/25+/ Thread

>>37664985
You seem to be confused. Everyone on this board has had sex plenty of times. No one here can relate. Sorry.

>>37665546
thanks for the bump
oregano peterpano

>28

>still live with mom

> still dont know how to drive

>>37664985
>19
>has gf
>has had sex plenty
>still sad and want to die
what makes you think the only point to life is women and sex, especially if you're 25
grow up a little

>>37665615
This is a 25+ thred

>>37665615

Sex is like air; it's only a big deal when you're not getting any.

All the virgins here think when they get laid everything's gonna be perfect. They don't have a fucking clue. Shit, even Chris-Chan got laid, do you think his life's measurably better?

>>37665673
Yeah but I nees to feel better about having a horse faced gf

>>37665689
I wish I could do this but I still live at home and my mom is nosy as fuck.

I might do a sex tourism thing once I save enough money though.

>>37665689
I had sex with a prostitute, but I don't feel like it counts.... What about love, a connection, feelings...

>>37665673
well considering im 6 years younger than most of the demographic here I'd consider taking my advice since I obviously figured it out before you did, get the fuck off 4chan, get a job (if you dont have one) make a dating profile on like e harmony get your FUCKING licenses for fucks sake and quit being such a sad sack of shit.
Women dont want some sad fucking loser with no job who cant even drive to get to a date. Man the fuck up.

>>37665744
You still have to find a gf, but modern women will dump you on the spot if you can't rock their world the first time you fuck, so learning how to put your dick in a pussy without cumming in 5 seconds is critical.

holy shit reading about what you guys think is important and essentially to life is fucking pathetic

>>37665813
why is wanting a gf so pathetic? especially if its the social norm to NOT be a virgin at 25? I mean, I won't kill myself because of it, but I still feel like I'm lacking something in my life

>>37665750
>gettin lectured by some young scrub

Get out of here

>>37665615
>>37665704

No offense but you both don't belong here, things like sex aren't really as important as people around here make you believe it is. Its just the lowest form of self pity for a man to not getting any, just like not getting a job or similar things.

Point being me or OP have much bigger issues in general that you simply don't know about, evident by your experiences.

>>37667312

I'd agree with this if r9k was anything resembling what it use to be

the 'secret club' mentality doesn't hold much weight on a site with massive traffic and low quality posts

>30+
>mind rotted away from a decade of 4chan and memes
>wagecuck
>only pleasure in life is smashing chad's, stacy's and norman's heavy luggage as hard as I can onto the ground before loading into airplane containers
>frequently 'forget' to load bags that come late af since it means that cunt checked in at the last possible moment
>take care to smash luggage with 'fragile' stickers even harder
>when bored check flight manifests of passengers
>Chad Hung traveling to Miami with extra weight bags
>expand_dong
>send Chad Thundercock's two oversized duffel bags to Rio de Janeiro instead

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>29
>people my age are getting married and having babies and buying their own homes
meanwhile
>I haven't had sex in 2+ years
>I haven't had a real relationship in 5+ years
>renting a shitty studio apartment
>working a dead end job

>>37668594

this brings you catharsis?

>>37668594
I want this to be true.

>coworkers all have friends abroad who let them stay there
>they often go to vacations all over europe with almost all expenses spared
I can't help but feel jealous.

commented in another thread, but my hair has grown pretty long, so I have to go to a hairdresser. Upon checking on a mirror I realized my hairline has receded again (ddin't notice as the hair was falling over it). As if being a manlet and dicklet wasn't punishment enough, I'll be going bald as well.
For me the worst thing about getting older is seeing your body going to shit.

>>37668718
I also noticed I don't look as youthful as I used to. Wrinkles appear, face looks tired. Oh well...

>>37668629
>I haven't had sex in 2+ years
Kill yourself, normalfag. Why do you have to butt in every thread?

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>>37665750
Whew boy... see you in 6 years

>>37668651
I despise modern society. Privileged pampered cunts who buy new matching sets of luggage every couple of years. LV or Gucci bags lined with felt or fur. I always take care to leave those at the bottom of the container with the weight of 10 more on top of them and they will be the last to be unloaded. You can always tell what kind of people have saved up a long time for this vacation and I treat these normally. But pampered Stacies and Chads deserve what little inconvenience I can met out since to them I am nothing anyway. Once they check in their luggage I may as well be a robot, they certainly don't think about me, some stupid wagecuck getting paid minimum wage for back breaking work.

>>37668718
>>37668758
botox and hair grafts. i've already started botox - it's pretty nice. i wont be going back to not having it

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27yo cyborg reporting in

Guys, I think I have a chance to escape this place. I started Jordan Petersons self authoring (why haven't you sorted yourself out yet?) and started hangin out with a qt grill.

I've been given hope that I can get a real (or at least better) job, move out, and start to manage my depression.

>>37665750
On the offchance this isn't bait and you really are this young and gullible, consider this. No one here gives a fuck about your 'advice'. The true robots here don't want a woman. They hate themselves and hate everything about life. Why would they bare their souls on some e dating scam?

>>37668988
>cyborg
aka normalfag trying to fit in

>>37668988
>why haven't you sorted yourself out yet
because it's pointless
my genetics and family already determined that I would be a failure in life
The only sorting out I'll be doing is hanging myself

>27yo couch potato since 2010 on tendiebux [ 733usd a month ]
>do nothing but the chans and wank
should i volunteer at the local ymca to sit at the welcome desk and scan cards for an hour?

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>>37669058
No time like the present, anon

>>37665589
peterpan? because you never grow up?

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I'm 26 and just lost my virginity to a hooker.
She was pretty cheap, so we did it in the alley.

Got a fast "just the tip" blowjob (pretty lame), regular fucking doggystyle (it was okay, I expected more) and a handjob for finish, because I need way longer time to finish than the regular hooker-going Joe.
Honestly the handjob was the best part, because I was playing with her breasts and she was resting on my shoulder after a while ( it was a pretty long handjob).

For the people here, i won't really recommend it. It's nice for a new experience, but you will get even more depressed after a while if you think about these stuff too much.
For it to work you need to be more practical and less emotional. And also to not live in a totalitarian state.

Regular masturbation with great porn is still the best option for losers.

