think im always acting according to it. every moment when im not taking steps to expand my life with interests and bigger social circles and just trying to enjoy people is a moment where im avoiding risks. realizing how do move on might take another good chunk of my sanity

>>38301240

We need to imagine a scenario where you and I are roomies. It'll be fun.

Think of me as the Chad who works out in our apartment. Offer some scenarios while I catch up with the thread.

>>38304444
Nice quads!

>Because I live in a world where others control my life, so to do that I need to appease them. Ergo, a little bitch.
If you defy them, what exactly do you get?

>My goal is to eventually own something where all the bees in the world can congregate and be bees. I just am retarded enough that I shall never get to this point.
Your biggest feat of retardation is constantly calling yourself retarded. That's a great fucking goal. I'm serious. You can work towards it in so many ways. Still though, imagine you made it. You're now the owner of the first ever club where people can do anything without being limited at all. How long would it take before the club was destroyed? I'd guess about three weeks. Because eventually some arsonist would come along. And there goes your club. And there go your bees. Can't limit him, can you? Or if you had some limits, for example only things that don't harm others, you already have rules. You are controlling others. And some new Winter Coat 2.0 guy would hate you.

>Most rapists do such because they don't have any woman to have sex with them. If women friends were just more willing to have casual sex, this wouldn't be such a problem.
I always thought it was because they were sadists. Would be interesting in some statistic on it.

I honestly don't know if I can continue this conversation for much longer. It's like arguing with myself. And it's getting to me.

>>38304540
does it make you jealous, nick? knowing that LO will have my child and never see you again? does it infuriate you?

>>38304162
1. How does this mess you up? It sounds beneficial to ensure you are never sad.
2. Indeed, your mother never directed anger to you, so I don't see the problem here either.

>>38304212
Behavior
1. I still don't understand why you were unhappy to be happy. That sounds interesting indeed. My father has done quite similar behavior to this, but I always considered it beneficial even if it was stressful to never be able to talk to him. Either I am not allowed to be unhappy, this, or going home for his pizza.

2. Sounds like a good idea. Hide and hope the screaming dissipates. Did your mother ever turn your anger on you? If not, aren't you happy your fear was unfounded?

Results
1. You know, this is rather interesting. I felt many similar emotions in high school. This was also when my split personalities started up.
2. Wait, this sounds like you are trying to say it is a negative, but it sounds quite practical to me.

Combination
1. Heavily agree with York. Best to post them online where nobody can know you weren't a "man".
2. It will York. Sand stays, all else goes. Everyone dies. Just takes time.
3. You know, I never thought of it that way. No wonder I have so many problems, I turn apologetic. Thank you York, if I learn to just avoid my problems they won't be brought as much attention to. I think people screamed a lot more every time I would say "please don't get mad". How did I not get this sooner?

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Then again, knowing these facts means you can go through life and not make as many issues as other people. I wish I had known about apologizing sooner York. Thanks for the advice.

>>38304493
Cynicism to most people.

>>38304540
Probably minecraft. A video game.

>>38304553
You only have to realize what you want to achieve. Everything else will follow from there. But you have to really want it. Not just think you want it.

>>38301340
>No good. I share my bedroom with my father,

Fucking hell, you what???

Please go to Paint, draw a schematics of your living quarters with who lives where. You can change some things so it's not identifiable and such.

>The world is my enemy Nick.

It's not. If you can't swallow that pill, try with this sauce: the world doesn't care that much.

>>38304596
Wait a minute. Did you really wait all this time for Nick to come back just so you could reference your post that was made 3 hours ago? That's some dedication right here.

>>38304322
I explained to Nick earlier, a salad can justify rape. Rape is an act of pleasure, a one time act that is over after time and has healed wounds. Unless you are giving her some STD or came inside her, there are no permanent issues with rape.

On the other hand a salad is sustenance. It is food. It is vital for life. Without a salad, the female would die. Ergo, it is showing that the rapist gets her a salad for he cares about her continued existence. This care means he loves her. Love means a temporary pain should be tolerated, for love conquers all emotions. Nobody has a perfect friendship, sometimes there is hurt, but it always gets better. Sometimes the guy rapes the girl, but then she gets a salad and his love is reaffirmed. I say a salad entirely justifies it Dan.

