What is the best political ideology and why? >inb4 communism

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>>38200514
left libertarianism

I'm kinda in the fence between communism and capitalism..I agree with communism in some part but disagree in others,same with capitalism..what the fuck am I??!!

>>38200668
an idiot. original

>>38200698
Yeah honestly I'm retarded

>>38200698
>not being on either extreme end of the spectrum makes you an idiot

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The one that let's you do coke and fuck 14 year olds and shoot your neighbor for violating the NAP

>>38200745
communism is terrible. capitalism is the way to go
and since this isnt /pol


/thread

Center Left Nationalism with Social Libertarian Confederate views.

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>>38200754
>tfw no violent leftist gv to peg me into submission.

why even life bros.

Being neutral to the point of being authoritarian to others is the way to go. Ideals and those who follow them are scum. I recognize i am scum but to a point i am better than them.

>>38200668
Huh,I'm kinda like this too,I wonder if there's a political ideology like this

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Classical liberalism.
Not to be confused with the drastically different modern liberalism.

>>38200514
The best ideology is no ideology. React and adapt. Get what you want however you can.

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>>38200514
Handshakeology

Centrism is the only way. Being ANYTHING other than a moderate would just be silly.
Different political contexts require different political stances.

Just like being anything other than agnostic or bisexual would just be insane. Same thing.

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>>38200514
Only extremism will create visible results within your lifetime and won't be easy to take over by other ideologies.

Communism, national socialism, anarcho-capitalism. You could also go for that disgrace of an ideology that is known as modern liberalism, but no self-aware person survived there for more than a few days.

By the way, identity politics is shit.

>>38201069
Why not be insane?

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Fascism. Many are very ignorant of it but it's truly the only political ideology that works to greatly benefit society and the well being of each and every individual.

>best
>political
>ideology
All these spooks. The best government is the spookless one, so none. Fuck off

good economic policies that let everyone people live well i think is the best ideology

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BBCism

>>38201077
>By the way, identity politics is shit.
You can choose not to play, but you're still wearing a jersey.

universal income when?
us NEETs need money to live on

>>38201122
Why should everyone live well? Shouldn't the best people live well, and the worst people live badly?

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>>38200754
I...I felt my dick twitch a little.

Capitalist Confederate Christian dictatorship

>>38201140
Who defines "best" and "worst" is the problem. Either help no one or help everyone since choosing who gets help will just lead to a biased selection.

>>38201168
>choosing who gets help will just lead to a biased selection.
Why not make a biased selection? Stop falling for the equality meme.

>>38201140
what's the "best people" and what's the "worst people"?

i think everyone should live well, and after that criminals could be punished by law and overachievers can amass fortunes if that's their will

>>38201191
>stop falling for the equality meme
>doesn't understand that unequal environments lead to unequal results

>>38201214
What's wrong with unequal results? You're still falling for it.

>>38201203
No. Egalitarianism is slavery. Nobody should live well if they didn't work for it. A meritocracy should be in place to ensure that only the best reach the stars.

>>38201214
Equal environments lead to unequal results as well. People are different and will always be different. You fell for the meme, Anon.

>>38200514
I believe the level of civilisation we've reached is too high. The best place for humans is small tribes, where we are at an equilibrium with nature. We have just enough food survive but still have to be occupied in acquiring it. I can't play the game that is society. I want to move away but it's all illegal. There are too many people (not necessarily whites) and it just isn't a good challenge anymore
>inb4 you never lived in a tribe

>>38201265
The only reason we left tribes is out of necessity. Modern technology only exists to sustain 7 billion people. The best you can do is hope for a plague.

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Social liberalism with a strong emphasis on an individual to work and sacrifice for a common goal. Not through taxation (although it will exist), but through self sacrifice. Anti-fascist and Anti-Communist. Think Kennedy + Adenauer

>>38201265
That's how i feel, too. I think that we progressed beyond what is recommended for an intelligent race to be happy. I bet aliens didn't visit us yet because they reversed themselves back to simple tribes to avoid suffering.

>>38201249

>Nobody should live well if they didn't work for it.

What if they did work for it? How would you ensure that they got the good life?

Right now there are people doing a lot of money's worth of labor, yet receiving only a tiny fraction of the value they generate, because the bourgeoisie has forcibly commandeered the means of production.

If a stock pays you dividends, you don't say you're paying the stock. But bourgies have the gall to say that they "pay" their employees, when their employees are actually generating far more value, i.e., paying dividends to them!

Apolitical

/thread

>>38201311
I actually believe the opposite. I think aliens came down and actually made us smarter, either to be better slaves or to take their place. They didn't give all humans the ability to handle the advanced intelligence though.

Either way, I just hope it crashes eventually and maybe we can go back to how it was supposed to be

>>38201249
i agree with you. kids of rich people should be sent to be raised by families in ghettos, so that no one lives well if they don't work for it

actually i don't believe that. it's ridiculous. i think people should be given the means to 'reach the stars'. sons and daughters of poor families don't have this opportunity. i'm not saying that everyone should be rich, but everyone should have some standard of living when they're born that allows them to 'reach the stars' if they're good enough, or stay where they are if they aren't

>>38200987
Classical liberalism has become a meme.

>>38201339
The fundamental unit of society is the family, not the individual.

>>38201383
you mean that individuals should suffer because they were born in bad families? that's great

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>>38200514
Nazbol stronk, cannot be defeat

No nazbol country has EVER been defeated

>>38201383
>break family apart
>get individuals
I really wonder how that happened if families are fundamental

>>38201405
If they're born in a bad family they're likely to be a bad individual, so yes that's fine.

>>38200745
No. Thinking that whatever weird parts of capitalism and communism you want to mix means that there's not a thousand ideologies in between makes you an idiot.
I have a sharp feeling the person who said that knows almost nothing about capitalism or communism.

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>>38200668
Sounds like you're looking for, some might say, a third position?

>>38201426
Break apart every family in the country and see if you have a society left.

>>38201429

Who is to say who is a "bad family" and who is a "good family"? How would you determine that?

>>38201453
What is good, what is bad? What is up, what is down? What is red or blue? It must be so confusing to be a postmodernist.

>>38201445
Take away all the individuals and see if you have any families left

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>>38200754
Right authoritarian really is me.
Goddamn why can't I not be so attracted to sand niggers.
Hurts every time.

>>38201320
Adapt to the market. You obviously can't reach the stars if you work at McDonald's.

>>38201339
They do have this opportunity. They just have to work harder for it because their parents didn't show the merit that is required to succeed in a meritocracy. At some point all families had to begin with nothing. The rich guys from across the street had a poor great-great-great-grandfather that worked his ass off to make a fortune and pass it on to his kids.

>>38201453
Why do you insist that some authoritarian entity has to determine that? It's going to determine itself when that individual shows how the family raised him by either reaching the stars or sinking alone because of his incompetency.

>>38200514
It's whatever system people want to follow. Honestly, we could reach the stars if people wanted it as much as money or power. But they don't and that's fine. All "problems" beyond food, water, and shelter are made up by people. It drives me crazy but I try to stay away from it all as much as possible

>>38201488
Is one individual a family? If not, how can an individual be a society? On the other hand, one family by themselves IS a society, in miniature.

>>38200668
>>38200968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
might be what you're after?

>>38201581
A individual can survive by itself. It gets more powerful the more likeminded individuals it works with but it can survive.
Societies don't have to exist. They are a natural by product of people trying to work together for a common good, but it doesn't have to exist.

>>38201249
>Thinking that meritocracy leads to having the elites being the "best people"
Really no. The elites are just the same as the worst criminals because the only way to "reach the stars" is to cheat your way up.

>>38201620
Nothing *has* to exist. What's your point?

>>38201648
>implying cheating isn't meritorious
They won, didn't they?

>>38201654
There is no point to any of it, so why waste your breath saying the family is the fundamental unit in society when it is a society in and of itself? It's fundamentally not if it can be broken down further

>>38201620
Wrong. No human can exist on his own. Even cavemen teamed up as hunters-gatherers, because living on your own as a human wasn't possible. Nowadays humans could live on their own but only thanks to the inventions made by societies.

>>38201648
The less rules there are the less ways to cheat there are.

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>>38200514
Communism is literally the redpill.

>>38201695
With a yellow tint of piss.

>>38201672
>>38201687
Yeah. That s it, let s put everyone in a zoo so they can kill each other and call it "meritocracy"
Individualism destroys the poeple and bring the worst of what a human being is capable of.

>>38201333
You do not /thread your own post, but seeing how your opinion is objectively correct + you got trips, I'll grant you a /thread.

/thread

>>38201687
So every tribesman that got lost died instantly? There isn't a single instance where a person lived without the help of "modern" technology? I find that very hard to believe. It's obviously not easy and is beneficial to act as a group, but it's a group fueled by individuals and their respective motives.

>>38201516
you genuinely believe that people can "reach the stars" by sheer force of will if they're "good" somehow. wow. that's really bizarre to me

people born in poor families are likely to be dumb because of poor parenting and poor education. from the get-go, they don't have the resources to "make it". they don't "just have to work harder", i don't think you've been around poor people enough or you think they're dumb and make bad decisions just because that's their will

but if you think they should just fuck off and die because they were born in poor families (even though taking kids from poor families and making rich families raise them makes a world of difference), then that's fine

>>38201686
If you break it down any further it isn't a society anymore. That's what I meant.