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>>37664985
>Wageslave from 8 to 5
>Come home around 6.30
>Eat and shower
>Want to play video games or watch some movies/anime
>too tired
>sleep
>do this 5 times per week


this is my cycle of life

>>37669322
I agree

the second time I went to a hooker I couldn't get errect. the whole situation just made me sad

>>37665797
this is why you need to eat that pussy for 15, add some fingers in rythem to your tongue licking the clit, curl your fingers up like you're making the "come over here" gesture, it should feel like your fingertips are rubbing against a bumpy texture.

do this while you make circles on the clit with your tongue, some girls prefer left to right over and over because you can do it faster and it's harder to fuck up and you can put a bit more power into it.

if you do this right, you should be able to feel her getting wet very quickly, she should respond very well to this, maybe even squirt at this point,

this is the point you want to put your dick in, 75% of the work in done at this point and you can then ride it out for 15 mins then when you feel you can't take it anymore, go all out for the last minute or 2.

foolproof guide

>>37665873
>>37665813

some of these things are, it's like, bitching about it online like it's not your own fault is sad. chances are there isn't much actually stopping you, unless you're literally 2/10.

>>37669322
Hey lets boast about "how long we last" but do it subtlety with a fake hooker story. Calm down kid. If that was true enjoy Chlamydia

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>27
>trans
>abuse painkillers and alcohol
>suck and fuck random guys so they'll pretend to like me
>probably going to be dead before 30
>only thing keeping me going is the next video game that looks worthwhile
I'm not sure I'm holding up at all.

>>37669374
Get the fuck out, normalfag. Jesus.

>>37669364
>this entire post
did you just copy this from some pickup artists blog on how to make a girl cum?

>>37669392
Normal people don't abuse drugs and have sex with complete strangers in public bathrooms because they secretly want to get AIDS and die

>>37669417
>have sex
You aren't a robot either.

>>37669322
t. humble bragging failed normie

>>37669431
Having sex with a fat drunk loser doesn't disqualify you because pretty much anybody can do it. Literally just go to a gay bar and ask the ugliest guy there if he wants to fuck in the bathroom. he will say yes

>>37669364
some of these things are, it's like, bitching about it online like it's not your own fault is sad. chances are there isn't much actually stopping you, unless you're literally 2/10.

I know what's stopping me, and talking about it from time to time just feels good, especially since it is even common on this board and I don't really have anyone else to talk about it. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this.

for example, I lack the self confidence and I know what the reason for that is. I have bad teeth, but I'm in the process of getting them fixed. It will be expensive, but I have saved up for this. This will take a long time, like 2-3 years until they are done, what am I supposed to do in the meantime? I'm trying to be more open and out going, but I just can't, it just too big of an issue for me

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>>37664985
>23
>khhv

I still have two years, right anon ?
We are all gonna make it.

>>37669374
>only thing keeping me going is the next video game that looks worthwhile
so you're tying the noose as we speak?

>>37669476
so flip the situation around
I'm a straight guy
Is there a bar where I can ask the ugliest woman for sex and she'll say yes? Not unless I oay for it which shows you are a normie. Women and trans can't be robots since you can have sex for free anytime

>>37668917
>I always take care to leave those at the bottom of the container with the weight of 10 more on top of them and they will be the last to be unloaded
ngl this made me smile. i think it's so disgusting and wasteful to spend 1-2k on luggage that's going to be treated like shit

>>37669371
>>37669441

Actually it's great if you last longer if you're normal person, with with a cute girlfriend and a great life.

For a loser like me it's fucking shit, because the hooker will just get annoyed after 10 minutes and shit will get awkward.
The other option is going to "escort", but these whores are barely above normal hookers and are 5 times as expensive. I'm a poorfag.

Also if you last longer and you're loser, even watching porn regularly is pain in the ass.
And try that shit for a longer time with your mother in the next room.

Finishing in 2-5 minites is fucking amazing and the true ROBOT way.

>>37669543
I already found a new one to latch onto. A bullet hell dev I like announced a prequel to their last game. But I am going to get fucked up after I fix my grandma's computer tonight.
>>37669560
It doesn't matter if you're straight, I'm not talking about fucking women, I'm talking about fucking men. Any guy can go to a gay bar and have sex with some fat guy there. You are trying to compare what I did to something completely different. That's like calling me a normie for riding a bus into the city because you're not fit enough to ride your bike that far.

>>37669594
>I'm not talking about fucking women, I'm talking about fucking men
Except you can't do it if you're straight.
You can't relate to robots; you are not a robot. Go humble brag somewhere else, normalfag.

>>37669613
Yes you can. You're just not trying hard enough.

>>37669476
>talk to randoms.
IDK dude, you sound pretty normal to me.
Just get out

>>37669594
the real analogy is that we both have bikes, but I only have one leg. I am at a massive disadvantage

>>37669669
It's pretty easy when it's just two words.
>dude
Don't.

>>37669363

Maybe try escort if you have money. But a really good when you can do anything you want to her.

I won't do it, because honestly, the more money you pay for this shit, the more you feel like a fucking loser. But it may work for you.

>>37669689
No, the real analogy is I'm telling you it's easy to do one thing and you're complaining you can't do another thing. No wonder nobody loves you.

>>37669694
Nobody wants you here, "dude." Fuck off to /lgbt/.

>>37669723
I'll leave if you kill yourself.

>>37669744
>telling robots to kill themselves
Proof that you don't belong here.

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hkv?
home kucked virgin?

>>37669715
please explain a situation where a man can walk into a bar and have sex with any woman (any in the sense of at least one and probably the ugliest) without having to pay for it or being incredibly lucky

>>37669756
I would say it's proof I do belong here. Normal people get stupid and mushy about suicide even if they hated the person. I want everyone to die.
>>37669762
Logical fallacy because I literally am not talking about that. I hope your mother cuts your fucking throat you dumb piece of shit. Kill yourself in the most violent way possible.

>>37669760
kys newfag

>>37669779
>I want everyone to die
ouch the edge.

>>37669779
except you are the definition of a normie
an edgy normie but a normie all the same
just leave, no one wants you here

26 here.

Literally did nothing but shitpost and watch Power Rangers today.

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>>37669795
HKV = Hurricane Katrina Victim?

>28
>married
>stable, yet dead end job
>dad passed away
>moving back in with mom to help out

>>37664985
I hit the wall around 18-19 severely fucked myself by having 20 yrs of social isolation not really interacting with anyone other than going getting grub and getting my hair trimmed other than that I have not socialized with people for that long

>>37668770
>>37668629
In some ways, never having sex is better than having it regularly and then suddenly having it dry up.

