Can someone give me a logical reason as to why people people

Normies can not deviate from what society expects from them.

for women, biological imperative.

for men, because after you're done being a child, you never get to interact with one ever again.

i seriously cannot remember the last time i held or touched a child.

Because people want to go to their death bed knowing they've left a mark on the world besides giving Mr. Shekelstein some extra dollars in his pocket.

>>38165672
My friend always says to me "am I gonna be the best man at your wedding?" or "our kids will play together" i told him I don't plan on having kids or getting married, he thinks I'm joking but I would never want someone to feel the confusion and suffering of life

>>38165697
so, biological imperative for both?

This. Personally, I can;t see myself as a father and I honestly don't want the responsbility, and I sure as hell don't care what society expects of me. God forbid if I actually did end up with a chick I was serious about being with, I'd ideally wait until my 30s to have kids.

I think about sixty to seventy percent of the time, it 'just happens' between couples, laziness about using birth control.

I thank my lucky stars every day that I don't have any. Knocking someone up would be one of the few things in life that would drive me to suicide

>>38165672

you guys are the reason why western world will collapse. Even if life is suffering. that does not mean you cant make it worse. having ideas like life shouldn't exist at all . are bad ideas that will fuck up your brain until you shot up a school. THen you made suffering into hell. good job.

also people on this board should watch Jordan Peterson lectures.

>>38165672

You can apply logic to most things and not do anything, or you can stop being autistic and one dimensional and stop thinking logic should be a primary factor in decision making.

People have children because they like them, they see value in raising life, and they don't resent what you see as sacrifice at all.

The majority of life is spent doing whatever you make of it. Most people who breed are smart enough to enjoy the work they do and dumb enough not to be disappointed in life like an edgelord.

>>38165697
>for men, because after you're done being a child, you never get to interact with one ever again.
Nieces and nephews?

not everybodys life is as shit as yours, faggot

>>38165672
>why would anyone think
See, thats the the thing anon, having kids isn't something you think about, it's an instinct. Normies have kids because they do whatever feels good without considering the consequence. They followed their biological urge to bear children because that is what felt right to them, not because it is logical.

>>38166336

you post on this board because you your instant urge to do so.

>>38166169
no, i don't have family and only child. and no friends lol. yes, people like me exist.

>>38165739
for men, social imperative? how do we argue the difference? i don't care either way.
or are you saying wanting to interact with people is biological imperative?
i must be biologically impaired.

>>38166069
Dude, I know for a fact that I'd resent the hell out of my kids for ruining my life. I wouldn't want to put them or me through that.

>>38166415
Its is a biological imperative at least to a small degree. Think of all the trouble and hassle children cause and the way some parents still manage to see it as a positive experience. I'm a bitter piece of shit but imagining my own child that I can raise and teach about life gives me a weird satisfying feel. Like I would have a purpose and not feel so empty.

>Life is really hard and painful
Normalfags do not really believe this. They believe that overall life is a positive experience, and thus life should be continued and spread wherever possible. Life is a "gift" to normies.

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>oneitis is pretty much my only friend I have left
>she is already speaking about having a family with her boyfriend
>she is very judgmental about people that don't want children
>tfw 25 virgin and recently lost all of my sexual urges, I can't even remember when was the last time I fapped or popped a boner (minus morning tent), not to mention my younger brother tuned into such a little faggot I'd rather amputate my dick than risk breeding another one of him into existence.
My life feels like a bad route in a VN that drags on an on.

>>38166537

Yeah in some ways you can't blame them. If you have nothing but positive experiences you're not gonna think twice about passing those downs. That's why on some level I'm thankful for being a robot because it made me empathetic for the losers of the world, enough that I would never force someone to deal with life's struggles. I'd rather adopt like a cuck.

>>38166553
Also remember that having kids is almost a no brainer choice to women since it's an instant 'get out of work for at least ten years' card. Whereas for men, it's a big 'You're fucked' card

>>38166568
>I'd rather adopt like a cuck.
I don't think it's being a cuck if you don't know either of the parents. I think it's the only acceptable way to raise a kid for someone defective (like robots).
I mean, I hate my genes, I hate my parents that fucked me into existence knowing I'll share some of their genetic defects like weak eyesight or being a manlet. If I had to raise a kid, I would like it to have absolutely no ties to me, if it did love and respect me, and remember me after my death, it's only because our bonds were created, not given.
I never loved myself, knowing the child has nothing in common with me would be actually easier for me.

