What happens to society when all the low-skill jobs are phased out?

The workers find jobs elsewhere.

Oh just kidding they go on welfare for life.

>>37886754
beta uprising kicks into overdrive because all the betas go on welfare

>>37886754
I think everyone (in europe) will go on to a form of welfare, apart from it will actually pay similar to a mid/low end job. Working will be optional and having a job at all will make you a richfag.

In America where no one gives a shit about each other it could get pretty nasty with people living in shitholes scrapingh by though

>>37886754
Communist paradise where everyone just sits in their houses all day and collects welfare until the wallet runs dry and society collapses Venezuela style.

Good question in all seriousness though. I honestly don't know, how dose someone support themselves when all the jobs are gone?

Medieval-level class divides. Lots of poorfags who can't do anything to benefit society against a moderate amount of useful, intelligent thinkers.

>>37886840
who is going to be paying it? rich people? don't make me laugh.

but anyways we'll find out in about 5 years. they're already getting rid of warehouse workers and automating. the killing blow will be when self-driving trucks go into production

imagine like fucking 50 years from now when all the wage cucks are replaced by robots
god i cant wait

>>37886754
The owners of bots pay for universal basic income with taxes.

>>37886754
You go to college so you can get a piece of paper that says you can fix the machines that replaced you.

>>37887028
>universal basic income
>implying these corrupt ass (((companies))) paid billions for robots just to give away money to losers


what, you think these corporations have a moral obligation to humanity, too?

>>37887087
Who is going to buy the products they make if no one has money?

Low skill jobs? All surgery will be performed by robots within 50 years. Medicine as a field will be done by computers. Same with law and investment banking.

This isn't just burger bots we need to worry about.

>>37886754
Poor people everywhere. The rich convince them to vote against their welfare and people go along with it because poor education. We would see another plague. The rich sit back and watch us die off.

Not related to the thread but I fucking love the self-service kiosks at McDonald's. Every fast food joint should have them. Imagine being able to make your order as complicated as you want and the machine will always get it right and you don't have to do any stupid human interaction or try to communicate intelligently with a function retard at a cash register. The only thing we need now is robotic fry cooks so the order comes out as perfectly as it goes in.

>>37886754
Idiot genocide.

>>37887131
They won't need people to buy products anymore. They can just move towards a mini society with only the elites while purging the rest of the masses who are of no use anymore.

>>37886754
Riots, the next extinction event, a long overdue trimming of the fat.

>>37886754
Chaos and rioting.

>>37886754
They already have these types of kiosks in Japan. It's great. The waitress/waiter only come by for refills, and sometimes not even then if there is a water canister to do it yourself.

>>37887131
you think destitute niggers care that they are broke? nope. they buy a $700 iphone and BEATS and jordans

>>37886754
>What happens to society when all the low-skill jobs are phased out?

UBI happens. The Corporations will pay their fair share in taxes to the Govt who will take their fair share and redistribute the rest of the tax monies to the jobless masses as UBI who will then turn around and give their benefits to the corporations in exchange for goods and services. No actual profit will ever be made(which is good) and businesses will simply be competing for the patronage of the citizens and the collective pool of tax dollars available.

>>37887409
Breadlines when?

>>37886754
Extreme vetting of the population

>>37886998
Automated trucks arent happening any time soon lol

>>37887409
>actual profit will ever be made
Nope, the top companies that give Superior goods/services will rise to the top and the rest will just get smaller

>>37887409
>The Corporations will pay their fair share in taxes
friendly reminder that corporations hide TRILLIONS of untaxed dollars in offshore accounts rather than pay a single cent of GIBBS

>>37887482
10 years

>You have been muted for 4 seconds, because your comment was not original.

>>37887219
I genuinely cant wait for this to happen. No more with having to deal with shaniqas attitude when she gets my order wrong.
Fast food workers are human garbage and having a robot replace them will be great

Three options:

>Reddit future
Universal basic income lets us transition into some form of leisure society.

>Khan academy future
Everyone becomes an entrepreneur, has economic agency empowered by technology, society is illegible, pluralistic, full of positive-sum collaborations between small (possibly decentralized) teams. Shenzhen is kind of like this.

>Cyberpunk future
Over 90% of people are useless. The rich live in luxurious gated communities; e.g. sea steads, current big cities except a million times more gentrified, Chinese-built African metropolises, etc. If the proles try to rise up, they are gunned down instantly by fleets of murder drones.

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>>37886754
I can get a burger properly stacked for 15 dollars an hour?
No ragie wagie spitting in my food?
No more tipping?
They are probably just going to start ww3 to cull some people when they don't need so many. b-b-b-b-but we need immigrant to do the jobs we don't want.

>>37887525
More like 50.
Sorry but truck driving is to complicated for a machine to safely handle

>>37886754
Guess I go on welfare.

Assuming your government is generous about welfare, it would probably become a massive welfare state. That kind of society would go under very quickly, as there's nothing to incentivize anyone entering the work force to begin with. It might also be prone to some very nasty corruption, depending on just how large the government is. See communist states for reference.

I would also predict a very noticeable increase in violent crime. Poverty has a number of social implications: Shitty quality of education, shitty backward culture that enforces negative stereotypes, lack of opportunities for people to improve their circumstances in any way, lack of concern from government sectors that will probably never make any effort to improve infrastructure or services in such cities, etc.

IMO, welfare doesn't help anyone, least of all does it alleviate the need for itself. Governments should try to improve infrastructure and bring jobs to cities that are below the poverty line so that people have real opportunities to do something with their lives. You can't do that when you're forced to attend shitty inner city schools staffed by backwoods hicks who don't give a shit about your education, and the only jobs in your area are shoveling fast food or picking up garbage. You might make enough money to subsist in your shitty circumstances until you die, but you can forget saving up the funds to move to a better city, let alone attend college.

>>37887593
Of course those 3 paths assume we avoided nuclear war, Western Islamic dark age, global warming, drug-resistant super plagues, or whatever.

>>37887651
Thats only if the govt is kind enough to let you.
They would rather let you starve to death before agreeing to universal basic income

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>>37887647
>truck driving is too complicated for a machine too handle

>>37886754
Maybe get all farming and food production jobs phased out, nearly every necessary job, actually virtually every job to the point we live in a society where no one works but probably has mild depression do to boredom and no sense of purpose or accomplishment

But that's not happening and it'll lead to riots and government collapse

>>37887740
if computers become that smart doesn't it mean they'll stop working for us?

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>>37887657
are you saying we need to stop technological advancement to keep jobs?

>>37887755
Only if they develop consciousness

>>37887710
You really expect some to be able to program a machine that can safely and accurately maneuver through traffic and crowded cities in five years?
Youre like those people that kept saying we would all have pwrsonal robot servants on 2001 when in reality the most advanced robot cant even walk or make complex decisions.
Its not happening in five years. Not even ten years. Well all be dead before tech is that advanced

>>37887670
Both are coming. We'll be devoured by the islamic hordes until the megacorps- who see active threat- will simply buy out whatever is left of the military and proceed to nuke us all back to the stone age

>>37887755
It's possible, but then we can bow down to suck the dicks of our computerized overlords

>>37887779
It already happened dude

>>37887779
Google cars already drive safer than humans.

>>37887779
the tesla semi is coming out in a few years, anon

dumb and ugly people get phased out.

>>37886754
Universal basic income or revolution where we kill the rich.

>>37887825
No, it hasn't and it probably will never come to be. Like flying cars.

>>37886754
People said the same thing about the steam engine during industrialization, didn't they?

>>37887844
Sure it will little guy

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>>37887871
There are flying cars though

im scared of the future, its either gonna be a paradise with universal basic income or shit with everybody living in holes except for the top 1%

Company I work for just bought a bunch of robots, replaced about 30 people. Problem is that no one wants to hire anymore than they have to not only because of profits (because labor is sometimes cheaper than automation), but because of all the laws and regulations now. Workmans Comp, OSHA, discrimination, blah blah blah give me a fucking robot. On top of that people are lazier than ever and it's hard just getting low level workers to show up.

>>37887991
1% of 10 billion is like 100 million, are you telling me you can't reach that

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>>37886754
We invent other problems to keep ourself depressed because we live like plants all day everyday.
tfw No sex android because i spent all my humanbux on vidya

>>37887920
So
The point is no one is using them retard.

Real talk, if you got a UBI of say $1600 a month(I think that's the amount Finland is giving), would you still work? I still would, it's not that much plus working sorta clears my head's of crazy thoughts

it literally won't happen, fuck off.

if you are not a machinist or an engineer you shouldn't express your opinion

>>37887779
I work in the automotive industry. Level 5 is about five years out for consumer vehicles, but no one wants level 5 more than the trucking industry because of the whole fatigue issue. They'll be able to run trucks 24/7.

>>37888070
I would still try to find work, because there's no way you can make a decent living off that alone.
But thats only If my govt passes UBI instead of killing half the population off or something.

>>37888060
The point was technology is further than you think. Automated cars aren't far off.

>>37888098
You're in Finland? How's the roll out going?

>>37887893
It's not really comparable. Industrialisation shifted the focus of labour from the primary sector to manufacturing. The process created plentiful low-skill jobs. And subsequently, the decline of manufacturing shifted it to the service sector, again generating plentiful low-skill jobs. The question is where the labour will go when the service sector is automated. We will need a quarternary sector, but no one knows what these jobs will be. If no one is farming or mining, no one is working in factories and no one is working in service, where will the low-skill jobs come from?