I lost my virginity when I was 21 to a slutty friend from my high school. Let's call her Laura. At first it was a very forceful series of pity fucks ("You haven't had sex, like not even the tip? Are you kidding me? Aren't you almost 22? Come to my place. Tonight. We'll fix that") but we gradually morphed into friends with benefits and fucked once or twice a week or so (she was also having sex with other people on the side). That lasted about a year until she got a really cool boyfriend and decided to de-slutify herself. She didn't want to cheat on him, and thus ended my supply of sex. I figured "ha! I'm not a virgin anymore. It will be easy to get girls now, I have experience! Especially if Laura gives me tips and introduces me to people" .

I went around looking for two years before just giving up. It turns out that I'm kind of socially awkward and have a tendency to alienate women. Couldn't even find someone in Laura's circle of sluts who wanted to have sex with me. Even more frustrating, when they all asked her if she had sex with me, she lied and said "no, I'm just trying to help him find a girl", as if it was some great shame to admit otherwise. It was as if she thought of our year in the bedroom as a huge mistake. We eventually had a falling out and don't realy talk anymore.

I'm going to be 27 in a week and honestly think I would have been happier as a virgin. As it stands, I have just been defiled by a very slutty girl with a kill count well into the double digits. Used and thrown away. That, to me, is worse than keeping it pure until marriage (TM)

Better than last week, didnt cry yet...I did kind of...I know I strayed from the ways of the robot but I told a girl I like her...I know I will be shamed for this and probably exiled from /r9k/ but it was going well with her until I said that...she said that she likes me but her parents wont allow us to date
>No need for Chris Hansen we are both 16

>>37669945
>dude having loved and lost is worse than never having loved at all!
>writes a textwall
we get normies like you literally every day. Hang yourself.

>> >>37669945
Please give me advice OP or any anon who can help

>>37669925
dont give up anon,
i was under isolation myself, i was addicted to WoW, only time i went out was when i had to go school. eventually i dropped out, at the age of 18. the i was a neet until 21. now i'm 25 and my life is somewhat back and track. you will never be a normie, but at least we can try. dont give up

>>37664985

I'm 49 -probably older than your dad- and I'm virgin.

But I kissed a girl -my first and only gf- a lot of times, between June 1995 and early August 1997.

We had literally zero sex action (because religion) but sometimes I got a glimpse of her bra strap.

Sometime after 30 every virgin stops being obsessed with sex and realizes that a single tiny kiss -a sincere one, not the usual habit of those having regular sex- from someone you love, makes you happy. More than a fucking orgasm, that by definition lasts a very few seconds and at most leaves some memory.

Nothing compares to romance, true romance, pure love. I'll turn 50 in six months and I miss that walking hand in hand and getting an unexpected kiss.

Sex is no more than an overrated meme for faggots living like beasts.

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I got my first gf a couple of months ago but due to my autism and insecurities she said "this won't work". She was in my league and not a roastie due to religion. Funny how she still wants to be "friends" because she feels "comfortable" with me.

30 years old, still a wizard/cyborg because i never fucked her. Now i know i am too autistic for reproduction, still fapping like crazy to my perfect 2D.

>>37668594
this is one of those moments I'm happy I never travel by plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwVVySDC38A
Thread theme

>>37665750
>I obviously figured it out before you did, get the fuck off 4chan, get a job (if you dont have one) make a dating profile on like e harmony get your FUCKING licenses for fucks sake and quit being such a sad sack of shit.

But I own two houses and am still a 33 yer old virgin.

>>37670046
>thread theme
go back to redd1t

>>37664985

it seems to be alright. Things get better every day desu... sure there's that crushing weight of existentialism.. but then I just dive into a hobby or a goal or something and really find enjoyment in that whole process.

Came out of this whole ride so far with a few scars but I'm not too bad.

i'm barely 20 but i feel 25 so i think i'm welcome in these threads.

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Has anyone else become so depressed they have started forgetting to eat?

I should say, I used to be fat as fuck. I was 340lbs one year ago but now I am 280lbs. It isn't through any effort of my own.

I am just so pathetic that I forget to eat anything at lest 3 times a week now, I don't even think about it. I work at McDonalds and have done for 8 years (I am 33). I just forget to eat. Working at McDonalds has probably saved my life because seeing the happy fat children reminds me that food is necessary.

I am pathetic though. I still live at home. I have even told my parents to please remind me to eat but they want me to die, so they painted the fridge the same color as the wallpaper so I wouldn't see it and continue to starve myself.

HHKV btw

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>>37669998

Hello Finbro, let's be sorry sacks of shit together.

Zutto, zutto isshou ni iru!

>>37670487
>probably saved my life
>starve myself
>340lbs to 280lbs

you're a fat fuck and your body is trying to save you before you have a heart attack at 35.

also saved your life, what? people can go over a year without eating anything

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>my friends are having kids while i'm a HKV

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>>37664985
Why don't you guys get hookers?
That's what I've been doing the last year.

It's not that hard really, if you do it right, you can plausibly deny it at every moment until sex.

Let me explain:

Go on backpage.com
Go to massages
Find an Asian one that is obviously suggestive.
Go there and get a "massage".

If you were to be questioned by law enforcement at any time you can just say you were getting a massage.

You guys are so hung up on sex, just fucking get it over with. What are you holding out for? Someone special? At your age the chick is just going to think you are a weirdo for being virgin.

Just go fuck a hooker you fags.

>>37670554
>what is anxiety
Fuck off.

>>37670554
people want a real connection, not a nasty chink who has touched thousands of dicks for $50 ea

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>>37670568
I'm diagnosed with General anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, and panic disorder. I very likely have much greater anxiety problems than you do.

I take a xanax beforehand so I chill out a bit. Works great.

You are making excuses.

>>37670630
I can't help it if I'm diagnosed weird meds and not xanax. The point still stands that I couldn't get hard if I got naked in front of a stranger. In fact, I'd get such an anxiety attack that I could barely speak. Go spread your normie propaganda in some other thread.

>>37670627
>people want a real connection

You aren't going to get that from normal sex either. You people are to hung up on that shit like some 15 year old girls disney fantasy about sex. Sex pretty much sucks half the time. It makes you self concious, sometimes you suck at it. Sometimes the chick isn't that hot or good at it.

You need to just do it so you can get over your mental hangups and have a healthier mind.

