LEARN JAPANESE

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>>38154042
>being multilingual

no, no brainie

I googled "how to learn Japanese" before giving up and learning german instead

Reading manga without dictionary

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>>38154145
>not learning Japanese and forgetting the other languages you know
>not getting surgery to look like a little Japanese girl
>not immigrating to Japan and marrying a yakuza boss
who's the real brainlet here

>>38154158
>I googled "how to learn Japanese" before giving up and learning german instead
what kind of loser would learn German desu

>>38154319
mohammad

orig8i

been using Duolingo for about 3 weeks, but it;s getting kinda boring now desu. If I had an actual reason to learn it then maybe i would since I'll probably never get to visit Japan myself

Learning chinese already. Have fun with a language you will never get to use in work

>>38154410
The Chinese are literally turbojews who will cut corners and scam you at every opportunity

Business with them is a mistake

>>38154235
I legit have the body of an asian. Im just white. If I fix my eyes with surgery and wear brown contacts, id fit in so much. Maybe dye my hair dark dark brown

>>38154042
When i realized you had to learn thousands of kanji along with their two phonetic alphabets, and there are more than one dialect of japanese as well, and on top of that rare kanji that isn't even used. Without being raised in the country I doubt I'd get good.

But how far is not far at all senpai.

Gave up after not really knowing what to do after learning the Kana. Since everyone said something different, I've went the /djt/ way and tried grinding Kanji via Anki but made no progress, and the reps were getting longer so I've switched to Kanjidamage after 3 weeks, which I also gave up after about two. After that I realized I'll never stay on top and learn even one thing by myself, and finally gave up on trying to be productive.

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>>38154410
You'll certainly be able to use it in work. "Enjoy."

>>38154235
I am, retard

>>38154410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrakMT1h2g&index=1&list=PLOcym2c7xnBwRNLWXOAtlN-9dbLkctxV-

https://animelon.com/

>>38154755
meant for >>38154382

origifuckhole

>>38154410
>Learning chinese already. Have fun with a language you will never get to use in work

anon I really hope you realize that learning a language purely for business reasons is the stupidest shit you could type

Can I ask how old you are anon? And how much business do you do with the Chinese right now? Oh, not that much, but you think you will in the future? Why do you think that, has anything in your entire fucking life even pointed to that being a probability? What percent of the US workforce needs to know Chinese? And you think you will need to know it?

EVEN if you do business with Chinese it's likely that you wouldn't need to know Chinese. My uncle works for a healthcare outsourcing company and frequently goes to china for business meetings - he doesn't speak Chinese.

The ONLY good reason for learning a language is if you consume a lot of content or media in that language, or if you are 100% GUARANTEED to be working with people whose language you cannot speak yet. But learning a language on the future possibility you MIGHT need to interact with Chinese people who can't speak English when you don't even consume any Chinese media is beyond retarded

studied for 3 years
going to tokyo in september

>>38154968
How do I not lose interest after 3 days
Skansen

>>38154968
>studied for 3 years
>going to tokyo in september
Did you study in school?

>>38154876
>anon I really hope you realize that learning a language purely for business reasons is the stupidest shit you could type
not really. they be pretty thrilled if you are TEFL and you are learning.

>>38155417
Ok I mean if you wanna be a translator sure

But if you work in a STEM field knowing a language is not a benefit

>>38154723
nobody is going to read all of that shit

>learn about 100 kanji on some app
>rest of them are premium only
>give up
Yeah, that's how it went

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>>38154723
HOLY SHIT, that pic. I had no idea how shitty "made in china" meant.

>>38155445
you dont even have to be a translator. you could be a tutor or just a foreign meme guy who everybody thinks is cool. the more obscure a language the more people are pleased when you tried to learn it. you could get hired for promo events and other bullshit.

