Is this what normals really believe?

she's not wrong, the only value women have is looks so of course they are held to that standard, while a guy needs to have a job, be charming etc, a guy isn't judged entirely on looks while a woman is

>>38118954
this but also men have a way lower standard for women

an equivalent 5 woman that guys think would be like some 3 guy for girls

Femanon here. It's true. Women put a lot more time and effort into their appearance than men do, sometimes in ways you won't realize. Women who wear makeup every day, all else being equal, are more likely to be more successful.

>>38119107
>Women who wear makeup every day
aka ugly whores

>>38119115
Thanks for proving the OP post right.

>>38119134
Holy fuck I've never seen a comment so retarded

>>38119115
>>38119134
>getting rekt by a womeme
wew

I hate the word coleslaw so much why do americans have to make up dumb words all the time

>>38119107

Nobody asks you to put on make up.

>>38119107
It takes me 3 hours to:

floss/scrape tongue/brush teeth
iron clothes for the day
take a shower/wash face
let hair air dry
Get dressed

Every god damn fucking morning all while dead fucking tired and still no gf

guy btw

>>38119165
>being samefagging whore
>>38119174
coleslaw is good though

>>38119176
No, but everyone treats you like you are an ugly hag if you don't wear makeup because it's the standard now.

>>38119194

...but is anyone pointing a gun at you to wear make up? No. It's your own fault so stop complaining.

Yes because women value money over looks you stupid skank. How can an adult never have observed this in their life?

>>38119194
probably because you are an ugly hag no matter what. stop trying to polish a turd

>>38118924
no, because people aren't retarded? who looks the same every day? depends on water, hydration, diet, sleep, etc.

obviously you're getting info from a twitter degenerate, lmao.

>>38119194
If women had consciences, I'd wonder how they can trick a man into falling for a fake face, bait-and-switching them like that

>>38119253
>If women had consciences, I'd wonder how they can trick a man into falling for a fake face,

But fake is the standard. Post a hot woman who isn't wearing makeup. It's the standard.

>>38119277

If jumping off the cliff was a standard, would you do it too?

>>38119206
>>38119215
>>38119253

Here's the thing. Society treats women a certain way when they don't wear makeup. My guess is that women that you think are going without makeup are really just wearing natural looking makeup and you think that's how they actually look. Your perception is warped.

I'm also surprised that you can be this ignorant about the way a woman is judged in real life. For example; a woman who goes to a job interview without any makeup will be viewed as a slob. A woman who comes in with natural makeup will be judged to be professional. It's something that is necessary to survive in the modern world.

>>38119287
False equivalency. Jumping off a cliff gives me no benefit, but wearing makeup increases my chances of obtaining a bf. Because makeup is the standard, if I don't wear it, I will be much less likely to find anyone.

>>38119287
if jumping off cliffs was the standard to get mates everyone would do it
see african tribes that practice bamboo jumping as initiation for the males

>>38119277
I'd say it's just fear of going against expectations.
Besides, a lot of women look more attractive to me, at least without makeup.

But of course you're right, every """"hot""""" woman wears makeup.

>>38119294
>something that is necessary to survive in the modern world.
keep telling yourself that. you know you can just wash your face and not have food crumbs all over your mouth.

>>38119294

>Wahhh if I don't wear makeup people won't like me wahhh

>>38119253
then stop giving out your penis length when it's erect and not how it is 99% of the time

>>38119294

Stop wearing make up then. Its literally not that hard.

>>38119346
why the fuck would anyone care about how big you are not hard?

>>38119346
But it only matters when it's erect
Are you going to suck/fuck a flaccid penis??

>>38118924
I don't even know why we're talking about make up.
My mom has never worn make up and she is naturally so incredibly beautiful. She's beyond all expectation and defies the human race.

The only thing true about that tweet is 1) kardashians are degenerate and 2) men are ugly, but that's why you avoid the weird autists who smell.

>>38119185
it takes me 15 min a day to
>brush teeth
>take bath (wash hair and whatnot)
>put on clothes
and people tell me i look like a hobo
i still attract girls though :0

>>38119307

if umping off cliffs got you friends and a bf I bet you would do it

>>38119361
>>38119365
No but someone has to live with it

Same shit as makeup. Especially with length of time erect vs. length of time makeup is worn for. Neither of them are true.

so stop deceiving you insecure cucks

>>38119354
>explains why makeup is beneficial
>"just stop wearing makeup"

???

>>38119361
>>38119365
you both are fucking embarrassing and tiny. get real.

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>>38119315

holy kek

>mfw this is actually a thing

>>38119373
Well then you need to get off this board

>>38119334
I don't wear makeup. I am ignored by people and they tolerate me at best. This is random strangers like cashiers etc. The other day my friend put tons of makeup on me when she visited from out of town. People actually looked me in the eye and showed respect. I don't agree with it anymore than you do, but I can acknowledge that it's a real thing. Women are expected to look a certain way and if they deviate from the norm they receive poor treatment. I'm not sure why you think it's so important to pretend it's not true.

>>38119375
>"You wear makeup? You're basically jumping off a cliff, sheep!"

I wish you knew how little sense you make

>>38119378
jesus woman are fucking stupid

When you get older, you won't get your dick up.

Who's going to have to deal with the 3" peenlet then?

Boys are fucking liars. Stop giving out your measurement when erect.

It's so pathetic when people see the true you.

>>38119387

>Complains that its expected to wear make up
>Gets told not to wear it
>but its BENEFICIAL

>>38118924
fuck you and the person that posted it, I hope both of you die very slowly, while being torn apart by a psychopath with a chainsaw, while screaming I hope you start to cry, calling for help, and then realising it will never come, I hope he de lots of damage to your brain and keep both in an almost starved state by not feeding you 2 months prior the glorious torture, fuck you all scum, FUCK YOU ALL
Die just burn in hell after that
Then I will fuck both of your mothers and then cut then in half with a rusted knife while they scream, then fuking eat their bodies.
Will make you father watch all of this and then drown then in your blood you filthy motherfucker

>>38119407

see >>38119315

That's how dumb women will get and you're probably a dumb roastie as well.