If a woman whores herself out, she becomes a product selling herself for money in return for sex. It is her choice to make, but the male should be under no obligation to buy her a salad or show affection, for it was a simple business transaction like going to the store. Rape is more like an abusive hug someone is uncomfortable with. Sure, it is terrible, but one party benefits highly. As long as STDs aren't involved, there is no problem.

>>38301566
>No it isn't Nick, it is for the benefit of the holder, not the one being held.

This is utterly insane a statement. What the hell?

>>38301566
>the compression is stressful, it is like confining yourself in a box. Why would someone willingly do that? Because they get the trade of confining the other person in a similar box.

Oh boy, this is absolutely fucking crazy. That's great though, we're making huge progress with this. Holy fuck, man, holy fuck.

>>38304715
>Rape is an act of pleasure, a one time act that is over after time and has healed wounds. Unless you are giving her some STD or came inside her, there are no permanent issues with rape.
What about someone having control over you? Forcing you to do what you don't want to. You should be able to understand that. Not all wounds are just scars and broken bones.

>>38301566
>I can be fine shoving action figures up a woman's pussy as you see. The woman that lets me do that must love me. Ergo, it is a great test of love. If she lets me get the entire cast of Toy Story inside her, either she really loves Toy Story or loves me.

Oh God, I can't stop laughing. This is gold. We need an artist to make memes out of such things.

>either she really loves Toy Story or me

Fucking hell, Coats.

>>38301566
>But no, she wants to whistle and not be Buzz Lightyeared.

You are killing me, you are. Sentences that should not exist. I can't stop kekking over here. Please help, I can't breathe anymore.

>Buzz Lightyeared

Fucking hell xD

>>38304470
Hmm, how do I build up my own self-esteem with only myself in a vacuum? If such, suddenly I just become human, and the only thing I can base it off of is what I have done. Then I become a retarded autistic person who can't open a door right.

Well, not sure what I am supposed to do now. I had a high horse, but I lost it.

>>38304483
Indeed, been a while, laughs.

>>38304493
Cynicism. If a man was raped, it would be just the same.

Exactly sense. Other people's suffering doesn't really matter... as long as you know it causes punishment since people don't like to suffer.

>>38301663
>if I reveal I am a male LARPing as a female, I get males angry at me.

No shit, Sherlock. What did you expect?

>they don't want me running around and blowing pretend blow darts at everyone.

I have underestimated your power level, my friend. That being said, I absolutely want to go out with you.

>I accept other people, nobody accepts me.

It seems you have no idea what you're doing. It's absolutely fascinating, or you're trolling my ass like a Renaissance artist. If that's trolling, 4chan meets a new dawn.

>>38301871
>when it turns out I have more empathy than most.

Uh, no. You have so no empathy that you do insane stuff and don't understand why people react the way they do. You clearly have zilch ability to think the way others do.

>I am the last hope for humanity somehow,

Against them magical penguins, maybe.

>>38304605
im actually starting to consider you a troll at this point. then again what you've posted yourself has been coherent enough that i'd rather see this as a poor joke?

the reason all this is a problem is that all it achieves is make me not sad. there is no joy and no life in that behaviour, rather i walk around being afraid or being sad.

also
>"please don't get mad"
is not an apology

>>38304620
>You only have to realize what you want to achieve
i've only ever had two goals in my life, both of them were sorta misconceptions of what would make me feel better.
>finish my education so i get a semi-prestigious job
>get a gf so i can have sex
turns out that did very little for my well being.

but i really get your point. im just aware it's gonna be tough to even realize where i wanna go.

>>38304540
I live a lot of time on Second Life. This was a club there. I was queen of the chickens.

>>38304564
Oh joy, let's see where this goes.

Scenarios
>You shat on my carpet cuz you are Chad
>You tore a baby in half on live television, then came home to tell me I better not kill a baby for money
>You stopped wearing pants
>You started wearing pants again
>You got a naked sex slave. I wish I had one.
>You kill the naked sex slave. I dig up the body.
>You try to kill me for having sex with the naked sex slave
>You get arrested. I break you out of prison. You try to kill me.
>You aren't wearing pants again.
>You bring a naked stripper home
>The naked stripped didn't want sex, you raped her
>You come on here and argue with me the ethics of why raping a girl is wrong.

>>38304876
>turns out that did very little for my well being.
So you got both of these? Just curious. And a little jealous.

>>38304620
>Cynicism to most people.