Learn japanese? Ha seriously, no. Hard to learn and almost useless. You'll get much more mileage out of Spanish

>>38155551
If you want to be a fucking loser then go ahead, learn a language and try to make a living off of it

Intelligent people learn Japanese purely because they can, PURELY to masturbate to hentai, while getting a PhD in math and making 300k as a computer scientist

But if you just want to be an English teacher, translator, or some parlor trick faggot, go ahead and learn CHINESE I guess

>>38155358
being able to watch chinese cartoons without subs is all the motivation you need

>>38154042
just finished reading another manga anon. feels good man

u faggots "give up" because you make it into a chore. my recommendation is grind just enough (writing systems, basic kanji, basic grammar) to get started reading simple stories and get away from the textbooks.

after that, the more you read, the faster you will get, which means you will be able to read even more, which means you will be able to enjoy the learning process

get kanjitomo to help read manga or rikaisama to help read web sites
ez game

>>38155445
>>38155551
Im the original guy. I actually want to be a translator. East euro. Already know my slavic language, english, finishing german and want to pick up an asian langguage at university. I literally dont need to care what mainland chinks are doing

>>38155658
Can you give any advice on how to start learning Japanese, how did you get through that beginning part?

>had to learn chinese cause its used sometimes in conjunction with mother language to differentiate shit that would be spelled and sounded the same
>figure i'll do up the trifecta of asian languages
>japanese is as fucked as english is in a lot of cases despite the structure
>can maybe order food or come across as retarded in nip land
>ended up using the textbooks for various shit like kindling or origami

>>38155474
>he fell for the learning kanji meme

>>38155940
why the fuck do people say learning kanji isn't a good way to learn Japanese

80% of the fucking language is kanji

>>38154681
Should've went the genki route. After learning kana, it would make sense to learn words/phrases and grammer in kana rather than kanji, right? That's exactly what genki does.

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>>38155799
>ever burning or destroying books
oh wow, you're a giant faggot.

I've sort of given up on myself in a lot of ways.

>>38156040
I got limited shelf space for other more interesting shit and they were made of that fiber paper that makes real crisp creases and catches fire easily. You guys got rednecks that use high-gloss magazines for toilet paper you can't bitch.

>>38155970
because if youre going to read youll start out with something easy anyway, and most magazines and manga have furigana so youre better off knowing the word instead of the kanji, youll pick up the kanji as you go. grammar is also far more important than kanji.

>>38154042
Two quarters. It's not the writing or grammar that's hard, it's the speaking. They talk so goddamn fast and everything sounds the same.

Kumu Suu-san best girl.

>>38155759
use software like Anki that helps you manage the reviewing process to learn the most common words (core 2000)

do not try to "learn the kanji" before you start learning japanese or you will never even start. just learn vocab, and learn the kanji as you go along

the goal again is to get to the stage of practicing reading compelling content as quickly as possible

>>38154681
The easiest way to learn Kanji is to focus on the meaning and apply the readings as necessary.

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>>38154042
Once I heard about radioactive boars attacking at people in Japan I switched to French.

And Japan is way too close to North Korea.

I had taught myself about half of the written and verbal hiragana alphabet.

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>>38156217
>I had taught myself about half of the written and verbal hiragana alphabet.
You say this like it's an accomplishment and that disgusts me

>>38156217
wow so you spend around 2 days learning?

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>>38156272
S-s-s-sorry, Sam.

>>38154681
>the /djt/ way
>kanji via anki
That's not the /djt/ way. Or at least it didn't used to be. Haven't been in a while. There was always a small group of autists sharing shit advice, maybe they finally won out.

The /djt/ way is to read native material, and study kanji incidentally through the vocabulary you encounter.

>kanjidamage
It's some of the worst meme shit ever. Try KKLC if you must do intensive kanji study, and follow what it says to do in the foreword.

>>38156419
/djt/ is full of turboautists that get really rude really quickly

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>>38156272
>>38156378
I'm sure you're both the most accomplished robots around.

>>38156454
>I'm sure you're both the most accomplished robots around.
more than he is lmao
nobody thinks that *kinda* learning hiragana is an accomplishment

>>38156454
since you gave up after learning 1% of the beginner material i don think it matters if we discourage you

>>38156378
>2 days
What kind of superhumans congregate here
It took me 2 weeks to learn Hiragana

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>>38156515
you couldnt memorize this in 2 days if you really wanted to? with anki its really easy.