>>38166568
It's also very likely that any child they have will also be a happy normalfag.

>>38166553
>tuned into such a little faggot
like an actual faggot or an ultra sperg?

>>38165672
Gotta try to build a better future for humanity. You don't just give up and say "life is too hard and painful". We're supposed to make things better, and then our kids are supposed to make things even better, and their kids better yet.

It doesn't always work out but standards of living are definitely a lot better now than they were 1,000 years ago. We live longer, we live healthier, we have abundant food, we have security, etc.
War still looms. Things might be thrown back. But that's happened time and time before but here we are, still with a better standard.

Plus we need to dominate the galaxy and enslave all alien life, some day.

>>38166688
The proofs in the getting

>>38166688
Making more people doesn't make things better, though. It makes things worse and harder for everyone.

We have enough people to keep the wheels turning and innovation happening, in fact with unemployment as bad as it is, it can be argued that we have too many already.

>>38166688
>>38166688
even that isn't good justification. I once used to believe that before I really thought about it.

Technological progress is a myth and the value judgment of technological progress being superior to agrarian harmony is a strictly post-industrial mentality that exists solely to justify the exploitation of such societies and theft of the natural resources these societies depend upon. However, industrial society has not used advancing technology to produce more leisure time, but rather to create an endless loop of production and consumption, the strain of which leads to the inhabitants of these so-called advanced societies living with a much higher stress rate than those who devote themselves to sustainable farming village lifestyles. Also these advanced civilizations are completely unsustainable and will eventually falter and starve when the excess of the planet runs out, cf malthus

We're all fucked either way

>>38165672
In moments of intense happiness with another loving person you think you'd like to start a family so those kids can experience the same happiness and carry on their values.
I think most people get over existentialism and nihilism by 20.

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>>38166660
He has some faggy traits, but maybe children are like that, I dunno.
The bigger problem is he's like a total opposite of me when I was a child. He's loud, he basically yells more often than not, he's dumb, yet arrogant. There's no respect or anything sacred in his dictionary, he doesn't respect elders, his parents, his brothers, items that don't belong to him, if he sees you're depressed and tired, he'll bully you until you snap, and then he relies on his overprotective mother.
He's a sperg, raised by spergs, but he mastered being an asshole on top of it. And being born when my selfish mother was in her 40's, he's disabled a bit (enough to get bux, but it's nothing major, really). Of course that doesn't stop him from laughing at blind people, children with down's etc. He has absolutely on empathy, I can already see how two-faced and manipulative he will be later in life. If we weren't noguns, I'd expect him to be a school shooter in the future.
I now understand why marriages divorce over children, why do some people murder-suicide their family before themselves, I understand all of those movies where someone who tried to be a good man is being pushed into villany. I've been mocked by him, my family and my life so many times, I honestly feel I would be better off if I died years ago. In a sense it's too late for suicide even, because if there's hell, my soul is much too rotten to go elsewhere if this keeps up.
Serves me right for not moving out for college, but I don't think my mother would allow me to.

>>38166688
This is possibly the most normies answer I've seen so far. The world will not get better. The world is a chaotic fucking mess and always has been. And even if you could make the world better, it wouldn't be by pumping out more kids.

>>38166800
Sounds like a /b/tard. My condolences that you have to live with one

>>38166688
>Gotta try to build a better future for humanity.
Fuck humanity, at least try to build a good future for yourself before pumping out children. I honestly believe there should be some trust fund requirements before being allowed to produce offspring. Far too much power is given to broken parents raising another generation of broken people in a dead-end life.

>>38166737
You're definitely right that we don't need MORE people. But we do need to continue to reproduce. OP argues against it entirely. We could regulate things and keep a stable population. People would still have kids, just not to excess.
I think that would be best.

>>38166765
An agrarian society stagnates. Why would you keep living when life will always be the same?
Tech progress is good. It's just a shame our culture isn't fit for it.