>>37888095
Im a comp sci major and i don't think it will get that bad.
Making a machine that can do complex tasks human beings consider easy is a pipe dream. But you can bet your sweet boipussy that it will effect mcjobs.

>>37888174
What are we going to do with all the uneducated niggers and white trash?

>>37887290
>McDonalds in Japan has waiters

interesting...

>tfw used to go to a good supermarket
>tfw they got rid of their workers and put up self service machines
>tfw they went out of business

It was kind of a sad day when they introduced those machines, the irony lies in that sometimes the workers can be worse, sometimes it's cute girls though

>>37888212

McDonald's is pretty upscale everywhere but the US and Africa

>>37888140
My point is that it doesnt matter if its been made.
There is no way it can be applied practically in society which makes it useless.
Automated trucks are to much of a hazard and the amount of programming it would require is immense to compensate for nothing to go wrong.
Same with flying cars. A bill was actually passed making it illegal to operate them in public so morons and jihadists wont use them to hit buildings.
You know nothing

>>37888098
>there's no way you can make a decent living off that alone

I could live quite comfortably on $1600 a month.

>>37887902
how could this even happen. Why doesn't the hotel buy the favella land and make it more presentable? They must market their condos/rooms to sociopaths because I would not be able to live with myself living in a tower like that and looking out and seeing such squaller.

>>37887087
>what, you think these corporations have a moral obligation to humanity, too?
Not a moral obligation but they have a legal obligation to pay taxes. Then the State redistributes it to citizens by the UBI.

Nobody is using my favorite word. Revolution. We have become so cucked as a people that we fail to realize there is more of us than there is them. What good is class warfare if only one side is fighting? The people doing that to us are no different from us. You can call them "smarter" because they have been hoarding resources since the time before we were born. But I know as well as you know that they are just as vulnerable to bullets as we are. They are human beings that get sick, bleed, and fucking die like we do. Their lives of constant leisure make them vulnerable. You could probably catch tons of those motherfuckers in one place and take them all out. I don't think this is what you guys are envisioning when you talk about "trimming the fat" but it's sure as fuck a possibility you shouldn't discount. I'm not a communist but I would gladly join a communist revolt. They have the right idea about what to do with these greedy fucking parasites.

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>>37886754
I hope this comes to my area soon. I'd eat at McDonalds if I didn't have to talk to anyone.

>>37888174
it won't affect shit.
you have a machine? good. now instead of nigga that make fries you have technician that will overseer the machine in real time. instead of nigga that take orders you have someone to take returns.
you still have to restock etc.. you don't really thought this through.

it will just make more people work around the machine, full automation is impossible.

>>37888290
People are too stupid and complacent and the elite knows it.
As long as they keep us satisfied and somewhat happy, we will not revolt.
They pass all kinds of laws in private that fuck us over but no one does anything about it

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>>37888290
>tfw richbot that realizes everyone wants to kill because just because I got lucky selling some stupid idea when I was young

>implying ubi is possible

LOLNO. What will actually happen is that the private prison industry will work with the government to make unemployment illegal or some other stupid shit. Then you'll go to jail where you can work for 20 cents an hour AND get raped by chad!

>BUT WE'LL RISE UP AND KILL THE RICH
By the time automation replaces everybody the rich will have automated soldier drones to kill you.

>>37888258

Yeah but in poverty, I'd rather work PT and supplement that ubi.

>>37888325
The thing is instead f 15 niggers working you have 1 or 2 robots, and 3 technicians maybe.
Thats a lot of positions out the window.

>>37888257
>Automated trucks are to much of a hazard and the amount of programming it would require is immense to compensate for nothing to go wrong

There are literally b already trucks out there with no drivers

>>37887647
>More like 50.
it's 10. same for sex robots.

>>37888373
This. And they are all the savages that will cause problems for society.

>>37888331
Pretty much this. Worst comes to worst the goverment will kick the moral ladder another few notches down and let us soak up all the cheap thrills we want. We're infinity closer to a world where hardcore porn is the afternoon tv and bloodsports are a thing again then we are to glorious revolution.

>>37887779
truck drivers are going to be one of the first jobs to go to machines, after warehouses and retail/service.

>>37888373
you have 1-2 people in the kitchen. 1 manager and 2 people that take orders. that's not alot.

what kind of mcdick employs 15 people? most of the food is frozen anyway, they don't make anything fresh.
just imagine you have a machine, and how many people will have to clean fix and restock it

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>>37886754

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Shut up

>>37888272
could be gentrification.

>>37886754
It won't make much difference in the US where everywhere is over-staffed because people work for tips and stuff. If there was any interest in reducing numbers anywhere it would have happened thirty years ago.

A US hotel of the same size has more people just to carry bags than a European hotel employs in total.

Paying people to do nothing vs. paying people nothing to do something.

>>37888325
For real. Fast food subhuman here, running the cashier is just one aspect of the job. Still need to clean, deal with customer complaints, run the drive through, and make the food. Still need a manager for that. Still need a store for that, and a lobby too. Not like I care though desu. I actually hope we get the kiosks, so much easier

>>37888464

Not really that's pretty much standard for high inequality countries. Brazil, Philippines, China, India, have million dollar homes literally next to shanty towns

>>37888174
>a pipe dream
they'll make an AI smarter than a human by 2045. this tech is advancing an obscene amount every day

>>37888257
>Automated trucks are to much of a hazard and the amount of programming it would require is immense to compensate for nothing to go wrong.
as opposed to the amount of idiot truckers that crash and do drugs while driving? fact: car accidents are 90% human error

>>37886754
the utopian socialist dream comes to life
the general population will have a minimum guaranteed income given by what's going to be the equivalent of the government
the working class would get slightly more
the ruling class will get the most tho

>>37888433
Those people dont stay at the store all fucking day.
Do you know what shifts are?
You have 5-8 people working during the morning. another 5 in the day and then the same for night

>>37888515
exactly. people should stop talking about things they don't know about.

if you make trucks automated. you still have to account things like deers or people running up on you when you are driving full speed on a highway. what about robbers? crazy drivers? what about roadblocks? what if the gps gets broke and you need a map?

>>37888397
No there aren't you literal retard

>>37888595
so instead of burger flippers you will have technicians on full watch.
also what if the machine goes apeshit and starts to spit out granola and cream? that's hundreds of dollars lost on the spot

>>37888547
No they wont.
Well never make AI that intelligent. Stop playing so many video games and read damn book on actual artificial intelligence.

>>37888515
>running the cashier is just one aspect of the job.
and a kiosk can do that easily.
>Still need to clean
True, robots can do that too though.
>deal with customer complaints
won't be any when they don't have to deal with you subhumans, but for general problems they can call a hotline which will be in a call center - probably in india :^)
>run the drive through
kiosks can be outside
>and make the food.
machines can do that easily.

my god you are stupid, no wonder you are going to get replaced by a robot.

>>37888665
You will have technicians on rotating shifts. The entire store will be manned by a few of them at a time. No one is going to stay at the store all day waiting for something to break you moron.

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Why haven't starbucks employees been replaced by machines already? My boss has this fancy coffee machine in his kitchen and it does all that shit automatically. You just need to add milk and coffee beans.

>>37887779
You're absolutely right. I'm laughing at all the 12 year olds responding to you. Kids these days envision total autonomy in a couple dozen years. I can't even entertain the idea.

Trucks carrying expensive or flammable cargo will not go without a driver onboard.

>>37888614

They are literally b testing it right now you retard

>>37888665
Costs less than having employees that are always looking to sue you. And the machines will probably make less mistakes. They certainly do driving cars!

>>37888721
Old anon here. It will probably be a combination with the trucking. Certainly on the highways it will be on autopilot. 35,000 automotive deaths per year, even if the computers go haywire now again we're still well ahead of that.

>>37888614
>he hasn't read about the Budweiser delivery.
do you even watch the news?

>>37888708
if we are talking a about a machine (or several) that can make 30 different food items then you sure as hell need someone to overseer it. this isn't a coffee dispenser.

>>37888070
That is way more money than I make working. Fuck off, Finland.

>>37888772
Factory I work in is nearly completely automated and literally makes aircraft parts. Making some hamburger won't be too difficult.

>>37888730
Thats not at all what you said you stupid fuck.
Stop moving goal posts and just admit you have no idea what you are talking about.

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>mfw the wendy's chefs and """"drivers"""" in denial their jobs are about to be replaced by machines

>>37888780
but you factory have engineers in it. you really think mcdicks is gonna hire an engineer instead of 3-5 retards?
we are talking about a 1000 part machine potentially

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>>37888716

That's the idea, machines don't get angry or upset, they don't fuck up, and there measures are on point

I wish i was a fuckin cyborg instead of sub -human scum

>>37888793

There.are.literally.automated.trucks.on.the.road.right.now

>>37888772
The robots in charge of handling orders and making the food wont be fragile.
They will probably go years without breaking.
The technicians at the store will handle repairs,problems with orders and mopping the floors.

>>37888851
You know nothing you retarded child

What if we have machines to make everything and do everything for us and then machines to fix the machines that get broken and then machines to design better machines?
Where do the jobs go then?

>>37888811
The machines replaced over 60 operators. Hiring a few more engineers was all it took. Remember all those people are liabilities too. It's harder to fire people, harder to get them to show up, and everyone wants to make bullshit workmans comp claims. Not machines.

We're also completely lights off operationally. The machines run 24/7, even when everyone is at home sleeping and the office is empty. No third shift. The machines do their own diagnostics and any issues they either try to fix themselves (broken tooling, etc) or stop themselves and wait for the morning to get fixed.