>>37669996
>I'm 49 -probably older than your dad- and I'm virgin.
my dad is 63.

congrats on almost being a grand wizard

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>>37670662
>I can't help it if I'm diagnosed weird meds and not xanax

Sounds like your doctor is fucking you over.

>The point still stands that I couldn't get hard if I got naked in front of a stranger

I only get semihard at best, but they just jack you off anyways and it's great.

You are being a pussy.

>>37670684
>You aren't going to get that from normal sex either
>Sex pretty much sucks half the time.
says you the person going to asian whores. sex isn't everything

>>37670553

>my friend is a loser like me, but he turned into a boring wageslave

I know the guy since I was a kid, he is my only portal left for a normal human interaction. But damn, he is talking only about his shitty job and his boring colleagues all the time.

I may drop him and die a hermit. But I may regret it later.
Do people here regret it after cutting connections with friends?

>>37669925
>>37669986
How do you feel knowing you wasted your teens and part of youth? I honestly feel like shit, i never experienced teen love and had friends because of this vidya addiction. I literally threw 7 seven years of my life into the trash. It hurts so much.

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>27
>depression back in full swing
>be half assing my exams
>get Cs and Bs
>today Bioorganic Chemistry exam
>started studying today, don't understand shit, just memorize everything
>all in all went quite okay
>mfw life just won't give me a wake up call and I hate myself for getting all those undeserved grades while feeling like complete garbage with 0 motivation to do anything

>>37665750
How retarded are you? Did you not read what OP said? Learn to follow directions before trying to lecture anyone you little shit.

>>37669945
>In some ways, never having sex is better than having it regularly and then suddenly having it dry up.
Stopped reading. Literally kill yourself.

>>37664985
>25
>cant relate to all the stupid kids around
>cant relate to the retards who want a safe space for themselves but also want it to be popular and with multiple post while getting everyone who isnt like them banned because they are very few people and get drowned into tha userbase of this board but their own board wich is exactly that is too slow because there isnt enough people
>dont hate normies
>dont get along with them at all either
>neither happy nor depressed
>no way to fix my shit, no reason to either
>so fucking tired of this shit

>>37669374
I rarely see trans girls near my age. When you did you start transitioning and do you pass? How has your transitiongone with aging?

>>37670866
>Do people here regret it after cutting connections with friends?

I cut off all my friends when high school ended because they wanted to go out all the time and I just wanted to be a recluse and play WoW.

Even though I had no interest in what they wanted to do, I regret it now simply because it fucking sucks having no one to talk to for so long and any friendships you make when you're older are too shallow

I have my dream job now and I keep fucking it up with my depressive mood swings.
>tfw almost a year behind on a project
>gone two full months without being productive
>enemies are getting ahead of me in my hiatus
>job is time sensitive, so I'm essentially wasting money daily

I just want to slip into my bed for a year and call it quits on life

>>37670964
>How do you feel knowing you wasted your teens and part of youth?

it's difficult. sometimes, I wish that my parents were more strict with me, I wish they took away my computer, forced me to do well in school. Of course I abused their niceness and just played WoW all day long. But I can't blame them, I can't blame me, we both didn't know better. They just wanted me to be happy.

It sucks, like you said, I didn't have a teenage love, I didn't have the normie teen age life at all, I missed out on everything.

What helps me to deal with it:
Nobody gives a shit about you if you're going to cry and give up. People don't care, they will go on with their life, even if you kill yourself.

I know it sounds pathetic, but what currently drives me in life is to 'get back' to all the people who thought I was going to be a failure in life. I want to be better than them. I was overweight, now I'm fit, been lifting for three years straight. I was shit at school, dropped out, I went back to school and got my college degree, now I'm studying law.

I'm still a social retard, but I'm working on it

>>37671318
>forced me to do well in school.
That's not how it works. I had paren't who yelled at me when I got a C.
Result? Terrible performance anxiety up the the point where I can't even think straight and procastination when forced with difficult material. I have a bit of a handle on it now, but it's far too late.

>>37669961
>fuckbuddies
>love

You have a really fucked up definition of love.

>>37670964
I did much the same thing. From the age of 16 until I was about 25 I just treated life like it was a giant vidya and anime session. It hurts if you think about it, and I know this sounds gay, but you just have to keep your eyes on the road ahead. If you keep thinking about the past that could have been, you compromise the future that could be.

>>37671529
>still here
You're not a robot. Stop polluting the place.

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>was NEET for 2 years
>managed, by some miracle, to get a job
>couldn't keep up with the hours, constantly exhausted and spending every free moment in bed
>quit after 2 months
>back to being a NEET again

>>37671529
dude its not about the act itself.

you are social enough, attractive enough, confident enough to attract a girl that agrees to have unconditional sex with you.

fuckin gtfo here normie you dont belong here

I've sent a resume and I'm going to apply for a couple other odd jobs. I need to make some money to get my shit together.

I'm starting to come in terms with the fact that wasted time is wasted and I can't just hurry up and catch-up.

I'm probably going to graduate at 27, but at least if things work out I'll be in good shape by that time.
Meaning not fat or desperate or completely penniless. I'm going to go back to a normal weight, do some cardio, get a car license, get my English proficiency qualification, and finally study to prepare for the kind of job I will get after graduation, and not for my dream job that I clearly cannot have anymore, and possibly never could.

I'm technically ""studying"", and by that I mean I pass 1-2 courses per semester max. I'm going to simply ignore uni for another year because it's not my first priority right now. When/if I get my shit together I'm going to study more seriously if I choose to or if it's any good to me.

>>37668594
i hate the airport too dude
hope you take care to throw the bags extra hard while you're on duty next time

>>37671637
this

just fuck off
>>>/reddit/
>>>/b/
>>>/gofuckyourself/

>>37671708
Im 25. we're in a similar spot. I have gotten my shit together a little bit over past few months. Swap notes and group help?

>tfw 31 years old and live with my mum
>chronically unemployed, friendless virgin due to autism
>was mostly able to deal with being an outcast by masturbating multiple times per day to keep my mind off the crushing emptiness
>libido slowly starting to fade due to age
>only able to enjoy masturbation by abusing stimulants now
>ran out of adhd meds to abuse recently
>seriously considering ordering some methamphetamine off the darknets
>know it will probably take a serious toll on my health
>not even sure if I care since my life has no value anyway and the alternative is suicide

>30
>finally quit facebook
>happily NEET again

facebook is cancer guys.