I see. I don't expect everybody to feel sympathy for every person who experiences trauma. There is a difference between being indifferent and being okay with something, though

>>38304715
Holy fuck, this is just retardation. Am I even allowed to say that in this thread? It takes some next level insane rationalization to even touch upon this fucking mess

A fucking salad what the fuck did I just read. Yeah, just beat the shit out of someone until they get brain damage, if you buy them a salad after it's all ok. Because nutrition. Who needs their ability to thin and reason if they have a salad? Salads aren't even that nutritious, I'm fucking confused I even made that argument.

>>38304799
If I wasn't drunk right now I'd be able to find you some sources and insights on self esteem. I'm sorry if you're offended by my previous remark, but at the same time, it could be worthwhile pondering whether your perspective have some sort of flaw since most people react badly to it

You say you are superior to other people because you're empathetic. But here you say other people's suffering doesn't matter- Which is it? Do you want a society where people care and try to understand each other? Or do you want one where the most predatory and clever gets their way?

>>38304586
>If you defy them, what exactly do you get?
Individuality, freedom, the ability to be myself and not them. Happiness, distractions from death.

>Winter Coat 2.0 guy would hate you
As I said before, I am fine wish establishing ground rules. That is the point of laws. Just stick to some. No bees? Fine, let me be a snake.

>Sadist
Well, that is entirely fair, a sadist is someone just seeking pleasure for themselves. What is wrong with that?

I am liking it. Your arguments are quite rational. Not concerning yourself with how people feel, we can get to the bottom of these issues a lot more.

>>38301871
>To create this thread you had to kill another thread, thus killing someone's masterpiece.

Threads that get bumped off haven't been posted in for several hours. This means nobody's in them.

As to masterpieces, come on. Not everyone puts that much attention to their threads, and the threads we make get more activity than most threads on the entire board, only second to the Brit stuff.

Besides, all threads are saved.

> To post here, you have to limit your own post count and thus limit how much more help you can offer.

Uh, no. It's unlimited. If we reach the max, which we used to do when I was here 15 hours straight, I'd just open a new thread.

>If you were fully selfless, you would never go offline and would be doing these threads 24/7.

No, because at some point I'd be tired and unable to help efficiently. I'd also get tired of people's shit and my mood would go bad, also diminishing my help. It's better to take breaks and maintain quality. See, what works for me works for others together. It's the same thing.

>But you have concern about maintaining yourself first.

Of course, how can I help if I am not happy, in shape, doing well? It's much harder to help when you're down. You should have seen me last year. I was a champion.

> When I see someone helping another, it only makes sense that they are doing it to feel like they are being a better person.

That's because you ain't got no empathy, baby. You can't imagine motives other than your own, so you don't understand most people. You're like a color-blind animal who hates red and charges.

>>38301955
>Ego, it's bad.

Fun Freudian slip.

>My parents are part of society Nick.

So are you. "America abused me because my parents are American." OK.

>>38302136
>If all rapists fed woman salads afterwards, there would be a lot less emotional trauma and thus nothing to report.

You are honestly the most fucked up person I've spoken to in my life, and that means a whole lot, considering.

Fucking hell, just fucking hell. Sometimes I'm not sure you're not trolling like a god.

You can't possibly believe this, right?

>>38304922
>So you got both of these?
yes. broke up with the gf within a year though. as it turns out wanting to have sex is not enough to keep a relationship going long term.

funny thing is i didnt find either of them hard to achieve, just tedious. both education and getting a gf took plenty of time and work.
all you have to do is ignore everything that feels bad and do what you're supposed to do until you're done. basically it comes down to dont quit.

>tfw not even being happy to graduate since all i did was follow instructions for 3 years.

>>38305005
Like I mentioned earlier, I believe people who are close to the narcissistic or schizoaffective type could think like this

>>38302462
>Regardless, more evidence I am not selfish.

Yeah, because you keep alive a thread that is intended to help you. Kek. If it had died, I would have restarted the moment I came back, no biggie. Just saying, so you can repair that logic of yours, because it's fucked, also.

>>38302848

https://www.depression-anxiety-stress-test.org/take-the-test.html

Here it is.

>>38302938

Why, exactly, do you want to shit on the carpet?

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>>38304620
I actually posted on a Minecraft post a little while back about my OCD. Can't play it again until I finish Dead Space, which as I told Nick I couldn't do. Sigh.