McDonalds would just have some servicemen in the area for a district, not at each location. When our machines have a problem we get emails in the night, and so when I get in I can address them immediately.

>>37888909
its perfectly reasonable to build machines to make aero parts and cars. but to make burgers it doesn't. a plane cost a few millions and can easily cover the expenses. while mcdicks burger machine barely makes 500$ a day

>>37888070
Absolutely because it's more than I make working.

>>37888949
I don't know McDonalds location profits, but, they couldn't keep their doors open at $500/day. They make more than that. Much more.

And the machines to make McDonalds orders would be significantly cheaper than what I'm working with.

With regard to automotive and aeronautical parts, both are high competitive. Hence why they have been early adopters of automation.

>>37888233
Eh I wouldn't call it upscale. They have some fancier things. Like the mccafe concept I saw in the Philippines was pretty cool. But it's the same shitty food all around the world with a few minor variations.

>>37888369
PT work can barely finance my ass living in a trailer park. I own the damned trailer too. I have bills on top of bills I have to pay and it eats massively into my income. Sure I make more than the measly $740 I was scraping by with on SSI but taxes are eating into my paychecks. Almost $90 each week. I don't even mind paying taxes but you would have to be stupid as fuck to not be upset about the fact that richfags pay much lower rates.

I'm sure it will regress pretty quickly once all the whites die out.

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>>37889140
whites are the only people who haven't increased significantly in IQ in the past 30 years

>>37889195
Shows how much whites are helping the lower races.

>>37889260
that's good. Lets hope they keep doing it and don't start world war 3

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>>37886754
Eventually we'll end up with a bunch of made up jobs to fill the gap (and it's already starting). The government will assign you absurd tasks like digging a huge hole in the ground in the morning and then filling it in the evening again. Rinse and repeat for the rest of your life. Anyone who doesn't work hard enough to dig and fill the holes will be shamed. Anyone who goes on welfare will be shamed for not contributing to society by digging and filling holes.

If you want to get a real job, not only do you need to be intelligent and hard working with all of the extremely specialised skills and qualifications to back it up. You need to go through the increasingly bizarre interview process where they insult you to your face just to see how you react and perform various other psychological experiments on you. The corporations hold all the power here and there are several thousand eligible applicants, all with the same level of education and skill, so they can basically do whatever they want to you. In some particularly large companies (like Microsoft or Google), not only will you have to go through the humiliating interview ordeal, but you will also have to fight your fellow applicants to the death in the final stages of the hiring process. This will be broadcast live on PPV every Saturday night and will be purchased mainly by disillusioned hole diggers to make them feel alive again after a long week of meaningless Sisyphian toiling.

Do a Google search for Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars. Read the whole thing.

>>37889451
>The government will assign you absurd tasks like digging a huge hole in the ground in the morning and then filling it in the evening again. Rinse and repeat for the rest of your life. Anyone who doesn't work hard enough to dig and fill the holes will be shamed.
this scares me

wasted effort

>>37886754
The low skill people starve and go extinct. As nature intended.

>>37889913
Not without putting bullets in the high skilled people. Those bullets came from the guns they sold them. As capitalism intended.

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>>37889938
Well, one of the best paid and skilled jobs will be military drone command officer. But don't worry about it, there will probably be some form of universal welfare (in the form of foodstamps and such, not money) because pretty much nothing the average person needs would cost anything.

>>37890060
Drones can't kill everyone fighting back. It will be a never ending war brought on by their own greed and stupidity. Look at Syria. Imagine that in your neighborhood. That's capitalism's end game.

>>37887525
right so what will your automated trucks do when they have to dodge refugees at calais?

What do your automated trucks do when rain starts freezing on the roads?

its a pipedream, we don't even have automated trains yet

>>37889938
>guns
>winning wars
I just love how the gommies are still in a 19th century mindset. There will be no revolutionary wars. Not when the system knows everything about you, can predict your tendencies to be a threat, snoop on your conversations and drone your ass. There will be no revolutionary triumphs when a rare rebellious town gets cut off the outside world by drones patrolling the air, its food supply blocked and water diverted.

You already live in a highly technological civilization, your survival depends on a million things that you don't even understand (but the evil class of rich people do). You have absolutely no say in any of this, faggot.

>>37886840
>I think everyone (in europe) will go on to a form of welfare
god damn thats fucking gross

these people will breed like flies

>>37886754

Fast food jobs might be easier if cashier and drive through was automated and the technology in the kitchen was updated so that every item that shows up is easier to comprehend.

>>37890183
Those people still bleed like I do and they can die. They are not gods no matter how much cucks like you fetishize them. They can't even make their own food without serving them so get that stupid fucking fantasy of them somehow being better out of your ignorant brain. When the shit goes down we'll see who really has what it takes to survive. I'll hedge my bets but my gut tells me to pick the people who have survived on so little for so long to adapt and continue. When society collapses the concept of property will too. A billion dollar will be worth as much as Iraqi dinar.

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>>37888140
>The point was technology is further than you think. Automated cars aren't far off.
>IZ MADE SO IT MUS USE
autism

>>37888070

Yes. $1600 is barely enough to pay for living a 3 bedroom home, utilities, insurance, gas and groceries. You would still need to work if you want to do more than just exist. If you're not materilistic you will still need to work to pay for maintenance (something n house breaks, car break down, you break down, etc)

>>37890127
>Look at Syria
Ok
>"""grass roots revolution""" with massive backing from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the CIA
>gets successfully checked by a government that actually uses the rebels' twitter, jewbook and other social media to help track their movements
>massive influx of foreign funding, arms and fighters
>repeated attempts at direct foreign intervention
>Assad still in charge
Horrible example. Note how Assad has a ragtag militia army running 60's and 70's Soviet gear. Not a massive force of autonomous drones of the sort we'll be seeing in yhe near future.

Listen, nigger, if you live in a moderately large city in most of the world, here are the things that keep you alive:
>constant pressurized, clean drinking water supply from stations often 10km away or more
>hundreds, if not thousands, of refrigerated shipping containers full of food and other supplies moving in on the highways and rail every day
>running water sewage collection and drainage infrastructure that prevents build-up of shit and routine cholera&typhus epidemics
>electricity to run that all and more from the grid, a vast, interlocked and centrally managed AC circuit.

Remove those; use mass-produced autonomous drones to COMPLETELY block entry and exit from the urban area - this is only a problem if you actually sort people, when you shoot everyone and everything that moves the job becomes much easier; Seed rainclouds in the surrounding areas to stop rainfall on the city (if even needed). Boom. Your revolution is dead in the water. Give it a month. Less, generally, because of the drinking water.

Then we rise. Communism is inevitable. Anyone with a fucking brain can see that. The only question is whether we as a society are smart enough to make the transition peacefully or if regressive right-wingers literally make us fight a civil war to progress as a civilization.

As much as I'd LOVE to put some 7.62 rounds through some red MAGA caps, I think it would be better if we win without firing a shot.

>>37890394
I live in rural America anon. If this shit happens I'll be pretty fucked for different reasons (I'm disabled) but if you don't think poor people have guns and are surrounded by resources they could take control of you're really not thinking. If there's a collapse do you think the infrastructure that supports the military itself would remain in tact? It doesn't matter that they have the best tech ever if they can't secure their supply routes and their communications/power is cut. All that shit is so fragile it wouldn't even take a war for it to all collapse. We're just one solar flare away from it all going to shit.

>>37889541
Very scary stuff.
Also makes me angry because theres prettyuch nothing we can do about it

>>37886754

the machine only takes your god damn order, staff is still need to make the burger/work the restaurant

>>37886840
People ask why it won't work in America. They don't realize that America is nothing like Sweden or Germany. We're far more like the unholy lovechild of Brazil and Yugoslavia: negative amounts of social cohesion and more poverty anybody is willing to admit. Even if we took all the money from every banker, lawyer, stockbroker, and executive and spread it around there still wouldn't be enough.

we have to become the machines in order to compete with them

>>37890529
This isn't talking about a collapse in the current political climate. This is talking about attempted revolution in an automated society. Which is nearly impossible. Revolutions can't start in rural areas, by the way. Population density too low.
>military on the side of the people
Not when the military consists of a bunch of engineers and programmers who are part of the employed elite, and an assload of robots.

But as I said, most likely there will be no need to actually use any of this often, because most people will get universal basic income to keep them content. Your living standard under a fully automated society is likely to be much HIGHER than it is as a wagecuck.

society will need to stop punishing people for existing in a time of history where there's less work that needs done

>>37890812
>society will need to stop punishing people for existing
m8 wtf are you talking about
the government PAYS for niggers to have children

>>37890382
>thinking in terms of money
Money is largely redundant when there is not a single human worker in the chain between the cow grazing the grass and the burger the drone delivers in your doorway. The way this will likely work is a pseudocurrency, like foodstamps. Produced and destroyed in lifecycles corresponding to how you consume it by a central distribution network. Money will remain, but for the employed - and real prices of damn near everything will likely be extremely cheap.

Basically, things that are produced and consumed will cost nothing, while things that are unique and coveted (like property) will be extortionately expensive and practically inaccessible to the unemployed. But what the fuck do you need a house for if the city towers offer most of the same for free?

>>37886754
Eugenics.

The only solution is fewer humans, and all of them of the highest quality.

In a highly automated society there is no room for the current day average and sub average human.