>>38156590
Absolutely not, there's only so much new stuff I can do in a day before my brain turns into jelly. If I remember right, I only got down the first ten or so on the first day.

>>38156450
That's part of why I stopped lurking it. It got set upon by three or four autists who were determined to shit up the thread 24/7 and just became unusable.

>>38156652
all you have to do is press next in anki for a few hours. i know it takes some motivation but there is no way to not memorize it after enough repetition. just think about how much new you learn when you play a new game, its actually a lot.

>>38156652
>Absolutely not, there's only so much new stuff I can do in a day before my brain turns into jelly. If I remember right, I only got down the first ten or so on the first day.
dude you might be literally retarded

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>>38156799
No, I think you're the retarded one here.

Learning a new language is easy.

Japonics is a category 5 language for an English speaker, it's completely foreign.

Add being self taught on top of that.

>>38156746
I don't use Anki or any flashcard-based learning technique, since it never sticks. It'll never go from short-term to long-term memory for me, same problem when doing auditive tasks, I grew accustomed to ignore sound when growing up. Everything I learn I write down in some way, so I have handy notes to look over everytime I forget something.

>>38156799
I know, but there's not much I can do besides do the best with what I am able to do, I think?

>>38156861
>isn't easy
>fml

>>38156673
i posted a streaming website that displays english and japanese subtitles at the same time, lets you slow down the playback speed and offers easy to use translation functions and transcripts. i found it very useful so i thought id share it.

and the answer was basically if you download 50 shows, then download 50 packs of subtitles, then rename all the subtitles to make it work right (assuming the subs work at all), then install a video player and configurate it to display japanese text (no way to make it display multiple subs at the same time though), then install a text hooker and hook it to the video player and then hook the text hooker to a translator, THEN you get almost the same functionality as that website with no registration or setup. and of course these people could do all that in less than an hour.

>>38154876
Japanese is not even relevant, Chinese is.

It's not the 80's anymore

>>38157016
>Japanese is not even relevant, Chinese is.
how much chinese media do you consume?

>>38157016
>tfw only Cantonese
Fuck my life senpaitachi

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>>38154335
As a german I know that this is not true.

>>38157011
what site was it?

>then rename all the subtitles
that's not even all. typically the japanese subs from kitsunekko had spaces for commercials, so the subs would be badly mistimed. you had to use a program like Aegisub to shift the subtitle time in 3 places on the video. super autism

>>38157383
isn't cantonese basically chinese?

6000 words. I haven't given up yet, but I wonder how many more years until I can read a chuunige without a dictionary.

Basic. I'm planning on getting to at least conversational level though. My Spanish and Mandarin aren't much better.

>>38157848
You've gotten through 6000 kanji and you can't get through a VN without a dictionary? Damn I thought they would be fairly entry level

How long have you been studying? How do you study, I'm guessing anki core 2k/6k?

>>38157941
I can, but only moege/slice of life shit. And even then, there would probably be 50-100 words I'd have to look up. I've been studying for a bit over a year, and you are right about your guess.

>>38154042
I learned about 1200 kanji and had a good grasp at the language about a year ago. I'm taking a long break because I'd rather learn art and comedy currently. Not necessarily a weeb anymore, but I'll eventually make the pilgrimage to anime land

>>38154626
>two phonetic alphabets
can be learnt in two days

>thousands of kanji
learn them as they appear, it's just a matter of time and grinding, no thinking required

>kanjis that are never used
if they're never used then what's the problem

>dialects
most of everything is written and spoken in Tokyo dialect and nobody is going to try to speak kansaiben to a gaijin

>>38157016
Most of the people om the planet who speak Chinese are poor irrelevant peasants and everything worthwhile from China gets translated.
So basically it's only useful if you plan on being a translator.

>>38157818

Robot learning Mandarin here.

Cantonese is another dialect of Chinese but only spoken in Hong Kong and some surrounding areas (Guangdong). Its not very common to find Cantonese speakers. Furthermore, most Cantonese speakers now days will know Mandarin so Cantonese is pretty pointless to learn.