>>38166809
It's better than it was, in many ways. I wasn't talking about pumping out kids in the excessive way that some people do. I was simply saying we need to continue to reproduce so humanity can fucking exist, and continue to improve our quality of life.

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>I don't have kids because life is so hard and painful

Take this faux-intellectual nihilist bullshit out of here. Everyone is sick to death of it. Millenials are always saying this broody, obnoxious bullshit thinking they are so deep, but really it's just an excuse not to take responsibility and spend their youth fucking around. Millenials in the western world have the lowest birthrates in the history of the planet because of the dumb mindset people have. Africans are pumping out ten kids at a time, and you know why that is? Because there is no idiotic youth culture of pessimism and psuedo-intellectualism and a need to be independent, constantly stroking yourselves over how progressive you are for shirking "outdated" values. Keep playing videogames, watching porn, going to the club, working on your careers and wasting time on memes like travel, you milksops. It's a good thing. And I'm glad you are living these meaningless lives that are making you miserable. The only people who are reproducing these days are the conservatives and the traditionalists while you dumbfuck liberals are getting hookers, marrying in your 40's, getting "fur babies" and letting your kind die out. Good riddence, you childless fuckers. You make me so sick, selfish idiotic failures of adults. Fuck.

>>38166688
Why on earth should I give a shit about what happens after I'm dead? I'm not throwing away my life to sow rewards I'll never reap, so fuck off with this sentimental bile.

>>38166883
Can someone say 'ad hominem'?

>>38166838
Luckily he will probably avoid this place, because he's a little lapdog to my older brother (who bullied me before he was born), and my older brother hates everything that I like. He's never watched anime in his life, but he hates it with a passion, same goes for 4chan. Whatever connection something has with me, it's grounds for calling it shit. They actually blocked imageboards on the family network, but I have mobile internet for that.
I really want to move out one day and start ghosting them, they've been terrible to me, and don't deserve my care just because of some silly "blood is thicker than water" meme. I really believe I would be a kind, happy person if my family treated me like a person, not a glorified pet.

>>38166883
Wouldn't this apply more to the people on r/childfree than denizens of r9k?

>>38166883
You don't sound like a very happy person. Sorry you fell for the family meme lad.

>>38166471

Your life being ruined would be entirely your fault, not any child you hads.

The joke is you obviously think you're going to have some sort of amazing life a kid would ruin.

>>38166883

Objectively true story

>>38166883
>travel
>clubs
>careers
I think you're lost buddy.
>Africans are pumping out ten kids at a time, and you know why that is?
Because they're stupid niggers that don't care about life.

>>38166883
How is it selfish? I don't owe anything to anyone, least of all some whinging conservacuck blustering on about responsibility and calling me selfish because I don't care about their arbitrary ideals.

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>>38166507
children aren't all trouble and hassle, they actually love you and express love, physically and verbally.

sometimes i think women have children just because they're lonely.
>i'm lonely, i know, i'll just get knocked up by some random faggot and create a mini me

>>38165983
Good. Let this wretched earth go quiet.

>>38166999

it wont go quiet. it will be overrun with niggers

>>38166919

If you want to have children, but can't, I'm sorry for you.

But if you don't want children at all, then its a sign of sever mental issues, not a sign of intelligence or being "above it all"

I bet its all the porn these nu-males and whores watch. It degrades their natural inclination for family values and turns them into hedonist idiots. You are not smarter than anyone, childless morons, you are just fucked in the head.

Unfuck yourselves

>>38167005
Sounds like a problem for those stupid enough to want to keep playing a worthless game.

>>38166929
I've had my ups and downs but I can definitely say that I have experienced and done more with much less stress on my mind than if I were to have had children.

>>38167011
i was gonna respond and say something about self-esteem, but i think it wouldn't penetrate your rage barrier.

>>38166915
how long until you can move out?

>>38167011
The fuck is your problem man? You're acting like a vile human being

>wanting to give life to children on this soon-to-be barren rotten dying planet

Extremely selfish desu

>>38166883
>being a cuck for the very slight potential that the damaged retard sperm you pump out will actually contribute something good and worthwhile to the world rather than be the waste of space and resources you are

Good one pally.