>>37890866
Leftards are retarded. In fact, when automation comes around might be the time to thin the ranks of the underclass a bit by some eugenics. No need to keep the 60iq niggers and abbos around. Only allow UBI recipents to reproduce if they meet certain criteria (in which case encourage it). No need to kill them, they can still happily live out their lives playing vidya, sportstball with friends, touring the world or whatver, just ensure they don't make kids so that the total carrying capacity of the system is not weighed down by literally (go watch some Isaac Arthur) trillions of retards.

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I cant wait for the revolution where poorfags like myself storm buildings and smash robots to pieces for taking our jobs

>>37890548
There is though. You need to really think hard about how to live your life in a way that makes it averse to these things. Most obvious one is the realization that credit is slavery. Don't get a fucking mortgage. Don't get a car on credit. Don't rack up credit card debt. It means you're living your life on hard mode but when they do what they're talking about, shocking the system, you won't be hurting nearly as much. They'll let you live beyond your means for a little while, give you some nice things and let you think they are yours, then they'll pull the fucking rug out right from under your feet. Look at the housing crisis and the last recession. It was sad but those people got what they fucking deserved.

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>>37891012
>by literally (go watch some Isaac Arthur) trillions of retards.
>imagine some 15 billion niggers with INFIINTE FREE TIME
oh fuck please start eugenics now

we dont even have to be mean to then, just mandate one child per each double digit iq retard. and start selecting genes of everyone else until the average IQ is 125 or so

>>37889321
uhm no sweetie only jews start world wars so that they may profit from everyone else destruction

>>37891117
This is needed, but the West will never be cold enough to do it, so we best hope China's army of posthuman mutants will want white people as pets.

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>>37891052


Typical marginalized poor fags, destroying what they can't have, destroying ironically what they can't understand

You destroy progress and expect a hand out ? You backwards nigg nog's

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>>37891494
>tfw no dominant post human waifu to treat you as a plaything

>>37886885
>until the wallet runs dry
It never will. That's the point.

>>37887249
How can they be elites if nobody buys their product? Think, you retard.

>>37891542
Progress should've noted the ticking timebomb of the population increases. Especially since the working and middle classes aren't even reproducing at a replacement level. Automation would just be an organic and easy transition if coupled with a declining population but the negroes are not taking part.

>>37888290

Honestly I'm unemployed and have been skipping meals to save money, I'm slowly losing weight. Can't get a job, keep getting rejected for everything. I would love to kill these fucking rich people. I may be /pol/ but my god I hate rich normies even more than niggers and muslims and kikes at this point. If antifa started slaughtering the rich people I would join them.

>>37886754
people starve because jobless. crime rate goes up, population goes down.

>>37887902
They can just throw their shit over to the other side to piss off the rich

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>>37886754
>mfw the McDonalds automated kiosks in my city are manned by personnel who help out the customer because they have no idea how to operate a simple menu on a screen
I swear I ordered a burger from there and there was this lady with the mac shirt that insisted on walking me through it like I was a baby

t. Pizza pasta land

>>37891117
You can push IQ fairly high by simply not letting the dumbfags reproduce. Look at ashkenazi jews - they are heavily inbred and come from an area of slightly lower average iqs than europe, but centuries of fairly brutal selection have left them with a full standard deviation above the European mean. The only other group that could compete was probably the old blood Euro aristocracy.
>>37891494
You don't need to be "cold". Fucking Sweden of all places did this for ages, under a socialist government no less.

>>37892516
You're not /pol/, you're /leftypol/. /pol/ would realize that automation will solve your problems, not exacerbate them. A flood of niggers will excacerbate your problem. Automation = wealth, not poverty.

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>>37886754
>only problem in the future will be energy, everything is automated
>scientists figure out a way to create energy via excercise bike
>millions of people standing on a bike watching bad tv powered by said bike
>the more you pedal, the more points you have
>buy food and all you need via points earned by using the excercise bike
>if you want more you have to bet your points on a talent
>that talent being anything you can show off at a talent show
>the world is ruled by a talent show
>either that or sit in your room/bike watching bad tv for all of eternity
>mfw

>>37893764
>figure out a way to create energy via excercise bike
Are you a nigger? Serious question

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>>37894004
I was simply referencing a TV show that did dystopian future society, relax

>>37893764
>>37894037
I feel like a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT would be a much more efficient method of producing power.

>>37891542
>letting people breed like rabbits to have infinite cheap labor through surplus of people
It's the elite's fault. They literally made a slave class and now they're telling them "uh ok we're done with you just go in the corner and die".

They deserve everything that's coming to them.

>>37886754
Automation is good. Fewer jobs for low skill shitskins.

Wouldn't it just replace the position of cashier? No one exclusively works as cashier. Everyone is either during food prep, grill, fryer, drive thru, restocking, or cleaning until a customer shows up at the front counter. It would probably make it easier for workers since they no longer have to stop what they're doing, go to customer to take order, then go in back to wash hands for 20-60 seconds, and make the order.

So much needs to be done in the time it takes for an employee to properly wash their hands.

>>37886754
Hopefully the people who work those jobs kill themselves and society is better for it

>>37886840
who the fuck will pay for the welfare

>>37887779
>le reddit self-driving car meme

Everyone always forgets about one glaring issue: LIABILITY. When Truckerfag skids out on black ice and plows into a bus of nuns, he was clearly at fault, and the trucking company pays no money unless they were negligent in maintenance/forcing truckerfag to work longass hours etc. When a googl/tesla soft contours truck does the same, do you think lawyers aren't going to assemble a dream team to go after the billion dollar company that developed the autopilot system?

People always assume it will be the low paid, "low skill" jobs to go first, but those "low skills", i.e. interfacing an AI with a physical environment, are the hardest to implement. The real jobs in danger are the office drones, if your job involves typing on a computer, guess what, it's a lot easier to interface an AI with a computer than it is with a steering wheel and pedals.

>>37886754
>Low skill job
I don't even know what counts as a low skilled job anymore

>>37886754
>implying any jobs that CAN be automated SHOULDN'T be automated
it's the next step in the evolution of civilization
the same with how people think being a manufacturing country is the best thing ever but it's not
RnD is the next step after manufacturing.
you create a country where the lowest class are the people that are still creating and inventing new things and that's how we move forward as a race

but you just want a bigger slice of pie so fuck the good of the future

>>37894580
They're working on automatons that make burgers. I'm not kidding they're already testing it out in one location.

>>37895178

Still doesn't mean people will be out of a job. Restaurant could always use more hands to deal with cleaning, restocking, and food prep. People can be trained to fix these machines.

>>37886754
Eugenics, but through starving out all the dumb people that cant go to college like us

>>37895226
The same people can't. McDonalds isn't going to put burger flippers through college so they might maybe in 5 years be able to fix one of the machines that put them out of a job, nor can those laid off workers afford to pay for it themselves.

Nor are they going to go all Communist Russia and have 3 people to pick up a box of napkins, they're just going to be fired.

>>37895226
Anon you're really silly. Automation gets rid of the need for humans progressively.

t1 you have 10 secretaries with pen & paper
t2 you have 5 secretaries with typing machines
t3 you have 1 secretary with a computer
t4 you don't need a secretary because you have an ultrabook, are subscribed to various services that help you manage everything yourself, have a smartphone, a smart watch, a smart car, etc.

In regard to fast foods, I've seen the evolution. At mcdonald's when I was a kid you had like 5 to 10 cashiers usually. Now you have 5 to 12 automatons and 2 cashiers and one polyvalent agent that sometimes bring their plates to customers and goes clean the bathroom and such. The number of cooks didn't change. If they get rid of the need for cooks, you'll effectively only need 3 people to run a mcdonald's location, not counting the manager and eventually a security agent.

You're delusional my dude. "b-b-b-but we'll create more jobs!!! we'll all be artists and entertainers and in the service industry!! we'll all be uber drivers!!!".

Get real. What will happen is that most people will be poor and suffer as our social security system breaks down because of massive immigration and corrupt politicians literally emptying state funds because they're all sucking the cocks of banksters.

Most people will be struggling. We're going to pay for the boomers' lifestyles. Nothing is free, someone always has to pay.

>>37888896
He is right though. Or do you honestly think the autonomous cars currently driving your roads are a conspiracy?

>>37894518
You think they didn't plan for it?
This is why they churn out video games and porn.
Poor people will continue to fight and steal from each other for their vices.
Nothing is going to happen to the elite.

>>37886754
AI is actually replacing high skill jobs google has already made an AI that can program better than their best programmers. This will actually go faster because there is no need for new infrastructure just copying some software on computers that are already there.

You automation autists are fucking deluded. I can't wait for jobs to be just as unautomated as they are today in 20 years and laugh at you retards. You fags are the new "flying cars in 10 years".

>>37886754
It's already happening, uneducated hordes of left wing thugs and alt righters are getting increasingly violent toward each other, while jewstein runs off with his bags of money

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>>37886754

Have you read the world set free by HG Welles?

it will go down one of two ways
>1. All of the wealth generated by atoamting all low skill jobs will make eternal neets by trickling down ad providing for everybody until the end of time

>2. With no jobs, all wealth or money is concentrated in the top 0.5 percent of the world, and people will kill and eat each other to survive

>>37895452
t. basement dwelling turboneet
In the real world outside of your bubble, it's happening slowly but surely. What won't happen is universal basic income. What will happen is massive unemployment and poverty, especially because of immigration and because people are stupid fucks that won't stop breeding even when they can't fucking feed themselves. No one will be laughing in 20 years except the elite.

>>37895433
>google has already made an AI that can program better than their best programmers
I think it's amazing how far this clickbait headline has spread among normies, one of the secretaries brought it up today and was predicting that we wouldn't be writing code anymore within 5 years (we're a software development company).