>>38304622
Here we are, a relative floorplan of my basement. A bit of a mess, roughly drawn, but it should explain things.

The world doesn't care at all, but is a pain and will still get in my way regardless.

>>38302986
>. You can get as many carpets as you fucking want and then you can shit on them until you die!

PLEASE, we need an artist to illustrate this stuff. It's fucking GOLD. Oh God, I can't hold all these keks. The dialog around here is better than what Tarantino can come up with, and I think he's great.

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>>38303157

Mandatory comparison with my own test, just so you see how different people can be.

>>38303157
>, I run around yelling "Buzz Buzz" and flapping my arms like I am a bee.

And why the fuck do you do that?

>>38304716
>Insane
What else is new with your thoughts of me

>>38304729
Hope you are making some sense of my ramblings

>>38304760
No, but having more permanent control is unfair to an innocent outside of society. Now, one who partakes in society deserves it because of how they treat bee people.

>>38304767
I would love to see a porno of this.

>>38304787
To infinity and beyond!

>>38304822
To have them just not care. It shouldn't matter in the simulation.

I am just your average, boring individual.

Tfw my life translates out to a mass trolling attempt according to others.

Help me Nick. It's my boyfriend. He's ANTI-SJW culture and staunchly conservative but with all the fucking masculinity of a nu-beta male, which is just an infuriating combo.
> too afraid to have an opinion unless it's about inconsequential shit like politics
> too afraid to hang out with other males
> can't handle people giving him shit even jokingly
> gives me church hugs and spins me around in public even though I've NEVER asked for that and it's really embarrassing
> how in the fuck are you a conservative but not conservative enough to believe in standing up for yourself, being a man, and being the leader?
> I identify with a lot of feminism shit, but honestly if a guy wanted to take control, I'd let him be a man but I've been the man for at least 7 of the 10 months we've been together
What can I do to make him more manly? Is there testosterone foods I can slip in his meals, I'm so fucking tired of his beta ass prioritizing the wrong shit. I need him to move out of his mom's house, I need him to think about his future but all he wants to do is talk about how Anita Sarkesian is ruining lives and video games.

Anyone see Spiderman? It sounds nice. An optimistic, breezy tale. That would be a treat. I should have gone today. I'm annoyed that I wasn't able to go. Without alcohol, escapism is at a premium.

>>38303571
>For example imagine everyone suddenly decided to crawl everywhere because they wanted to be like snakes (I actually knew a guy who said he'd like to be a snake, because then he'd never have to get up).

PLEASE, ILLUSTRATE THIS STUFF! If we can't find anyone, I'm going to ask LO to do it. This MUST be done. It's too good.

>>38303571

More simply, the reason why people don't like when an adult goes flap flap buzz buzz like he's a fucking bee is because that person looks and sounds INSANE, which means he can do ANYTHING INSANE later on, such as pulling out a fucking weapon and murdering everyone.

Understand this: going bzz bzz and pretending to be a bee is on par with school shootings to a normal mind. It's fucking crazy, bros. It just is. If I saw a dude going flap flap near me, I'd fucking run, because nobody knows what comes next with such madness.

>>38304860
I have zilch ability to care about the way they think due to the fact that they lack all empathy. They are concerned with not getting snake hospitals. I just want to be a bee and accept all ostriches.

You will thank me when the penguins strike.

>>38304876
I am very easy to interpret as a troll for some reason.

I see. So it is better to be upset all the time than have no feeling? I don't get this logic. At least with no emotion you are blind to further hurt.

Please don't get mad wasn't, but I would yell apologies over and over afterwards until they got annoyed with me and said to shut up.

>>38303636
>Guys I usually look in the crotch, I rarely see their faces. No emotions come over me for me.

Dude... You understand that gestures have meaning, right? Guess what staring at a man's crotch means. Try it out. Tell me. You crotch-gazer.

>>38303636
>If everyone turned a blind eye to it, I would rape.

And that's why you're a dangerous individual, Coats. People feel it and rightfully avoid you. Don't be surprised you are shunned when you're a rapist inside. You'd shun yourself.

>>38304932
>Retardation
Now you can see why I called myself a literal retard. Everyone thinks that.

If they get brain damage, that is permanent, not temporary like the pains of rape. That is totally different sence. Salads are nutritious, they have lettuce and tomatoes.

