Why are you still watching porn?

>>37636447
>being this much of a blue pill
Dumb sheep, go back to your farm.

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Cause I hate myself and it feels good man

Because I like beating my dick and I don't like the concept of having a girlfriend, and seeing women degraded to the point of their poopers becoming fuckholes is super hot.

>>37636447
>porn use is shown to increase depression and anxiety
Citation needed

>>37636531
Sources are at the bottom of the image numbnutz

>>37636447
I won't actually bother reading the sources, but based on how most these studies usually are performed and their publication titles, I assume they found a correlation rather than a proven causation. Hence I assume the pic in the OP is misleading.

If I'm wrong here, call me out on it. But I don't take their word for it.

>>37636447

Chad gets to ejaculate into his multiple gfs, I don't see why I should miss out on the same feeling, it's just that I ejaculate into my hand instead.

What else are we supposed to do? Fap to our imaginations? That's not easy.

Because I got fetishes my wife is not into.

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>>37636447
Because I'll never be able to fuck a thicc redhead while eating a greasy burger in real life. Looking at porn is the only way to get what I want

What I find most ridiculous about these anti-masturbation propaganda pieces is they seriously try to convince you that your penis is magical and can detect when its ejaculation is from masturbation rather than sex.

>>37636447
That's advice for normies wo get "it" on a regular basis.
I need masturbation to not go insane as a 27 year old virgin.

People who watch porn are as weak as chads and normies.
Real sages don't have carnal pleasures because they know they will never satisfy them.

>>37638249
Having too much sex is the same as watching too much porn.
Both are harmful.

>inb4 there is no harm!!111!!

>>37638249
>noporn = nofap

>>37636447
>Why are you still watching porn?

Habit and boredom.
Also Adderall.

>>37638392
>too much
Yeah and how much is that? Do you have any actual numbers? Any data at all that shows how much is too much? Or are you just making vague but plausible sounding statements in order to monger fear? See it's simple to say something that sounds like conventional wisdom (i.e. "too much of a good thing can be bad for you") without actually providing any evidence that its true. People tend to accept things that sound like common sense without any scrutiny. But if you actually bother to question such things with even rudimentary skepticism they quickly fall apart.

So I ask again: how much is too much?

>>37638413
this falls on deaf ears when speaking to porn addicts because they have no concept of arousal outside of their sissycuck vicarious sex simulator. sad!

>>37636447
Because l need visuals to jerk it to, also women don't like me, so I won't be having sex ever.

>>37638432
It depends on the person, you can understand you're watching too much porn when you get addicted to it.
Some don't get addicted easily, some do.
How to see if you're addicted?
You can pretty much search it up.

I'm not interested in having a relationship and I enjoy the superstimulous.

>>37638379
But I satisfy mine ever day, sometimes multiple times.

>>37638448
>it depends
>you can understand
>you can search yourself
Textbook evasion from people who don't know what they're talking about.

>>37638413
So if I'm reading this right, you either think people watch porn without masturbating, or you think there's no problem with masturbating and the problem is masturbating to porn? Either way you're daft.

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>>37638454
>I satisfy mine every day

No you don't
Nobody does

are they afraid they're gonna lose society to porn or something?

you can't undo the internet and Hollywood. it's over.

>>37636447
Because it gets me off.

I've tried jerking it to fantasies, but they just get a little too elaborate. Porn, it's just hot girls fucking and getting fucked. It's simple, sweet, and to the point.

>>37638468
I watch porn without masturbating.

And since it's your first day on 4chan, I was quoting him that he was implying noporn (the image) means nofap

>>37638491
I know what he was implying, but what he's implying is stupid. And watching porn without masturbating is idiotic.

>>37638489
I'm in an exact opposite situation. Porn is usually too dull and straight forward to satisfy my so I have to create my own scenarios and fantasies to get off. I write a lot of erotic fiction.

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>>37638495
Porn stimulates dopamine release of which can be abused

it's the closet i'll get to having sex with a beautiful woman

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>>37638510
>source is literally some reddit post
Jesus Christ

>>37638522
Got it from /b/ a few days ago
>le reddit contrarian hate train

at what point would you say someone is addicted to porn? multiple times a day? Once a day?