>>38158482
>So basically it's only useful if you plan on being a translator.
even then, there are PLENTY of chinese americans or whatever who are already fluent in Chinese and English. There is a large supply and minimal demand.

If you want to get a White Monkey job in China it's not hard. Knowing Chinese will not make you a better candidate and even if you were a better candidate who gives a shit, you can get hired with 0 skills other than english

>>38157941
>You've gotten through 6000 kanji
He said 6000 WORDS

you haven't read one word in this thread

>>38154042
A few days. I realized it would take me at least 2+ years of drilling every goddamn day just to become like middle school level, probably longer because I'm fucking stupid and my only motivation for learning to begin with was to bypass Western censorship of their games and play ones that are never localized to begin with. Of course the only other language besides English that I have any sort of interest in has to be one of the hardest to learn. If I can't even get my driver's license or a job then I clearly rack the disciprine required to spend 2 years constantly studying. I'm a NEET for a reason.

>>38154042

I can speak it ok, I'm functionally illiterate though because I can read maybe 50 kanji.
It's the most useless language ever because tourists from Japan don't want to speak Japanese.
Sometimes they'll even seem upset or defeated when you switch to Japanese to help them understand you.
Most use I got out of it was communicating on PSO2, that's about it.
Haven't had a conversation in Japanese in probably 3 or 4 years.

>>38159392
>Haven't had a conversation in Japanese in probably 3 or 4 years.
find people to talk to online

how are you illiterate? are you a nativeish speaker? like did your parents talk in japanese to you as a kid?

>>38159235
>constantly studying
>drilling
if only there was a way to learn while doing neither of these.

oh wait, there is.

>>38156157
100 original per%rifuge
Woo

>>38159515
whats that?

hes completely right.Im the type of person who always wants to get shit done and complete but even i couldn't handle the grind of learning japanese

>>38160284
learning the basic writing systems and new grammar isn't a grind because there's not much to learn

once you do that, start reading manga

anything that gets you reading. i recommend "boku no midara na jou" or some other ecchi shit that'll keep you hooked

one last thing
https://youtu.be/VnKfOPs3Kjo
love the process

>>38157544
https://animelon.com/

>typically the japanese subs from kitsunekko had spaces for commercials
thats what i was saying among other things. some subs are also offline or missing so that adds another layer of searching around. and all i got back was insults about how im probably a 12 yr old that is so stupid he needs to stream.

there was also a guy that said the streaming site was shit because he has already seen all the available shows. i tried to explain to him that it makes no difference since youre mostly trying to decipher the sentences and youre not watching it purely for entertainment. so its basically just like using anki or a textbook except a little more fun. but he didnt understand that argument at all.

after that i gave up on those threads

>>38161302
>there was also a guy that said the streaming site was shit because he has already seen all the available shows. i tried to explain to him that it makes no difference since youre mostly trying to decipher the sentences and youre not watching it purely for entertainment. so its basically just like using anki or a textbook except a little more fun. but he didnt understand that argument at all.
that's a p cool idea honestly

in fact it would help if you've already seen it so you understand the context

I had planned to learn several languages
>Liked a few black metal songs from russia, tried to learn it for like 3 weeks
>watched anime so obviously wanted to be able to watch it in japanese without subs that'd be neat.
>have a shitload of german heritage so wanted to learn that
FUCK SPANISH

>>38161738
it sure does help, it also helps that you can just click any word in the subtitles and it gives you an instant translation. that site is pretty helpful in general.

I took Japanese for a semester in college to satisfy my language requirement. Hiragana and Katakana were ezpz but I started slacking off on my homework and skipping class when we started learning kanji and fell behind. The final bent me over and fucked me and I ended up getting a D. I switched to German and aced every single exam

>>38159456
The thing about talking to people online is that I can't even do that in English because I have no interests.
I'm illiterate because I can only write and read about as well as a preschooler.
I was able to learn to speak it well because I had Japanese class and native Japanese friends in high school so it stuck pretty well.