>Sources on insight on self esteem
Would be quite useful

Predatory and clever. Caring is all a sham, predatory is realistic. At least people are being real in the second society. Honesty is the best policy.

>>38305398
>>38303636
Got to admit I do this a lot too. It's more to do with threat than anything like attraction. I doubt Comrade Winter is a homo, just struggling with something familiar.

>>38303810
>Hmm. I think this makes a lot more sense than what Nick was saying.

It doesn't. Keep in mind you're both psychopaths, are fucked up by abuse, and can't see straight to save your lives. You more so than Dan. You carpet-shitting, salad-giving would-be rapist. Holy shit.

We have a lot of material to work with now. It's precious.

>>38303810
>Why is this so hard to tolerate?

The company would lose money because of you. Are you going to pay that back? No. That's why your shit won't be tolerated. If you break someone's belongings and you don't pay back, you're out of here.

>>38304954
I see. That is good. I get emotionally bothered by deleting another person's work, but try to put it past me to post.

>Open new thread
That is very good indeed, better than losing it all.

>Maintain quality
That does make sense Nick. Better to not snap at people all night because you got no sleep. Perhaps you are as selfless as you say. Perhaps. It is just hard to believe.

>Harder to help when you are down
See above. Makes sense now that I think about it.

>Color-blind animal who hates red and charges.
That is hard indeed. How do I assume people do more than I understand? It is there perhaps, but it doesn't make sense. How am I supposed to handle something that doesn't make sense?

Have to go, will be back in a bit.

>>38303951
>pretending to be a bee is quite far from the norm) a

You guys need me to point out the obvious that nobody pointed out so far.

It's actually COMPLETELY within the norm, but it's what children do; children do this stuff every fucking day. Coats, you have arrested development, you behave like a ten-year-old and still haven't realised it; even less than ten for the carpet-shitting example; you want to do what babies like to do, babies and young kids.

>>38303958
>This is why rapists who do the act are retarded.

Wrong, you don't understand rapists more than you understand normal people. Rapists are retarded because they don't realise the harm they do. If they did, they'd not do it, it'd be impossible for them. This is one of your main problems.

>>38305444
Pains of rape can in worst case scenarios become permanent. If you're raped as a teen, your cognition and perception of reality will become warped and retarded, so to speak.

You underestimate how much damage psychological issues can cause.

Even if you believe caring is a sham, does that mean you don't want to care? Do you want to be the same as everybody else? Do you want to be an ignorant, careless person like everybody else? Do you think that even in a careless society, the best option is to be a cynical fuck like everybody else?

>>38304085
>What is the reason to live if you can't pretend to be a bee every once in a while?

You can, when drunk, that's partly why people drink, so they can act fucked up and be like children again. For me, I never have any desire to pretend I am a bee. One day, you won't either. That stuff is fun when you're a kid but then you move on to more fun things to do.

>>38305371
i would not be sad all the time, my childhood wasnt that shitty. with proper working emotions i would be sad when bad stuff happened and then get over it and be happy for the rest of the time. being happy most of the time and sad sometimes sounds like a more attractive option to me than feeling nothing and being scared sometimes.

> I would yell apologies over and over afterwards until they got annoyed
this is also not apologizing. it's shouting a phrase repeatedly trying to force someone you hurt into ignoring what you did.

>>38304085
>Why does everyone get paranoid by a man who just wants to be a bee and is not bothering anyone?

I explained that already, but it's because you are literally a danger when you do this. You signal to everyone that you are fucking insane, and doing this kind of crap has you in the same category as insane people who shoot up clubs and schools. It's that far gone. So you scare people. Understand that going nuts like this is equally as crazy as shooting up people: it's insane. So people expect anything from someone who pulls stunts like you do. Nobody will think, "That's just an emotionally arrested mentally ill person," they'll think you're a danger. And you are!

>>38304251
>Most aren't as selfless as me and thus can't in turn be as empathetic.

You do realise that your psychopathy score is precisely a lack of empathy, right? Psychopathy is when you have no empathy, and it comes from your own lack of emotions, feelings, and understanding of yourself. You're more like a machine than a human when it comes to such things. You think more like a machine than the Terminator.

>>38304251
>They see a woman being raped and they are like "That poor woman" when they don't see the salad or other things that the rapist does for her.