>>37638538
It's just some fucking random idiot on the internet posting on a fucking message board and you believe it without any skepticism whatsoever? Mate, I got a bridge to sell you, how much money you have in bitcoin?

>>37638503
I'd like to read some of it, if you're okay sharing.

It's not that I don't like my fantasies, it's just that audio/visual reference helps. Got into audio porn for that very reason.

>>37638549
Are you retarded? All fucking internet posts are mostly unsourced. From my professional experience the post is correct and I don't want to type it.

And I have a bitcoin I'm sitting on to sell, mate.

>>37638560
I write for myself and only myself. I actually can't share my stuff in most places cause my fetishes are considered extreme. Even my more tame stuff I doubt you'd be into unless you really like futa.

>>37638565
>From my professional experience the post is correct
And from my professional, unsourced experience it isn't correct. Looks like we're at an impasse!

>>37638581
Explain why dopamine release isn't adjusted dynamically then, faggot.

>>37638599
Maybe you should research that yourself :^)

Fucking hilarious seeing all these porn addicts viciously trying to defend their addiction.

Porn releases dopamine in your brain at a higher level than cocaine.

Porn is more sexually stimulating than IRL foreplay. There's a reason why many late bloomers struggle with erectile dysfunction if they jerked off to porn every day growing up.

Quitting porn was the best thing I ever did for my sex life. You can still masturbate after a while of abstinence but cut the porn out. Don't masturbate while thinking of porn either.

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>>37638602
So you have nothing and are just shitposting for (You)s. Hiro ban where

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>>37638489
because the pillars of my comfortable numb are weed, junk food, happy-whatever pills and a solid 2-4 nuts a day, each one to weirder pornography than the session (that day) preceding it
my daily ritual culminates in shotgunning several cans of reddi whip, inhaling all of and holding in the nitrous for as long as possible before a tingly, dissociated, furious fap to multiple (queued, obviously) screens of unnecessary numbers of genitals, bodily mutilation/contortion, and degradation of the souls of all involved except for the satisfied consumer finally ejaculating all over my bedsheets and collapsing into the warm arms of dreamless, unsatisfying sleep that will nonetheless be lengthier than one would reckon.
this is the way it has been, and the way it shall be. why would I ever stop?

>>37638570
Ah, forget I asked then.

>>37638622
>Porn releases dopamine in your brain at a higher level than cocaine.
[citation needed]
>Porn is more sexually stimulating than IRL foreplay
[citation needed]
>There's a reason why many late bloomers struggle with erectile dysfunction if they jerked off to porn every day growing up
[citation needed]

>>37638632
Yeah, probably should've mentioned that a major reason I write is because my fantasies are literally impossible for real porn to act out. And some of them while possible it's better if they aren't acted out.

>>37638630
This is both depressing and fascinating. Robot's life, m8.

2 weeks here

feel pretty good

mental clarity is usually the biggest benefit for me. the other benefits are a little more ambiguous but the mental clarity is strong enough to make me persevere with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTjZvlKfNtk

>>37638625
>So you have nothing and are just shitposting
Weird how this also applies to you and the other morons who responded to me when I asked for hard data and you only gave me vague bullshit and reddit posts as evidence. You're the biggest saps I've ever seen.

>>37638635
www.yourbrainonporn.com

You're free to do your own research. It's all there.

I struggled with PIED for a few months. It was the worst time of my life.

>>37638661
No offense but your cult website isn't really convincing as a neutral, third party source. I'll read the studies they link to on their about page though, not really interested in their BS articles.

>>37638630
perhaps so you could stop being such a fucking spineless pathetic piece of shit who can't even face life without drugging himself to oblivion

>>37638691
There's really no helping you if you consider everything you disagree with "cult websites".

Check out the TED talk first. It's objective and very informative.

The most important thing is that no one is saying ejaculation is bad. PMO is what's damaging.

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>>37636531
This board is a decent source

>>37638708
I consider it a cult website because a family member of mine got suckered into a cult for a few years and their website was very similar to this, disguised as a "self help" place about overcoming personal weakness and restarting their life yadda yadda. And them plugging their book at the top of the page doesn't help things. I check the articles and they mostly only link to other articles on the site, which isn't a good sign for something that purports to be scientific. The only place I found any real information was their about page which contained links to actual published studies, which I am now reading.