>>38166973

All you 20-30 somethings are all the same. You have the same mindset and the same hatred of responsibility. The only difference between the whoring, drinking clubsluts and the childless people on r9k is, the people here have managed to carve out a life that is even shallower and more averse to any sort of responsibility. Sitting on here, claiming welfare, playing videogames and masturbating to drawings of men in dresses.

>Because they're stupid niggers that don't care about life.

Oh, I'm sorry. You care, do you? YOU CARE? That's the reason why you spineless college age nu-males are shirking responsibilty and traditional lifestyles. YOU. CARE. It's all about the environment, and the economy, and birds and the flowers, is it? Well if I had known your seemingly repugnant lifestyle was, in fact, a heroic act of self-sacrifice, maybe I would have gone a bit easier on you. Thanks for being a saint. Enjoy your well earned videogame session, you king among men.

>>38167114
This. The ecosystem of this planet is tearing itself apart. Children a century from now will have nothing but a barren shithole to call home, in an artificial society that lacks any level of fulfillment or meaning, thanks to our so called "progress".

>>38167072

Oh no, m80-0. I'll tell you what is vile.
Living a shameful, childless existence like the rest of these shithead millenials.
They can't accept having a child is good, because they need to question everything, even the nature of good.

All their favourite leftist, continental existentialist philosophers tell them that "there is no objective good, man. There is no reason for existence, man. Fight against the establishment and live only for yourself, man"

And these abominable, pseudo-intellectual millenials follow these tenents as gospel, and live only for themselves.

Do whatever you want, morons. Your detestable kind will be bred out. Your idiotic philosophy will be your undoing.

>>38167164
Once again nobody owes you or society anything. Especially considering most of us have been shunned and ostracized from a young age. If we relayed anything it would be in bullets, and you don't want that. You normies can all fucking rot in your shitty world.

>>38167164
Who is the more responsible? Some normie couple who gets knocked up despite not being in a good position to have kids? Or the person who knows it would turn out badly and chooses not top breed?

>>38167164
Perhaps if I'd been raised by a family that showed me how having kids is a great decision, I'd agree with you. My parents and my entire life living with them has been a disaster and it's left me with nowhere to go in life. I'm glad you clearly had a better start.

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>>38167250
>he believes millenials are leftwinged philosophy lovers

>>38165672
My wife and son is the only thing that keeps me happy. When i am old i will Play vidya all Day and Play with my grandchildren. Thats where the fun begins.

>>38167250
What's vile is taking significant time to scream at people on the very bottom of society about your ideals which you're clearly refusing to accept have left you a shell of a man.

>>38167332
I'm glad that it's working out for you, that's rare.

My wife is my only source of stress and unhappiness.

>Your kind are going to die out and become irrelevant
That's what I want, so thank you I guess?
>You refuse to take any responsibility
Absolutely right. As far as I can tell the word only exists to guilt people into compliance.

I don't understand the strategy of trying to guilt me into caring what happens after I'm gone. Sucks for your children.

>>38167360
How old are you? Why Not Ending it?

>>38167383
I'm gen x. Ending it? No, most other things area going well and I've come to the end of the 'hard work' section of life and am looking forward to what is coming.

>>38167278

>Society just doesn't GET me

Listen to yourself. You are a cartoon. Get over yourself. The world is getting better because the traditional minded are breeding and you lot are too caught up in you idiot philosophy to contribute. Enjoy your rotting, dying world, because my world is getting better. Too bad you are too full of yourself to drop that and join us.

>>38167283

What is a "good position"? Westerners think you need to be living in a mansion and driving an italian car before you could upgrade to an actual child from your "fur babies".

>>38167290

I want you to do a little thought experiment, bucko. Imagine you had the same childhood, but imagine you lived in a world where all the tv shows and movies were pro-family. All of the songs on the radio sung about married. Imagine if there was no internet telling you to be single and promiscuous and fuck around. Imagine the media is the opposite of what it is now. I bet you would want to get married despite your tragic past (weird how all kids these days claim to have bad childhoods)

It just goes to show you are a brainwashed fool being influenced by the media to be a childless hedonist. Re educate yourself and drop that bullshit.