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Got my N2

work part time as a translator/interpretor.

AMA i guess...

>>38162864
>Got my N2
>work part time as a translator/interpretor.
>AMA i guess...

Who are your main clientle? Businesses or individuals looking for translations?
How did you learn Japanese and what tips do you have for learning

Is it true that N1 is actually not that applicable to fluency?

>>38162903

>Who are your main clientle?
marketing companies mostly

>How did you learn Japanese?
the army intel corp and a few years of university.

>tips
I actually learnt a few languages. I settled in Japan and in spite of it being the least used langauge in my career its probably my strongest. Nothing you learn in a classroom will ever be as valuable as talking to native speakers. That being said, classroom study should not be neglected.

As for N1, im 90% sure its not possible for foreigners to get an nips reserve it for their own people so they can always feel that slight bit superior to their gaijin coworkers

>>38154042
never even bothered to start. I don't give a fuck about learning japanese because its never going to serve me any purpose and most people around the world speak english anyway.

>>38163255
>see thread that doesn't apply to you in the slightest
>post in it anyways

that's like going to /po/ and saying you just aren't that interested in origami. Why? Why even post? Why do you think anyone cares about your lack of interest?

Decent speaking vocab, solid kana knowledge. Fuck kanji, fuck this "drawings are words now" shit.

I know enough to walk away from an anime episode and put my tendies in the oven without having no idea what is going on.

>>38163613
some people just have too much time.

>>38163789
This is a thread about people who tried to learn an entire language to watch cartoons aimed at teenagers in a slightly better way, that's the kind of people that browse this board.

>>38163813
dont forget about reading the newest chapter of the hottest ecchi mangas every week

>>38161302
Just tried it out, it's a fucking great site
The way the video pauses automatically and you can mouse over the subtitle to look up the word is genius

>>38154042
Passed GCSE and IB Japanese fairly well. Had a nice trip out there. I've since forgotten a huge amount since I wasn't actively studying it any more, despite wanting to eventually go back

I learned a bunch of kanji which has different meanings based on how it's written and where it's placed before I finally decided that I should stick to my americksoklsap language and pretend I was never interested in East asia or the complicated language system I won't need as a means of communication

No seriously...I became too interested in something with almost no use

>>38162864
Is everyone secretly pretending to have bad english?

>>38163098
>As for N1, im 90% sure its not possible for foreigners to get an nips reserve it for their own people so they can always feel that slight bit superior to their gaijin coworkers
nice LARPing.
why would a japanese ever take JLPT. that would be like an american taking the TOEFL.

as for how foreigners can't get it:
i know a guy who read LN/VN for a few years, got curious about how he'd do on JLPT, bought an N1 study guide, challenged the test 3 months later and destroyed it with a nearly perfect score 177/180

most of the kids whining about how hard N1 is just don't fucking read anything and then are surprised when they get btfo by a test on the japanese written language.

>>38162864
How do you say Chocolate in Japanese?

>>38162864
How do I forget about nips and their homeworld who despite being great people are just a small part of this big world

I want to ignore East asia and appreciate the cooler things in life, I'm saying this on a east asian inspired imageboard

There is so much out there to appreciate

I learned korean which in my opinion was cooler...

>>38157818
It's only spoken in Hong Kong, which has a large English-speaking population; and Southern China, which also speak Mandarin. It's also much harder and has twice the number of tones.

>>38164297
im glad you like it, it really got all you could want if you want to learn the language with anime as a learning resource.

now we only need something similar for manga.

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>>38164464
why do you hate america? get the hell out of my country

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>>38164442
>There is so much out there to appreciate
lies, there nothing out there, dont encourage neets to go outside, its really dangerous outside!

When I realized Kanji is a ridiculously inefficient system and a relic from the past

>>38164537
This, especially onyomi and kunyomi which has no reason at all to exist.

>>38164415
im not sure what LARPing is but you sure are one snarky faggot.

The only people i know with the N1 are Hawaiian born Japs who were brought up speaking mostly english and learnt jap later in life.

I read government level documents for my last job and Kanji was never a major issue. Legal phrasing is tricky in any language though.