>>38201762
>people born in poor families are likely to be dumb because of poor parenting and poor education.
Alternatively, their parents are dumb and since intelligence is heritable, their kids are too. The "cycle of poverty" is just genetics.

>>38201810
My official position is that advanced civilisation was a mistake and that the ideal human society is hunter/gather and small agricultural tribes. This conversation isn't going anywhere because I'm guessing you are a new wave right winger, and while I agree with some tenets of that, I don't think more regulated society is the answer. Let nature take care of it

>>38201727
Stop lying to yourself. The worst of what a human being is capable of is in fact the essence of a human being. The modern sugar coating that's sold to you as humanity evolved artificially and in no way reflects what humans.

>>38201762
What's bizarre to you? Bad genes that shouldn't be spread? I don't believe it, I know it. I'm a prime example of it. My family was financially prominent before WW2 and then lost everything. I grew up in a shithole and made my way out of it because my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents lacked the will to do so, but the positive genes remained.

>>38201707
because the truth is ugly

The only political position I hold is that it's better to be dead than red.

I don't care otherwise

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>>38201077
>"identity politics is shit"
>posts a picture of hitler

>>38201444
confirmed

Fascism. I don't like the welfare state of National Socialism but everything else about Fascism is perfect.

>>38201599
Hug that's really interesting might have to read up about social democracy...any good books?

>>38201956
It's shit, but I still get behind it.

>>38201975
It's the best shit.

>>38201444
national "socialism" is just ethno capitalism

>>38201839
>>38201889
you haven't done any reading on this

>>38201975
if it's shit why do you get behind it

>>38201889
No i am sorry but you don t know what you are talking about. I live in a small village, where everyone know him and his peers, everyone is happy and caring about each other.
I have been living in some of those cities capitalism created, and it s the worst filth possible, i guess i don t have to detail you any of that.
People can be nice, caring and genuinely good, but modern society (the one you are supporting) devcided to put this behind for the sake of a minority, and all you find to say is "hey these guys have it better, lets do like them".

>>38202019
You're replying to two different people. As to the heritability of IQ, it's about 80% by the time you reach adulthood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates

>inb4 "muh wikipedia"
There are plenty of citations.

>>38202157
not talking about that. adopted children of poor make good income of their own. both of you don't know that

>>38200514
Fascism. Then improve yourself in order to fit within your own ideals.

>>38202197
>adopted children of poor make good income of their own
Not on average, or in any significant amount.

>>38202215
Fascism is for closet cuckolds with weird daddy issues

>>38202039
Wow, it's almost as if knowing everyone, depending on them and not being anonymous forces you to limit or abstain from certain behaviors that aren't good for your survival in a society. The less limited humans are the more true they become. Capitalist filth, no matter how bad, reflects humans more because it is less limited.

I don't support modern societies, by the way.

>>38202019
>>38202197
>both of you don't know that
But we do. Did you ever look into what makes them make more income, or did you just hear about kids making good income and made your own flawed conclusions?

I've done my reading, I've experienced poverty first-hand and I still stand by my point that most poor families are poor because of shit genes and weak will.

>>38202254
So is everything I don't like.

>>38202254
and you're a doo-doo head

>>38202270
Fucking hell if you put hundreads of gorillas in the same cage they will end up killing each other ,and yes only the "best" one will survive. Is that what you want as a human society ?
We could just kill half these gorillas, and let the other one live peaceful lives in the nature you know.

>>38202314
I'm not saying that I want that as a human society. I'm only saying that this is what humans truly are at their cores, no matter what range of limitations they adapt to.

>>38202351
"Homo homini lupus est" we got it. It doesnt mean we can t fight it back, it doesn t mean other forms of societies doesn t exist.

Also it s 5 am so i m probably going to stop posting anyways.

Which one lets me NEET it up the best?

Can anyone here explain to me what's the difference between socialist democracy and social democracy...or are they the same thing?

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A E S T H E T I C I S M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>>38200514
the one that's 3 rows down5 rows to the left and one row backwards

>>38200754
"oh god im going to free market" kek

>>38200994
reactionary faggot

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The west is the best right wing conservative . Closed borders. Anti authoriatarian small government

With /r9k/'s natural cynicism and skepticism towards anything promising us a better life, I would have expected most of us to be either apolitical or politically mercenary, choosing out of pure self-interest, not respect of any principles.

>>38201889
>posts on r9k
>made it out of the shithole
Lmao my sides