>>37671708
>27
Wew lad, I'm graduating at 31.

>25
>live with parents
>Earn minimum wage
>But I love my job
>And I have a sexy 21yo loli qt gf who loves sucking my cock, and doing kinky stuff

>>37671952
Fuck off with this bait, normalfag.

>>37669067

Ya go volunteer anon

>>37671969
are you jealous much?

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>32
>Moving home next month to take care of sick mother
>Studying for A+ and Network+ certs but there's a negative voice telling me it's too late to have a new career
>Male bio clock is going off, keep having dreams about having a daughter. Wish I could just have a kid with a friend or be a widower, like the idea of parenting but not being married
>Main hobbies are hiking and 80's/90's anime

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>>37665704
>Chris-chan
>the perma-wizard
>the lolcow
>the faggot
>getting laid
>ever
unless he fucked a dude like the huge faggot he is i don't see how this is not bait

>>37672009
unfunny faggot much?

I've posted here before I'm 25 and suffering from autoimmune inflammatory diseases that are spreading throughout my body. I'm trying so hard to make it through tech school but everybody including my family thinks I'm a lazy piece of shit. I know when I graduate they won't help me get any kind of job and I'm going to get thrown on the streets. My parents are disgusted by me and think I actually want to stay with them til they die and take their house and all their money. The reality is that I can't stand how they hated me before I was sick and hate me even more now, so why would I want to live with them?

Despite the fact that I'm trying my best to pick up the pieces after this disease ruined my already shit life nobody gives me a break. Everybody thinks I'm just sitting around in vacation mode 24/7 but all I do at home is sit around and cry or just nervously attempt to read a book and not get through a single page. I was really intent on suicide but my little sister still loves me and I heard a recording of a 911 call of a sister finding her big brother dead from suicide and I just cannot do that to her. However I have no idea how I am going to proceed. I tried calling social security to look into benefits but they just kept me on hold for almost an hour and hung up on me.

It's gotten to a point that the emotional pain has outgrown the physical pain. I am disgusted by the way my parents treat me. I treat strangers better than they treat me. I bought my dad dinner tonight out of my savings and when we sat down to eat it he screamed at me about how I'm a stupid piece of shit and how he was on his own when he was my age and that if I don't get a job right out of school then he's kicking me the fuck out. I have managed to live through this for 2 years but I just cannot take it anymore but I don't know what to do. I have no friends, nobody to talk to, nowhere to go and I just cannot bring myself to commit suicide.

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>>37664985
>31
>Morbidly Obese
>Been working on it since Jan
>Working on Physics PHD
>Never held another girl's hand
>Once or twice a year I get a fucking urge to go try and play the field.
>Goes on for a week or so until I Remind myself that thanks to my dad beating my mom and me with a wrench, I have an 80% chance of doing the same thing to any possible family I make
>I just want to finish my PHD and go wallow in my bed as I wait for death

>>37672073
Physics PhD fag reporting in

>>37671887
Ya u should buy some meth anon

>>37672070

Not to presume anything here, but have you actually been diagnosed with this immune disorder professionally and do your parents actually know?

It seems odd to me that they'd be this unsympathetic unless there was something else going on here.

>>37672458
They do know and they "know people who have it that are doing fine." They just blame me for all of their problems, have an extreme lack of empathy, and place an extremely high value on success. They are throwing my sister by the wayside as well because she is having problems in school. The only one of their children they love is my brother who is a massively successful athlete. They just think I am a piece of garbage and tell me so regularly. There are plenty of emotionally abusive people who hate their children.

>>37672070
Parent can be horrible pieces of shit.
What's the disease? If you can manage a job, save and get away from your asshole parents asap.
Unless you're about to graduate your school in a year or so, fuck that and focus on not being treated like garbage.

>>37669779
>kill yourself
You're more likely to do that than me, my dude

>>37672070
i would legit give you a place to stay if i was an american, your story resonates with me

>>37673406
>four hours lateg

>fat. i need to shed 10 lbs that make me look like im 40 lbs overweight, i have no fat in upper body but my lower body is horrendous
>do better this year, this is a good year. i feel more responsible,cleaner. got a small gig to mop floors in the morning
>need to seriously kick my smoking habit, im afraid its gonna kill me but i go nuts if i don't smoke for 2 days
>i made my own youtube tutorial series which is coming along slowly. but im gonna tutor some guy for cash over skype and maybe it will bring more opportunities
>try to workout outside but i feel like im being watched all the time because of my weight
>im getting good on the acoustic guitar. but i stop learning new songs and just play rivers of babylon because its easy
>i don't know where my life will take me. i suffer from anger & anxiety issues that overwhelm me
>my libido has skyrocket because of my routine and diet, i need to fap every 4 hours or so. it makes me angry
>no direction in life, have about 10k saved up - hope it will turn alright

>>37673341
I have severe crohn's disease that immediately spread to arthritis. Lupus runs in my family and it's looking like I will get it since nobody else got sick this young. I'm in a lot of pain day to day and I really don't know how im gonna work when I graduate but I'm gonna try.
>>37673417
Thank you so much, if we were in the same country I would take you up on it for sure but the kind words really mean a lot.

>>37665704
Chris-Chan probably hired a prostitute

I think I am noticing a trend here. Barring other major disfigurements most of you are overweight

>>37673511
>parents give you the most shit genetics they can
>hate you for it

amazing

>>37673762
No shit. With this kind of life you're guaranteed to be overweight, although many of anons claim to be skeletals too.

desu even when I wasn't overweight it didn't matter, being so socially isolated for so long had taken it's toll.
Some acquaintance (a girld) spontaneously offered to fix me up with her friend, and even some gal tried to hit on me and start a conversation in the bus, but it doesn't work. I was preemptively rejecting everyone and was paranoid about their intentions.

I was also piss poor and couldn't afford to go out, and while I reconnected with some of my old friends they were broke too and we would not go to bars or parties with women, it was usually just a sausage fest.

And if you don't have friends, even if you're looking fine people can see you're emotionally needy and reject you. So yeah being overweight is part of the problem but not the only problem.

>>37673762
I've been skinny my whole life. My biggest problem is and was having a fucked up face. People make a judgement of you in the first 10 seconds which is majorly decided by your face.

>>37673919
>being overweight is part of the problem but not the only problem.
This guy speaks wisdom.

