>every history major I've met is a conservatard What

I have a history degree and desu in my experience its the complete opposite (including myself)

>>37880610

>considering going back to school for a history degree
>am a conservatard regressive cunt

hmm

>>37880949
>considering going back to school for a history degree
>am regressive
Redundant.

>studying the history of civilization tends to give people conservative values

Hmmm... I wonder what this could mean...

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>>37881013
it's almost like you can see patterns from the past being repeated again

>Studying History in college makes you unemployable and blame your problems on illegals and BBC

Really makes you think

>>37880610
>>37880899
>>>/lgbt/

Go back.

>>37880610
>implying most liberals arent the regressive ones in 2017, denying science when it comes to gender, ignoring statistics when it comes to race and crime and police, fighting against free speech, lots supporting communism, etc.

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>history/english literature double major
>mfw basically a nazi

Truly understanding history redpills you

>>37881412
But history faculties are run by commies here, what do

>>37882117
Become a national-bolschewik

>>37881013
Dammit, you got to this before me
Yea, if learning about the world's greatest civilizations and learning from it tends to make people conservation, I think it says something

>>37881369
You don't understand! It's progress!

>mfw right wingers and small-L liberals think they understand history

>>37880899
FUCK YOU LIBTARD BITCH! STOP RUINING THE THREAD!

>>37880610
I'm doing history postgrad and not a single person doing it with me shows even the slightest hint of being conservative. I lean right though.

>>37880610
learning from the mistakes of humanity

I find it very surprising that anyone who has a tertiary education in such intellectual fields can remain a conservative.

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>>37882978
>"H-history is repeating itself, t-the statistics don't lie"
>"Do you have a single fact to back that up?"
>"HURR DURR HOW DARE YOU ASK ME FOR FACTS, YOUR FACTS ARE SJW MARXIST JEWISH PROPAGANDA"

mfw

>>37880610
>every history major I've met don't agree with my opinions
>i will complain on r9k instead and insulting them instead of talking to them

Typical liberal

>>37883704
Being right wing is literally in every sense of the word, anti intellectual and anti fact. Reality has a left wing bias.

>>37883741
Well first we need to know what a person means when he says "right-wing". Do they mean "Gas the kikes, race war now" or "We need a smaller government and less interference in the market"? Since I associate myself with the latter when I call myself right-wing, but for some reason I get called a Nazi and I have to explain my views anyway. It can get pretty annoying.

>>37883741

Reality has a very clear right-wing bias. There's a reason the US and China are rising to the top on the back of a strong market.

>>37883788
>China is right wing
Huh?

>>37883813

They thrive because they've opened their market and given up on minimum standards of living.

>>37883769
It's not the easiest place to discuss politics here desu

Idk what the fuck is going on, I'm too liberal to watch actual politics, I just know Trump is the biggest liar of any US president so far, who just happens to be aryan in a time where white suprmacy seems to be budding, and that he fired the head of the fbi for investigating him. I don't know if I'm missing something about him by being so uninvolved in politics, but I'm pretty sure there's no reason to have voted for him besides hating Hilary or being duped, I think that's what this all boils down to.

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>>37880610
>learn from history, seeing how bad the world is in it's current state
>tard

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>mfw /r9k/ invades /his/

>>37883976
/his/ is filled mainly with Armchair generals and wikipedia pros anyway, tbqh. Granted there are actual people who are interested, but not that much I'd say.

>>37880610
PhD history student here, so far left I may as well be calling everone comrade.
To make it better I'm doing military history in a military university. It's an interesting place to be.

>>37884015
Any military specifially? I've been interested in Russian military for a while now.

>>37884015
The funny thing is that your entire worldview is wrong.

>>37884022
British Dominions during WW1, specifically Australia.

But I'm interested in most history up to WW2.

>>37884040
Is Breaker Morant historically accurate? Or is it australian propaganda?

>>37884054
Awful, awful propaganda. He absolutely should have been shot for what he did, but the way the the Brits went about it was pretty bad, even for them.

>>37884027
I don't usually argue politics because basically no one debates in good faith and once someones political views are set there's almost no chance of changing them. I'm dissatisfied with the current state of the world under capitalism, but I'm not so naive to think communism would be any better.

>>37884147
>Awful, awful propaganda. He absolutely should have been shot for what he did, but the way the the Brits went about it was pretty bad, even for them.
Interesting

> I'm dissatisfied with the current state of the world under capitalism, but I'm not so naive to think communism would be any better.
You seem ripe for the "extreme right"

Gooble gobble

>Graduated 'Contemporary Military and International History'
>90% fascist nerds
>5% commie nerds
>5% army officer cadets
>There were also 3 women (although 2 were mature students)

I think it was the uniform fetish more than anything. Everyone was really good natured and never got too serious about anything political apart from one super-commie, and even he was bearable. We were all too focused on how beautiful hinds are to care I guess.

If politics usually came up, you'd get quite a good discussion but there was a particular kind of dry humour - we were all super nerds and we all subliminally acknowledged that we were khhv /r9k/ browsers, so you'd get very tongue in cheek answers to everything political, because we've all had the same discussion a thousand times before on the internet.

'Well I don't think we should leave the EU'
'Well it wouldn't be half as bad if they'd just get on with the final solution already'

Shit like that. All tongue in cheek, rolley eye kinda stuff.

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>have natural talent with memorizing dates, events in history
>want to get bachelors, masters and even phd in history
>no decent jobs that accept that
just fuck my shit up

>>37881013
This, however it must be noted that "conservatism" by definition is defined by the status quo

I guess OP refers to traditional / strong moral and societal values

>>37884306
Just become a librarian or some shit. Spend the whole day on the computer/reading books, with perhaps 5 minute interruptions now and then.

And in your free time write your magnum opus.

>>37884306
No shit, date memorizer isn't a job.

You just got to make your degree more modern/relevant. I'm a huge history nerd but I know going the pure history route is a rude awakening dead end. So I'm doing a 2nd language, international development, and elective history/cultural courses. At least my degree will be more meaningful than a history one

>>37884328
how much do they get paid though?

>>37881013
Modern conservative values are a lot different to western conservative values 400yrs ago

I mean your average lawmaker back then was fine with slavery or 12yr olds being sold into marriage, but would torture gays alive for sodomy.

>>37883987
>/his/ is filled mainly with Armchair generals and wikipedia pros anyway

this

god damn I wish /his/ was more /lit/, for example you can post in your average rhodesia or SA thread and people know fuck all apart from wiki snippets or /pol/ shitposting.

Threads usually churn out a certain way as a result.

>>37884376
I don't know. Is that important though? As long as it provides acceptable material comforts.

Nothing sadder than the man who works himself to death for the prospect of more money.

>>37883741
Reality is collectivist? I'm gonna need you to explain this one for me, in my understanding reality is utterly neutral.

It always comes down to "might makes right". Those who are more intelligent are able to achieve superior strategies and weaponry.

Right and left define the interest of different societal classes more than the clash between divine and earthly values, of which the former can sometimes obstruct the pursuit of earthly knowledge if that's what you're going for here.

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>>37884236
>You seem ripe for the "extreme right"
Ha! Nah, I'd more likely be part of the black bloc than any tradneet fucker or neo-nazi.

>>37884244
I've just been accepted as a tutor for first year history classes at my uni, which is the officer training academy. Gonna be interesting to see if it's like that.

>>37884306
I'm doing my phd in military history, I know how hard it'll be to get a job with that degree, but there's museums, libraries and archives that all need staff, as well as my dream goal of professorship.
If you enjoy it enough, you'll do it and find a way for it to work for you.

>>37884306

>2017
>People still believe that history is as simple as 'memorizing dates and events'

What the fuck senpai go and research what historians actually do before you study it at uni

>>37884306
If you enjoy spreading your knowledge to others and want others to learn more, improve a branch of a historical topic, but don't wanna deal with kids mainly, you could become a Museum Curator, their pays are pretty alright last time I've checked.

>>37884402
I wish /his/ would start sharing PDFs again. That was the golden age of /his/, when someone started a thread about PDFs and everyone started sharing their works. I don't know why the /library of alexandria/ general died out so quickly. That shit was fucking fantastic, got over 20gb worth of PDFs on history thanks to that.
But I guess /his/ is more concerned in just shitposting about Religion and regurgitating old myths/memes.

>>37884306

Also, if you're doing history at a masters or phd level, its for a reason.

Masters - you want to do a PhD
PhD - you want to be a historian

I graduated my bachelors in history and moved into international relations because theyre very related fields (yes, history isnt just about 'hurr memorising dates', its about critical thinking, you can literally reshape how society perceives itself by providing a strong enough argument as to why we should view a particular people or event differently - look at rome for example, society bounces between seeing it as the pinnacle of civilisation and evil slaving despots) and now I'm working in the European Commission.

>>37884556
Since you have a bachelor in that, I wonder if you could help. I'm actually conflicted between my choices. I was thinking of going History, but History & International Relations and History & Politics are also very enticing. The problem is mainly the last 2, would International Relations or Politics give me more job prospects? Politics seems fun but also exhausting and maybe at times annoying, I can't say much about International relations, but sounds rather interesting and very complimentary to History.

>>37880610
Being a 20th century History Major is the closest you can get behind war reenactor to admitting you like the Third Reich.

>>37880610
I know one who's female but looks like a dude. Likely gay, probable future tranny.

>>37880610
Learning about the past allows you to repeat the past. They are anti progress for an obvious monkey see monkey do reason.

>>37884592

The fields are almost interchangeable, history, IR and politics share largely the same theories, and papers written in one field have impacts on others. It's completely normal for an IR scholar to conduct a historical comparative analysis to prove his point, for example.

It's the same shit, but history is of course focused in the past, whereas IR is the present (and yes theres overlap and they affect each other). If you find an aspect of IR annoying, you will find the same aspect in history, most likely.

The only exception to this, i'd say, is the content of your history course. If it's contemporary history, what I said is true. But if the content of the history course goes back any further than the peace of westphalia (which is very important to modern statehood), it starts to become very irrelevant very fast. After that, you start moving into history more as it relates to archaeology. And if you though contemporary historians struggle with employment, oh boy are you i nfor a surprise there.

Sorry, I'm rambling - IR&P gives you a broader field from which you can derive employment, yes. Although honestly if you're looking for serious employment in anything related to the degree, you'll want to pick up a related masters in your chosen path. The masters will help you specialise, narrow you down and cut away all the irrelevant bits that employers see when they read 'history graduate'. The bachelor degree on its own isn't worth much pull, but it can lead to a masters and from there it gets very interesting.

To give you an example, my history degree allowed me the opportunity to study law at a masters level, and although it isn't law school or anything, I've known people hired as legal specialists in certain fields from that.

>>37884592
>would International Relations or Politics give me more job prospects
you don't go into any of those if you want a job

>>37880899
fucking libtard stop fucking lying REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>37884669
Consider the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifYelSTlMo

>>37880899
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU LIBKEKS TRY TO RUIN EVERYTHING

Because they are aware of the past and can see this this veil of communist nonsense.

>>37883813
Ask anyone from there, they love capitalism

/his/tory bros, I'm a wikipedia warrior, are there any good curricula of books for basic knowledge of history? It'd be fun to try and study the thing for real, as if I was in college taking an undergrad.

>>37885333
I'm gonna assume you want a book on the world. If so, I'd say "Penguin History of The World" is an ok start. I'm not really fond of "World History" books, but if you want something specific like a country or anything XIXth-XXth century I can be more of use.

>>37885333
Nah senpai start with the Greeks

>>37885357
I was talking more about a list of books that would cover undergraduate-level courses. Do you guys know of a good college that makes its list of suggested reading materials public?

>>37884306
There are plenty of decent jobs that you can get with a History degree. The field is a bit saturated, sure, because history-related jobs are pretty much for life, there is no cycle of quick promotion/expension of the workforce needed, unless in very specific cases. But that doesn't you can't get a job, you just have to better than the rest.

Personally, I went for my country's equivalent of a bachelor in History, specializing in international relations, went on to a Political Science master in different university, again specializing in international relations, where the people in charge of my admission appreciated my atypical profile, my overall culture, and the skills I had learned while studying History. It's still what I'm doing right now, but I see friends with similar CVs doing great now, in politics, diplomacy, administration, or even in completely unrelated fields.

And even if you aren't aiming that high, nothing is stopping from becoming a teacher, an archivist, a librarian, for example.

Saying that History is just remembering dates is an insult to the field, though.

>>37885333

>The rise and fall of the great powers

It's a fucking TOME but you'll know everything worth knowing about the world we live in. A little outdated now but still a good read.

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>>37883687
>"I mean you can also use statistics and math to study history."

>"NO IT'S NOT TRUE YOU NEED PEOPLE MATH AND STATISTICS SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE PAST, THE FUTURE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YOU SHOULD RIP APART A BIRD AND READ IT'S INTESTINES LIKE THEY DID IN PRE-ROMAN TUSCANY"

>>37883895
>fired for investigating
Your misinformation is showing.
Comey was a bigger liar (as well as pedophile) than trump will ever be.
Stay away from broadcast corporation news my friend.

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>>37880610
Original picrelated is original you

>>37880610
History major here, I'm basically a traditionalist.

I believe Nietzsche wrote there were 3 types of students of history; those who enjoy ancient material things, those that hate the age they live in, and those who are critics of history.
That's my simplification of what was actually said, but from that alone you should be able to understand why history, even as a major is actually filled with crypto-fascists such as myself.

People that get into history because they read pseudo-empiricist crap of people like Hobsbawm or structuralist mumbojumbo of Foucault, are rare.
.
Love for stories and everything old, as well as respect for those that came before, is what drives someone to become a historian.

Yes, people do try to force you into using marxist dialectics, and they do try to make you into a sociologist, they promote "mixing of scientific methods" and "historical materialism", but unlike other liberal arts, history is far older than marxism, and was born out of poetry, not out of communist propaganda.

Only female historians are able to convert and see history as oppression olympics timeline, but that's because women have no sense of honour, nor do they respect history, since it lacks female presence.

In truth, only history can teach you about what humanity is, other humanities are but means of social engineering of the modern era. The people behind them, mindless puppets of their respective ideologies like to claim that history is written by victors, yet at the same time do not understand how small and pathetic they are in comparison to those same victors.

Their hubris and general lack of long-term vision of their own destiny and future makes them subjects of history.

Humanity doesn't change. No matter how much you want it to change, it never does, and it never will. Historians take the black pill and embrace pragmatism, ideologists cannot do it. That is why history majors and leftism don't work together well.

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>>37880610
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1498004421606.webm

I majored in history

Definitely am conservative.

Most of my peers weren't though, most were women and feminists to boot. Not sure about this theory.

>>37882117
How? Commies don't even believe in the existence of history.

>>37885247
What's funny is I'm almost 30 and have probably both been longer here than you and have a higher IQ than you for being a left winger.

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Everyone I disagree with is either literally hitler or regressive scum reeeeeeeee

>>37888019
>all communists are the same

>>37880610
We know the past was better.

>>37880610
those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it

>>37888764
In some ways it was but not for conservatism.

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>>37888019
>"the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles"

>>37881412
>understanding history
>being a neo-nazi
pick one

>>37888785
Who wouldn't want to do that?

but really anons dont get a history degree, they are utterly worthless for finding any meaningful employment. youll never get to discuss the wonders of conservatism when your making barely min wage.
t. 26 unemployed fatass with a history degree.

>>37888785
see my post here >>37884669 and be actually red pilled so you can stop spouting shit they tought you in school.

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>>37880610
>go through high school as a borderline marxist-leninist
>now halfway through my history degree
>ideology is mainly centrist, with a slight emphasis towards libertarian values

I don't know anon, I don't know.