The actual problem with the N1 is the phrasing. Japs kinda have the same issue with the Eiken pre1 and 1 tests. The concepts brought up in the Eiken test are not ones Japanese culture preps them for. they're asked for their opinion on X and can't go beyond "i think its bad" even if they have the language skill to do so. there is a heavy emphasis on accuracy rather than nuances and expression. well n1 has the reverse problem...

although i was partly joking about the nips wanting to feel superior there is a small element of that too...

>>38164537
>When I realized Kanji is a ridiculously inefficient system and a relic from the past
japs seem to do ok with it

>>38164315
>Passed GCSE and IB Japanese fairly well. Had a nice trip out there. I've since forgotten a huge amount since I wasn't actively studying it any more, despite wanting to eventually go back
Are you in college now, or did you graduate already?

>>38154042
29 weeks desu

>>38164417
Chokureto

>>38166141
>29 weeks desu
That's an oddly specific number
What happened the 30th week?

learned the kanas and pretty much nothing else that falls outside of shitposting

>>38163613
because its a thread about languages and I like contributing to those. I speak english,romanian,korean, and spanish. If you want to learn a language for the sake of communicating with people your best bets are spanish or chinese although I hate the way chinese sounds sonically.

>>38166401
Wow you can talk to all the scummiest people on earth good job
If the ussr was still around you'd probably know russian too huh?

>>38154042
0% because I'm not a dumb weab.

>>38166418
russians are still pretty scummy but I don't have any interest in learning their language. Everybody on this planet is scum including myself, not too sure why you wouldn't want to communicate with others.

>>38166401
It's a thread about Japanese not languages

That's why it's called learn Japanese not learn languages

>>38166457
I don't want to communicate with others
I want to masturbate to hentai

>>38166468
you can masturbate to hentai without reading the shitty "plot" outlines those neets make.

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Almost 2 years now. I finished kanji like 5 months ago and been reviewing it since. I dropped core 10k vocab after a month and focused on kanji instead. Know most popular ON and KUN readings. My vocab is shit tho. Same goes for grammar. I feel like biggest autist. If manga or game doesnt use kanji i cant read it at all. Seeing romaji subs for a song in anime trigger me to hell. Just leave fucking kanji or i dont know what the song is about.
1 good way for learning vocab i found for me is sentence mining. Just play some game translate words you dont know and put them in separate anki deck. It feels like collecting rare pepes. They feel more personal. You feel like god recreating broken into pieces world by collecting the puzzles.
Also i put some anime girl as wallpaper and imagine she is speaking to me. My tulpa speaks japanise too so i dont need these shitty soc websites.

>>38166282
The school year finished.

Gaki No Tsukai

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Dutchfag here (Netherlands), I just started learning languages as a hobby. Currently I don't know shit but I started with Russian, French and Japanese.

The most progress I had with Russian though it is not the easiest language to learn, I was the most motivated to learn it because I like the sound of it and culture behind it.

French I kind neglected halfway through because I lost interest in it for some reason. Maybe because it's not unique enough. I even forgot everything I learned the past few months because I neglected my progress. So now I'm at level 1 here.

As for Japanese it seems really hard as fuck, currently I'm only learning how to write and draw all the Hiragana, and currenly I've memorised about 50% of them.

Thanks for reading my blogpost faggots, as you can see I was eager to find a language thread. Also duolingo is a very nice tool to use, though you shouldn't rely on it alone (duh sounds obvious, but many people make that mistake)

iPadfag here what's the best way to go about learning kanji?

I want to learn but I would have no one to talk to and learning just for watching animes seems autismo.

>tfw you will never move to japan on a work visa as a lowly gaijin and learn Japanese with a qt while teaching her English and get a marriage citizenship

>>38158074
I don't understand how to look up kanji you don't know?

>>38155551
>just a foreign meme guy who everybody thinks is cool
>tfw that's me since my only skill is knowing 6 foreign languages

>>38156110
Where do you find 'something easy'. Most of the stuff I picked up didn't have much furigana at all