>>38119402
no you are just fucking dumb, you don't pay attention when you have no makeup, when you have it on someone looks at you and OH MY GAWD PEOPLE NOTICE ME BECAUSE OF MY MAKEUP!! xD fucking kill yourself

>>38119419
>you shouldn't look out for yourself

>>38119107
makeup should be fucking illegal
>remember girls from school who always looked modest but I thought were cute
>look them up on facebook
>don't even recognize a single one of them
>since they're caked in makeup they look way better but not at all in the way I remember and grew fond of

>>38119378
>No but someone has to live with it
>No but
>No

Okay, so size doesn't matter soft since a penis should be of no concern to you unless it's erect.
All a woman would be interested in about a penis is fucking it.

>>38119185
>floss/scrape tongue/brush teeth
2min
>iron clothes for the day
Air my laundry in the wind, no ironing required
>take a shower/wash face
15min
>let hair air dry
I wash my hair at the end of the day
>Get dressed
3min

>makeup
15min

Maybe try being more efficient at life

>>38119447
Nice emoji fag.

>>38119454
>>38119447
>>38119436
fuck you all, you assholes I hope you die of cancer

>>38119436
>here is a practice that males do in africa
>that's how dumb women will get

You got me, I sure am a dumb roastie. It's like you're not even trying.

>>38119454

>It brings me benefits
>I don't like how its expected of me to wear makeup

Pick one

>>38119463
Moron they were all wearing makeup in high school you were just too stupid and clueless to notice.

>>38119473
I still put in the time
where's my gf

>>38119486
I would tell you to go get raped but no one would want that smelly pussy with no makeup ;^)

>>38119491
i'm not the roastie, but everyone makes selfish decisions intended to benefit only themselves

>>38119487

>Implying women aren't herd animals
>What is the #PissForEquality trend

Go be a retard somewhere else

>>38119503

Then they shouldn't complain when its expected of them to do it. Simple.

>I don't like how its expected of me to go to work
>But it brings me BENEFITS

>>38119472
The fuck? I'm saying NO I wouldn't suck the flaccid penis you're talking about.

Yeah, it is of concern to women because they have to live with it 24/7. You cum in two seconds so calculate how many hours that is that your future "girl" has to live with your flaccid dick . Go choke on viagra

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>>38119420
fuck you r9k
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>>38119542
>Then they shouldn't complain when its expected of them to do it
why not? /r9k/ is mostly just complaining about things society expects people to do and how they can't do those things

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You guys are a sad ass mess

Ugly people with flaccids talking about ugly people

Damn you guys are all meant for each other. So glad I'm not here anymore.

>>38119561
people like you are why the board is so bad now

>>38119561

>/r9k/ is mostly just complaining about things society expects people to do

I don't and most of r9k is satire anyways.

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>>38119578
I may be ugly but these ugly cunt roasties should fuck off to tumblr and lolcow.

>>38119517
>i linked to an example of male behavior
>but this twitter trend proves that women are herd animals too, roastie btfo

I hope you're good at manual labor.

>>38119618
at least that anon isn't a faggot who worries about makeup

>>38118924
Men are not supposed to look good.

>>38119633
>at least that anon isn't a faggot who worries about makeup

Then what is he doing in this thread right now

>>38119615
Tumblr sucks, why does everyone always say Tumblr? It's all SJW and gender fluid cunts. Suggest a better place than Tumblr and maybe we'll leave.

>>38119585
so you do everything society expects you to do? had a prom date, lost your virginity, went to college, graduated with a job, have a stable relation and about to have kids in the next 5 years?
then you most certainly don't belong here

>>38119601
don't be delusional, /r9k/ is full of losers, voluntary or otherwise.

>>38119672
>It's all SJW and gender fluid cunts.

Only if you follow those people. I actually enjoyed my time there. There was a lot of nice adam lanza fanart.

>>38119551
Okay, living with the thought of your partner's 4
inch softy bothers you.
End.

>>38119618

>Women wear make up because everyone does it
>Women have sodial media because everyone does it
>Women love watching shitty netflix shows because everyone does it
>Women love reading cosmopolitan because everyone does it
>Women love celebrities and their personal lives because everyone does it
>Women love Billboard 100 because everyone loves it
>Women love reading meme books like 50 shades of grey because everyone does it
>Women wear the same eyebrows because everyone does it

Like I said, go be a retard somewhere else.

>>38119650
pissing off roasties like yourself

>>38119650

>Telling a roastie to stop wearing makeup is the same as caring about makeup
>Telling a theft to stop stealing is the same as as stealing

>>38119707
>I can identify common behaviors therefore women are sheeple

>Men shave
>Men wear clothing
>Men have social media
>Men consume entertainment

wooaahh, this is the power of enlightenment

>>38119771
Is this really as far her list goes?

>>38119755
yes, telling a thief not to steal implies you care about the theft.

>>38119771

>Men shave

Some men do some men don't. Its a personal preference, not because its expected of us.

>Men wear clothing

I live in the northwest and of course Im going to wear clothes because it gets cold here. Not because its "expected" out of me

>Men shave social media

Yeah, and there are more female users than men

https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/men-vs-women-active-social-media/


>Men consume entertainment

and some don't but its not because its '"expected out of them". Its sad how you think you're actually proving a point here when your points are easily refutable.

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>>38119783

>telling a theft to not rob from your store means you care about him

>>38118924
that's because women bring ZERO to the table besides looks, sex, and companionship. Men do everything. Wimenz also look better more easily. A 9/10 girl could go for a 20 minute run once a week and be a babe whereas a male isn't 9/10 in looks unless he's been in the gym 3 years minimum.

>>38119107
>effort into their appearance
Yes I'm sure that applying makeup is harder than, say, squatting 400+lbs.

>>38118924
> Madblackthot
> Not black and probably as inoffensive as a crab
Why do whores do this ? They even like to wear the words thot, whore and hoe as badges of pride. I will seriously never understand this.

>>38119194
>No, but everyone treats you like you are an ugly hag
congrats, thats how 90% of men are treated

>>38119367
Thanks for the blog post Oedipus, pictures?

>>38119908
Makeup isn't the only thing, women spend a lot more time focusing on skincare and fashion, but the average man isn't expected to squat 400 lb whereas a woman is seen as undateable or unhireable if she doesn't put enough effort into her appearance, so it isn't comparable.

>>38119908
>squatting 400+lbs.
my legs hurt reading that and i've only done a little over 100lb squat

>>38119954
people don't get hired on looks you fucking idiot unless it's a modeling job.

>>38119954
There's no point. The men in this thread are bitter and incapable of seeing something from another person's perspective. There's a reason they are all virgins.

>>38118954
This is true. Also don't read into something that isn't there OP. Read carefully.

>women are EXPECTED to look like tens all the time while THE AVERAGE MAN LOOKS like warm coleslaw

Well if you saw a an average woman and a 10/10 in public which do you think your eyes are going to pay more attention to? She may still be a vapid bitch for making that comment but it isn't necessarily wrong.

Although women don't HAVE TO look like tens to get by in this hypergamy society. They can look average as fuck and get tons of things handed to them in life.

>>38119969
>people don't get hired on looks you fucking idiot

Actually they do, all else being equal, but you're so sucked into your echo chamber that trying to convince you otherwise would be meaningless.

>>38119969
So naive. Tell me how that job interview goes when you show up in sweat pants with uncombed hair and haven't shaved for a few days. Then come back and tell us that looks don't matter when getting a job.

>>38119980
All they have do is not be (obese)fat and not be a bitch is my standard.

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>>38119954
>but the average man isn't expected to squat 400 lb
The average man nowadays is absofuckinglutely expected to go the gym, regularly, and if you weren't such a vapid cunt you'd realize by the time you look like pic related you'll be squatting 400lbs for reps weekly.

You focus on skincare because you fuck your skin up with excessive makeup. Fashion and makeup are not comparable to the raw effort men today have to put into their appearance, begone thot.

>>38118924
>implying

I will fuck a woman in a sweaty bra and two-day old crumb-dusted sweatpants. I will fuck a woman with smeared makeup, bad makeup, too much makeup, or no makeup. I will fuck a woman with stretch marks. I will fuck a woman with scars. I will fuck a woman with teeth missing. I will fuck a woman who's 4 feet tall or one who's 7 feet tall. I'll fuck a woman who's chubby. I'll fuck a woman who's a rake. I'll fuck a woman with a retainer. I'll fuck snaggletoothed woman. I'll fuck a woman with short hair, long hair, a shaved head, a boycut, an undercut, an afro, a bob, a ponytail, pigtails, hair down to her ass, red hair, black hair, brown hair, blonde hair, blue hair, curly hair, straight hair, frizzy hair, papery hair, messy hair, dandruffy hair, wet hair, hair that smells odlly like sebum, hair on her arms, hair on her cooch, hair on her legs, whatever. I'll fuck a woman in a tee shirt, a sweatshirt, a tank top, a tube top, a crop top, a sports bra, a blouse, a polo, a sweater, any kind of jacket,a tracksuit, a bikini, a one-piece,a robe, a dress, a skirt, jeans, khakis, overalls, shorts, Tripp pants, capris, bell bottoms, yoga pants, cargo pants, pajama pants, stockings, a fanny pack, gloves, mittens, glasses, sunglasses white socks, dark socks, pink socks, green socks, patterned socks, rainbow socks, panties, a thong, boxers, pj pants, a cowboy hat, a ballcap, a beanie, a headband, a scarf, a headscarf, a top hat-whatever. I will fuck a woman who smells like coffee and cigarettes covering up her morning mouth.I will fuck a woman with bad acne. I will fuck a woman who I saw pick her nose for hours 5 days a week.

I do not think most women are this open or forgiving in their standards

>>38119954
>skincare and fashion
Neither of these things take much time or effort.

>>38120035
Most men aren't either. God damn dude.

>>38120020
And this is exactly why women have such entitlement issues and also make statements like in the OP.

They pretty much are justified because men keep allowing them to be spoiled cunts.

>>38119367
fuck off macron

>>38120022
>The average man nowadays is absofuckinglutely expected to go the gym, regularly
Not everyone lives in SoCal

>>38119990
>>38120006
they don't care about your fucking makeup. you don't have been shave daily for a job interview, you can have messy hair all you want. I got hired working nights when I didn't shave for awhile and don't comb my hair.

>>38119990
>>38120006
Are you two stupid thots actually complaining about having to put effort into your appearance for a fucking JOB INTERVIEW LOL?

Yeah you've convinced me, women definitely have it harder.

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>>38120056
Not a bitch and not fat are my baseline standards. Anything below that is pump and dump material.

>>38120051
>Neither of these things take much time or effort.

Women invest far more time in both of these things. How many products do you use on your face? For women, there are normally 10-20 alternating products used every day, not including those for the hair. Tweezing, waxing, threading, tanning, nails, plastic surgery, spandex, heels. American women put a lot more time into their appearance than American men, and if you are trying to argue otherwise, you've probably never had a female friend.

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>>38120073
>Not everyone lives in SoCal
Not everyone lives in a protected little bubble, unironically complaining about putting on makeup while people bust their ass in the gym 5 times a week.

If anything, being able to use makeup is a fucking privilege. Consider how much more effort it takes for a man to better his appearance...

>>38119954
>skincare and fashion
>subjecting your heart, lungs, bones, joints, and muscles to stress so that you take microscopic damage everywhere, multiple times a week, so that your body repairs itself stronger and actually alters your hormones, in fashion that is painful, nauseating, and often dangerous

>the amount of effort and lifestyle factors that go into having decent skin
>the amount of effort and lifestyle factors that go into being /fit/

Comparable.

>>38120109
>there are normally 10-20 alternating products used every day
lmao you don't have to do that you dumb bitch.

>>38120120
>>the amount of effort and lifestyle factors that go into having decent skin
>>the amount of effort and lifestyle factors that go into being /fit/

Women are expected to put effort into both of these too, only they don't get giant muscles that make it easily noticeable. However, claiming that men are expected to squat 400 lb is false. Most women don't even like bodybuilders. It is the opposite of a female expectation for men.

>>38119954
Most women don't understand subtlety and modesty. If they did, they would be much happier with themselves, and have higher levels of self respect.

Most men understand these things, and thus get away with just washing their hair, and wearing a collared shirt. But women are actually dumb enough to think they all need to look like chissled barbie dolls to even be of any value.

>>38120139
do you just watch whores in movies and get your info from that?

>>38120109
>Tweezing, waxing, threading, tanning, nails, plastic surgery, spandex, heels.
>look at all these shortcuts I can take to make up for my shit appearance!
>this is actually a bad thing though!
Are you... Are you fucking serious? You can't make this shit up. You're actually complaining about being handed, on a fucking plate, the tools to look good.

How do you lack self awareness on this level? How can you be so fucking stupid?

>>38120116
Women are expected to work out just as much as men.

>>38120126
>lmao you don't have to do that you dumb bitch.

It's a social standard. If a women does not do this, she is seen as less attractive and ridiculed by others as well as left out.

>>38120163
>It's a social standard.
no it's your standard
>ridiculed by others as well as left out.
good. why the fuck would you wanna be with people who only give a shit about how you look?

How can all of you hate women so much that it blinds you to the fact that they are expected to wear makeup? Is it really that hard to admit that in this one aspect women might have the short end of the stick?

>>38120116
>bust their ass in the gym 5 times a week.
Just because you bust your ass in gym, means absolutely nothing. You can be the same autistic but with muscles.

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>>38120188
they don't have to.
they don't need to look like gross bimbos like this

>>38120139
>claiming that men are expected to squat 400 lb is false.
Oh my fucking god, Stacey. You're so hung up on the number you don't even realize that isn't a fucking good squat by any measure, you will end up squatting 400 lbs if you want to look good. Not Arnold sized, just good.

You're so fucking detached from reality it's absurd to read the shit you type.

>Women are expected to put effort into both of these too, only they don't get giant muscles
Controlling your weight is a fucking joke. It's so fucking easy that again it just demonstrates how detached from reality you are. It isn't comparable to a male fitness routine.

Serious question, what the fuck is wrong with you? How do you reach this point?

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>>38120188
This should be fraud desu.

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>>38120160
>Women are expected to work out just as much as men.
HAHAHAHAHA

>>38120217
still fucking ugly

>>38120160
>Women are expected to work out just as much as men.
Well, there we go.

Pointless thread, we're literally arguing with retards.

>>38120109
Not him, but
>had pretty much nothing but female friends for years
>two sisters
>whole generation of family with all girls except me
>live-in girlfriend for five years
>rooming with girls

If you use that much crap every day, you are the exception, at least in my experience. I know some girls who are fucking VAIN, too, and 20 fucking products, ALTERNATING, still sounds ridiculous. Not even my sister consumes crap on that level, and she devotes literal hours to this stuff.

And fuck, I honestly know girls who look great and basically just use deodorant, soap, shaving cream, consitioner, and shampoo.

>>38120188
A man shaves or trims his beard, a woman does her lashes, maybe some lip gloss. Anything more, and you can tell she is over doing it.
She doesn't have to go the whole panda eyes route, nor does the have to cover her skin in milimeters of caked powder.

>>38120155
>You're actually complaining about being handed, on a fucking plate, the tools to look good.

But those tools don't make you look good. They just make you fit into an acceptable standard. I don't think any of those things look good, but if you opt out, other women will look down on you and men will call you ugly and also not want to be around you. It's a standard for women and I don't know why you're trying to deny that women are expected to invest more time into appearance. Why should I be grateful for being given the tools (for a price) to fit someone else's expectation? If the tools did not exist, the expectation would likewise not exist, so what you are saying makes very little sense.

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>>38120241
Taste is subjective.

>>38120213
Most women that wear makeup don't look like that. You guys need to get out more and stop looking at Kylie Jenner wannabes online. It's so obvious that most of you in this thread hate heavy makeup, but you all probably like minimal makeup without realizing it. It's so sad how delusional you are.

>>38120217
If she doesn't show you a pic of her without makeup before you fuck her, it should be considered rape.

>>38120197
>Just because you bust your ass in gym, means absolutely nothing. You can be the same autistic but with muscle
I agree, but it's the only way for me to improve my physical appearance, besides the obvious haircut and clothing.

That's our equivalent of a makeup routine, it isn't even comparable in difficulty. That's the point I was making, shame you were too stupid to pick up on it.

>>38120217
I'd fuck her up top.

>>38120266
>other women will look down on you and men will call you ugly
Exactly. Because you are ugly, you just cover it up with makeup.

Meanwhile, men who don't work out don't have that luxury and experience that treatment 24/7.

Again, I'm shocked at how stupid you are.

>>38120273
>Woman has acne
>Hides it
>Man has acne
>Sorts his diet out, gets some drugs, and deals with it. Or just doesn't give a shit.

Nice.

>>38120286
>That's our equivalent of a makeup routine,

It can't be an equivalent if there's already a female equivalent for it. You can't grasp the fact that there are separate expectations for women. You're literally retarded.

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>>38120275
they look like >>38120273 which is pretty fucking ugly. fucking stop covering your skin and making acne worse you dumb cunts

>>38120109
>How many products do you use on your face?
uh, usually cleanser, exfolater, toner, moisturizer, eye cream, sun protection
>Tweezing, waxing, threading, tanning, nails, plastic surgery, spandex, heels
no, no, god no, no, sometimes, good god no, sometimes, sometimes

>>38120316
>still doesn't understand that most women that you think are "natural" are wearing minimal makeup

>>38120298
>men who don't work out don't have that luxury and experience that treatment 24/7.

No, because that is the average man. No one expects anything of him, so he is accepted anyway.

>Exactly. Because you are ugly, you just cover it up with makeup.

Good job confirming what I've said. Anyone who doesn't look like they're wearing makeup without wearing makeup is now viewed as ugly because you retards are incapable of telling when a woman is wearing "natural" makeup.

>>38120335
where did I say that you dumb cunt?

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>>38120273
And people actually complain about being able to do this.

Without makeup, on a level playing field, 80% of you would become the Plain Janes that Stacy makes fun of. You would be nothing at all.

You're actually fucking complaining, still. I just don't get it. How can you complain about this?

If I could put on makeup and have Chris Evans body tomorrow, do you know how fucking psyched I'd be? I'd throw a fucking party. I'd personally write to the fucking makeup companies myself, and thank them. I'd suck their fucking dicks.

And you complain about it.

What the actual fuck.

>>38118924
yes, because "all men" are only chads for women. they don't even see beta's as men or even as humans.

>>38118954
this is false by default because I don't give a fuck how someone looks. men's standarda for women are also way lower than women's standards for men.

>>38120351
You are only referencing women who look like clowns when talking about makeup. Aren't you trying to prove the point that no makeup is better than makeup? Show pics of women you think aren't wearing makeup that look good if you think it's true. I bet you'll pick women with makeup without even realizing it.

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>>38120360
This is your average female poster. Don't be surprised in the slightest my dude.

>>38120346

>No one expects anything of him, so he is accepted anyway

wew lad

>>38120346
>Anyone who doesn't look like they're wearing makeup without wearing makeup is now viewed as ugly
Because you are ugly.

What are you not getting here? Like the average man, you weren't born good looking, so there's nothing superficial to put you on par with Stacy.

You have makeup to... make up for that. That is a fucking blessing, you're just too spoiled and stupid to realize it.

>No one expects anything of him
hehe

>>38120318
Morning
>cleanser
>exfoliator
>nose strip
>toner
>aloe vera face mask
>glowing face mask
>moisturizer
>eye cream
>pore-reducing serum
>dark-spot corrector
>acne day cream
>wrinkle cream
>lip scrub
>chapstick
>sunblock

Night
>cleanser
>toner
>moisturizer
>night mask
>night micro-peel serum
>pore-reducing serum
>wrinkle cream
>retinoid cream
>lip scrub
>chapstick

There are men who will put in this much effort, but they are the minority.

>>38120273
Kind of unrelated but the first girl has the most perfect philtrum I've ever seen

>>38120446
>Because you are ugly.
WRONG. How can you be this blind to society? Are you that autistic? Women without makeup are seen as ugly because everyone is used to seeing women in makeup. It doesn't mean someone is actually ugly.

>>38120446
What you're not getting is that the average woman is viewed as ugly because of the higher standard that makeup has created, whereas the average man is seen as average.

>You have makeup to... make up for that.

But makeup doesn't make up for it. An ugly woman who wears makeup is still recognized as ugly, and men will say that they prefer natural beauty, which an ugly (average) woman has no means to achieve.

>>38120467
>but they are the minority.
Yeah, just like the people who use this routine. No normal woman uses this much shit, and listing stuff like fucking "sunblock" (really nigger) to pad your routine just makes you look even more retarded.

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>>38120467
Christ almighty, how much fucking money does this cost?

>>38120467
are you 40? lmao

>>38120511
>and listing stuff like fucking "sunblock" (really nigger) to pad your routine j
>listing products that you put on your face just to make a comprehensive list of things that go into skincare

???

>>38120513
A lot. If you go for the cheaper stuff, you might have negative side effects like chemical burns. For example, the moisturizer I use by La Mer is good quality, but $175.

>>38120497
no one gives 2 shits what you think whore keep thinking you have to use makeup. keep buying into the jew scheme and wasting money

>>38119771
Plenty of men don't shave or use social media you idiot

>>38120527
No, I'm 20. It's never too early to start on the anti-aging train.

>>38119517
Everyone is a herd animal. Robots here are herd animals. Normies are herd animals.

If you had the chance to look better, wouldn't you?

>>38120467

>1stWorldProblems.exe

>>38120109
>How many products do you use on your face?
I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

>>38120556
I was reciprocating his generalities to point out how foolish it was. Plenty of women don't do the things he listed either.

>>38120547
I. Don't. Use. Makeup.

I have only argued that when I have used it in the past I am respected and treated like a human being. When I'm not, I'm treated like the cat lady or like I'm a teenager because I don't look like an adult without makeup. Because it's expected that adult women use it. Grow up you naive little hermit.

>>38120576
KEK this wins the thread

>>38120588
keep being a dumb bitch wasting money trying to look older

>>38120576
>tfw no american, psychotic, vain bf

>>38120497
>Women without makeup are seen as ugly because everyone is used to seeing women in makeup.
>It doesn't mean someone is actually ugly.
It seems like you didn't actually understand my post, even though it was pretty simple. Let me try again.

You are probably ugly. Most women are. If you're not in the top 10-15%, you're ugly. You have the luxury of using makeup to disguise that fact. It doesn't change the fact that you're ugly, and it doesn't make society a terrible place for calling you out on it.

Because you lack natural beauty, you need to put effort into your appearance. In this regard, you are no different than the average man who has to do the exact same thing.

Arguing which routine is harder is a different story, and that's what this thread is about isn't it? You sit on your fat ass and put on foundation and suddenly your face doesn't look like the surface of the moon, meanwhile men spend YEARS in the gym, actually working hard.

>>38120603
No wait they want to look younger! Or wait older?

>>38120603
You lack basic reading comprehension, I see. Did you miss the part where I said I don't wear makeup you fucking cuck?

>>38118954
More attractive people do better at everything in life, and this is moreso for women. While we can get men without makeup etc. the reality is we aren't taken seriously at work unless we have perfect makeup and bodies, along with well fitting clothing. It's not so much for dating as for irritating male bosses, in my experience.

>>38120498
>An ugly woman who wears makeup is still recognized as ugly,
You'd have to be exceedingly horrendous for this to apply.

>men will say that they prefer natural beauty
Probably true. Most men will settle for less, but yes the top 10% will choose what they want: natural beauty. Because themselves are naturally beautiful, or have put an incredible amount of effort into looking good. If you're too ugly to land Chad, tough shit. Doesn't make your life harder than the average mans.

>>38120579
Except parts of his list is more or less universal to young women. I don't think I've met one who doesn't wear makeup or use social media, whereas there are loads of men who have unkempt beards and no online presence at all.

>>38120620
>when I have used it in the past I am respected and treated like a human being
>I don't look like an adult without makeup.
can you not read?
>cuck
so you are a dumb teenager

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>>38120542
You put sunblock on over SPF makeup?

Jesus no wonder you're complaining, you're actually fucking subhuman LOL

>>38120588
>I have only argued that when I have used it in the past I am respected and treated like a human being. When I'm not, I'm treated like the cat lady
Right.

Because you're ugly.

This is what normal men go through on a daily basis by the way, you fucking self absorbed cunt.

>>38119194
only if youre an ugly hag, a girl without makeup is instantly more attractive than another basic bitch with pounds of it
You wear makeup for YOURSELF
You spend hours on your appearance for YOURSELF
Don't get angry at men because theyre not as selfconscience as you

>>38120660
>You put sunblock on over SPF makeup?

I don't wear makeup (bad for skin.) None of the other products listed include SPF.

>>38119194
>No, but everyone treats you like you are an ugly hag if you don't wear makeup because it's the standard now.
Beauty has always been the standard that people are measured up against. You have the tools to reach it, if for some reason you choose not to, then accept it: you're fucking ugly.

You are literally complaining about being treated the EXACT same way that men are. If you're naturally ugly, people will treat you that way.

>>38120657
>>38120681
>>38120691

Aww poor little boys can't even admit that women occasionally have unrealistic expectations placed on them. Are you really that self absorbed that you have to convince yourself that everyone has it better than you? Wearing makeup sucks. It sucks that women are treated poorly when they don't wear it. How does this effect you exactly? Why are you so triggered?

>>38120650
>I don't think I've met one who doesn't wear makeup or use social media,

That's because you don't even think about the women who don't follow the standard. There are plenty of women who do none of the things he listed.

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>>38120738
>I got btfo so I'm just gonna call them mean names now!
kek dumbfuck

>>38120738
>Aww poor little boys can't even admit that women occasionally have unrealistic expectations placed on them.
Vapid Stacy can't understand everyone has expectations put on them. Putting on makeup is not an unrealistic expectation, Christ get over it.

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>>38118924
>something is expected of women
>probably the only thing that's really expected of them: look pretty (not remotely hard for average women)
>even then if they don't, they'll be treated like a guy would at the very worst
>exaggerate it for extra complaining points

>>38120744

Yeah and they live in 3rd world shitholes.

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>>38120738
>Why are you so triggered?
Why do you post a thread and call everyone who replies with a counterpoint "triggered"?

>>38120744
Compared to the ratio of men with beards and no social media? There's practically fucking none, don't even try to pull that shit. Virtually all women wear make up, virtually all young women are on some kind of facebook or instagram shit. I do "think about" the ones who don't follow the standard, and the problem is there's pretty much none of them.

It's like everyone is incapable of trying to see things from a woman's viewpoint. This isn't going to help you when you start dating, robots. Try to listen occasionally. It might help with your loneliness.

>>38120901
Or you could get the fuck out, you fucking normie.

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>>38120901
>given women's viewpoint
>give counterpoints
>"wtf why can't you just agree with me you loser"

>>38120901
no it's that women are incapable of changing their viewpoints.
I used to talk to this chick who was crazy about this guy but he wouldn't make a move. So I just told her to make the first move instead, and she flips shit saying "That's not how it works!" "I can't just do that!" "What if he rejects me!?"

Really made me realize (most) women are like overgrown children that never mature

>>38120977
>ignoring what someone says entirely and calling them a retard
>counterpoints

Kek

>>38120977
There weren't any good counterpoints. It was arguing to arguments sake. The fact is that women are expected to wear makeup or they are treated unfairly by society. Live in denial all you want, but until you live as a female you will never know what it's like to be expected to paint your face like a whore to be accepted by people. I'm not saying it's the worst thing in the world. Just saying it sucks. Funny that every man in this thread is bending over backwards trying to disprove this very simple truth.

>>38121012
>The fact is that women are expected to wear makeup or they are treated unfairly by society
Nah you'll just be treated like a man. Welcome to equality!

>>38121012
>Live in denial all you want, but until you live as a female you will never know what it's like to be expected to paint your face like a whore to be accepted by people.
Just like you'll never know what it's like to have to lift 3 times your body-weight almost daily to achieve the same result. But I think we can at least agree one is harder than the other. Good discussion femanon.

The men in this thread really are incapable of comprehending. They'll say being a woman is life in easy-mode, but when it comes down to it, they would never want to be a woman. It isn't better.

>>38121012
>The fact is that women are expected to wear makeup
No. Women, like men, are expected to look good. Do you think anyone gives a shit if some 10/10 goddess who can pull of the natural look doesn't wear makeup? Of course not.
>or they are treated unfairly by society
Completely untrue. This is just you being treated as being what you are: ugly. That is completely fair and happens to the opposite sex.

>>38121093
What have you done/been through in your life that you consider to be so difficult?

Enlighten us.

>>38121093
>The men in this thread really are incapable of comprehending
Same can be said of the women itt. No rational man wants to be you cunts. For what? More sex? That'd be the only thing you've got over the majority.

>>38121133
Nothing you said was even close to coherent.

>>38121012
>There weren't any good counterpoints. It was arguing to arguments sake.
You didn't think their counterpoints were up to snuff, that's all. Unfortunately you can't just disregard everybody as merely being deliberately obstinate because you don't like their arguments.
Regardless some anons already made the point that women who don't wear make-up are generally treated as being as good looking as they actually are which is how men have it, what do you find particularly objectionable about that?

>>38121171
Looks like you'll have to reread it then. I'm sure you're smart enough to read right?

>>38121093
>They'll say being a woman is life in easy-mode
It is.
>they would never want to be a woman
Difficulty creates character. Having read the shit that you overgrown children genuinely believe and post in this thread, no I don't want to be one.

>hurrrr makeup is so hard life is so unfairrrrrr
Yup, life is unfair. You should kill yourself.

>>38121093
Most people wouldn't choose to live as the opposite sex, primarily because your sex is a major part of what you are - you would fundamentally be a different person if you changed sex. It doesn't really have anything to do with perceived difficulty.

>>38121229
>He believes he has "more character" because he has a penis.

Enlighten me about the difficulties you've experienced to build a character you couldn't have were you born a woman.

>>38120382
>This is wrong because I don't feel that way

>>38121263
I know, but do you not see the ridiculousness of claiming that your life is harder and then saying it is preferable? If it is preferable, difficulty becomes a meaningless qualifier.

>>38118954

She is wrong.

Women nowadays wanna man that's an 11 while they're looking like a damn 2.

Fuck that shit. They're entitled as all hell. Even the ones who have make up are like a secret 4. You wake up in the morning seeing them look like shit it's no wonder why they can only get the fake chads.

>>38119418

Your erect measurement is the only measurement that matters you absolute retard.

What, you think I'm going to have sex with a flaccid penis?

I believe you may be legitimately retarded. You should seek mental health professionals out for testing and guidance.

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>>38120738
If wearing makeup sucks then don't put that shit on then. You'll find that the majority of men don't like the amount of makeup women these days slather across their fucking faces anyway, all trying to look like a Kardashian so you're in fuckin luck. The only reason you're treated poorly when you don't wear it is because your non-makeup face is so drastically different from your actual face that people have to go "Fuck, that's what you look like?"

Christ, I hate how women put these unrealistic expectations upon THEMSELVES then blame men. Most men don't want you to look like a fucking twig and most men don't want you looking like a fucking Bratz doll.

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>>38119972

>brash generalizations the post
>somehow everyone else is bitter

Another question, why can't you vapid cunts come up with better arguments than unavailability of sex? Pic related.

>>38121307
You don't have a choice in your sex, there's no meaningful thought experiment where you can choose to be the opposite sex so it's not even a statement of preference. That doesn't mean you can't see that people unlike you have things easier than you or be annoyed when they try to claim to have it harder than you when they don't. You can easily see the perspective of men when make-up is a really easy attractiveness++ card but women still complain about it.

>>38119954
>comparing buying clothes with actually working for an attractive body
>implying men don't put effort into our appearance at all

>>38121285
How's a tour of Iraq and 2 of Afghan for character building?

And no, my country doesn't allow women in frontline roles.

>>38121307
So James Brown was born in the South in the '30s. Was it ridiculous for him to make a song called "I'm Black and I'm Proud" even though he lived in a time when being black was considerably harder in America?

Just because I would rather be a man doesn't mean being a man is easier, it means that's what I know so that's what I like. I still can see that women in the US have it was easier than men though.

>>38121307
>ridiculousness of claiming that your life is harder and then saying it is preferable?
How are you even alive when you're this stupid?

The easy way is rarely the most rewarding.

>>38120215
>400 lb squat isn't good
Fuck off /fit/, a natty squatting 4pl8 is impressive if they aren't 230 lbs like most of /fit/

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>>38119346
i refuse to believe anyone could have a thought this originally retarded

>>38120286
The equivalent of a makeup routine is a beard, retard

>>38119185
I refuse to believe it takes 3 hours to do those things that everybody does (including women who then will shave the entirety of their legs and even arms, exfoliate, do their nails, moisturise, pick an outfit which in which it's much easier for them to become "fashion victims").

is this bait?

>>38118924
>"ugh women have it so hard we have to wear make up"
>man: no you don't, in fact I don't really like the caked look
>"omg i do it for me because I WANT to"

>>38119185
Gonna assume you forgot cooking and eating, even so how the fuck does that take 3 hours

>>38118924
I'm not even gay but the average man looks better than the average woman if you exclude the makeup desu

but I love that they're mad about it either way, I wish we could make roasties mad and insecure about more stuff

>>38123968
Seriously, human males are like peacock males. We're the more beautiful gender.

western men are aggressively ugly. you try to not be ugly as fuck in a place that isnt LA or NYC and people think you're a gay

>>38124040
>
It is only the man whose intellect is clouded by his sexual instinct that could give that stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped, and short-legged race the name of the fair sex; for the entire beauty of the sex is based on this instinct. One would be more justified in calling them the unaesthetic sex than the beautiful. Neither for music, nor for poetry, nor for fine art have they any real or true sense and susceptibility, and it is mere mockery on their part, in their desire to please, if they affect any such thing.