These so-called AI have existed for years in the form of code inspector plugins for IDEs, the only advancement is making them go through with the suggestion on their own instead of having a person press a button.

>>37887131

Do you think they care?

The rich don't care about what happens after they drain all of the oceans as long as they can keep the water.

>>37887131
Asians. The west will become a wasteland, the elite will relocate to singapore and hong-kong

>>37895564
Sorry bud, but if you actually went out into the real world you would know it's not happening. For example I have never seen one of the mcdonalds machines in the OP in my life at any restaurant and I bet you haven't either. Warehouse jobs still use human labor and they will continue to.

>>37888289
Amazon has never paid federal taxes. They've declared a "loss" ever year, yet keep getting bigger and increasing their market cap while putting thousands of small businesses into bankruptcy.

>>37887779

It's already happening.

Automated cars don't have to be perfect, just better than us. And boy oh boy, we are shitty drivers.

The question isn't if we can do it, because we already can. The real question is, how long until it's much more feasible cost-wise to use robots rather than real people? And at this rate, it's coming up very, very fast.

>>37895726
>because we already can
Bullshit, buddy. The "automated cars" that exist today become oversized paper weights as soon as it's not sunny. They're not happening. Get over it.

>>37895677
I live in Paris and they're in every Mcdonald's (and burger king) here. Come see for yourself. The mcdonald's closest to where I live has like 12 of them. (more in fact as they're back to back in the middle of the restaurant).

Sure, if you live in a 3rd world country you might not see those for a while.

>warehouse
You've never seen modern warehouses. I visited a pharmaceutical lab 10+ years ago and all picking and transport was automated.

I'm sorry bud but if you've never seen any of those things it's not because they're not there it's because you live far in the countryside in the middle of nowhere or in a developing country.

>Just graduated
>Landed a job as an automation engineer
>My job is to get rid of useless nigger jobs

It's good to be white

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>>37895677

Thats because illegal immigrant labor is still cheaper than a wonderbot9000, and as an added bonus, you dont have as much oversight in your industry

People would rather get the product and not worry about the suffering caused by the production of it, and don't really care about the people who are 3 days away form being neets who work for minimum wage

all of these companies are trying to make robots that can do people jobs without having to pay minimum wave or need HR problems that can cost millions. They literally want to get rid of humanity for the sake of profit, but say its all about making the world a better place

>>37886754
Basic Income.
Poor will still be poor, middle will be middle, rich will be rich.

Just no one ,barring mental issues, will be homeless/starving.

Even with BI I think normies are too vapid to not strive to have "Better" things than their peers.

Though I think creative jobs will see a boom, more novels, art, and music.

>>37895803
>automation engineer
Is that the "barista" version of "programmer"?

>>37886754
I don't know if that's really going to happen. There's actually a resurfacing of low efficiency production like for food and clothing. Look at companies like Lush where 12 gay dudes make soap in an old renovated box factory. Honestly more people will probably end up in high skill jobs but low skill jobs will stick around and pay more because they will provide higher quality products to high skill people.

I mean if you earn 100 grand a year you probably don't eat American cheese singles and drink fish eye wine.

>>37895949
You're delusional. No, the elite will not pay useless eaters to just survive and breed.

>>37896032
Then our opinions differ.

But if automation reaches a point where it has no consumers left to sustain the economy the current economic model will not work.

Obviously low-skill jobs like manufacturing and fast food are a fraction of the US workforce so the idea won't work anytime soon.

>>37896108
Once the elites have machines that take care of their every need and a million square miles of the planet each, what need will they have for an economy?

>>37896009

>Look at companies like Lush where 12 gay dudes make soap in an old renovated box factory.

output capacity of a human in terms of meals produced - 30/hour

output capacity of robot in terms of meals produced - 100/hour

based on this estimate, one robot could do the same work as 3 people, and if we estimate the robot costs $100k, it woudl take 13333 hours at 7.50 an hour to recoup the money spent. In the same time, it would cost 300000 dollars to pay workers who would have varying levels of efficiency 20-40 meals per hour each, so in about two years of continuous operation ,it is cheaper to have a robot than a person, also the robot does not need to sleep, so maximum profit per location

>>37896132
Are the frogs turning gay in your area?

>>37896108
I'm sure Soros, the Rockefeller and Rothschild families give a fuck about your opinion. You should tell them your opinon and maybe they'll throw a few thousand dollars in your face for being a funny guy that tells the funniest jokes.

>>37896009

hipster old school production methods are a fad and meant to make money, why pay for 10$/bar of soap when i can pay 2 for indstrial soap. If local production methods supported small communities, like local farms and local clothing manufacturers, than it would be better to have those local businesses, but i na globalized economy, you can spend 10$ per bar on your gay man soap if thats what makes you feel like you are keeping the jobs human. And any real industrial human jobs for consumables that are not just fads are done by 12 year olds who work 30 hour shifts for 20 cents an hour. theres a reason your i phone cost 500$ and not $3000

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>>37896222
>>37896132
Its just my thoughts on a possible future for our global economy as someone in the financial/advisory services sector. Besides I'm not a conspiracy fag.

>>37896032
You're a pessimistic conspiracytard.

People will be given a guaranteed income to survive or there will be revolutions and the "elite" will have their heads on pikes in no time.

>>37896187
I work in the machining industry and often I have seen these estimates fuck up horribly. For example, at my old job, there were lots of 3 axis CNC milling machines with 4ths indexers and a few true 4 axis machines, all vertical milling machines from tried and trusted companies.

Along comes a 4 axis horizontal with pallet changer and all the trimmings. The boffins in the offices pounce on it like white on rice, doing cost estimates for this new half-million dollar thing, going "we'll be able to run it lights out 24/7 it'll pay for itself in man hours within X months". Now there are obviously machines that are good and work like this, but this was a machine with lots of features for a relatively lower price; yes, half-million is "lower price". So they get two of the fucking things and they have had 95% downtime. NINETY FIVE PERCENT DOWNTIME. Nobody knows how to fix them, they have new "safety features" to reduce liability, safety features that simply make the machine stop at the drop of a hat for no reason, everything on it has broken at least once (not because of crashes). They then bought a standard machine from a regular company and all has been well,

Basically, I'm agreeing with you. Yes, automation is a lot cheaper in the long run IF it works well. For the next ten years at least, most of the automation will not be functionally cheaper in real life. Automation can only work if there's enough infrastructure, demand, and investment in place to support it as getting automation that ACTUALLY WORKS IN REAL LIFE is much more expensive than just that little equation you've put in.

tl;dr you're right but only when economy of scale is big enough, for now. Many industry sectors aren't big enough, for now.

>>37896378
until the elites make revolting illegal and death penalty, so then their killerbot2000 can just kill all the revolters

>>37886754
Automation is going to effect white collar jobs too probably at a faster rate.

>>37896378
>there will be revolutions
You're a delusional hippie. The elite has weapons you can't even imagine, you've seen their fancy riot control microwave cannons already but they have advanced mood control weaponry now. But they won't even need them as people are too sedated to even rebel against anything.

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>>37886754

damn reading through these comments makes me feel like i'm in future.

what a shitshow of a thread where other than few people there are people literally believing that automated trucks, cars and burger machines cannot be done. what. the fuck.

i work in computer vision maintaining a smart traffic module which identifies different vehicles, distance between vehicles, bikers without helmets and send their pic with their nameplate to the authorities (which is a sub module of it).

add to that the robotics field which is killing it nowadays. you guys are in for a rude awakening faggots.

>>37896405
Real life isn't a Robocop movie, or any sci-fi dystopian flick for that matter. Most of "elites" are on board with promoting technology that will empower the global population.

>>37896454
>as people are too sedated to even rebel against anything.
Yeah, you're right, people are just going to sit still and slowly starve to death and accept it.

You kids are acting like these kinds of revolutions have never happened in the past. It's history repeating itself for the hundredth time.

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>>37896389

Thanks for the info, i agree that it only works in feasibility studies at this time.

Also, do you think that the software/hardware issue is going to get bigger with robots doing more and more jobs in the next 50 years?

like how tractors belong to farmers, but all the software needed to run them is essentially rented, and your tractor does not work unless you pay the licensing fee, and if you ghetto rig it, then you face severe penalties with the company.

At my job cost is the limiting factor for automation at this time, sure we COULD be replaced quite easily, but the cost estimates for us make it better to jsut have us work and do things by hand. This is the case because of the highly specialized troubleshooting jobs that we do ,where different equipment needs that special touch that machines have trouble defining without terabytes of data and complex mechanical systems.

I am working towards getting a degree in a field that is highly unlikely to be taken over by a robot, because I see my job going away in the next 30 years or so

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My goal in life is to set off the next big plague to purge low intellect/poor people from the world.

The future is for scientists and intellectuals.

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>>37896520
>Most of "elites" are on board with promoting technology that will empower the global population.

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Mad Max.
123543d3

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>>37896571
>crispr-cas9

been reading too much Atwood have we now?

>>37896586
>responds with a shitty racist meme instead of putting some actual thought into a rebuttal.

It's like arguing with women/children. Whatever, keep thinking the whole world is out to get you. The reason you're a miserable failure is all due to the jews, non-whites, SJWs, leftists, rich people, etc.

What year will cyberpunk truly begin? What would it take?

>>37886754
ALRIGHT GUYS I GOT AN IDEA JUST FOOD FOR THOUGH

>trucks become automated
>go out into the middle of nowhere
>erect a thin barrier, could just be opaque paper
>the computer programmed truck stops detecting a wall

If there's no room to turn around? what does it do?

