Psychological Issues #85

Would it be wrong to slit a woman's dog's throat if she fucked it, and make her watch it bleed out? Just something I was thinking about. If it was your gf, say. Just to be clear, this is a hypothetical scenario.

>>38176434
Gee what do you think?

Also hello everyone.

>>38176434

Yes, because the dog hasn't done anything wrong. Think of the dog.

>>38176453

Sup.

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>>38176434
>killing a dog because someone fucked it

better stay away from mine then

>>38176434
Poor doggo. I could barely understand if it did something barking all day and night,or assaulting someone, but killing it just to hurt her is obviously wrong. Making her watch makes the whole thing even more fucked up

I got no problems to share aside from a bad case of the autism. I'm here to watch.

>>38176628

I doubt you have autism. It's extremely overdiagnosed. 90% of "autists" aren't autists.

https://youtu.be/2NiinYItZEY

Have some ghost stuff.

>>38176620
I think he ment if the girl fucked the dog not just to hurt her.

>>38176434
It would be okay in my eyes, because you'd be taking that pleasure away from her.

Hello.

I dont know why but i have a love/hate relationship with birds, i really do care about them, but when im around them too much i feek this insatiable desire to harm them. Sadly ive given in before and i feel very guilty about it. I got rid of my other birds so it wont happen again but i still feel the guilt

>>38176434
She probably doesn't care about the dog this much. It would be a waste.

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This morning was kinda shitty, so you get another rorschach test in the form of a portrait. Bonus point if someone manage to understand who is she

>>38176726
>It would be okay in my eyes,

How do you justify this? In what way does the dog deserve to be killed? Tell me.

>>38176663
>90% of "autists" aren't autists.
Source?

>>38176770
She looks tired. No idea who she is.

>>38176770

It's pretty good. I don't know who she is though. An Italian actress?

>>38176798

All the "autists" I've discussed with. 9 times out of 10, their symptoms are entirely attributable to other causes and conditions. Same deal in the school system.

Just because someone has social anxiety or hasn't learned to socialise doesn't make them an autist. Autism is something you're born as, while nearly all the symptoms shown by "autists" around here are not.

>>38176801
>>38176799
Italian journalist Oriana fallaci. From what i know she was also pretty famous in the U.S.A.

>>38176858

I wasn't too far!

>>38176770
The left and right halves of her face look like different persons to me.

>>38176842
What kind of symptoms do autists around here show? Aside from the running autistic robot joke?

>""""'"'""""'psychology""""""""""" thread
You people haven't touched a book about psychology in your lives

>>38176924
>What kind of symptoms do autists around here show? Aside from the running autistic robot joke?

Social anxiety, anxieties of various kinds. When people here conider themselves autists, it's usually something that has to do with socialising. Most here have severe empathy issues, but in my experience, it's never related to autism.

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>>38176890
It was actually an old sketch i tried to salvage . That's probably the reason. Here is the original picture.

>>38176939
>You people haven't touched a book about psychology in your lives

I most definitely have. Plenty of books on top of actual psychologists and therapists. That said, when it comes to psychology, books can only lead you so far, you need to meet the real thing to have a proper idea of what you're dealing with. You can read about various disorders, it's much more difficult to meet someone with said disorder and have time to talk it out and get to know abnormal minds.

>>38176726
Hello to you too.

>>38176753
In my imagination, she loves the dog a great deal

>>38176785
Violating its role in the pack hierarchy

>>38176620
See above. It would be mainly to hurt her, but I also wondered about a scenario where she was subtly encouraged to do it just to justify killing it later. Have her form this perverse bond then take it from her. It doesn't exactly turn me on, but the whole scene does something for me. The muscular wriggling under my weight, the gargling whine and the sticky warmness on my thighs. Remember, this is just a fantasy. No dogs have been fucked or knifed.

>>38176858
What does this have to do with the rorschach test

>>38176985
>Violating its role in the pack hierarchy

You think a dog is this conscious of rules known to you? Or that such a small offense makes the dog deserve brutal death? It's not even empathy at this point, it's basic maths.

Mention this to your therapist.

>>38176995

Zeno's portait evoked very different things to the psychopaths here, each seeing his own projection in a woman's face. One saw disgust, the other thought she was uppity, whereas she was fairly neutral.