> fucking normies, their lives are so much better than mine, it's not fair
> why do people want to have kids, life is terrible

/r9k/ and places like wizchan are actually pretty tame in their misanthropy. I have encountered far more negativity and world-weariness on gore forums and mental illness support forums. Can't take in too much at a time from places like that or it'll legitimately ruin my day.

Probably has something to do with the fact that r9k is really just full of sensitive types who were failed by the people around them and those other places are populated by genuine psychos, or at least people trying to play the part of one

>>38167476
i don't think like this. when i see happy people with families and children i just smile and almost want to cry. it's so beautiful.

i know i can't have children, but it's a nice thing.

i want kids..mostly boys. i feel like i could be a great father like my dad was. im his biggest fuck up, but im still his favorite child.

alas im a social retard and havent had a gf in 5 yrs. its a shame cause i got some gg well played genetics

>>38167480

No, it's just that /r9k/ is far too self aware to engage in full force edgy teenage misanthropy.

It's a more sober bitterness

>>38167443
Look, my friend, it sounds like you got cucked pretty bad by family life and are angry, but you shouldn't take it out on others. You need to accept your choices and keep trying to make things better.

Whatever she did to you, you can't let it eat at you.

>>38165672
Because reproduction is part of nature.

>>38167571
Definitely not. r9k is pretty performative. When I think of a place that has really achieved detachment and mastered their misanthropy, I think of /jp/ in its heyday. High concentration of people who weren't neurotypical but who no longer even cared enough about it to bring it up; instead, it was just another fact of life to them.

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>>38165983
came here to post this.
But you sorted it out first

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>>38166883
At least somebody with the right mindset in here, I thought I was alone in valuing family-values. I'm doing my part and plan on making at the minimum three children because more Aryans aren't going to fall from the sky. Progressives and nihilists have no future. I laugh at their self-destructive maelstrom of cancer everyday.

>>38167047
I'm looking for a job in my field. Depends entirely on how lucky I'll be in my job hunt.

>>38167443
Yeah but I'm actually legitimately not joking when I say I had a bad childhood.

My parents were college dropout autists with no social lives. Mother has been depressed all her life and had me, her first child, at 27. First memory I have of her is her crying. Father never knew how to talk to me, has no aspirations whatsoever, and works a living wage job. Literally the definition of a wagie robot. Great role models, right? The two hated each other utterly but stayed together for the purpose of raising me, so that I could grow up with a whole family, I guess. It was a horrible idea of course because it just led to complete carnage later on where everyone ended up hating each other and depressed.

That would all be passable, though, so long as I got qualifications and got out of there ASAP, eh? Nope. I was taken out of school before I hit double digits. My entire education since that point was nonexistent. My social skills never properly developed and I missed out on learning literally everything of value. The only reason I know anything at all is through the internet. I was already NEET before I even started getting boners and it fucked my self-esteem beyond repair. I didn't use that time to hone a single talent - after all, I wasn't just a depressed NEET child, but a depressed NEET child autist, with no friends or family to support me and no academic drive to sustain me. Is it any wonder that I've emerged into the world as I am now - a social retard, an intellectual retard, no redeeming qualities or qualifications whatsoever...an ugly, useless piece of scum who is retarded in every way other than being clinically retarded. No way of getting a job or a life. I've had to lie to the people I've met online about the most basic things because I'm just that pathetic.

>>38167955
And you think having kids is the way forward. Lad, I don't have anywhere I can go to even talk with a woman. I'd never get a woman to talk with me if I did. I'd never in a MILLION years be able to convince that woman to settle down with me if I did that. And even if I did ALL THAT, EVEN IF, I'd have nothing of value to impart on that child whatsoever. I'd show them that, if you are a depressed NEET with a miserable life, having a child will only pass that misery onto another life, and that therefore, having a child is the worst decision you could make. That's what my dad showed me.

>>38166069
>people like their kids
are you sure about that?

>>38165672
Not everybody hates existence, life can be great if you bother to get the fuck off this board and get your shit together.

>>38165697
>for men, because after you're done being a child, you never get to interact with one ever again.

go work with women for a year or two and you'll find that this statement is not accurate