>>37671952
>>But I love my job

tell me more

bump fjalwiefouh

>>37673511
I have ulcerative colitis and even though i'm not doing as bad as you I feel like shit 90% of the time and wish someone would kill me. I am one of the ones someone would describe as "doing fine"

>>37673543

He did. Original comment 5000 extreme deluxe edition.

>>37673543
>>37675886
hell that's part of my retirement plan

one day im just gonna drive west to colorado and start living there, spending all my saved up money on weed, alcohol, cigarettes, acid, dmt, shrooms, whatever fun drugs i can get my hands on. once i've only got a little money left i'm going to go to a NV brothel and give away the v-card. once i have no more money... well, you know.

>>37664985
Doing pretty good, anon. Going to work tomorrow, got invited over for Father's Day dinner with the family, going to probably see some friends this weekend. So on and such forth.

>>37675982
if any of you have been wagecucks and haven't come up with a retirement plan, i definitely recommend it. i always thought i'd die young and my arbitrary age is coming up in a few years. feels good to just accept that you have an out.

>>37664985
>had to listen to younger co-workers talk about how they lost their virginity in their teens
>26 and still a khv

anyday, God will deliver me from this world

>drop out at 14
>fuck around being a complete junkie and degenerate for 8 years
>finally get GED at 22
>first wagecuck job is washing dishes
>second wagecuck job is cook
>third wagecuck job data entry
>fourth wagecuck job customer service
>fifth wagecuck job administrative assistant
>sixth wagecuck job tech support
>seventh wagecuck job customer support again
>eighth wagecuck job admin assistant again
>ninth wagecuck job bookkeeping
>tenth wagecuck job accounts receivable accountant
>eleventh wagecuck job auditor
>twelfth and current wagecuck job title is actually "Technologist"
>Glorified tech support earning a $95k salary just for helping execs with their Outlook and PowerPoint
Still ugly as shit manlet who can't talk to people and I keep telling myself I'll go to college one day but it seems like I'll be doing it more for the world than for myself at this point if that makes sense. Stupid fucking inferiority complex.

>>37676181
Sounds like you get paid a lot to do nothing.

Honestly, that is a step below NEETdom.

>>37676181
>$95k salary
>still not a human being
lol just kys. once a junkie always a junkie.

>>37671909
You had a job at Goybook?

>>37668594
I remember you

Guess i better avoid airports in the eastern states? Or was it at perth airport.

>>37676354
Nah it's a European hub airport

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>>37668917
You are doing great work comrade.

I don't know if you have enough energy to do stuff after work, but if you already don't, please read books, at least so you get to the point where you can see what is wrong with society and really understand why, because it is not that hard to get.

The links for the books below are recommended.
Sorry if you already read those, but as a famous person said "I separate my education from my schooling", and seeing that not that many people take the extra step from schooling to education, and instead settle for something less than what they actually deserve, it does not hurt to remind.

>>37669490
Having huge problem with self esteem, confidence and so on, it is important to keep in mind that rejection you face has nothing to do with you as a person. Rejection simply means that the other person is not interested in that sort of relationship right now. To think they are somehow invested in making you feel shitty by specifically somehow targeting you in their rejection is insane, and I beat myself up over the fact that I believed that rejection that I had (one) was an indication that I am fundamentally worthless person.

>>37668988
While Jordan Peterson makes a lot of sense when it comes to a mind of one human being, he is wrong about other things.

Namely the structures and networks of people, and networks and structures of economic production and analysis of them.

For the economic production, Peter Kropotkin, russian scientist from 19th century and his book Conquest of Bread offers accurate analysis of how people form groups to survive.
https://libgen.pw/view.php?id=359740

To understand why certain people will want you to believe idealistic abstractions divorced from the material reality, instead of arguing in a materialistic manner which does not shy away from unpleasant realities of our universe, following books are a great Philosophy 101 books.

https://libgen.pw/view.php?id=1491500
https://libgen.pw/view.php?id=1015601

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>27
>drawing disability from physical illness
>live alone
>depressed even though monthly check and gf
>cooking gives me solace

it's hard to relate to anyone bros

>>37677490
I have started being more interested in philosophy lately so thank you. And although I use libgen and have an account on bibliotik, lately I'm more interested in having physical copies of books so what I do is hit up abebooks and buy them secondhand. So far it's mostly been books on computer science and mathematics but as I've said I'd like to extend this to philosophy. Digital media just feels so cheap and disposable.

>>37668988
>Jordan Peterson

I cleaned my apartment. But somehow this hasn't solved my problems.

22 here. What do when you don't feel joy for stuff you liked before, oldbots? I tried playing games that teenage me would have loved, watching anime, series, movies, but I just have to drag myself to the end. The stuff I still enjoy doing is studying and playing guitar, but I really wanted to feel that happiness when going through a nice anime, connecting with the characters...

Please, help me. Is it the beginning of depression? I feel like that Plath author says in her book: "trapped in a jar bell, with no hope to get out"

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>>37672073
>>37672287
Another physics phd student faggot reporting in.

Also mad props on working on your obesity. Hell in my opinion the obesity is more important than the phd.

Also if you read the book No More Mr. Nice Guy, it is outlined why you having your needs met and working towards meeting your needs does not imply that you will somehow infringe on others.

You giving up because of some irrational belief is sad. Hell I am even a more of an idiot than you, because of one rejection I resigned myself as worthless and started to believe that no woman would want to be with me so I did not even bother for 5 years before the rejection and 5 years after the rejection.

Let me tell you one thing, you deserve to live a life that you enjoy. Everyone does. The unfortunate part is that everyone has to work for it. And the sad part is that for some it is much harder than for others.

>>37672070
When it comes to tech jobs, every company that needs to make an actual products requires an electronics engineer or mechanical engineer. And programmers that can actually think are also in great demand.

The point is, some things just cannot be bullshitted, and circuits, material and programs are one of those. And you have an edge over others because of your tech school.

>>37677897
what's the back story on the picture?

Just got kicked out. 26. Living in my car for past 60 days. Parents don't seem to care anymore. I use public Wi-Fi to shitpost when I can. Dude was grateful other day and hired me on the spot even though I was partly NEET with little job experience. Is small shop. Told me to just use landry mat. Don't meet much people like that.

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>>37677668
Second hand books are the best. Cheap and you can engage in bibliophilia all you like.

With philosophy, materialistic philosophy is safe, no one will mystify you. With idealistic philosophy, you need to be aware to distinguish who wants to confuse you into believing something that goes against your material interests, and those who are only prisoners of idealistic philosophy, and mean well for you.

And also the issue of someone meaning well yet causing confusion, if not outright detriment to others.

That is why I have been avoiding Plato and Aristotle, while reading up on Democritus and other atomists is just fine.

Life is short and reading something by apologist for any economic exploitation is a waste of time unless there is a specific reason to read that author. The issue is that they are materially invested in that economic exploitation, probably knowing that it hampers the social and technological and scientific progress, but they will not admit it.

>>37677985
look up ohiobot on desuarchive

Some guy thought that his mum has paid a girl to pretend to be his date while in fact the girl was genuine and got money to buy something nice on the date.

It illustrates nicely a self-defeating thought of many and I am grateful that it has been put to light here. Even I have trouble believing that anyone would want to associate with me because they actually want to associate with me, whether it is friendship or something else.

>>37675982
>>37676070
disappointed by lack of interest

>>37678143
what could be a specific reason to read such an author as you mentioned?
A book set as required reading by a university professor? It's sad to think that this actually happens.

Anyone ever feel like their life is just a series of highs and lows? Happy for a week, sad for the next.

It's been like that for me for years. Only now the happiness is getting shorter and the sad spells are longer than ever. I'm feeling the happy peaks less and less but the sad spells are like getting hit by a freight train. I think I'm in a happy peak at the moment, I can't tell anymore, I'm just assuming I am because I've just come out of a shit sad period.

I really don't want my life to be this. Where the best parts of my life aren't good because they're happy, but instead just because there's a short absence of sadness.

Everything else is okay. House with no mortgage, good job, qt wife.

>>37678219
Or to see how they are trying to justify their position.

This is why I forced myself once to read Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom, and it was atrocious.

He avoided ever mentioning that some people own the means of production(the 1%) and other people (the 99%) have no choice but to sell their labour time on the terms dictated by the one percent.

And he assumes that we live in the world that is infinite with infinite resources that anyone has somehow access to and can use them to exchange with anyone regardless of distance.

The limitations of distance and private ownership and clear tendency for large corporacies to turn into monopolies clearly render his statements as false.

>>37669004
>the true robots here don't want a woman
then why do they all describe themselves as KHV, reply to virgin threads or STILL spam tfwnogf?

>>37672056
nigger its been HALF A DECADE since he lost it.

>>37669331
oh dear anon. this is mine too. except somehow i need to also fit in studying for my certificates in there. which i dont. so i feel worse about myself because im not progressing, and then it makes me not want to study even more.

>>37670964
>How do you feel knowing you wasted your teens and part of youth?
Fine, because I am a motherfucking adult now. Being a teen/youth sucks, because you arent free, and no one takes you seriously.

Said I was going to kill myself at work today as a joke (well, sort of) mate laughed it off but a girl I don't speak to much said in the saddest voice please dont.

>TFW think she genuinely meant it too.

>>37665704
Not really. At 23 I had three different women over the course of a year. One lasted around four months. Sex is nothing without intimacy.

>>37669996
>I'm 49
Fucking hell, you are older than my dad.

A relic from the 80s era.

Tell me old one, how was it back then? I fetishize the 80s, as someone born in 92 and never was around for them.

>>37672056
He fucked a hooker before.

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>>37671134
>>cant relate to the retards who want a safe space for themselves but also want it to be popular and with multiple post while getting everyone who isnt like them banned because they are very few people and get drowned into tha userbase of this board but their own board wich is exactly that is too slow because there isnt enough people

>>37665797
>modern women will dump you on the spot if you can't rock their world the first time you fuck
t. someone who has never seen a vagina

>I am 25yo
>brother is 30yo
brother got married this weekend. lots of friends and family from out of state and country fly in for the ceremonies. lots of questions about what I plan to do after I finish college, why I don't have a gf, when I am getting married ("haha as if, right?" :^D)
I have yet to get my brother an official wedding present and I am not even that broke right now. I didn't dance. I didn't give a speech. I didn't even get that drunk.

At least the pictures came out nice?

30 here.

Have a happy, healthy relationship but going absolutely nowhere professionally. Make enough money for groceries and rent and thats about it. I look at job advertisements and get depressed, because I'm not remotely qualified and even if I can bullshit my way to the job interview it falls apart there.

>>37668594
YOU. I remember you from another another 25+ thread. I had a heary laugh the first time you said what you do for fun because you made it out to all be about one man called norman. It made me genuinely laugh when I realised you meant normies in general, not one man called norman you torment.

>>37679262
What the fuck

Are you the child of a single mother?

My dad is 60 and i was born in '93

>>37668770
oh fuck off you insufferable neet faggot. fuck you and your miserable pathetic life.

>>37669374
>suck and fuck random guys so they'll pretend to like me
nigga you gay

>>37669817
>watch Power Rangers
I tried to watch MMPR the other month, holy fuck dude it was terrible. Its so slow, every single thing is reexplained in every episode; I thought it was made for teenagers back in the day, not fucking toddlers with no brain capacity? I couldnt get through three episodes, it felt like my brain was leaking out of my ear.

Are new seasons any better?

>>37669950
>we are both 16
What part of TWENTY FIVE PLUS THREAD confuses you?

>>37670129
>so i think i'm welcome in these threads
you think wrong.

>>37670487
>so they painted the fridge the same color as the wallpaper so I wouldn't see it
i may never read anything this funny again

>>37679438
>Are you the child of a single mother?
How is that relevant you dumbass?
18-19 is too young, but many people get married at that age.

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>>37665546
FUCKING NORMIE GET THE FUCK OFF OF THIS BOARD AND NEVER COME BACK STOP SHITTING THIS PLACE UP.

>>37670866
>Do people here regret it after cutting connections with friends?
I have a "friend" I should cut off and Im wondering these same things, anon. He is my last connection to the life I had before becoming an adult. I do get nostalgic for the times me and him used to hang out. But I wouldnt want to be in the life situation I was in when we did hang out anymore. It feels like he doesnt want to be friends with me since I got a job.

>>37672052
>80's/90's anime
List your top 5.