You fucking moron, pardon my French, don't you understand that the "comfort" a salad gives you never compares with rape? Do you realise how disconnected you are from reality?

Being raped means you'll have major psychological issues, incredible mental pain on top of the physical one, which won't compare to the mental one. Forever onwards, you'll have horrible memories you can torture yourself with constantly. It's like you have zero understanding of what actually happens to a human being who gets raped. It's fascinating, and sad.

>>38304285
>Punishment is the reason one should veer off rape.

No, robot, the reason you should not rape is because of the pain you force on the person you rape. How do you not get this?

Do you ever imagine being raped yourself? What happens when you think about that?

>>38304085
Imagine that a man approaches you in the street and starts to scream as loud as he can, wouldn't that scare you?

>>38304322
>There is though enough money to justify woman being raped. It's called prostitution.

Dan, you're retarded. If you think prostitution is anywhere near rape, you aren't out of the woods yet.

>>38304444
>Ergo, a little bitch.

Quads, and you have way more to worry about than being a little bitch. You're a terrifying machine without the usual range of human emotions. You're a soul-killing robot of doom. I hope we can make progress together.

>>38304444
>Most rapists do such because they don't have any woman to have sex with them.

That's completely wrong. You clearly have zero understanding of rapists. Rapists like imposing themselves, it's not about getting sex. It's about sadism: making someone suffer, this is what turns them on. Rapists typically have partners. They could get sex normally. But it's not the same to them.

Your knowledge of rapists is another sign of your disconnect with the world.

>>38304444
>If women friends were just more willing to have casual sex, this wouldn't be such a problem.

This is utterly insane. It really is. Man, you are so fucking out there. It's lunar.

>>38305837
That's why I also added that in this case it's not forceful.

>>38301293
>tfw nobody responded to my problem
Thx for the help guise

>>38305993
By feeling strange you mean all that weird stuff you said?

>>38304586
>I always thought it was because they were sadists. Would be interesting in some statistic on it.

Coats is dead wrong on this. You are correct, rapists like to rape. They're in it for the rape, not just for sex. Coats is so up his own ass that he can't imagine another motive than what his own would be for rape. Coats may not even understand the pleasure a sadist feels when torturing someone.

>>38306083
What weird stuff are you talking about?

>>38304620
>Probably minecraft. A video game.

Bitch, I bought Minecraft in 2010, before children and autists made it their shameful plaything.

>>38306120
>Coats may not even understand the pleasure a sadist feels when torturing someone.
Just for a new angle on this, we watch horror films for the thrill; to watch atrocities committed against a person and to wince and giggle, and to feel all the safer behind our sofas.

>>38306147
Mental attacks and kids problems making you hard

>>38305284
did u forget about me tho senpai

>>38304715
>I explained to Nick earlier, a salad can justify rape.

Let's test this theory. Suppose a man rapes you and gives you a salad. Does that still work? Or are you fucked in the head enough not to understand what rape is?

You said you don't feel comfortable being held, so how much more would you hate another man's penis forcefully raping your asshole, tearing it up and causing you intense pain as he enjoys your suffering?

A salad is worth all this? Are you sure? If you think a salad is worth this physical pain and the mental scar that follows, you truly are the grandest of all cucks.

Will want a response on this.

>>38304715
>there are no permanent issues with rape.

Again, you are wrong. Some people are permanently altered by rape. Like my mother. The damage goes on to affect other people. Entire generations get fucked by rape. Your fucked up mother might be the same type of case, by the way. The damage is virtually endless.

>>38306229
Blame his mother, and the rest of this society that abhors masculinity. It takes stubbornness, spite or obliviousness to be male these days. You can hardly blame him for being to obliging when his mind has been under assault by propagandists conspiring to make a eunuch of him. Of us all.

>>38297476
Hello Nick, it's my first time posting on your threads.

I'm a 20 year old guy with no sexual experience, no friends, I never had much of a social life anyways, and I just realized that in this year of my life, I still haven't had a single birthday party with any of my friends, I probably went out with my friends about 5-6 times in my life, with huge periods of time in between, it feels horrible.

I want to ask you a question? Since we are social beings, is it possible for someone to live happily without friends? I'm in the high functioning side of the spectrum, and one of my main characteristics at the moment is how antisocial I actually am, I have a hard time caring about others, which takes its toll on my relations since I don't even care enough to compliment other people in the morning, or do any kind of greetings at all.