>>38177039
I will mention it tomorrow, but that kind of thing a beast knows implicitly. A pack animal. To do so is to invite challenge, and potentially death.

>>38176995
In theory nothing, but i posted another drawing a few days ago and people started discussing about the expression of it: somebody thought that she was disgusted, other that she simply looked like a bitch. In the end Nick (i think) joked about it comparing to a rorschach test

>>38176770
>>38176953
i dont know what emotion that is, but you captured it very well

>>38176978
You're not a psychologist though and you're giving people advice and sharing the worst kinds of information without knowing what the fuck you're talking about. You're the worst kind of pseud because you actually take your bullshit seriously

>>38176949
I see. That line of thinking makes autism sound like a cheap cop out for social anxiety.

>>38177066

What did the dog do exactly?

You're saying the woman fucked the dog? If so, the woman, being a human, is clearly on top hierarchically speaking, so it didn't violate anything, it got violated by a superior. All the more reason not to punish the dog or use it to hurt someone else. That's just vile.

>>38177079
That was the autistic person speaking. I forgot to namefag.

>>38177104
Why should the dog be protected? It's just an animal.

>>38177077
>You're not a psychologist though

Sorry, I forgot that you knew me personally. How would you know what I am or am not?

>you're giving people advice and sharing the worst kinds of information

Everything I share is verifiable; I usually give links to things that have hundreds of articles written about them, so it's not hard to find a second opinion that would be exactly the same.

>without knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

I know very well what I'm talking about. I have more experience with many types of cases than professionals.

>You're the worst kind of pseud because you actually take your bullshit seriously

What makes you think I'm a "pseud"? You wouldn't know the difference between an amateur and a professional. If you had actual remark, you would have been precise.

I won't embarrass you by challenging you, because I know the only thing you could come up with is more vague accusations and nothing concrete.

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So yesterday out of boredom i did that empathy test you posted a while ago. Apparently i got the empathy quotient of a potato.

>>38177079
>That line of thinking makes autism sound like a cheap cop out for social anxiety.

It's a misdiagnosis at best. The bad part of it is that it makes people assume it's natural and incurable, when it's neither.

>>38177163
Killing animals just for fun doesn't make you alpha anon. Especially a dog that probably will not even try to defend himself if he knows you

>>38177163
>Why should the dog be protected? It's just an animal.

So are you. There's no point in this. It's conscious, that's what matters. No consciousness deserves unwarranted pain and death. It's merely a matter of logic here, you don't even need any empathy to comprehend that.

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>>38177186

It's still a lot more than some around here. A lot less than my own.

>>38177104
No, she would be the alpha female.

>>38177251

I don't know what you're saying no to. The woman is still superior to the dog so I don't see how any of what you said makes sense. But even if it was that way, you can't justify murdering a dog like that, you should, instead, admit it just turns you on because you're fucked up. Don't beat around the bush, it's healthier.

>>38177072
I think it's a combination of tiredness and romantic melancholy, if it even makes sense. That or she was already ill when the photo was taken (lungs tumor)

>>38177201
>it makes people assume it's natural and incurable, when it's neither
Which is counter-productive. We agree on that.

>>38177302
Damn.
My namefag doesn't want to stick I don't know why.

>>38177302

Absolutely. Anons, especially on this board, will give up very quickly if they sense any difficulties incoming, and all the more so if they are given excuses.

"I'm autistic, it's not my fault, there's nothing I can do to change," and on it goes. I've worked with literal autists, and it's just not the same. There's a huge difference between literal autism and social anxiety. They may overlap in some ways, but they're distinct. Similarly, lack of empathy, as shown ITT, is not autism, though it can also overlap on some issues.

>>38177330
Automatic cookie/cache deletion?

https://youtu.be/8GW6sLrK40k

E S T H E T I C

>>38177290
It's more the woman's face - her guilt and helplessness - that I'm fixating on. I don't really imagine the dog having agency.

>>38177360
How useful will it be to give drugs against anxiety to discern real autism against said social anxiety? Benzos are almost without side effects as far as i know

>>38177414

Give some background because I can't piece this stuff up. There's a woman who annoyed you and she has a dog, right?