What I have is skepticism, something you and other rubes like you lack and which you should try cultivating so you stop being exploited by people like the scammers who run websites like these, peddling worthless literature to vulnerable minds. Sickens me.

>>37638655
>hard data
>psychology

>>37638749
Neuro-biology has hard data and is the only part of psychology I put any weight behind.

>>37638691
not him but I think there's a real problem with having to have scientific proof for abstract human concerns.

Whether you agree with nofap or not, some things effect the human psyche that can't be empirically proven.

imagine if every day you had to brutally kill a kitten. There wouldn't be any way to prove that it made you feel extreme guilt or shame but you can't deny it would.

>>37638756
See this is the wrong approach.

>>37638756
>fMRI
>quantitative data

>>37636447
Based Ironmarch.

>>37638764
>I think there's a real problem with having to have scientific proof for abstract human concerns.
That's fine. But without some concrete basis for understanding and believing something you're just a sucker waiting to be told what to believe and get ripped off by the first enterprising charlatan to come along.

>>37638747
Yes we're all very impressed with your high school diploma

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>>37638650
I didn't mean to depress you, Anon. I assure you that it isn't as horrible as it would be to most. My entire life, my dream has basically been to do nothing, and I'm living it. I'm not in rarified air, anywhere, but I'm mostly content in this timeline. Each time I groggily will myself out of bed for indistinct purposes, that's one fewer chore for future me.
>>37638694
I decline. It's not that life didn't occur to me, and I gave it the college try, innit? I just wasn't really a fit. It's better this way.

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I'm a bald manlet dicklet, so you better believe I'll beat it until I die alone.

>>37638783
College graduate. How much school have you completed by the way? I'm guessing none.

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Unless you're watching it and jacking off to it multiple times per day for hours on end it really isn't a problem. Having a fap once a night is harmless.

>>37638764
>>37638756
I'll just add that if you're dead set on wanting to fap to porn for the rest of your life, be my guest. nobody is going to stop you

but when people overreact to the mere implication that porn might have some negative side effects, to me that signals clear denial of an addictive pattern.

same goes for people who try convince you that weed isn't addictive but will start freaking out at the speculation of negative effects

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>>37636447
Because I wanna forget about the monster that is me for an hour. Anon was a hell of a name to waste.

>>37638801
>nobody is going to stop you
Then stop making these asinine threads and proselytizing your pseudo-religion.

>>37638820
I didn't make this thread.

Nofap has greatly benefited me and reduced my social anxiety, depression and brain fog by 90%

I wish that I knew about the damaging effects of porn before I got addicted in high school and developed panic attacks and went from being an sociable extrovert to an agoraphobic

I don't care if you want to fap. But someone out there certainly might benefit like I did.

There's no doubt that porn is making society weaker and contributing greatly to the rampant degeneracy that's plaguing the west

>>37638856
it's also interesting that the people who will defend porn the most seem to be on r9k. a board for losers.

>>37638764
>imagine if every day you had to brutally kill a kitten. There wouldn't be any way to prove that it made you feel extreme guilt or shame but you can't deny it would.
But it wouldn't any more than tribals feel guilt or shame for killing the animals they hunt?
Sounds like your high on believing your personal beliefs are indicative of objective morality.

>>37638856
There's no such thing as porn addiction, you're just a spineless turd and needed a mental crutch to get your shit together and shift blame off yourself onto some external boogie man.
>muh degeneracy
Yeah you're exactly the kind of stooge who would buy into this nonsense. It's always something else, some one else, never you. Also you realize you can replace your nofap with belief in Jesus or meditation or whatever and it will sound exactly the same? Huh, weird how that works.

>>37639242
Found the porn addict

>>37638764
>

imagine if every day you had to brutally kill a kitten. There wouldn't be any way to prove that it made you feel extreme guilt or shame but you can't deny it would.
ooook normie take your reddit spacing and fuck off back home

>LMAO dude just stop masturbating
With what alternative?
Hookers? Holding my desperation till 30 before I fall that low.
Girlfriend? Where do you think you are?

>>37639357
Don't stop masturbating. