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Jesus Christ lads, anyone else getting panic attacks? Who's falling for memes here?
>3 weeks in nofap
>strict diet
>exercise daily
>trying to be more social
>it's not working because years of isolation took its toll
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>losing weight
>look like a whole new person
>tfw not obese anymore
>if i workout hard enough,will i get a gf?
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>>38006227
years of isolation is distinguishable in public and people are immediately jumping to conclusions and judging you for it. you're green, wet behind the ears, out of your element. you look sickly. you see more of these people on really academic campuses, where it makes sense.
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seeing doctor to get antidepressants tomorrow. hope it helps.
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>be 27 yr old male
>trying to be friends with 16-18 yr old cosplayer girls
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>>38006227
Im impressed you could even keep it up with the social isolation. I cant maintain consistency for more than 2 days e.g. Exercise, diet. For me, it takes its toll after a day
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>tfw 27
>been posting feels since I was 23
I need to stop this.now!
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>>38006796
Hows that working out? How do girls feel about a 27 year old
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>>38006227
u are lacking in certain vitamins. eating healthy and exercising means nothing if u are vitamin deficient
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>>38006805
I've grown strong now. I was very depressed now I'm meh, but I'm grinding through this shit and getting my routines in and trying. makes me feel good
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taking adderall for adhd,
not doing shit but not helping me concentrate.
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I'm on the brink of suicide.
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>>38006227
I'm 27 and don't even try anymore. It's glaringly obvious from my permanent baggy eyes, thousand yard stare and dead monotone voice that I'm damaged goods and no woman wants a thing to do with me.

I work but it's so draining along with years of depression and isolation that I have no energy left to do anything else besides mope on my days off.

I think about suicide everyday but don't know if I can work up the courage. That's all I want now, the strength to take that leap into the void.
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>>38006819
>>38006796
Anyone here feels fucking surreal as fuck when they tell themselves "im 27 now" it just aounds so strange. Im 27 im 27 im 27. It's like wow im actually 27
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>>38006227
Nofap is a meme and only works at first until ot becomes a source of frustration. Noporn is for real though
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>>38006796

Just turned 25 a week ago. Literally no one wished me happy birthday, my parents probably would have but they're both dead.

Livin' the dream. If I die in my house I don't think anyone would find out until a couple weeks when I would really start to stink and the grass would be tall.
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>>38006836
Im thinking about going back on antidepressants again.
How did you manage to go from depressed to meh. Pls tell me you went on meds so i have some hope
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>>38006847
where'd the years go, right? normies all around you are recalling memorable experiences during those years, and here we are, drawing blanks.
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>>38006847
Why is 27 the age when people start freaking the fuck out and suddenly realize how utterly screwed they are? Why could I have done this at 20 and got my shot together when there was still time WHY WHY WHY
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>>38006847
turning 28 soon .... fuck i wish i had the balls to kill myself.
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>>38006847
feels abstract for sure. I feel strange, I'm a grown ass adult man but act like i did when I walked out those doors after that last bell in HS.

I remembered when people tried to take me under their wing and show me things,now i'm too old for that now. I'm a fucking man on his own. shit's strange.
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>>38006890
i think it's because it's the critical age where women your age are no longer attractive. you're more than ever aware that the most attractive girls are significantly younger than you. and if you're still a virgin at this point you realize you totally missed out on it and will never have a chance.
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>>38006884
I wonder if a 30 year old anon could tell us how we'll feel once we're 30. I mean its true we all had our fair chance of being 26, 25, 24, 23, 22, 21, 20. Im looking at these numbers and im thinking to myself " ive done absolutely nothing during the 365 days that i have in each of those years.
Absolutely surreal
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>>38006858
welcome to 25+ club
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>>38006845
Fuck... Same but 21
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>>38006890
I could say why didnt i try to get my shit together last year but look at me now. We're already in the 2nd half of 2017. 2017 new years was a month ago
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>>38006868
>Pls tell me you went on meds
No meds anon, I just grind through the depression, shit is tough. Like trying to pull a dead body around.But i kept at it.
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>>38006796
fuck, I'm 26 now...
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How do you meet women? Where?just go up to them and say "hi"?
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>got a job before uni ended
>work started out a bit slow, owner tried to be approachable
>works picking up, wants me in before 7AM
Just fuck me up senpai. At least the pay is good and I like my work, but 11 hours a day ain't funny.
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>>38006980
How did you have the will to grind theough depression? Something mustve changed to start the trigger. Moving out? Getting a full time job? Living alone?
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>>38007022
Meds are a jewish ploy.
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>>38007018
if you're attractive, it doesn't matter what you do, it will work

if you're ugly, it doesn't matter what you do, it won't work
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>>38006890

I know exactly this too anon. My anxiety/depression came around at that age. Still khv at 28, but managed a min wage job to get me out of a financial hole. I think all I can do now is just take what I can and maybe realize life is done for me at this point. I probably would have killed myself without my mother, who still encourages me to this day.
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>>38007019
>you need a degree these days to even have a shot at making it in life
>dont have the will in me anymore to grind through uni
How old were you when you started uni
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>>38007054
At least you have a source of encouragement anon. My parents are always moody and bitching about life but for the life of me i dont have the courage in me to move out
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>>38007059
21. Took me three years and a summer to get my AS, two years and a half (transfer credit stuff) to get the BS. There was the semester I missed the deadline to sign up after I got my AS, so overall it took me six years to get my BS.

It's weird how shit the other people are though, at pretty much everything. More than half the class of 21 y/o normies was caught cheating on their homework, and the uni did nothing. Same with a bunch of Master's kids that cheated on a midterm.
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>>38006821
Not working out very well. All the cosplayer girls I've met so far see me as an elder rather than a potential bf. Trying to get a young cosplay gf at 27 turns out to be far more difficult than I initially expected.
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>>38007099
Learning how to cheat without getting caught is part of the normie development repertoire
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>>38006227
>have IRL conversations maybe once a week or less frequently, and even then it's with a cashier or something equally non-important
>slowly forget how to speak and articulate (I don't stutter though)
>people constantly ask me to repeat what I just said
>not even my own mother can understand me lately
What can be done? Should I go to those people who teach you how to speak like in kindergarten or something?

Also doesn't help the fact that I'm slowly also forgetting my native language because I 99% of the time only visit English speaking websites.
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>>38006858
>Literally no one wished me happy birthday
Why would they? I mean you did set your birth date to private on FB, right?
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>>38006938
30 year old here. Early to mid 20s people seem like teens did to me when I was 24.

Though I don't feel any different physically. But I take very good care of myself (eating well and exercising daily).

I would say start taking care of yourself now so you don't start falling apart in your 30s.
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^click and start reading

What you all need to realize is that it's far too late. You are beyond salvaging your life at this point. Come one, where do you see yourself at 30 realistically? Its over man, its been over. Your entire life is going to suck. You will work a mediocre blue collar job, have very little attention from the opposite sex, have very little pleasure in this life time. That is reality. We're not all here by a coincidence. In order for their to be winners, there has to be losers. We are the losers.
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>>38006938
This. I just look at the FB pages of former classmates from high school or uni and they have had so much fun in the past decade while I was literally doing nothing other than watching porn. Those people are literally settling down, getting married, having kids etc, meanwhile I'm a neet at age 26 and I have never had a single job (other than a 5 week unpaid internship)
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>>38007022
Been fat my entire life, wanted to change, want a gf for once in my life. I want to look in the mirror and not feel disgusted at what i see. I took a step back and realized how unhappy I am, and how this dead weight is just a fact of life. Ever since I was 13 I struggled with extreme apathy, 27 and some change now. So there are things I can control and that's what goes into my body, and exercising. that branched off to nofap and me trying to be more outgoing.

I'm a old ass nigga now, shit I was doing before didn't give me the results I wanted so I'm trying to change. I'm not winning now,delayed gains socially but I'm trying to get better. I still fall weak to the depression's weight. I just live with it like a scar, it ain't going away so I work around it and push it away. What triggers it is when I'm around women and they're taken. Time's running out and I need some love soon.

I want to live life for once is my big motivation, I've been saying I'm going to change for years but haven't until recently. It took years of mental hype. I've came to the point where food, porn, and people don't bother me anymore. It's a strange feel, going from extremely anxious to being very calm and on point.
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I know a nice number of people here have jobs so i want to say that wearing normie clothes makes you more confident. You might even want to try to get a normie haircut.
It's not even about impressing other people anymore at 25+ but I've noticed it does help wit confidence.
I know it's stupid to makes no sense to buy clothes that are more expensive but achieves the same purpose as cheaper ones or that it only makes sense to buy functional clothing but given our life phase you may as well give it a try.
Go into a normie clothing store experiment with what you like. wear it at home for 5 minutes a day if you're not comfortable with normie clothes. Buy a pair of semi-normie clothes/shoes if you're not comfortable with normie attire
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29, basically watched the world go by as I sat around and did jack fucking shit. Now it's too late anyone I meet in my age group either has kids, wants kids and marriage when you don't even have the experience of just having a girlfriend to fun with, the things I would do for a reset button.
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>tfw 28 in September

I'm not suicidal, but i can already tell that there's a high chance that I will most likely kill myself.

I've played the game and I've lost, and I'm ready to stop playing.
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>>38007259

Got a job, nice haircut, good hairline, car, expensive clothes, apartment, perfect teeth, 6'0" height, white, fit body from years of working out, above average size penis

26 year old virgin, will be 27 in sept
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>>38007234
It's not calmness
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>>38007280
Let me guess, you're ugly?
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>>38007305

Not ugly at all, not chad tier though. I've actually done low level modeling work.
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>>38007280
But you have something that quite a number of us here dont. You can walk outside without feeling anxiety or insecure.
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>>38007328

I feel insecure around attractive people
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>>38007327
How the fuck did you end up a virgin and especially on /r9k/? You seem to have no excuses at all.
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>>38007353
Yes but you're pointing out only what you dont have. Why dont you tell us the positives. Then again you probably take them for granted. Its like a person who takes a roof over their heads for granted because theyve never experienced homelessness
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>>38007379

Attractive girls want nothing to do with me. I could have lost my virginity many times to sub par girls I've met while in school or working, declined. Now at almost 27 I am in deep shit for having zero experience. Attractive girls also intimidate me because I was ugly with long hair covering my face most of high school.
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At 26, I finally managed to cook at home without my mother kicking me out the kitchen and taking over. What's more is that I also cooked for my nephew and he liked it.
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>>38007379
1) you have to be exceptionally good looking to make up for a social deficit and even then you might not even make up for it. Looks is just one component.
2) Youre not approaching women
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>>38007434
>trying no fap lads, but all I can think of is the girl I had sex with yesterday.
>tfw wanted to go a second time, but it takes me a good hour to get hard again.
Fucking old age lads is hell.
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>>38007428
>I finally managed to cook at home without my mother kicking me out the kitchen and taking over.
You need to teach me how you finally got your mother off your case. Im pretty fucking worn down from her always taking over when i tried to experiment with cooking for myself
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>>38007434
>Looks is just one component.

women judge men literally 100% based on looks. this guy who is good looking but can't get laid is just a very rare case of someone with serious mental problems, a total aberration.
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>>38006847
27 is still young. i'm 35
and i think 35 is still young too.
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One of my coworkers is having a moving away party this weekend and I'm invited.

I don't really care about her, but she's inviting a lot of her friends. Hopefully some of them will be single and hot. Could be a good opportunity to get new gf prospects.

Wish me luck.
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>>38007477
>women judge men literally 100% based on looks.
Definitely not when a man is 25+
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>>38006965
At 21 there's still time to stop the keys from turning that forever lock you out of the opportunities in life. You can turn it around still anon. Do it for us robots that will never make it now because we're too old and tired. I believe in you. I would literally chop off an arm or a leg if meant going back to being 21, there's still so much potential left at that age compared to me at 27 now. I'm finished, but you are not.
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>>38007477

Yeah but you still need to have social skills, to be meeting women often, to be talking to them, knowing how to flirt etc.

You can't just "be good looking" and not say anything
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>>38007491
>35 is still young too
You're probably already over 50% in your life.
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panic attacks since 2012 anon
just keep breathing
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>>38007528
life isn't even linear, it's exponential. each progressing year is less meaningful than the last and things get progressively harder to learn
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>>38007505
Im 27 too and im at at point when i look back on my life i can see why i turned out the way i did. If I could've turned my life around at 21 or even 26 then I would've.
Take a read at anon >>38007234
It's a huge grind. A grind I wasn't ready for at 21 and even now im only just starting to open up to going through the grind.
Part of the reason why I didn't do anything at 21 is because deep down I know how much of a grind it really is and how painful and uncomfortable it would be
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>>38006972
It feels like life is on fast forward now and all the terrible decisions we made dictate what happens now no matter what we do. It still feels like highschool was yesterday but then I blinked and woke up as a broken man in my late 20s about to hit 30 where it's really all downhill in free fall from then and there's nothing I can do to stop it or slow things down.

Fuck where did all the time go?
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>>38007280
Similar to you with looks, physique well paid,uni degree, have car paid off, own my house etc.. Just have no interest in women or friends. Come from a history of backstabbers and women bs issues. Some from former friends and throughout my family especially my mom with my dad. Oddly enough being withdrawn from others only makes it more interesting and attractive to others cause mystery man vibe...I'm comfy at 29 I think my dad was expecting grandkids from me
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>>38007501
it's true that a 30+ year old single mom might let you fuck her dried up vag and raise chad's kid if you're less attractive but have a lot of money. but such scenarios should not even be considered, no self-respecting man would submit himself to such things even if the alternative were lifelong inceldom.
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You guys should read this free ebook called love shy. Heres a sample page that explains why people like us gets sociallu worse with age as opposed to normies that improves with age
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>>38007572
You were excited that HS ended thinking it was an impedance on your life. You realize now that all that forced convocation was the only life you had.
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>>38007583
>mystery man vibe
It's all romantic mystery and etc until they find out you're just not proud of jerking to chinese cartoon porn in your free time.

It's like when you have a favorite musician who is your idol and shit and then you read his twitter and you realize he's just another retard.
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>>38007628
Forgot pic

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>tfw 28 and my hair is turning white
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>>38007656
>>38007628

I'm love shy for sure, have no clue how to fix it. I've always been this way. I am legit terrified of women and intimacy.
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>its the under 25s ITT trying to play armchair psychologist withnus again
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>>38007677
You can at least dye it.

I'm balding. I'm at the stage as pic related, only I'm some 20 years younger.
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>>38007476
She's just old, tired, doesn't really care anymore. Things are beginning to shift where I'm having to help her pay bills and clean up around the house whenever I visit. Hopefully, you don't have to wait that long.
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This one hit the feels, exactly the same issue. I spend most of my time online, where im reading texts, playing games, listening to videos, writing comments - almost exclusively in English. Vocabulary skills are becoming as advanced as I was a foreigner who 'knows a few words'.
It's not the issue that i'm a retard, still can read anything complex, but nothing forms in my mind as a response. Add to that you are expected to form thoughts in real life under seconds, while online you have all the time in the world; got yourself a weird loner who "can't even form a proper sentence".
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>>38007707
my hair is much worse than that. i started balding pretty aggressively at 21.
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>>38007505

shut the fuck up pussy 27 is young
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>started abusing cocaine again
>last time was early 20s, 27 now
>heart beats funny sometimes
>random piercing chest pains
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>>38007634
Kek, ya I guess so. A couple of weeks ago I mentioned at the water cooler that I went skydiving recently and soon I wanna try dunebuggy or jetski cause why not. Some Stacey's now think I'm triple XxX and the coolest shit despite me eating lunch by myself everyday watching movies.
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Who here grown out of the "if only i can turn back time" mentality phase?
Like christ if you could've changed your life back then you would've. We all got our fair share of being x year old once.
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>>38007629
This is exactly the truth anon, god fucking damn this hits so hard. Even though I felt like I hated highschool in retrospect they were the best years of my life because I was actually around people with potential for relationships and good times that I otherwise never would have been. I actually had friends then but they've all moved on now and I can't ever reconnect with them and that realization destroys me because they were the best friends I would ever have in this life.
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>failed asian (chinese)
>2 undergrad degrees and a graduate degree
>gainfully employed just not making much because im so lazy
>richfag parents gave me a house
>richfag parents gave me a lot of other stuff

>still constantly depressed and suicidal
>only fuck hookers
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>>38007730
Not when people guess your age at being in your late 30s because of how much gray hair you have and how tired and dead you look all the time. My body might be 27 but the ironic part is I feel exactly as old as people guess me to be. If the eyes are the window to the souls then people are seeing right into mine, it's ancient.
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>>38007777
you could hit up your old friends and tell them you got sweet quads posting on r9k
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>>38007737
>random piercing chest pains

You sure it's not this, anon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precordial_catch_syndrome
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>>38007817
yeah, material possessions and stuff really don't matter, life satisfaction is pretty much totally driven by sexual/romantic satisfaction, which is 100% determined by your looks. if given the choice between 8/10 looks and 100 million dollars i'd take the looks easily.
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>>38007817

me again

>30 years old
>chinese parents try to get me married off to one of their friends daughters
>meet a few, theyre all white cock loving roasties
>meet a few from back in china too, theyre all whitecock loving roasties who love money too
>would rather be alone
>choice not ok with parents
>i have to marry a chinese girl by 35 and give them grandchildren by 37 or i lose all my inheritance (currently valued at 20 million USD, its a real estate empire).

>only fuck hookers, don't want to commit
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>>38007888
100 million dollars can buy you some fine ass hookers and sugar babies
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>>38007903
yeah but i'll never have a genuinely affectionate relationship. if you're good looking not only can you get sex, but you can know the person actually wants to be with you and likes you.
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>She's clearly into him

Time to give up on life
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>>38007926

the only women available to me via the "traditional" route are single moms and roasties looking for a bailout, and assorted uggos and fatties.

i've fucked somewhere between 30 and 40 hookers, many of them 7+/10. can't imagine committing to anything less than a 7
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>be 26 years old
>look like I'm 18 years old
>still too autistic and socially isolated to get laid
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>>38006227
I'm 18
Haven't fapped in 74 days
Have officially, as of today, lost 53 pounds from my peak. I am now 182 pounds.
I was a camp counselor for this Catholic camp this past week. It was great and I now have plenty of friends. Including girls. And since nofap, I don't really care about them sexually. Except for one who I have a crush on, but eh, ya win some ya lose some.

Glad I started early, robots! I used to be like you. It's more comfy this way. You lied to me.

>pic related, you reacting to me

Anyways, the best piece of advice I can give to you socially? Don't give a fuck about other's opinions. You'll find your niche. I mean, give a little bit of a fuck appearance-and-politeness-wise, but other than that.

I still have major social anxiety. Nobody has confidence, everybody fakes it.
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>>38007894
A Chinese qt is still better than any western femnazi cunt you'd find in the states. If I was you I'd do it just for the NEETbux, divorce her after you get the inheritance if you want but for gods sake you're passing up the gravy train because you don't pump your seed into some tight Asian pussy? Absolute madman.
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>>38007972
>>look like I'm 18 years old

bruh you think this is a bad thing? i'd kill to look 18. go bang 18 year olds.
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>>38007928
any /hist/ bros wanna help a brother out is that a Pershing?
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>>38007894
I doubt your parents have it in them to not give you any of the inheritance.
You have a home a job. You dont even need 20million. You ever thought your life would be better if you just cut yourself off of your parents?
Another thing, you think you can be happy chained down to a woman you dont love and having kids with them, essentially being chained down even further not only by your parents but your wife and kids? No amount of money is worth exchanging your freedom
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>>38007817
Op I'd like you to join an 'asian r9k' discord i made.
It's several months old and has over 40 members. About 10-15 of which are regulars.
I would love to have you on my discord.
This is the invite link QccVhcB
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>>38008032
>chinese parents

believe me, theyre capable of psychological cruelty to their own children that the west can only gingerly imagine.

these are the same parents who i overheard discussing having another baby because i wasnt turning out so well.

the worst part is i can't just cut them out. theyre still family and the only family i have. sometimes i feel like im honestly just waiting for them to die so i can an hero.
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>>38008009
Don't talk about my visually interesting image, please discuss my incredibly generic yet tragic post, thank you for your time
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>>38008094
Dude im not sure if you browse r9k often but im the guy who kept making threads about my dad pushing me to live in Guangzhou to become normal again.

I wrote what i did because i am also born to chinese parents. Except mine arent millionaires
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>>38007817
>>38007894
>>38008154
what a coincidence...i'm also a 30 year old chinese robot who has deeply disappointed my parents

i'm even planning on taking a trip to thailand for the express purpose of fucking a bunch of hookers in a few months
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>>38008344
Im actually going to guangzhou to live with my grandparents for self improvement reasons instead of having fun. Unlike you two im very far gone. No uni degree.

Anyway get the fuck on the discord. I need ppl like you on it.
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anyone else have some really beta fetishes like sph?
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>>38008494

I want to be dominated and that's one part of it, I guess/
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>>38006847

I'm 23 and I feel like I was 17 last thursday. I'm thinking over stuff like my credit score and savings/investment accounts, but my brain doesn't feel any different than it did when I was lighting off M80's in the old rock quarry after seventh period got out.

I imagine it only gets worse from here.
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I don't know if the girl I'm with is actually going to be able to commit to me, but I believe. I believe, for what feels like has been since grade school.

Even if she doesn't though, I'm a changed man, and she's a valuable companion in life. I don't need to be with her, and I don't need to love again.
My weights are my responsibility, and my responsibility is my meaning.
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36 yo pure wizard

i don't have any friends, and almost never talk to someone outside of work. the closest i get is cashiers. i see my parents once every week or two, but they are moving away to retire soon.
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30 here. I don't even have anything to say anymore I just want to post in this thread for whatever reason. fuck it.
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>>38008344

just go on TER (theeroticreview.com) and go for the local ones with the good reviews, thai chick sare nasty AF
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>>38006227
I'm 28 and I've never had a job, never owned a phone, never driven anywhere by myself.

I really want to kill myself. I just want to fucking die.
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>>38006890
Holy fuck this. I want to die. I hate my fucking self. FUCK. Im crying because Im pathetic.
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>>38006890
i freaked out about not having a job at 23, so i panicked and got a job

now at 27 i'm freaking out about dying alone, but i'm too scared to find a gf
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Trying to find solace in small pleasures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME
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>>38006227
28
Almost the same scenario only that i failed miserably my no fap attempt and the exercise, all i want to do is be on my bed and don't do shit
Last year i stopped drinking because health, that was my only way to socialise with normies, now i'm back to the bitter isolated me
i'm completely depressed and i can't seem to get the motivation to do just anything, a recurring fantasy is to buy a cyanide pill and just have it there so i can ctrl+alt+del when things get worse
pic unrelated
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im honestly just scared. panicked about my future. i wish anyone would give me a (you). im fucking pathetic.
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>>38009718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTIFSBlHzR8

originalium
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>>38009773
Thanks for the reply at least. im fucking exhausted and crying and the more i dont sleep the more i cry the worse both of those things get. lol
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>>38006227
No fap is retarded, I've been lifting for a month and a half and feel better though
Hoping to join the military once I'm in shape
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>>38010022
Want to talk about what's going on, anon?
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>>38006847
I'm twenty and sometimes I genuinely forget I'm not underage anymore. Even though I have a fucking job, I just don't feel like an adult.
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>>38010051
the crying is gone now thankfully.
im fucked up idk how much more detail i can really give. im a loser.
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>>38007894
Its true Westernize Asian girls all love the BWC

I don't even know how all these white guys here can't get laid
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>>38010179
I'm a loser too, and I somehow found someone who still likes me despite my being a complete shithole. Like, I'm a serious loser, man.
Don't give up hope.
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>>38010179
to add to this..
i was always a coward and pathetic, even as a toddler i hide behind my mom whenever anyone approached us. later as a young child i was molested for years by a non blood related relative. it wasnt scary molestation because he groomed me (another family member younger than me was involved too), he would buy us gifts and tell us he loved us and crap etc. even tho i wasnt threatened or beat or anything this shit really fucked me up. after high school i just decided i wasnt going to do life. I completely isolated myself. i have been in therapy where related to the molestation i was diagnosed with both ptsd and bpd, and (possibly) not related to it i have agoraphobia, avoidant personality disorder, social anxiety, ocd, and depression.
pretty much for th last ten years ive done nothing.
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>26, bi
>have never had sex with a girl
>still have women issues from high school rejection
>have had sex with 3 guys
>always been top
>lately only been able to cum to self insert as bottom gay porn
>wouldn't mind a bf
>want a gf so my life will be more normal (won't have to come out, only out to some family right now)

Should I pursue bf or gf? My confidence is higher lately and I think with a little self improvement and moving out I might be able to get either.
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>>38007059
>17 when I started
>30 when I got my BS
>still no job that requires it
>entry-level office drones need 1-3 years of experience
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>turning 25 next october
>dad passed away last monday
>have to walk pass all his stuff every day
>tfw his stuff is laying all around the house, almost as if he's home

He went to hospital for stomach aches, stayed there for a week. His results were looking better, but last monday morning my mom woke me up and told dad has gone to worse and there is not much time left. I didn't want to go, I didn't want to see my dad die. Not too long after mom called me and told dad has gone away. All of his papers, electronics, tools, instruments etc. are just as he left them.
Mom has a history of mental illnesses, I'm afraid she will fall in psychosis or something.


He was 60 years old, he wasn't even graying.
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>>38006890
Because you're no longer a young adult, just an adult and everyone around you has fucking familes while you play vidya and jack off to cartoons
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>turned 27 on the 21st
>ran out of restarts, know the consequences of fucking up one more time at this stage
>watch myself fuck it all up again
>lecturer tells me to see a counselor
>counselor tells me to see a doctor
>doctor tells me i can expect a call from a mental health center

i just wanted to get back on the antideps
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I'm about to turn 24 and it's given me massive anxiety.

For years I've had this "this is it you're not getting any younger" feeling but now it's fucking it. I'm not fresh out of high school anymore. The only saving grace is that I'm babyfaced as fuck and can still pass as like 19 but girls age don't like hearing how old I am. It doesn't help that I get the shitty end of being young looking which is lack of respect.

It's only getting worse. Fuck, fuck FUCK.
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>>38011419
27 here. I'd kill to be 24 again. Make the most of your mid 20's anon. Good luck
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>24
>neet/hikki for 95% of last 5 years
>cant drive
>no education apart from finishing high school
>dumb as fuck
>almost no working experience
>severe social anxiety/social retardation

Its all over isn't it? I don't even know why I'm still alive at this point, any future I have is going to be miserable in every way.
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>>38006858
Fuck off idiot. No one cares about your bullshit stories.
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>>38006842
>I'm on the brink of suicide.
Why?
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>when I first started posting on 4chan I was underage b&
>now I'm one of the older guys here
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>28
>Lost virginity two ago
>Cam within 30 seconds
>Aside from this the woman I was with thought I was a god at oral/fingering & told me (for no reason) that I made he more turned on than any other guy she's been with
>She no longer wants to do anything with me
>This means I won't be able to improve with someone who kinda expects me to cum fast
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>>38007150
do you not even play games?
play with anons or something, Discord at least will encourage you to speak.

Talk with your mum more, anon, she prolly wants to talk with you more than you think.
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I just want someone to hold me and tell me it's going to be okay.
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>>38011821
Do girls not let you keep going after you blow a load or what? Or did you just tire out after cumming?
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>>38007546
seeings 18yr olds, do you ever say I can't believe I'm 2x their age?
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>>38006227
>Jesus Christ lads, anyone else getting panic attacks? Who's falling for memes here?

im 30 years old and for the last 2 years my life has been completely ruined by anxiety attacks. doctor wants to tapper me off the medication because im on too high a dose. dont know what im going to do without it. please send help.
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>>38006740
enjoy your lobotomy pills
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>>38011887
I was wearing a condom.
I don't tire out.
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>>38011821
>told me (for no reason) that I made he more turned on than any other guy she's been with
she lied to you. told you what you wanted to hear
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>>38011955
Hey you fucking shit normie. I asked a question and your answer makes no sense. It doesnt even answer the question.

Why didnt you keep going? So what if you were wearing a condom? Keep going or throw on another one! Especially if you dont tire out!

Fucking neck yourself shithead!
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>>38012007
Nah there was no reason to. Not like she got any money or anything else out of me
>>38012017
I had literally never been with a woman before.
Also condoms are shit.
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mfw reading all of these comments

fuck I'm so sorry anons
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>>38012031
Why didnt you keep going?

WHY?
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>>38012104
I was very worried my cum would leak out.
I regret it very much
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Feelin pretty good actually. Made 2k taking advantage of panic sellers.
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>>38006647
>if I workout hard enough, will I get a gf?
Yes.

>>38006740
Hopefully they do help.

>>38006796
You're an idiot for not thinking how lucky you are for being around that prime, ripe puss.

>>38006819
I started back in 2007. Do you know how it feels to realise you've been coming to the same shithole for a decade? And to think you ACTUALLY LIKE IT HERE?

>>38006833
A good diet will fix the vitamins, and he said it's a good diet.

>>38006836
>I've grown strong
What's your bench

>>38006839
Then it's not very useful is it?

>>38006842
No you're not.

>>38006845
Youre 27. It's not that fucking old. Change your diet and go in public more. Even if it's just to shitpost on 4chan in the park on your phone. You need some vit d.

>>38006847
You still have two life times of time to go if you're 27. Why do you think being 30% through is so old and advanced?

>>38006884
Isn't that a sign you should change something?

>>38006890
>why is X such a big age
It's all in your head. There are posts all the time from people here freaking out about being 25, 19, 23, 29 with nothing to show for it. The answer is the same no matter what; you still have time, so go do something about it.

The only person I remember ever thinking was truely fucked was pic related.

>>38006921
Here's a thing no one ever tells you; every single person you looked up to when you were young feels the exact same way you do about not feeling like an adult.

>>38006923
>it's the critical age where women your age are no longer attractive.
You need to ground yourself in reality a little more.

>>38006972
The years still got 50% to go, and you're writing it off already? That's why you are a loser.

>>38007018
Dating apps that are NOT tinder. POF, OKC, oasis, whatever. Anything that is NOT TINDER. It's too hard there.
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>>38007199
I agree that everyone here is a loser, but why does mid 20, or even 30, signify the end of your life? It really is never too late, you used to think these things when you were 20 or 21. You're gonna live a long life, 40 isn't too late to completely change what you are doing, you can go to uni at any age, you can open a business whenever you want. The only things that hold you back are when you have responsibilities, such as earning money to pay your mortgage or rent or whatever, and almost everyone on here is lucky enough not to have them ties, since no family. It's just self pity for no reason, listening to a sad song and thinking about how hard you've had it, it's pathetic.
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>>38006847
>>38006890

For me it sounds so peculiar. Twentyseven. It's not nice and round like 26 and it's not 28 when you're pretty much an adult. It's just like a forgotten number. Just like us.
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>>38009196

You're not alone, bro. I wish crying would help me, but I used up all the crying catharsis.
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>tfw 22

life is over i already feel 30 years old lol
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>25
>can't enjoy vidya anymore
>can't enjoy anime anymore
>can't enjoy movies anymore
>can't enjoy books anymore
>haven't even bothered fapping in months
>haven't talked to someone irl in years
>only two online friends have become normies and abandoned me
this is it I guess. I'm at a dead end.
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Work an ok job
Been getting reduction in hours of work
Got a day reduced aswell
They slowly pushing me out the door
Got enough money left to pay rent for 1 more month
Gonna cut internet this week
Dunno what to do about food
Think I'll join the army at the start of next month. Living like this im currently; scare, nervous, anxious, getting a small panic attack. Had sex with a qt last night but was difficult to cum.with all this in my mind.
I dont wanna move back in with my parents
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>>38006858
>If I die in my house I don't think anyone would find out until a couple weeks
Life of grime did an episode on people who collect people like that then clear their homes they call them "garys" the offence find nothing leading them to relatives so there's no one at the funeral
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Are there any positive stories here? What do you guys consider success?
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>>38013608
I was hiki until 22 and then over 5 years gradually pulled myself together and earned a 4 year degree. If I don't fuck up my minor thesis, I'll get a PhD offer and will finally be earning an income doing something I enjoy. It's not success yet, though, since things could still fall apart
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>>38006227
You are all gonna make it!!!!
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>>38011936
lobotomy pills are exactly what i need. if i keep feeling emotions the burning pain and anger will never subside and there's no way i can live the natural term of my life like this. better to feel nothing.
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>>38013608
whenever i get on track i stop visiting this site, so its a self selection bias. those who "make it" wont be here
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>>38006227
turning 31 this december. But things are looking better. I still live with my mom. I am a school teacher and I am finishing my degree. Things get better as you age. At least it did for me. I hated my life until 27 years old.
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>>38007175
Good call anon. I have been working out since I was 15. I look great. I'm in better shape than most 20 year olds I know. I also have a thick fucking beard and a mean mug. Girls love it.
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>>38013608
I finally went back to school/university and have been doing well for a while now. I'm slowly learning to socialize. I have a number of acquaintances now and one true friend.

Unfortunately I don't know what exactly I did to break the (five year) NEET cycle, so I can't offer advice. It was definitely something I eased out of, though. My mother dragging me outside every now and then helped.

I'm going to learn a trade and earn money. Looking forward to that.
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>>38013608
I was in a pretty bad place when I was 23, living in my sisters basement, planning to kill myself etc.

Since then i've gotten out of my sisters basement and into a nice townhouse in the suburbs, changed jobs to something I like much more, and now am about to finish my MBA with a GPA of 3.6. I also got a qt asian gf and I'm actually relatively happy. I wish I made more money, but that will come when I finish my degree. I want to work in the management/marketing side of the game industry so I've been applying around anywhere I can. It's probably a pipe dream but I have to try hard so I won't live wondering what would have happened if I didn't.

I would honestly have to attribute my turnaround to therapy. I decided that since I was planning on killing myself, then I would see if therapy/meds would work, and if they didn't, then I would go through with it. Luckily for me, they did. I'm even off the meds now and don't have to go to therapy anymore, It helped my life to the point where I don't need any psychological help anymore.
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>>38014883
For clarification, I'm almost 27, so it's been about 3.5 years since the turnaround.
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>>38011809
I was raised here. This is my home
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>>38007979
I remember larping like that when I was 16-18. Fun times.
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It's 8 am and I've cracked open a beer.
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I'm getting to that age where my peers stop being dorky shut-ins and start becoming schizophrenics and alcoholics. While agency increases with age, so too does capacity for suffering it seems.
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>>38015263
I'm all three of those.
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>>38012033
Your sympathy is noted

>tfw that's the face I make every night trying to fall asleep
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>>38006847
>27
>still feel like a teenager
I don't feel like I'll ever grow up, I will be the eternal manchild.
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>>38013608
I got good grades at my major. 4 more years and I'll have my masters degree at 31.
Everything else sucks, but at leas I should be able to have a comfy, well paying job if I keep at it.
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>>38015807
That's better than acting middle aged when you are 24 desu
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>>38006227
>Turning 26 in a few weeks
>Still a virgin
>Thinking about getting fucked instead for my first time
Any gay/bi fags got some stories about bottoming?
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>>38016196
you'll still be a virgin, just now you'd have hiv
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>>38016254
Yeah that isn't gonna scare me, my body is already a shitshow and I'm probably gonna kill myself soon anyway.
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>>38016312
then go for it. hope your life doesn't have a turning point after you get aids
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>25, started uni this summer in an attempt to get my life back to together
>surrounded by 19/20year old people
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>>38015263
I'm actually saner and more lucid than ever at 26 thanks to not doing doing drugs or alcohol. Not sure if it's a blessing or a curse desu
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>>38006858
It would take a few weeks for someone to notice if i died too
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>>38006858
>when I would really start to stink and the grass would be tall.
That doesn't happen to everyone. Some people takes months to be found. Or years
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Life is so crazy man. The years really do fly by and you don't realize it, especially when you are in your youth. Think about it, you spend your childhood and teens on a kind of upward trajectory. Every year you get taller, smarter, more independent, i.e. better in most ways. So you don't even take account of time, time is on your side.

But that is precisely your downfall. At some point, maybe around your mid-twenties, time stops being on your side. The mere passage of time no longer guarantees life progress. In fact, decay starts to set in pretty quickly -- of your skills, your social life, your body. And you don't even realize it because you've been lulled into a false sense of security.

You can maintain and improve your life after this point, but it's dependent on you realizing that time is passing and taking it by the balls. But it's really hard to grasp this until you've probably squandered your 20s, as I have.
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>soon going to a psychiatric day-hospital again

JUST
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>greatest wish in my life is to retry teenage life
>realise I'll be 30 soon
>those times are long gone
>too old for most fun things
>too old to hang out with young people without looking like a pathetic creep
>life is work and adult things now

Maybe I'll just kill myself when I hit 30

Fun is over anyway
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>>38016674
>Every year you get taller

That is right, but I have stayed a super manlet until my 16th year in which I got to king of manlet state.

>smarter

No

>more independent

No, I was more independant as a kid, when my parents had to work all the time and I had to take care of myself.

Nowadays as a NEET I am really dependant.
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>tfw everyone thinks you're a well adjusted person who is successful on their own but in reality you're a huge mess crying out for help on the inside
I don't like discussing issues with my family or friends and I've had bad experiences with mental health treatment in the past. I don't feel comfortable talking to anyone, even my parents. Who should I go to?
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>>38006845
I'm the same way. Somehow I'm able to work but I don't think it can last forever. Eventually I'll hit rock bottom if I keep doing this.
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>really just want my next car
>need to hold out for 3 months

if i get it now i'll probably be overpaying by about $5000, but fuck it's hard to wait
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>>38017568
I know that feeling, anon.

Get a shrink, really. Some low grade shit is fine because all you really need is someone to vent to so you can keep up that facade to the important people in your life. 4chan works okay as an emergency outlet, but it's miles away from how effective it is to let it all out on a real human face to face. Just don't expect the shrink to change you, and drop them like a bad habit as soon as they start trying to sign you up with a diagnosis or pills. Treat it like an understanding face to let it all out on and nothing more.

The reason you should do it with a shrink and not a close friend is because shrinks are under a vow of silence, so it's way the hell less likely your stuff gets out.

Bottling it up is the worst option avalible because you will burst and either go nuts or break down.
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>>38006227
If you're doing the social part and going to the gym it will get better, at a gym people will treat you well if you work hard and they see that. Even if you're awkward they'll be nice or give gratz etc fist bump.

When you try to be social it will be painful and you'll want to stop but it get better, you'll have lots of confliction but overall its worth it
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>>38016786
I had the same feel when I turned 30 but actually 30s is better than 20s for me. I mean I'm still unhappy but there is less turmoil.
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>>38017861
What do you even spend your days doing? It feels like already at 25, fun things are looked down on. It's work, come home tired, clean/cook/other chores that needs to be done so I don't have to live in a shitheap, do something low effort for a couple hours, sleep, repeat. Forever.

I wanted to travel and see the world as a kid, but that's a pipedream.
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>>38012442
>live a long life
Between the lack of exercise, sedentary lifestyle, shitty eating habits, terrible sleep patterns, and constant stress and anxiety, I'd be amazed if I make it past 40. My blood pressure is already through the roof. All of this has proven medical research to show it reduces your lifespan. I'm already 26 so my life is pretty much half over at this point. I'm guaranteed major health problems. But I don't have the energy or motivation to do anything even though I know it's bad for me.
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>>38017722
I'd like to try again but I don't know. I lost confidence in the medical system. I cycled through so many female therapists but I didn't like any of them. There are barely any male therapists out there. And the one I did have one time was terrible.
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>>38018004
Most shrinks don't know shit, so don't go there to get fixed. They can't do it. They will feed you stuff they read in a book which you can feed yourself by reading the same book. Finding one that's actually good at his job is extremely unlikely.

So don't try, use them as a regular dude or chick that has a vow of silence which means you can tell them absolutely anything. Venting is extremely important.
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>>38018202
>They will feed you stuff they read in a book which you can feed yourself by reading the same book.
To an extent, sure, but it's also helpful to have an external perspective. Being that cynical about it isn't constructive or useful.
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>>38017890
That's exactly what I do. Work, eat, clean, chores, low effort, sleep. But I'm used to it and more content with it. I do travel though. My job is well paying and since I have no gf, wife or kids I can spend the money I don't save on myself. I also have a nice place and a nice car.
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>>38006845
>tfw started getting mistaken for a 40 year old when I was 25
>started using alcohol-free skin-toner and then loreal revitalift before bed every 2nd or 3rd day
>look like a baby

it just werks!
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>>38006847
>tfw you realize you literally haven't done anything for the past 10 years
>tfw you realize at the speed in which the last 10 years went, you're actually not all that far from 40
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>>38018881
I don't think you've spent much time in the medical rollercoaster if you think that.

Sure, an external perspective can be good, but most shrinks don't give a good one at all. In my experience, most shrinks are obsessed about one particular condition and likes to box patients into that condition, trying to find ways they match it rather than trying to find the condition the patient matches or treating them through exposure if the underlying cause isn't a condition. It varies from shrink to shrink, but in all my time on the rollercoaster I've only found one shrink that didn't have this shortcoming. She was great, though.
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26, unemployed, no gf. no job prospects, really just like drinking my problems away. cant stand the normie conversations around me, so inane and pointless, i want to die.
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>>38007150
Good god I know that fucking feel anon.

>tfw words get jumbled in completely incomprehensible order
>tfw words come out pronounced completely wrong
>tfw talking manually

Literally hell. SSRI's fixed my shit, I'm so happy I can fucking communicate again. Even if I still don't like talking to people, I'm just glad I can do it again when I need to without completely embarrassing myself.
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>>38006740
I wish you luck. I tried antidepressants, and perhaps it's because I was skeptical of them in the first place, but I woke up the first night at 3am sweating and having a panic attack like I've never experienced, took a benzo to settle down, felt incredibly uncomfortable the next few days and haven't taken them since.

I probably should, but after that experience I think I'm better off just dealing with my issues alone
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>>38019322
Antidepressants are side effect hell, anon. I've been on 5 different types, and while they do help with the depression they fuck your life up hardcore in other ways. It's a matter of choosing which bad situation you want.
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I'm 30 in less then a month. It dawns on me that I have never kept a job for more then 2 and a half years.
Everything I do ends in failure even suicide.
I can't stand working but nor can I bare to NEET it
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>>38011221
i know these feels anon, my dad died when he was 53, seeing them go so soon is tough. take the time you need to feel better, it will help in the long run. 3 yeas later and im still not over it and just more of an alcoholic.
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>>38006227
I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing anymore. I'm looking for a job at 25 years old, but everything just looks so intimidating and beyond my capabilities.

I just wish I could have some sort of low-responsibility night job working at a desk or something.
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>>38011221
What was it that he died from?
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>>38006847
I've been doing this since I turned 18 six years ago
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>>38011221
Fuck man...

gdfdg
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>>38006227

What is a good job to puruse lads? Im 26 and still in minimum wage territory
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I want to have friends in real life, not just online.
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>>38012962
Pretty much same, I only fap more or less every week.
>one girl blocked me because she started streaming and I guess she thought she was too good for me
>other girl out of the blue messaged me that she became a single mom
>oneitis talks about marriage and having children
I just want a car so I can change locations. My mother hates me and she'd rather see the car burn than me driving it.
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>>38019596
Sounds dumb man but I picked up a dishwasher job and its pretty chill. You'll probably end up cooking though if you work there longer than 4-6 months
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>28

Starting to feel a little better after a massive emotional crash 2 weeks ago. Going threw alcohol withdrawal from 2 weeks of bing drinking. Job sucks but I'm about to start training to be a warehouse supervisor. My company pays shit but I can get the necessary experience to use elsewhere. Still a social failure. Overall things look set to start improving if I don't self destruct like I do so well.
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>>38019818
You have friends online?
You're lucky.
Or wait, do you mean other anons?
Does that count as friends?
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>>38020136
Yeah. I remember making posts on /adv/ asking people how to make online friends. I started making them when I was 24 but it's not enough.
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What is a good job to pursue, lads? Im 26 and still in minimum wage territory. Pretty close to off-ing myself desu
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>>38020198
Do you meet them too sometimes?
I've had online friends but it's just too hard to keep finding shit to talk about after a while.
Kept a few for maybe 5 years but it was just ridiculous at the end, no one was interested in all the meaningless talk anymore.
Irl friends goes about the same way, it's just that I tend to lose contact before the 5 years mark.
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You.
Outstanding work.
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>>38020278
All friendships end like that unless you have something in common that you are both interested in and trying to get better at.
IE: A certain game or hobby.
I have just 1 good friend irl. The thing we have in common is that we are both interested in philosphy and he's no Chad, he knows suffering. Thank god I know him else I'd be dead in t his pool of normies.
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>Turning 25 next month
>KV
>College dropout
>Zero work experience
>Zero friends
>So apathetic even playing vidya feels like a chore
>Every time I try to improve myself I fail and turn back to old habits
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>>38020257
The answer are trades but I'm too fucking apathetic and depressed about being a complete loser and social pariah at 27 to even get the ball rolling. I know that even if I do go in I'll be working myself to the bone to the bitter old age 75 because my life is so fucked so there's that too. There's no hope either way.
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3 month of no fap have litteraly turned me into a eunuch. I have zero sex drive and I cannot get an erection. It's not like I was addicted to porn, I fapped maybe once every 3 days and mostly without porn.
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I just have no energy to do shit like exercise. When I get home after 8 hours on my feet working, I just want to sink into a chair and rest my legs/feet.
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>>38020401
>had really good irl friend who grew up similar to me and knew all the shitty feelings I knew
>was claimed by political autism in the 2016 election
>now it's all he's capable of talking about and caring about

He was such a cool dude, now he's some fucking right wing activist.
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>>38020720
i can see the appeal. and the psychological reasoning behind it. it just takes too long to get into it here. the idea is that it's very strong and most people could get a hold by it especially if they didn't stand for anything beforehand. the appeal of an idea to stand for and to blame all your faults on is VERY VERY VERY strong.
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>>38020789
It's basically religion for nonreligious people.

I totally see the appeal, I do. He's got a community now with the other activists, he belongs somewhere, and he has purpose.

I'd join him if I was able to go so far to either side of the political spectrum, but I'd be lying to myself.
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>>38019368
I have no side effects from the stuff I take now, which is Wellbutrin.

However it doesn't really help either, so whatever.
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>>38007508
Good looking plus silent is the number one most attractive thing to most women.

It's called being mysterious, or the strong silent type. They love that shit.

Only works if you're tall and have good hair though
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>>38017568
>I've had bad experiences with mental health treatment in the past
So have I.
My first three male psychologists have been terrible. First one was an old guy who I felt wasn't listening to me and just went full Freud on me. Second guy (his son) basically just listened to what my mother had to say, didn't ask for my version of the story and prescribed me pills to make me more docile. Third one was just interested to cash-in and gave terrible normie advice ("Just get a girlfriend and it will solve all your problems").
Then I had a female one who couldn't care less, just handed out pills and then out of a sudden refused to give them out unless I made regular check-ups at which point I quit pills.

After that I met my female Psychotherapist who was the first one who really cared, gave constructive advice and who I could argue with on an equal level.
I takes some time to find the right one.
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>>38020973
>Wellbutrin.
Just the name sounds good. I'm currently taking fluoxetine because it supposedly is helpful with anxiety. I don't really feel any different.,
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>>38021185
>"After that I met my female Psychotherapist who was the first one who really cared"

Anon. They dont care.
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>>38021341
Cares enough to listen, write down stuff and be able to actually recall thing I've said a dozen sessions ago. Not like the other who ignored what I said and did some textbook preaching.

If she doesn't care about me, at least she cares about her job.
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26 here
I'm at a fucking brick wall in my life. I hate my job, it's killing my social life (I work on the weekends) and I'm trying to apply to other jobs but nothing interests me and I feel like recruiters and managers at other places can immediately sense that.
I'm drinking more lately though I have cut down on my weed smoking.

I know I'm intelligent and I know plenty of people who are fucking morons who are extremely successful in life and I'm just barely scraping by and I know it's because I have no aim or ambition or drive or work ethic.

I have no chance of getting a girlfriend right now because I never meet people. And I know the only way to meet people is to leave my current job but I can't leave my job without having another one waiting.
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>>38021422
>I'm intelligent
>smokes weed
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i feel so bad
i finally got a gf and now i feel pathetic for not having a job and dropping out uni again
while she works i sit at home doing nothing
why couldn't i have had proper parenting
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>>38019660
Kidney and liver failure. He was only 60 years old. He didn't live very healthy lifestyle.
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>>38021477
Probably the thing to do is stop blaming the past and start focusing on the present and get any shitty job you can ASAP. After doing this always make sure you come off super busy and productive to your gf who's pussy will subconsciously dry out over the upcoming months if she sees you sit at home emasculated jerking it and playing video 90 hrs a week.
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>>38021477
how do you get a gf without a job
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>>38014903
>>38014883

How did you get into a nice townhouse? Did you get a job that allowed you to move out or something? Did you live alone?

I like living alone. Moving out only to end up with roommates sounds really shitty to me. I'm just trading 3 assholes related to me for some other assholes not related to me.
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>>38021242

I took fluoxetine, 60mg daily for a few years. Give it a while to start working, it takes fluoxetine a couple of months to build up to an effective concentration in your body (unfortunately that makes coming off the drug take months) It should reduce your anxiety, it'll reduce most things actually (happy, sad, horny, angry) I found it very hard to cum, it also gave a mild case of shaky hands and a little bit of OCD. Apart from that it was ok.
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>>38021589
>and playing video 90 hrs a week.
i don't even play vidia anymore
that's the thing, i basically do nothing
i sent my resume to companies and i haven't got a single response
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>>38006227
You're only three weeks in, calm the fuck down.

Seriously, all these kids thinking they'll reform themselves instantly. That shit has been building up on your personality for years amd years; it's going to take years and years to chip away at hwm
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>>38021729
How do you kill time then?
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>>38021754
sleeping and browsing /pol/tv/r9k/
i feel absolutely crap
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>>38021717
I need to get a good job and move away from my shitty parents, and live alone.

Unlike a lot of people here, I don't really want a bunch of friends and a gf and all that shit. Sure, I feel like Im missing out sometimes, but I REALLY just want my own place (no room mates) where I can live alone and play vidya or watch TV or cook my own meals without some bitch like my mom complaining about not cleaning up.

Have those depression meds helped you advance professionally at all?

I've been diagnosed with depression, and I'm pretty sure I'm depressed because my life is so shit. I'm 30, unemployed despite having a degree, and live with my piece of shit alcoholic mother, a father that's a total doormat and an enabler, and a brother that's just an evil asshole. Your average fucking normie would have killed himself by now.
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>>38021613
How do you get a girlfriend with a job?
You don't have any time to go outside and meet people..How are you supposed to find a girl like that?
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>>38022029
Are you really that stupid?

unoriginal comment
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>>38021884

Christ you almost sound like me (I started taking it in my early 30's, I don't take it anymore). You'll find the stress of a job easier to put up with and the anxiety of being around people will be lower. You'll be more inclined to speak in situations where you would previously have remained silent. So if issues like that affect your job performance then yes fluoxetine should help.

The weird thing I felt was almost a "stabiliser" effect on my thoughts where if I felt my thoughts going in a bad direction it felt like something kicked in and pushed my thoughts back in a more positive direction. Like some extra system had been added to my brain.
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>>38021884

I'd also add that your number 1 priority should be working to change your living circumstances. When I was diagnosed with depression it coincided with a time when my living situation/standards was one of the worst it's ever been. When I got out of that living situation my mental health improved and my depression eased to the point where I felt like I didn't need the meds anymore. I still have my down days but not to the point where I need meds to get out of bed.
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Chad Marco, please make a 25+ rap my man.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yveA_vO22ys

vid very much related to the /25+G/.
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>>38022267
So they didn't help you advance professionally at all? Great, so nothing is going to help. . .

I've been diagnosed with anxiety too, but it's not really the kind of anxiety where you feel afraid to speak up or talk to someone. It's the kind of anxiety where you are tormented by a lack of progress in life (lack of financial progress for me).

My job performance has always been good. I've just always been stuck in shitty low wage jobs with no opportunity for advancement.
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>>38022171
I wouldn't know, never had a job.
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>>38012442
It depends of what's wrong in your life. Sure, it's never too late if you're not short, not ugly, not diseased.
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who else here /hatred for normies?/

I started with uni at the age of 25, before that I was neet for 5 years. I used to be really fat, and I just didn't pay much attention to my appearance in general, all I wanted to do was play games.

Anyway, before the start of uni I actually managed to lose weight and get in a good shape (5 times a week lifting) and I started to pick the right clothes etc.

At the start of uni and the weeks after, people approached me, wanted to be my friend. They probably think I'm a normie but I can't fucking stand these shitters.

If this was high school, nobody of these people would want to talk to me, now I changed a bit, and suddenly everyone is nice to me? I have nothing in common with these fuckers, I don't care about your weekend, I don't care what you had for breakfast just end yourself fucking normie, is basically what I think on a daily basis
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>>38012442
Depends on what you want from life.

Nothing about adult life excites me, and so I feel like I lost my purpose around 22
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>>38022441

Well no, it won't make you magically smarter or install new skills into your brain or make your boss promote you/give you a raise.

Anxiety over not progressing in life in a hard nut to crack. Look into Stoicism? Read Schopenhauer or Marcus Aurelius or Epicurus and try and implement their ideas into your life.

The best advice I can personally offer is if theres an area in your life that you'd like to improve (anything at all) and it's within your means to improve it then do so.
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>>38022802
normies ruin my life daily. theres a baseball game today, normans have infested my bars i like to frequent during the day to drink. oh anon what team you rooting for, bitch i dont give a fuck about baseball. i thought san francisco was supposed to be robot friendly, i was wrong.
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How the fuck am I going to make it to 40?
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anyone here wanna die but just like in your sleep or fade away? i have 2 shotguns and one is a double barrel anf ive never shot them but i think about it every day and wanna do it but once im holding it i think "jeez my head would explode and id probably not be dead instantly" i dont wanna kms but id love to just fade out quickly. my parents are nice and stuff but it still makes me bitter to hear them say anything about me eventually having a wife because my mom has said stuff like "if you ever get a black girlfriend thats a good way to get left out of the will, your father wpuld disown ypu and
never speak to you again".

i have no friends really and work at a family buisness. i have bo reason to wanna die but i fucking do even though im scared to kms so ill just die a pathetic death of old age and senility probably.
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>28 years old
>whole life has been an apalling failure
>came out as gay as a joke when I was 14
>parents believed me
>for some reason I never told them I am not gay
>this has shaped my whole life, they now hate me, and kicked me out for being gay when I turned 16
>they kicked me out in a really dramatic way, dad drilled a 'gloryhole' in my bedroom wall when I was sleeping and put through a fake penis with some money stuck to it and a note that said 'suck on this and get out'
>was homeless for 3 months
>didn't want to admit I'd been joking about being gay for so long
>eventually managed to get a job as a cleaner in a shopping mall
>spent my entire life since then renting out a tiny bedroom in a house owned by a Mexican man
>have spoken to him 7 times in 10 years
>once told him it was my birthday and he gave me an avocado
>when he saw me eating it he got angry for some reason and doubled my rent, still not sure why
>still work cleaner in the mall, also got another cleaner job at a school
>literally work night and day cleaning
>miserable and fat as fuck
>have bad skin, ear infection, eyes are starting to go blurry
>tfw will probably die soon of obesity related issues
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i know this is probably mentioned a lot but isnt it fucking crazy how fast your 20s fly by? it's like one moment you're some 21 year old kid and then 4 short years later your fucking 25 and society expects so much more out of uou
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>>38023559
>>they kicked me out in a really dramatic way, dad drilled a 'gloryhole' in my bedroom wall when I was sleeping and put through a fake penis with some money stuck to it and a note that said 'suck on this and get out'
please tell me this is real
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>>38006819
In 30 and ive been posting here since I was 18 or so.
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I'm 19 so I should fuck off but this thread makes me want to sort myself out.
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>>38023559
There's no way that's real. Origamoli
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>>38006227
im finally getting accutane at 25. Anyone have experiences with it?
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>>38024457
>im finally getting accutane at 25
how the fuck hasn't your acne disappeared? I had pretty persistent moderate acne that cleared up at 23. Have bad scars though.

As for your question, accutane should be a miracle drug. Chapped lips are the most common side effect, so buy some chapsticks.
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>>38024457
>how the fuck hasn't your acne disappeared?
how the fuck am I supposed to answer that
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>>38025388
meant to quote >>38025188

oragmamai
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if I applied for a wagie job and they called me back they would leave a message right? I don't pick up phone calls from unknown numbers because 99 percent of the time they are sales calls
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>5'7 manlet
>320lbs
>literally have a 3 inch dick
>horrible genetics, with severe mental illness in family, including immediate family having schizophrenia
>24khv
>live in trailer park with mother
>father died 3 years ago Was 450 pounds and heart attack
>no driver license
>60k in debt NEET (Flunked out of Uni Junior Year)
Can it even get any better at this age?
>tfw used to listen to this song when 18, 19 when I still thought I had hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB7E1D_3Na4
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>>38007049
The bitter truth

I say this as an attractive male. The point is being as outrageous in your approach that they won't forget you.
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>>38006227

I just don't care anymore. I used to care and I was an optimistic person thinking my life would turn out well. Now I'm 27 and I haven't been with anyone in over a decade and I don't want to be with anyone again, I don't even look at women and I have no friends. I've found that getting excited for little things get me by though.

I look forward to finishing a book and moving on to the next one, I look forward to going to sleep and I look forward to mail.
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I don't enjoy anything anymore, apart from running. Actually I don't enjoy the run, I enjoy finishing a run. I have a runners high for a week or two then I just get drained out and don't leave the house for days. I went to a doctor the other day who gave me some pills and told me to lose weight. I get what he says, but I was obese 2years ago, now I stagnated on 75kg, and he still wants me to lose 5kg more. He told me to book an appointment with a psychiatrist, but it's been 3days and I haven't done it, I'm afraid of that step.
What bothers me most is that at 27 yo, I don't have a job, and all jobs I can get are to be yelled at for low pay at call centers. I'm done with that, I only want a job where I can do my work with little social activity. I went to an interview 3 weeks ago for a production line that didn't ask for experience and arranged training that pays minimum wage but they pay good night hours, but I don't have a drivers license (I can get there and back on public transport), and I think they didn't like that part. They said they would phone the next week but they had two more weeks to do it and didn't, plus I saw the same advert today. Bummed me down quite a bit.
Also the doctor recommend I take a fighting sport. I have never done any sort of sport my entire life, could you guys recommend some?
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>>38006847
I think that's why the 27 club exists. It's basically the last year you have that you can delude yourself that you are still young, even though you're not. You closer to the wall, than you were graduating HS or dropping out of UNI. After 27, even if you get your shit together, you are basically perma that creepy guy, especially if you try and pretend you can keep going to places that are 90% teenagers. (Such as r9k which in reality is mostly failed normies 18-21 who will probably grow out of it.)
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>>38023559
>came out as gay as a joke when I was 14
>parents believed me
>for some reason I never told them I am not gay
Holy fuck
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I'm 27.

Taking a step back I just want to say you guys have grown into very wise individuals. Lets not forget we are a lost generation - our childhoods digitized, franchised and planned.

It was a world where some were born into great opportunities for success, others into stagnation and rot. The true tradgedy is the loss of potential in all of you. Everyone should be allowed to grow to their fullest potential. But life is competitive and not fair.

Well maybe theres hope in trans-humanism. Maybe we can be made young again. Band together and work towards this purpose. You guys can change the world because your the only ones who see.
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This is why I like r9k and keep coming back since I was a teen in '04.

We get rejected or alienated for one reason or another by our culture, communities, family, or friends.

It leaves us hurt, and wounded, deeply in the soul that leaves us with a distrust of humanity that we wish wasn't bestowed on us.

And certainly we are not alone, even through the ages.
Many, many men throughout the history of humanity have surely walked on this path of confusing and nebulous feelings towards our own species.

And since we all share that pain, and the wish to be released from it, we find in each other kinship and comradery.

Enjoy the smallest joy you are able to find today robots, for it is yours, and the world can't take it from you in this moment.
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>>38006647
Confidence is more attractive then physical attributes but you need to have both to some degree
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I'm 27 years old and i realized I'm the same person as I was when I was 13. It's crazy how I woke up one day and nearing 30. When I was 19 I wasn't full of optimism but now I'm content and I hate myself for it. I wish I could have done more with my life not just career wise. I wish I would have fucked a few times,went out with some friends,and take a girl to a romantic spot somewhere. I feel lost, I know I'm not the only one either because i see a lot of dudes that I suspect are in my position.

I'm in the point of my life where i'm looking for some kind of meaning,what ever that is. people my age are past me socially by a massive margin. When I do speak it's like someone from another planet trying to communicate despite us both speaking the same language.

what's the only "upside" about my position is that I've pulled my ass out of a rut I was in since i was 14. I'm slimmer than i ever was and I feel great. I'm losing the fear of people and gaining confidence in myself now. it's strange how I had to hit rock bottom and come out better off.
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>change to much healthier diet
>feel like my body is decomposing

what the hell lads
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>>38025538
for a mentally ill person the best advice i can give to learn how to take out your anger/stress in a natural and none-harmful way. this will pave the way for better things
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>38
>live with mom
>currently in a rut
>no job
>no wife or kids
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>34
>live with mom and dad
>no degree
>no job
>never had gf

All I do all day is exercise or gym because at least it gives me something to do. My parents stopped caring at least because they know I'm fucked.
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Half way to fifty.
It's over lads isn't it?
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>>38027038
>he thinks being rich is making it
>he hasn't taken the redpill of being content and enjoying the small shit like stars on a clear night or the cool water of a stream in a summer afternoon.
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>>38027073
I just want to be happy and share my happiness with someone.
I've been alone the last 10 years and feel it's too late to change.
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>just got out of the psych ward
Any other robot shave this experience? I tried to keep this from my family but the dishonest doctor told my mom and she was crying when she talked to me. I've been getting drunk often and I'm wondering if there will be permanent side effects. I'm drunk right now and know that what I've wrote does not make much sense.
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>>38007268
Jesus christ anon. You've been fucking around since clinton

Sounds depressing but also comfy
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>>38027107
>not doing no fap and going on a strict diet and exercise plan
>not cutting out all normie media and reading the classics and self help books
>Not leaving humanity behind
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>>38026879
38 is beyond the "rut" phase.
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>>38007505
What about 23?
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>>38027166
Stop projecting on me man.
I lift stone for a living, work out daily and haven't used social media since 2010.
I'm leaving humanity behind soon aswell.
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>had crisis recently
>mom had outpouring of friends offering help
>moms friends range from 40 years friendship to a couple years
>i had no one

i think i need some friends
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>>38021563
I'm sorry to hear that. My dad is crippled and i don't want him to know what a failure I've become. I haven't spoken to him in 7 years, i only met him a few times but he seemed like such a good person, he and my stepmother seemed so nice. I care for them a great deal but will never talk to them anymore.
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>tfw 27

I think my body is starting to deteriorate, I've been drinking for so long that now I'm starting to get pains when I drink, peeing and shitting is getting more irregular and uncomfortable.

Other than that, life is good. lost my virginity late in life (24) so I dont get as much anxiety in social situations now, had an overbearing mother for all of my life that I blamed for most of my troubles and receding into 4chan but Ill be getting inheritance soon probably so I can get the fuck away forever, went on anti-deps last year when my dad finally croaked, went off them a few months ago and don't feel like killing myself as much, have goals in life, just wish I could stop drinking or else I will surely end up like my old man sooner rather than later, im drinking now to see if the pains come back, thinks are ok.
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>>38015263
Fug
Why is it that even schizophrenia can set in
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>>38027381
To add, i'm drunk a fuck.
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>29
>Balding. If I grew it out for more than two weeks, I'd look like an old Chinaman despite looking fairly young for my age. I just buzz it really short now.
>Practice Muay Thai and MMA-style striking and grappling. Also lift and run. Did a 5K a month ago.
>Fell for the liberal arts meme
>Taught English overseas in Eastern Europe and South America in between spells of NEETdom. Made some friends among the expats and English-speaking locals there.
>Don't have many truly close friends where I live, outside of a few acquaintances at the martial arts gyms I go to.

Could be better, could be worse. Wagecucked back home for a little bit, working alongside kids who were slightly older than half my age, then quit that a month ago to enlist. Shipping out to basic training in a few weeks and just trying to get /fit/ter until then.
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>>38026510

27 in 2 months and feel the same
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I do often think about the 27 club, it won't be by gunshot or jumping off a bridge tho. Heroin/fent is the move, just gotta find it first. Might as well get some pleasure out of life before it ends, sure as hell won't be sexual pleasure.
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>>38027837
If you're going out, you should at least give it your all first. And I don't mean it like that old cringe inducing image on /b/ about the world is your oyster. I just mean that if you can kill yourself you can suffer any number of embarrassments and failures.
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Ive been texting with a 47 year old woman (im 27)) after a few days of no talk she texted me her kids are going to camp next week maybe we should get together

am i going to get some milf pussy?
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>>38028568
too old, her kids are your age aonon
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>>38028783
read better i said her kids are going to camp, they are like 11. anyways she has a nice face and isnt obese, i think i have to go for it
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28, just moved back home with mom.
No degree, no job, $35K in student loans.
So this is life. Huh.
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>>38006227
I think I'm getting crazier, which in turn is making me more confident.

Things could be worse.
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>fired from my last job in 2010 after accidentally hitting someone
>moved back with parents and went to community college for 3 years
>dropped too many classes to get into a nearby 4 year school, and no car to even get to a state university.
>been NEET for the past 4 years
>did much of nothing except masturbate and use up savings/leech off parents
>made a serious effort the last 2 months to get a job
>applied to hundreds of entry level retail and food service wagecuck positions
>got 3 interviews
>2 never contacted me, one sent an automated rejection letter 2 weeks later
Next time I get a job interview should I clarify to them that I have no criminal record, I just did nothing with my life the last 4 years? I didn't say I was fired either, except when applying to the company I got fired from, since its on record, and they did say I can re-apply
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>>38029800
and when I worked there I saw several people who were previously fired get re-hired like a year later.
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>>38021672
I live in the midwest, so rent here is stupid cheap. I first found a couple dudes on craigslist who were looking for a roommate. I was essentially living in Isolation except for family and my gf so it seemed like a good idea. It wasn't. They were absolute slobs and one of them was just a general asshole, would drive drunk every day etc (I think that's one of the shittiest things you can do)

Luckily, I had a high school friend who was looking for a roommate so I found a sublease and got out as fast as I could.

I live in a nice area in a townhouse for 600 bucks a month. I make 30k a year right now (but I get my MBA program paid for) so it's a little tight but it works pretty well. I think that you have to keep trading assholes until you find someone good, if you don't know anyone. Having friends in the long run is worth it for your mental health.
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>>38021884
I was on it for a few years and it did definitely help me professionally. I was able to focus a lot better. I've actually stopped taking it because I was really unable to be mad/happy/horny and I felt that was not good. It helped me handle my demons and now that they are nice and buried I can be a real human for a little while.
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who /strange delusions/ here?
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The last few weeks have been pretty interesting. (27yo virgin, had been kissed, hadn't had any sort of bf/gf situation)


>qt grill asks me out
>"say yes to life" -> we start hanging out
>she wants to make it a thing
>im unsure but hey let's see what happens
>immediately realize i'm not that into her, hugemistake.jpg
>suck it up for a week
>i break it off 6 days into the 'relationship'

lemme tells ya, having a gf is only worth it if she's the right gal. being in a relationship just to be in one- not even once.
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>>38007628
yes i read it a long time ago and re-read it several months ago

gilmartin died like recently too, rip in peppers i guess. dude used to go to south east asia and probably fuck underage hookers, lol

this book is 100% LEGIT and should be read by all ppl who are seriously trying to break out of incel

one of the most striking phrases in the book for me was something akin to "confidence to talking to women comes from sexual success with women"

and then later he was talking about how the loveshy's parents were uncomfortable with looking at their son's penis

i took that as a great sign to penis extend, which works and gives permanent gains btw
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>>38029092
>No degree
>$35K in student loans

story plx
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>>38029026
Do it but wear a condom and dont tell her where you live? Are you a virgin? If so dont tell her.
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>>38027438
What kind of pain do you get when you drink? How much do you drink typically?
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>>38012368
I don't mean to sound harsh, but I can't believe screenshot is real. I hope it's not real...
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>>38007777
>>38007838
I would also take great pride in those dank quads..
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>>38030705
Was she fat? Would it be wrong to do the same thing if she was cool, but you just aren't attracted to her. I'm asking because I'm desperate to leave this place, but I don't know if I can do it either.
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>>38032122
>Was she fat?
Nope, she had a thin/slightly athletic build.

>Would it be wrong to do the same thing if she was cool, but you just aren't attracted to her.
I mean if she doesn't do it for ya, she doesn't do it for ya. The first time a girl asked me out (7 years ago), I turned her down because I wasn't attracted to her (though I probably would have been if not for her weight :/ )
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>>38009174
A fit neet loser who serves as a sexual slave for a fat suger momma
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>turning 27 soon
>still have aggressive acne breakouts

dude you'll just grow out of it lmao
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>>38023559
This sounds like the plot for an absurdist anime.
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>>38021052

Like Gary Cooper. What happened to the strong silent type ?
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>>38025776
Akido is good, I hear, but you might want to throw in some pankration.
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Damn, reading all of the posts with people 27 years old (my age) is crazy how we're all experiencing the exact same things. My life has been falling apart more and more in the last three years. But ever since I turned 27 I've been worried and panicking more and more that I'm going to join the "27 club" and end up killing myself or dying somehow from some crazy event. I mean so much death has been happened already this year along with my mom getting gunned down. And it frightens the hell out of me that I'm going to be next. The depression is laid on thick right now and I have no idea what direction to take in my life.

I barely have any work experience and only have my GED. I feel so fucked. I don't even get NEETbux or food stamps as well as a car or my license. I feel like maybe I'd be better off if I were dead.
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>>38033941
>mom getting gunned down
what the fuck...
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>>38011221
It's me again. Not feeling any better.

>go walk the dog
>walk back home, kinda lost in my own thoughts
>see my dad's car parked where it's always parked
>for a tiny tiny moment I thought dad had come home
>immediately realize it's not possible
>tfw

I wish I could just go to sleep and wake up to see this was all just a bad dream.
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>>38006858
Happy belated birthday, anon. What was your wish?
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>>38013608
I'm 28.

Two years ago I was in the tail-end of a four-year relationship with a neckbeard gf w/ huge tits that I thought I wanted to marry. We were terrible for each other, and I was wrapped around her finger utterly. She was my first girlfriend IRL outside of an internet girlfriend when I was a teenager. When it ended I was destroyed. I was also about 50-60 pounds overweight, I drank about a fifth of whiskey a day, did nothing but play video games, worked a shit job at a grocery store and had no social life.

After moving back in with my parents at 26 (a pretty low point) I quit drinking and started running every day, doing pushups, situps, the like. I also started applying to everything. I felt like I had hit rock bottom, and I wanted to hurt myself, but in a weird, out-of-body way. I ran harder and longer than I ever did, all the while basically taunting myself "you fat sack of shit. You loser. I hope you die of a heart attack right now." I was such a fucking loser and I wanted to torture myself, so I ran and worked out and ate celery and drank water. I also started volunteering to fill up all the hours I had (when you quit drinking, you need to replace that time with other things to stay busy or you'll fall back into it.)

I lost about 60 pounds in 9 months and got a new job at a nonprofit that was awesome. Currently I'm about to move across the country in another month to start graduate school at the 2nd best university in the country for my program, based largely on my recommendation letters and volunteer experience (I was like a 3.0 undergrad in liberal arts lul). I'm starting to lose my hair, but I am in shape and wear it short so it doesn't matter. My last girlfriend was 22, but I've also taken home 18 and 19 year olds, far prettier than any I would have ever expected myself capable of. I'm single now, but because I want to be to pursue my studies.

I'm happier now than I have ever been.
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>>38013608

>21
>graduated college with extreme morbid obesity, 450lbs

>26
>online date another morbidly obese scene girl
>both virgins, lost it together
>breaks up with me because suicidal

>27
>she loses 30lbs while I had gained 10
>find out she passed away
>dedicate myself to double her progress, lose 30lbs for her, and 30 for me to catch up--by the 1yr anniversary of her death

>29
I've lost 239lbs... Hit the 1yr goal for her and I just kept on going.
>no longer obese
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