Schopie had this shit figured out

>>38119194
I'm not attracted to girls who wear makeup, I'd much rather start a family with a girl who doesn't wear makeup

>>38123968
>I'm not even gay but the average man looks better than the average woman if you exclude the makeup desu
That's just not true, most women are passable looking without make-up. Most men are just flat out ugly.

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>>38124458
>most women are passable looking without make-up
you're probably one of those guys who think a chick isn't wearing makeup just because it looks natural lmao

>>38122535
>beards increase physical attractiveness universally to the same extent as makeup

This is what """"""""""fembots""""""""" actually believe

>>38124492
No I'm well aware of that meme. Women, with no make up, are generally better looking than men. I don't know where you got the idea that men are better looking.

>>38119954
You fuckin baiting me? If you're ugly of course you'll have to put some effort in to appear cute.

>>38120738
My gf literally only wears makeups to shit like weddings and parties and I've never heard her complain about it. Maybe you're just suffering a good dose of murican culture or whatever, but you reap what you sow.

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>>38124574
>I don't know where you got the idea that men are better looking.
From real life. Men have always been the more aesthetically pleasing sex, it's only because we're sexually attracted to women that we consider them pretty, objectively they look worse than men on average. Black people are the best example of this, black women look like chimps on average, while the men look pretty good.

>>38124492
I think woman who wear a lot of makeup all the time get uglier
>have friend in high school who always looks really cute, one of the few people who looks good in dyed hair
>happen to catch her changing her makeup one day
>her skin is of an uneven complexion and her eyelashes look as if they all fell out, her eyebrows are really thin as well

Meanwhile woman who just wear light makeup on occasion look fine without it. This meme comes from watching woman who wear a lot of makeup every single day take it off.

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>>38119277
An original real no makeup beauty.

>>38119174
>I hate the word coleslaw so much why do americans have to make up dumb words all the time
>The term "coleslaw" arose in the 18th century as an anglicisation of the Dutch term "koolsla" ("kool" in Dutch sounds like "cole") meaning "cabbage salad".[12][13]

yeah fuggin amerigans :DDDDD

>>38124762
>objectively they look worse
this is an inherently subjective thing when you get down to it

>>38118924
Other way around in america lmao

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>>38119418
You are fucking retarded. Who cares how big your dick is when you aren't fucking someone. Erect is the only thing that matters

>>38124762
>black men look pretty good
what the hell is wrong with you

>>38118954
But, but even uggos get bfs and probably orbiters.
The acceptable level for a woman is like 4/10, where 7/10 is the bare minimum for a guy.

Plus, most of what makes women attractive is manageable, ie weight, where men are also judged based around things they can't control, like height. A fit guy with a decent face can be written off by a good chunk of women because he isn't over 5'9''

>>38119402
Yes, because what you think other people are doing to you based off your own self-consciousness is definitely what they are doing to you. I sometimes think that black people are giving me vindictive looks. Is that true? Probably not, my subconscious is just antsy around them from having seen so much SJW crap online trying to convince me I'm evil and that black people hate me.

>>38119402
>treated like an average man
>poor treatment

From being around women I know all they talk about is their appearance and makeup, so it seems to me like women love putting effort into their appearance so I don't get the problem. How is it a difficult thing to do, and how is it worth complaining about when they enjoy it?

They just want to blame men any chance they get for anything.

>>38119418

>this is how women think

jesus christ women were a mistake

>>38120346
>says men can't deny women's issues because they aren't women
>denies men are mistreated because doesn't feel like men are mistreated
Seriously, if you want people to care in the slightest, you should at least be consistent.

>>38121007
Disagreeing with you is not equal to calling you a retard.

>>38121012
Hey. keep calling your personal insecurities objective facts without anything to back it up, and maybe the universe will award you the "correct" trophy I hear it gives out to snide shitposters online.

>>38121300
This is no more different than your argument
>hurr durr I beleeve peepole wont liek me if I dont ware maekip, so I m opresed

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>>38120303
This
>>38120360
And this


Roasties, I'd fucking love it if all I had to go to go from a 4/10 to a 7/10 is rub some dirt on my face, instead of literally busting my ass lifing heavy weights (and still can do nothing about my shitty facial featuers, mind you) I'd view it as a gift from god, just to at least have that much.

If only you cunts knew how bad things really were.

>>38119333
You have seen less women without make-up than you think.

>>38125486
No try finding one that is over the age of 25.
Then try over 35.
45?

Gets to be slim pickings real quick.

>>38119954

Nobody gives a shit about 400 lbs squat

>>38129303

What a man has to do to be attractive:

>born in top 60% of male facial genetics (not under his control)
>born tall-ish (not under his control)
>not lose hair (not under his control)
>spend 4-6 hours a week in gym lifting heavy shit, heavy shit that could cripple/kill him if he fucks up
>Get a job/career
>Be amusing/charming/confident/assertive

What a woman has to do to look good:

>not be fat (under her control)
>not be a bitch (under her control)

Most of the cunts can't even do those 2 simple fucking things yet strut around like they are god's gift to humanity. Seriously 21st century women you're so fucking useless and disgusting. the only reason you aren't getting hit with rocks is because men have collectively decided not to throw them at you...for now.

>>38120215
>You're so hung up on the number you don't even realize that isn't a fucking good squat by any measure

Are you fucking serious? 400 lbs squat is more rare than 3 plate bench because no one fucking squats seriously for years