>trucks get robbed constantly
>eventually have to be built like giant vaults

invest in armored car companies maybe

>>37896542
>Also, do you think that the software/hardware issue is going to get bigger with robots doing more and more jobs in the next 50 years? Like how tractors belong to farmers, but all the software needed to run them is essentially rented, and your tractor does not work unless you pay the licensing fee, and if you ghetto rig it, then you face severe penalties with the company.

I think that this will be a big problem, and that will in turn force some solutions. Basically, taking the examples of those tractors, you'll have large market/large industry players that will put out extremely productive automated devices. Like super high quality self-tractoring tractors that cost a shitton to buy, cost license to run, but are ridiculously productive in their specific tractoring duties.

Naturally the big customers will make a killing, but a large portion of the tractor userbase can't afford and probably wouldn't be able to take advantage of a 24/7 autotractor even if they were to be able to afford it, having tractoring needs too small to bother. Why get a tractor that can tractor 10000 things when you just have 100 things that need tractoring.

So there will be the "linux" tractor born of this demand. The large autotractor company won't really bother with this still sizeable portion of the tractor userbase, but smaller tractor companies will provide smaller tractors, more home-gamer DIY tractor things for smaller tractor users.

Then there's the userbase that needs tractors, but has a cornfield of a really weird shape. The super large autotractor doesn't have a fucking clue how to tractor a field that isn't rectangular, there is no planned update for another year, and you aren't allowed to fuck with the tractor's program or hardware. Again, more userbase that goes to the "linux" tractor.

What I'm getting to is that even if the technology is here two to five years from now, the world will take time to adapt.

-c-

>>37896645
>le ebil nazis only accuse jews to make up for their own failures
Go look at a list of holywood execs, wallstreet bankers or communist revolutionaries. I too used to think the kikes were a poor scapegoat, until I realized they really are behind a lot of our problems.

>>37887593
>What about the fourth option:
People already generally go back to school when theres a job loss or recession. Education of the country as a whole is the highest ever and looks like it will continue to trend that way.
Theres also a push for space now and that will need ALOT of people to make it a reality that cannot be programmed by robots so easily.

Everyone here underestimates how difficult it is to automate many things and that alot of stuff is still and always will be easier to have a human do. The change isnt going to happen over night (50yrs) and the market will have time to adjust and new jobs will open up.
Someday it could really happen that we run out of jobs but it is definitely not going to happen in the next 100 years.

Besides, by that point our meaning to what an economy is to us will probably be completely different.

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>>37896586
>>37896650
>Most of "elites" are on board with promoting technology that will empower the global population.

empower in this sense has vague context.

The true purpose is to make profit , you can "empower" someone to have voice activated toilet flushing, and get valuable metadata as a result that you can use to bet on life insurance for that person. The true meaning of empower in the context of that phrase is to pacify

Most of "elites" are on board with promoting technology that will pacify the global population

>>37896710
there was a study to determine most effective accident option (kill 5 kids or kill 1 old lady etc.) to try to quantify human life

Humans are brutally efficient when trying to remove life from the equation

>>37896769
i wasnt suggesting it would crash, just come to a stop and have no room to turn around.

actually since it wouldnt have a driver, i imagine eventually theyll be able to just reverse and continue in that direction without a problem haha

>>37896389
>le time delay
I bet if you told a farmhand in thr 1860s that he's going to be replaced by a tractor, he'd laugh in your face and explain how all these newfangled steam tractors will never be reliable enough.

All tech has teething problems. But it will replace you nonetheless. CNC machinery is already killing off machinist jobs en masse.

>>37896756

we need space exploration :D

scientists
>make robots for sex
>make robots to grow food
>make robots to bring us things
>make robots to program for us (listed somewhere above)
>make robots to entertain us
>allow robots to tell us what we may like

and people are going to want to put hard work into doing grat things that have never been done and ar edifficult?

Im sure 85% of the population would love to give up all of their komfy life accommodations to live out a harsh but productive life working hard to go to the stars

>>37896743
I am not denying that Jews control a lot of the money. It's a combination of strict/orthodox values, mostly centered around valuing a good education and ability to make money. They strongly value financial success. They also tend to be well connected with other Jews in the business/community, which only accelerates their ambitions. Jews are good at that, no doubt, but to act like they've all got some evil globalist plan is just fucking lame and wrong. Most of them have strong family values and don't commit crime.

>>37888332
Sorry bro, you need to be boiled alive before you you can destroy us any more.

Envy isn't evil, it's necessary.

>>37896002
Automation actually requires physical devices to do things. Code monkeys can't handle hardware.

By the way, code monkeys seem to be on the way to getting automatized themselves. Before long learned machines will be able to compile code from verbal instructions - because in some ways they already do that.

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>>37896859
>Being this delusional.

It's called racial nepotism you uneducated cuck, it's why they've been ejected from 109 countries throughout history.

They are utterly self-serving parasites upon their host country.

>>37896389
>>37896542
>>37896721
>>37896829
And through these adaptations, the market growing pains of an automated-industrial-re-revolution will be felt slowly and understood by more people. A market is hard to support when nobody has money to buy the product when you have a huge production capability because you fired your employees to make your product automatically. This egg-chicken problem will be a problem that we will face within our lifetimes, in measurable ways within ten years, in certain industries.

The machining industry (making parts by removing material) is not as simple as it sounds at first. As funny as it sounds, large portions of the industry is driven by edge-cases. Shit that computers, even the best and most expensive ones, has trouble dealing with. Computers just don't easily understand "real life" concepts like rigidity of the machine, the workholding, the tooling, and the part. They have a hard time "listening" to how a tool sounds while cutting, they have a hard time grasping what a good chip formation looks like.

Even in the most advanced CNC machining centers, there's always either a huge fuckup because the guys let the machine do the thinking and it all exploded spectacularly, or one/a few experienced machinists that were able to tell the machine what to do while keeping hundreds of variables in mind.

Yes, automation is coming and it's coming soon. It'll replace a lot of people until we can't afford to replace more, and it'll cycle between this a few times until we unfuck ourselves and find something that works. My money is on cheaper electricity using nuclear generators, molten salt reactors, that sort of thing. If people have a hard time affording the cost of living even with cheap everything because automation makes it less expensive, it'll be in a lot of people's interests in making living cheaper. The only way to do that, at the core, is by making electricity cheaper.

>>37896859
But you are wrong. Go on a free for all shooter server and bring a squad of buddies on teamspeak. This is what the kikes do in business. This is also the fundamental reason why they attack their host societies - if the nation's social order and hierarchy is destroyed and atomized, the jew is free to move in and replace the old elites. Not to mention their shitty idea that they must rule the world for their messiah to arrive, which a lot of literal communists admit helped form their worldview.

Jews are a nepotistic, inbred group playing host societies for the benefit of their own people. They're not the only ones to do this, but they are by far the best and most prevalent at it. Denying this is retarded.
>muh conspiracy
There need not be a fucking conspiracy, judaism has developed said traits over 2 millenia of natural selection, and the kikes have likewise developed an almost unmatched in-group preference both culturally and genetically. The ones who were dumb or open to cooperation with the goyim simply assimilated into the host populations.

>>37896910
>It's called racial nepotism you uneducated cuck,
I literally addressed that in my post you illiterate fuck.

Anyway I'm done arguing with retards today. Have fun being an unproductive broke ass bitch your whole life.

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>>37886754
Rise up and kill the rich or perish.

Exterminate them all, it's us or them.

Kill the snarky STEM major douche bags who get off on making us irrelevant too.

>>37896958
Sure thing Schlomo.

You'll get yours soon.

>>37886754
Retards who spit on your food and have bad hygiene won't be making our meals anymore. Just horrible

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>>37896910
>>37896954
>>37896958

for you, all of you and you

>>37896888
>code monkeys seem to be on the way to getting automatized themselves
You're an idiot if you think that the current state of the artifice of intelligence will ever have any hope of matching humans. Everything is built off of squishy neural networks instead of normalized ontological rules, and it will always be a failure until it is done from well-established data science.
See: Microsoft Tay, Google Knowledge Graph and the Holocaust

>>37896954
>for the benefit of their own people
Holy FUCK what a revolutionary concept. I never would have thought there would be a society of people who would actually look out for their own kind. That is completely baffling!

Your problem is you are assuming every Jew is guilty of the conspiracy-level retarded bullshit that you spout. Judaism is twisted, along with Christianity, and Islam, and virtually every other religion. No one is surprised their holy texts are preaching some fucked up shit. Your average Jew just wants their kids to grow up rich and successful, not to become part of a global cabal bent on world domination.

>>37896928
Traditional, deterministically programmed computers - yes. But you underestimate neural nets, which are basically like human brains, just better. Technicians will be around for a long time, true, but as machines get better they will work more and break down less.

I've worked in factories mech eng internship and early career too, and like half the problems that arise with the machines are due to the 85iq operators not being able to follow basic instructions. The more computers can take out of the hands of the operator, the less the machine will break down.

>>37896769
>raw earth mining
Theres your problem. I only buy phones made with cooked earth

>>37897018

The estimate for computer power surpassing the human computing power is 2050

>>37886754
oh shit, if the refrigerator gets big, icemen will be out of a job!
Fuck outta here you shoe-throwing Luddite

>>37892292
Why the fuck would they need people to buy products anymore when they can produce whatever the fuck they want using the robots that they own? You think they'd willingly support useless shits who can't do a job anymore but would use up resources if you were to produce things for them? Don't be bloody stupid.

>>37897053
Just because it can count to a billion really fast doesn't mean it knows why.

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>>37897055

have you actually see an iceman?

>>37897073

but does it ned to know why to get the job done?

>>37897064
because you can make a thing that does the thing that the other thing did, but faster and better

>>37897020
You seem to miss the part where the host nation is required to treat everyone equally, whild the kikes favour their own. Nation within a nation. This is why they always get massacred eventually, and this is why the American people are getting ready to massacre you specifically in the coming decade.

The jews push for equality, collapse of social hierarchy because it benefits them. It does not benefit whichever group happens to be in the majority. Doesn't take a genius to figure out.
>Your problem is you are assuming every Jew is guilty of the conspiracy-level retarded bullshit that you spout
Your problem is still believing in the stupid individualist paradigm the jews espouse while never embracing it themselves. This is not about individuals, this is about tribes. The jew does not see you as an individual, and neither should you see him as such. Unless you want to get cucked out of your own state, you have to systematically oppose them.

>>37895770
Automated cards are usually hybrids you dumb fuck. Fully solar cars are a meme until we learn to store solar energy and increase panel effieciency.

>>37897055
But this time millions of people ill be out of the job permanently because robots will replace all the low skill jobs any person could do.

Millions upon millions of people will be left completely redundant. Are you saying they should all die?

>>37897152
People adapt. Life finds a way.

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>>37897020
Fuck off Schlomo, no-one is buying your bullshit. Soon you kikes will be hanging from trees.

>>37897104
>does it need to know why to get the job done?
Arguably, yes. An expert system would need to be able to know or look up all aspects of a knowledge domain, up to knowing whether whatever was asked of it is even valid or alarming.

>>37886754
Massive increase in crime until someone unites the rabble and overthrows the elite.
>>37886840
This will never happen. Why? Because it assumes that the capitalists will be sharing any of the wealth. Don't be stupid.

>old enough that the "le work hard" meme still applied
>could comfortably retire on my investments at any time
>work in a servile position to an elite, favoured for my bootlicking and reliablity
>robots won't be good at bootlicking until after I am dead

It's all your fault my dudes. Sure must suck to suck.

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>>37897020
>Judaism is twisted, along with Christianity, and Islam, and virtually every other religion.
>implying jews are a religious group
I can't tell a catholic from a protestant just by looking at them, but I can tell an ashkenazi or european sephardijew damn near every time. You're a tribe and a race, everyone knows that. 9/10 of you look like pale sandniggers. I guess it horrifies you that the goyim might be waking up to your swindle.

>>37897170
No one will be able to adapt properly to this:

>>37897028


Unless of course, they kill the rich men and snarky STEM major who enjoy making them redundant.

>>37886754
Obviously take the money from companies who are making money from automation to pay for UBI

>>37897258
Neural nets are just weighted input graphs, nothing to be afraid of. See >>37897018

>>37897258
>Unless of course, they kill the rich men and snarky STEM major who enjoy making them redundant
They won't. Not when they can spend their days gorging on McD, watching shitty tv shows and playing vidya. Universal Basic Income prevents revolution, and you marxist retards are outdated.

>>37897245
Why are Americans who are rich so universally sadistic and cruel to those who aren't?

I don't understand why people in your country tolerate these "people" even existing, they are out to make you miserable.

>>37897028
Agreed. My point is that this process takes time. We've had fast, powerful, and durable CNC machines for more than 30 years, machines that had impressive features even now. I've worked on Okuma CNC machines from mid-80s with programmable tooling that would log cut time and automatically change out a worn tool for a fresh one, on top of having 4 axis indexing, 72 tool pots, double pallets, coolant-through spindle, etc. Basically, it had all the features of the machine I mentioned in my first post but less than 0.1% downtime. Right now, that machine is still working, still making parts, and it's worth in its used shape what that other new machine is worth new.

Neural net programming will change a lot, I also agree.

>the more computers can take out of the hands of the operator, the less the machine will break down
Also true, but that still doesn't change how automation is a higher investment, and the portion of the market that works with edge-cases where automation sucks, is quite large. You'd be surprised of the local business or even international business drummed up by progress; in a way, this automation industry is pushing itself and requires human intervention to move further. People that want to make more productive machines need parts that can't be made by automation yet, because the market for those specific parts is too small. They require the input of a specialized market, too small to be automated, that can cater to those needs. The "small specialized" market is itself a fairly large market, because there are so many things to specialize in.

This is mostly why I think it'll take time, hopefully enough for us to work out sensible solutions to automation = no jobs = no purchasing power = no automation.

>>37897279
Your brain is literally a weighted input graph, too. Just with a fairly complex genetic architecture that already includes the transfer functions for solving many problems, and a peculiar physical structure that is, for the time being, more efficient than transistor electronics.

>>37897222
>This will never happen. Why? Because it assumes that the capitalists will be sharing any of the wealth. Don't be stupid.
Of course it will. Do you think those capitalists want riots instead? Nobody buying their goods because towns are being torched? No, they want the government to subsidize living so everyone can afford their products.

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>>37886754
The companies get all cozy and comfy for a while and then boom, government comes in to siezw the means of production and establish a welfare state. Cant let these companies have all the power now.

Also democracy and capitalism will go out the window. You will do as the gubberment says from now on and be happy with it.

>>37897306
They only hate people who aren't useful to them, just like kings and emperors of days past. Good bureaucrats and courtiers are always appreciated by the elites, as are competent military leaders.

If you are REALLY scared of the elites crushing you, US gubment pays for several degrees and gets you an officer position, keeping you super fucking safe from the proles and elites alike. Food for thought.

>>37897315
>Also true, but that still doesn't change how automation is a higher investment, and the portion of the market that works with edge-cases where automation sucks, is quite large
Oh, I realize this. I often like to tell people that the lowly construction worker pushing around wheelbarrows, digging in hard to reach places and beating shit into shape with a sledgehammer will be automatized only long after the white collar snobs are. Humans are required for edge cases because each adult human is an exceptionally adaptable learning machine with decades of training. The thing is, most cases are not edge cases. Machines will take over increasingly less repetitive and simple tasks, constantly reducing the number of required workers, until you're left with a very small portion of the former workforce.

>>37897342
No, they want to kill the useless eaters to free up the resources, and because they are sadistic bastards like:

>>37897245

UBI is a meme they push to hide their true intentions. When millions are made redundant, their will be a shift in policy at the top from appeasement to genocide/eugenics.

I expect some type of global war or bio-engineered plague to be unleashed to this effect.

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so can we all agree that capitalism is destined to fail in the long run?

>>37897327
Yeah, and people will still be using it to count really fast instead of doing anything meaningful.

>>37897434
As long as we can agree that Communism is destined to fail in the short run.

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>>37897342
>le society is ruled by evil WASP capitalists maymay
Go back and stay there.

>>37897434
If the dumb masses can some-how find the effort and intelligence to rise up and kill the rich, maybe.

>>37897465
You WASPs aren't even in power anymore. The Kikes and Chinks have replaced you.

>>37887134
Doctors are at very low risk of automation. Medicine is a much more future-proof field to go into than the vast majority of others

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>>37897455
The communism we ha ve observed has failed because there were shit leaders. If you have just and uncorrupt leaders then communism works much better than capitalism.

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food for thought, written by a semi outcast jew

Regardless of who comes out on top, those in power will only allow themselves and their financial chad and Stacie friends to succeed

>>37897434
UBI makes communism redundant. Even the actual fucking communists in USSR, China, Vietnam, etc realized their ideology was redundant thanks to automatization in the farms and factories, I don't know why western edgelords still cling to it. Marx was a hack, and tried to project some peculiarities of his day onto some grand unified theory of history - which consistently fails to make accurate predictions and is therefore a shit theory

>>37897486
And what do you suppose my point was, retard?

>>37897342
Most likely they'll reduce population as another anon mentioned. Wars are always popular

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>>37897493
You're a fucking idiot

cometne de originale

>>37897493
If someone of absolute moral purity, max intelligence, and the will to execute justice for every and all people existed it doesn't fucking matter what system you use dumbass. Because honestly, it would probably go the way of WH40K.

Also while Communist Manifesto is sitting on my shelf, I still need to finish Wealth of Nations and Das Kapital before I start it and thus don't have a perfect grasp on the ideology. But I am pretty certain that a "glorious leader" is the opposite of what you want. Serfdom is fucking shit dude.

>>37897511
So which is better then? A society where everyone works, has food on the table and a roof on thwir head or a society where some people work, others do not and you may or may not afford to have a roof over your head?

>>37886754
some people have to die, obviously

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Reminder that continually upping the minimum wage gives businesses more and more incentive to downsize their staff and replace it with AI. Liberals are creating their own starving NEET cybercuck dystopia with muh 15.

Reminder that NO minimum wage is best wage, and there's no reason to have one in a country where there is a functioning welfare state.

>>37897529
You don't need to reduce population. You can have infinite population growth if you choose to colonize space.

You might however want to optimize said population growth by skewing it towards the more intelligent through eugenics

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>>37897535
>Le communism killed millions of people maymay.

>>37897511

True, but marx was like buddha in siddhartha, jsut trying to make the feels of the masses go away by keeping them occupied until they die under pseudo free will, much like consumer based "you choose" society

UBI wil lkeep people complacent enough to keep on existing, but when a state runs out of money and the free gibmedats stop coming, then the govt will have a real problem on its hands

raw resources are critical to this whole system, the best part? eventually they run out

>>37897465
When did I state they were evil, you fucking retard?