>>38177446
>How useful will it be to give drugs against anxiety to discern real autism against said social anxiety?

Drugs aren't the solution. They mitigate the symptoms, but that's like putting a pillow on your alarm clock instead of waking the fuck up.

I'm not even sure it'd be wise to say autists have social anxiety, because it's not the same as it is for non-autists.

Benzos can make you forget entire days. That's why I stopped. People would come up to me (in chat) and tell me they enjoyed talking to me, and I had no memories of talking to them, but they could tell very private things I had shared.

The only cases where I'd recommend medication is when it's virtually certain to be a mechanical problem. The rest of the time, people have perfectly valid reasons to be depressed, and need to work on those reasons, not the mind's reaction.

>>38177446
I was initially diagnosed with social anxiety. Benzos don't help aside from slight relief coming from feeling sedated when taking high doses.
Sedatives gave better superficial results because they made me more apathetic to sensory overload and thus calmed me down a great deal.
The best cure for me was patience and self-awareness and getting rid of the medication helped.

>>38177512
How long did you were on benzos? My idea was also to use something with very short duration just to do a diagnosis, because some of them have immediate effects.
It also appears that someone tried to use them for autism https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/antianxiety-drugs-successfully-treat-autism/
Old af article (2014)

Hey Nick, my brother lies about everything and anything. he'll try to rationalize even when he's utterly wrong.
it seems to me, when he lies, he's trying to convince himself, not us.
whats wrong wit dis nigga?

>>38177457
There's no woman, nor a dog. It's abstract.

>>38177512
>>38177589
Random rant, this is why i fucking hate neuropharmacology, it doesn't make any sense, half of the time there are no results (ssri are useless in a lot of patients with depression just to cite something) and it doesn't even give resl results when it works.

>>38177639
trsut me when I say he has a good reason to lie and that reason is most likely scary as shit

>>38176785
I'm back from DQ. It's a dog. It's easy to form a new attachment to another dog. The dog should be killed to hurt the person.

>>38177589
>I was initially diagnosed with social anxiety.

I don't know how professionals even do this. That's like diagnosing someone with "watery eyes" because they're crying, without finding out why. Social anxiety is not a condition, it's a symptom, a detail in a broader picture.

And when the prescribe meds for it, it's just terrible.

>>38177625
>How long did you were on benzos?

Not long.

Autism that can get cured by a pill isn't autism.

>>38177184
Ok sure thing bud if you knew anything about therapy you'd know how useless it is to give counsel to someone over the internet. I've talked to profesionals online with actual degrees and they always recommend to go and see someone in person. And I know you're a hack just by that butthurt parahraph you've giving me. Besides the fact that your counsel is fucking retarded and i quote
>What did the dog do exactly?
>You're saying the woman fucked the dog? If so, the woman, being a human, is clearly on top hierarchically speaking, so it didn't violate anything, it got violated by a superior. All the more reason not to punish the dog or use it to hurt someone else. That's just vile.
You think this is good advice? Get out of here you fucking pseud. There's nothing i hate more than a talentless pseud

>>38177039
>You think a dog is this conscious of rules known to you?
Dogs understand the hierarchy mentality. There's a reason why there's an alpha. You can say that we are above these things, but we aren't.

>>38177639
>it seems to me, when he lies, he's trying to convince himself, not us.

Might very well be. The purpose usually is to hear his lies from other people, as what other people say is always more convincing. Maybe he has such a fragile ego that he can't admit being wrong? Maybe he tries to compensate for low self-esteem. Maybe it's a way to try and control others, or his environment. I don't know.

>>38177652

I think you like attacking animals because they're weaker by nature, and they can't speak.

>>38177691

The only real results of meds is money made from you.

>>38177652
So what gave you this idea Facet?

>>38177772
>It's a dog. It's easy to form a new attachment to another dog. The dog should be killed to hurt the person.

Let's see how you like your line of thinking when it applies to you:

>you're a psychopath and a danger to other people
>it's easy to form attachment to someone other than you, someone who can care for others
>you should then be killed to hurt someone else

Apply this to yourself and realise you don't actually believe in it anymore, and the only thing that changed was that it was about you.

In other words, you don't think your ideas through, they're just a convenience to you.

>>38177893
Maybe it's just the constant bestiality baiting on this board. I just wondered what I would do in this situation and it sounded like a plausible excuse to do some extremely unusual emotional damage.

>>38177867
A powerful dog is quite strong. I hate them. I was very afraid of them as a child but now I hate them for daring to challenge me. I would like to take my revenge on them all for their arrogance.

>>38177823
>Ok sure thing bud if you knew anything about therapy you'd know how useless it is to give counsel to someone over the internet.

Too bad this is thread 85 and I correspond with many people by e-mail and there are results. I've also had phone conversations and such. It's not useless and many people don't feel like going to a therapist, or even speaking. Writing allows plenty of people to get some help.

>'ve talked to profesionals online with actual degrees and they always recommend to go and see someone in person

You've never seem me advise this? I do it in virtually every single thread since the very beginning. Most of the time, people either can't get therapy because of money, or are in therapy and don't find it useful.

>And I know you're a hack just by that butthurt parahraph you've giving me.

Giving you perfectly valid defenses is vastly different from being "butthurt". Don't flatter yourself.

>You think this is good advice?

That's not advice, that's discussion to test Facet's logic. Besides, Facet and I have hours and hours of background together, of which you know nothing, so I'm not sure what kind of assumption you're making here.

How the hell is this "advice"? What do I advise here exactly? Are you literally retarded?

Why are you staying around if you hate me so much? Why inflict that on yourself? Can you even have the balls to answer that?

>>38177919
>you're a psychopath and a danger to other people
I'm not all that dangerous. It's just my mentality that scares people like you.

>it's easy to form attachment to someone other than you
People are differ from dogs. That's why more people kill themselves over a lost loved one rather than a dog. It'd be harder to get over me.

>you should then be killed to hurt someone else
This is the only thing that made sense. If you want to hurt someone, hurt the things they care about the most.

>>38177831
>Dogs understand the hierarchy mentality.

Dogs wouldn't imagine that anything would cause them to deserve being put to death.

>You can say that we are above these things, but we aren't.

Not sure what you're referring to. You're merely trying to suggest your line of thinking is OK because it's just like animals. It's bullshit.

If you can kill a dog just to hurt its owner, you're quite disconnected from the way most humans think.

>>38177823
If someone is desperate enough to look for help in r9k do you seriously think that person gives two fucks if the one helping has a degree or if it actually helps?

>>38177968
>it sounded like a plausible excuse to do some extremely unusual emotional damage.

Why would you even want to do that?

>I was very afraid of them as a child but now I hate them for daring to challenge me. I would like to take my revenge on them all for their arrogance.

As you did with that hedgehog. Remember this: if you feel this threatened by dogs, or anything else, that you'd revel in hurting them, that makes you a very puny person. Imagine that, the man who gets offended by stupid dogs.

I've never felt challenged by a dog because I know dogs don't act on the level we do, nor do they take the same things into account. A dog can never truly challenge you. You're a human being. Dogs are like children, and they have the mentality of little human kids. Treat them as such, you're the adult here.

>>38178062
You of all people should know that I'm disconnected to people, but this way of thinking is a part of all of us. It's just buried deep down inside of us. It's apart of our roots. There are very few things that separates us from animals.

What's your guys' favorite animals? Why is that your favorite animal?

>>38177867
That's seems a pretty drastic judgment. As much as i hate it, you cannot deny that there is a biological base over depression, which imho inevitably mean it can be corrected with drugs. Maybe we have ineffective or inefficient one, but at least they do something sometimes (lithium is a pretty good example, it cure bypolar disorder, but don't know if the side effects are worth)

Changing completely subject, i managed to register myself for this exam. I have two week now and even if i have to get the minimum vote i must pass it this time

>>38178047
>I'm not all that dangerous. It's just my mentality that scares people like you.

You don't scare me. You are more dangerous than you know because you're unaware of the damage you can cause, since you made yourself immune to it. Just like an autist shaking your hand too hard isn't scary. It can hurt, but there's no fear involved.

> That's why more people kill themselves over a lost loved one rather than a dog.

That's because people don't normally fall in love with their dogs. Not sure that relates to the previous point though.


>It'd be harder to get over me.

Dogs have more empathy than you, how do you feel about that? Pretty sure dogs care about humans more than you ever have.