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>>37664985
>26
>Get first GF in my life
>Things are looking up .jpg
>3 months later
>Move in together
>Made financial sense
>She starts acting weird
>absent for long periods of time with no contact
>Find out she's a raging heroin addict
>Has been gone for over a month
>no contact with me or her family during that time
>TFW she's dead somewhere

>I thought I could get used to the no gf situation and be content as I get older
>28 and it's gotten worse with time
>masturbating to porn barely relieves the frustration anymore
>the pressure is building inside and I descent deeper into the underworld everyday

>>37677856
>What do when you don't feel joy for stuff you liked before, oldbots?
At first I thought it was because of depression.

Then when I was happy, I went back to a lot of the things that used to bring me joy as a child, and saw they are objectively trash.

The pokemon tv show, absolute garbage.
DBZ; mostly shit.
Power Rangers, fucking terrible.
PS1 games I used to love, TOMBI, Ghost In the Shell; repetitive and shit.

Other things that I liked as a kid I still like, are things I find are actually decent.

Digimon, pokemon yellow, spyro, grand theft auto san andreas, Ghost in the Shell movie, Cowboy Bebop, YuGiOh (before 2006 banlist)

Dont despair anon. I guarantee you arent enjoying it simply because you are older and have experienced things that are better. But your nostalgic memories dont know this. They dont compare and hold up to the things that are better since then youve enjoyed.

>>37679438
>Are you the child of a single mother?
lul what?

no, my dad is 46 and my mum is 45. Why on earth would you think I was raised by a single mother?

>>37679619
>Find out she's a raging heroin addict
how on earth did you miss this before you moved in..?

>>37679619
get a checkup and change your locks.

28 here, pretty much gave up on girls at this point. Accepted that I'm an unfuckable ugly piece of shit and just indulge myself in few pleasures I have left.

>>37672056
Holy newfag

>jobless neet
>birthday yesterday spent alone
>living with old father who's dissappointed in me
>tfw you grow up into that kind of adult you laughed at as a teenager
I want to not wake up tomorrow

>>37669374
I know how you feel except I'm 25. I don't even pass well though, which makes me want to hang myself daily.

>>37679704
She got into a horrific skiing accident and was prescribed oxycontin for several months. Once it ran out she chased heroin.

>>37679342
I fucking wish I had an older brother

Wanna swap your one brother for my four sisters?

>>37679704
>>37679860
for context, to obtain oxycontin without a prescription its like 200$ street value.

If you take heroin, its the same thing for like 20$.

>>37679886
>>37679860
>>37679704
>>37679619
I'm dead inside. I think I'm going to an hero. I thought life was finally turning around. Then this shit happens. Why? Why can't I have any normality to my life? Why ??!! I finally put myself our there, get a GF, move in together, she's in love with me, then this shit. I give up. I fucking give up

>>37679874
it took a long time but he grew on me and sooner than later he would be my only/closest relative.

are your sisters hot or nice at least?

>>37679684
>>37679566
people who shit out kids that age are far more likely to be uneducated/poor and therefore far more likely to divorce

>>37679959
Nah man they're bloody awful.

>>37669950
Banned though.

Origami Salami

>>37680033
damn sorry about that bro

>27
>Khhv no gf ever
>Work, eat, sleep, repeat
My life is empty
Next week I'll get a car
But other than that nothing really gives me happiness

>>37679381

27 here, and the opposite. Professionally set and likely to continue excelling but I am utterly broken and alone. I'd trade you in a heartbeat, my money and success feels meaningless

>>37680421
24 and I'll trade you. Can't seem to get into any job beside what I do now because no experience/too young meme.

>>37680370
ive had happiness, then I lost it. its worse than never having it at all.

>write big, amazing and insightful post
>get zero replies

Fuck this board. On a board like /tv/ you will get replies even on mediocre posts.

>>37679582

You sound boring.
To fix this, find new hobbies and don't talk about one topic too much.

>>37664985
>>37665601
>>37668594
>>37668629
How do you fags not kill yourselves holy shit. I come close to suicidal crisis every day and I don't have it nearly as bad as you.

>>37680370

>having a driving license

Fucking normos, I swear to God.

>>37680542
maybe you're just a weak character

>>37680567
I believe that my primal nature wasn't brainwashed out of me and so I have the urge to exact extreme violence on those who have wronged me and many other things that are unacceptable in civilized society - not being able to fulfill these desires causes me emotional anguish and I lose my mind always.

>>37672070
Honestly anon, I was in a very similar situation and age to you (I'm 27 now). I got MS a few years ago and I'm on disability right now AND living on my own. It's rough but there is hope.. you're better than most. It's not the end anon. Things get worse before they get better.

>>37669961
Being this buttmad he got the robot's dream: sex he didn't have to improve himself or try for

Cry more, faggot

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>Spent my life thinking I was "smart but lazy"
>Realize I've been a total dumbfuck this entire time

>>37664985
playing bf3
pretending im 20 again

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I'm really looking forward to Holm vs Bethe this weekend.

It's all I've got to say really

>28
>Had sex 2 weeks ago
>Lasted literally only 20 seconds
>This is after it took at least 2 minutes to get hard enough
I think I'm already suffering from small amounts of ED from my 16 years of porn addiction

>>37680523
Thats hilarious, because thats my issue with him. All he talks about is thailand and how much he wants a gf.

>>37679860
>>37679886
do you know how to read?

i said how the fuck did you date a girl for 3 months and not know she was an addict? or are you saying you knew and somehow didnt think it was going to be an issue?

>>37679843
>>tfw you grow up into that kind of adult you laughed at as a teenager
ah fuck

>>37680490
>write big, amazing and insightful post
and which post was that?

>>37664985

>Finally got a decent job as a warehouse worker, bout to become a supervisor there.
>Got my student loans to do income based repayments from $300 to $30 a month
>Have coworkers I can call friends
>Got the number of a girl that I've fallen hard for

Life seems perfect right now, despite my playing with fate by tempting my alcoholsim. I feel like things are in place to improve. For the first time in a long time I can actually say I'm happy. I'm scared as fuck cause normally when things go well everything normally falls apart.

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>tried to have sex multiple times
>too scared and wasn't hard enough to break the hymen
>this will probably happen again next month
>she keeps sending me memes about how she's still a virgin (even though I have put benis in bagina bc her hymen exists still)
Now I question why virgins are desired. It just seems awkward and painful.

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>>37669996
>I'm virgin.
>Sex is no more than an overrated meme for faggots living like beasts.
>I'm 49
Everything about this is tragic.
Someone who's 49 who knows of 4chan.
Someone who's 49 and a virgin/never done ANYTHING
This has to be a troll