>>37897529
Wars aren't popular when you're trying to sell luxury goods.

>>37896405
One of the greatest armies in the world can't take down fucking dirt farmers. Guerrilla warfare is a bitch and no matter how much you piss away on exosuits and drones an EMP bomb will send you down the level of African tribesmen.

They ought to just offer you a basic income/bread and circuses if you agree to a vasectomy/whatever women get.
Basically if you agree to be made physically unable to breed, you're allowed a basic living.

>>37897424
>Machines will take over increasingly less repetitive and simple tasks, constantly reducing the number of required workers, until you're left with a very small portion of the former workforce.
Indeed.

This is why I'm hoping for more investment into the energy industry, specifically for cheaper power. I don't really care about the global warming debate, pollution, green energy, whatever. What I care about is $/W. That's the bottom line; if you can make power cheap, say a thousand times cheaper than it is now, then the basic cost of living can go down enough that it would cost pennies to house, eat, and dress yourself. This would practically make null the problem of a small workforce... But again I feel this is a naive dream. I'm not sure what will play out in decades to come, and I expect it to go sour in many ways, but maybe we'll make it even if we go through a real "electric church" cyberpunk phase where the whole world is basically a third world shithole where a few bucks gets you a smartphone but not a meal.

>>37897492
I'm not so sure about that, medical mistakes are so common, I would personally like to have a doctor that is computer assisted. I've had a local doctor talk to me about fucking homeopathy, so at this point googling shit to see if I require treatment sounds like a decent alternative.

>>37897548
Read the thread, retard. Nobody needs to work to have a roof over their head, thanks to robots. But this causes some problems when it comes to adapting our current, exchange based social structure to this. That's the point of this fucking thread.

Communism is complete non sequitur when only 1% of the population even needs to work.

>>37897566
How are hurricanes and selling product equivalent to killing people? Capital has never harmed a single soul. Fuck off with your faggot ass shilling.

>>37897567
>raw resources are critical to this whole system, the best part? eventually they run out

See:

>>37897433

Hence their lust for eugenics.

>>37897566
>Implying that communism could actually fix half of those problems

Go ahead and try it then, and I'll lol when you end up like Venezuela. It's a flawed system and it always will be. At least Capitalism actually fucking works in the longterm.

>>37897561
Exactly
>please sir, I need a job
>I don't have any positions open right now, but how about you start tomorrow taking out the trash and mopping floors for 4 dollars an hour, 10 hours a week
>do good son and we'll see about getting you something better

Commiecucks can't see that by putting gubment in between workers and their employers it makes communication more difficult. Fight the good fight anon.

>>37897548

your dream sounds nice, ut you need to consider

>law of decreasing returns

you can have 1000 people work in a factory, but the same job can be done to 95% efficiencey with only 500 people, you end up with such a large work force, that you spend more on giving them jobs than you do getting back return to help keep society afloat. Communism only works in very small almost tribal societies communism is a thing for the elite, since they are all essentially equal, and they work for the good of their elitist community

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>>37897594
I find it hilarious how you think the gubberment will just hand out free gibs. They will put your asses to work for FREE and you will love it. You think those suits will give you cash just to exist and laze around? You got another thing coming, bub.

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>>37897609
>How are hurricanes and selling product equivalent to killing people?

Faulty construction and selling addictive poison the make a profit/save costs. Completely normal with capitalism.

>Capital has never harmed a single soul. Fuck off with your faggot ass shilling.

>All this denial.

Oh Christ, don't make me laugh.

>>37897591
Computer assisted, sure, doctors are already assisted by computers. But we're basically going to need autonomous androids with the critical thinking ability of humans before doctors get phased out, and when that happens everyone will be out of a job.

Was that doctor an MD? There's such a thing as naturopathic "doctors" now. Just because someone's a doctor doesn't mean they went to an allopathic (legitimate) medical school.

>>37897625
Venezuela is a sub-90 IQ latino country, and even then it was doing better than most capitalist countries in the region until the US started enacting it's economic warfare policies against it.

North Korea and the USSR all has great standards of living by the 1970s, it's just that the US destroyed their country's economies on purpose to prevent them from succeeding.

See diaries of an economic Hitman for further info.

No-one but the rich is buying your shit anymore, shill.

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>>37897609

>Build house to withstand hurricane = high upfront cost, people wont buy because you can buy one that looks the same across the street for 50% less

>charge the same amount of insurrance for each house cus muh beach front

>hurricane surge destroys house

>toobadsosad.jpeg

>it was a flood not a hurricane that make house is kill

2 industries are supported by directly doing things the shitty way

>>37896586
It's easier in the long run. You can either throw the peasants a few bones and at worst they'll be content with you and at best see you as a godlike figure, or you can starve them make and them hate you so much you have to build an iron fortress filled with killer drones just to protect yourself.

You don't get to be rich without being pragmatic.

>>37886754
>What happens to society when all the low-skill jobs are phased out?

There's going to be a big die-off.

>don't count on some kind of basic income...prices will quickly adjust to compensate in Europistan, and the US won't do that shit
>yeah, I heard about Hawaii, but it won't last

>>37886754
You join the army because the capitalists will constantly need more stuff to satisfy the needs of the market in a scarce goods world. In order to get that stuff they will either need to exploit the poor countries of the world or take it by force. War is a very profitable business venture, so I'm sure they will need plenty of grunts to take and hold resources. Just look at Afghanistan and all the heroin that comes out of that country. Who do you think took and guarded those resources? The American Army of course.

>>37897694
Yes he was MD, "legitimate", but I'm in a country with health care so the people's republic of your pockets only goes so far. Sure it's OK getting stitches when you spring a big leak without having to break open the piggy bank for thirteen thousand dollars, but when you have a lump in your foot that could be cancer (or it could be nothing, but it would be nice to check), just getting a referral for tests is like pulling teeth. Then the clinic is manned by a triple retard that has a hard time just turning on the machine he's supposed to use, and then that fucking clinic doesn't send your tests to the doctor.

And then they don't answer any phone calls so that you can ask them to send your tests to the doctor again/for the first time.

Fucking nigger shitholes I swear fuck, all of them. Fuck healthcare jew shit.

>>37897723
>You don't get to be rich without being pragmatic.

What is nepotism?

I'd say it's more like you don't get to become rich if you don't learn to exploit those underneath you. Capitalism = parasitism/wage-slavery.

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>>37897697
>Communism is such a fwagile system that foreign powers (that aren't even more powerful, more of an even playing field) can destroy it without a single gunshot fired

>Capitalistic societies have survived for literal millennia.

I don't give a shit how high the standard of living is. If it only lasts about 30 fucking years, fuck it.

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>>37897566
HURRICANE KATRINA WAS AN INSIDE JOB PRAISE LENIN :DDDDD

I'd hope there'd be more aspiration in education leading to a smarter soceity with more people with jobs that actually contribute to humanity (best case scenario).

>>37894998
You relpy to the wrong post?
You just are supporting the argument that automated trucks arent happening any time soon.

>>37895402
Both of you are retarded children and know nothing of the real world.

>>37897767
>What is nepotism?
Trust fund kid getting money and squandering it.

People think Trump is retarded, he's not. The fact that he is inarticulate was a massive selling point in the election, it mate him sound like an Average Joe and make him more relatable. Clinton sounded and acted like a soulless robot who would spaz out and break if everything wasn't carefully optimized for her.

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Capitalism only works when the worker produces something (a product, a service) and gets capital in return. Without workers you can't have capital.

Automation on the level liberals keep preaching about probably won't happen in our life times, if at all.

If it did, capitalism will be over and humans will find some other way to work. It's not the first time we've transitioned from one form of society to another.

>>37897892
Capitilasm works when there is a working class that actually buys things.
If everyone is jobless and broke then its not capitalism any more

>>37897892
Scarcity to post-scarcity isn't any time soon friend, even if we space race into a Universal Century and develop cold fusion.

>>37897724
>There's going to be a big die-off.

No one's going to let that happen, dumbfuck. What, you think the 1% want everything to themselves?

>>37887902
americans wouldn't tolerate this shit, countries like brazil were started with systems like this. Americans are too rebellious to let shit get that unfair or bad.

>>37897986
Detroit?
>inb4 niggers

>>37897795

Capitalism works in large communities because you can abuse people and make them do your bidding for money, thus profit, also someone will do a shit job for less and less pay, because a shit job is better than no money

communism works better in small communities, because if you try pulling any capitalist schemes and try making profit by abusing a workforce of your peers, people will get sick and tired of your bullshit real quick

communism does not work in large societies because of the law of diminishing returns, the more people there are after a given point, the less actual work gets accomplished per worker

>>37897808

a capitalst will gladly cut corners for short term gain (why use 5 nails when 3 will technically do the job good enuf)

he has a point that faulty construction costs lives, even fro a capitalist perspective, if money is value of work performed, and you use fewer resources and less quality control, you make more profit which is good for business

There was likely no malicious intent in intentionally making peoples houses to get rekt, but look at companies like BP, they pay for science, but only so they can know how much they can reasonably pollute and still get away with. Just had an oil spill? that sucks, because the last 5 hours of profit our company paid can pay for the outdated fee for killing over 9000 baby dolphins

communism is the other extreme, lets give free stuff to all participants, cant perform, that's alright, heres a free stuff for trying

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>>37898009
>Capitalism works in large communities

>Communism works better in small communities

HMMMMMMM I WONDER WHAT THERE WILL BE MORE OF IN THE FUTURE?????