>This is the only thing that made sense. If you want to hurt someone, hurt the things they care about the most.

You're avoiding saying that you'd disagree about being killed for someone else's goal. You're dodging the situation, because you can't argue logically here, since it's not about logic.

Sometimes I wonder if this is really an empathy issue or mere, unadulterated mental retardation.

>>38178195
I like bears. No one fucks with a bear. They just do their thing, eat whatever they want and live alone.

Living the dream.

>>38178148
>but this way of thinking is a part of all of us.

That's what you tell yourself to feel better, but how would you know? You can't and don't. You have no idea how other people think, or how different your way is from the overwhelming majority of people.

>It's just buried deep down inside of us. It's apart of our roots.

If you were more precise, there could be some truth to your statement, but here it's clearly a way of saying, "I'm not an asshole, I'm who you're too scared to be because you're a hypocrite, while I'm the real deal."

Animals have more empathy than you, and it's a natural thing that helps preserve the pack. Were you a wolf among wolves, they'd eat you within a week, if not within the first hour. They'd spot that you only care for yourself, and that would be your doom. You may feel subtle, but most humans will detect the exact same thing about you, and will just avoid you.

>>38178230
That sounds nice. Pretty good reasons too.

>>38178118
>Why would you even want to do that?
If you don't get it, you probably won't get it. There's something rich in imagining the emotions involved; savouring them like a new delicacy.

>>38178118
Dogs have the means and the will to do you harm. I've often thought in those police programmes, the attack dogs ought to be thoroughly stabbed. They attack and should expect to be attacked in return. People are too frightened of them. An alsatian could be killed. It might be difficult but it could be done and enjoyed.

>>38178195
Dog are the obvious choice if we are talking about pets: they are men's best friend for a reason, plus leonberger are amazingly beautiful.
Otherwise, i like deer, they are majestic and strong without being violent (read: they make running away seems cool)

>>38178205
>you cannot deny that there is a biological base over depression,

Depending on what you mean, I can. All things psychological are biological, but that is not to say that the origin is always biological. In depression, most of the time, it's not.

>it can be corrected with drugs.

No, you can mitigate the symptoms of it but you don't treat the depression itself. People aren't depressed over nothing in most cases.

I'm not saying all meds are useless and a scam, but I'd reserve them exclusively for things that are obvious cases of cerebral dysfunction and have little to do with the way someone thinks. Personality disorders will rarely be helped with medication, for instance.

I wish you good luck for those two weeks of studying!

>>38178195
Have you heard of a boar spear? When you hunt a boar you need a special pronged spear because it will charge up the spear, skewering itself, just to get to you and kill you. What remarkable resolve and singular indomitability. I love pigs in general, they just make me so happy. Plus they're delicious.

>>38178230
Bears are cool. Did you know that they are also great wrestlers? Really, they have impeccable groundwork which is weird as fuck to see. There's a clip on YoutTube of an MMA commentator spectating a 'match'. The strangest thing. Positioning, leg control, it's all there somehow.

>>38178294
>If you don't get it, you probably won't get it. There's something rich in imagining the emotions involved; savouring them like a new delicacy.

I get it, but it's not as classy as you're trying to make it sound. You just want to be as weak and depraved as the people who hurt you. That alone should make you reject the desire.

>Dogs have the means and the will to do you harm.

Dogs will do so as a defensive means. Dogs don't want you hurt for the sake of it.

When a dog attacks, you'll never find the sort of sordid thoughts that accompany you when you fantasise about killing dogs.

You saying that attack dogs should expect being attacked is just a way to justify hurting them, despite you knowing full well that dogs don't think like that.

>>38178214
>You're avoiding saying that you'd disagree about being killed for someone else's goal
I wouldn't like to be killed for someone else's personal interests, but that's not up to me. I can't control what other people do.

>>38178382
>but that's not up to me. I can't control what other people do.

None of that is required to think about whether it's fair or unfair.

Time to sleep for me. Have a good one.

>>38178372
When you say things like this, are you aware of how manipulative you're attempting to be?

>>38178021
>can you even have the balls to answer that?
Sure i can. It pisses me off that you people try to turn these threads into some sort of ""profesional"" therapy group session while all the advice itt reeks of stupidity and misinformation. I've posted in these things before and all i got was "hmmm interesting", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. Being there for someone with a few problems, lending him an ear is a very good thing. Pretending like you are capable of giving professional counsel can be pretty damaging if the other person takes you seriously. My question is, do you actually have a degree in psychology?

>>38178253
>You may feel subtle, but most humans will detect the exact same thing about you, and will just avoid you
I don't think that this is entirely accurate. I do things for other to fit in. Sure I am selfish, but it doesn't actually show. If it does, I reassure people that I'm trying to help the collective. Even if they were to realize that everything I do is for my own personal gain it doesn't bother me. I'm not very social anyways, so it's not like anyone will find out.

>>38176228
Howdy hey, just saying hi
Not sure what to say, just want to talk and get a little more practice opening up

>>38178365
I did not know about bear wrestlers. Quite interesting.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if your favorite animal was boar. Fuckers are ferocious. A female boar with offspring is the most dangerous thing you can find in the forests where I live.

>>38178305
I like what you chose. It seems like you have a strong personality.

>>38178580
I think it reflects nicely on problems that each of us is dealing with. What'd be yours?

>>38178365
These are pretty interesting reasons to like an animal. It's kind of comical.

>>38178556
Here is something that Nick wouldn't understand: they are my favourite animal, but I can imagine them being at their most vital and beautiful fighting for their lives. I would try my best to kill a boar, having prepared and equipped myself appropriately. I would train for it, and fight with a melee weapon, and if I won I would eat it and take its strength into myself. There would be no disrespect in doing so. There would be admiration. Still, it's probably never going to happen unless I'm overseas. I'd love to hunt. It's just not legal here.

>>38178195
Regardless of whether anyone wants to know or not, my favorite animal is the octopus. There are so many cool things about this. Camouflage, reshaping itself, NO FUCKING BONES, and it's super regenerative healing ability. Finally, IT'S GOT EIGHT FUCKING ARMS, EIGHT

>>38178609
See this >>38178695. Also thanks for asking.

>>38178695
They are very cool. Very intelligent as well. As are swine, by the way.

>>38178775
>As are swine, by the way.
I did not know this. You have a great respect for them don't you?

>>38178688
As I said, we all value different things. I wouldn't think it's disrespectful either. People are different though which is what I like. Even for the people who frequent these threads, you have some who are fairly aggressive and impulsive and some who are repressed. You have some who have strong empathy and some who have next to none. And this is probably the biggest difference between Nick and you, me or eh for that matter.

On a different note, how come hunting is not legal? I thought it's legal in some way in most countries.

>>38178695
I'm really liking this.

Why do I get the feeling that the camouflage and reshaping itself are the most important for you. Maybe reflective of something in your personality.

>>38178896
It'd be really fucking cool to look/become someone else. If I could assume a different identity whenever, that'd be amazing.

>>38178819
>"We have shown that pigs share a number of cognitive capacities with other highly intelligent species such as dogs, chimpanzees, elephants, dolphins, and even humans," neuroscientist Lori Marino of Emory University and The Nonhuman Rights Project said in a press release.11 Jun 2015

Yes I do. I've thought about getting a tattoo actually.

>>38178832
In the UK, hunting is the preserve of the wealthy. It's been sustained after that model via covert means. It's possible to obtain a hunting license if you have written support from a 'person of good standing' whom you know personally. This means a doctor, a law practitioner, judge or so on. Thus it's been kept in the hands of the privileged quite intentionally, even if not the aristocracy.

>>38178967
Huh, pigs are pretty cool. I mostly just thought of them as just things like cows. Living in their own shit.

>>38179024
Who doesn't like a wallow now and then? I also like dark and ruined places. A small step from a squalid hovel to a sty.

>>38179110
>Who doesn't like a wallow now and then?
Yeah. It's always nice to think about comfy things.

>>38178517
You and me both. What's your main hobby?

>112 replies
>18 posters
>full of rpging faggots

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>>38179414
>rpging faggots
I believe that this is the ship you were looking for

>>38179529
>the first person that answer is one of the biggest rping faggots
not surprised at all

>>38179329
>still coming at the end of the thread

>>38179649
You're fucking retarded you faggot.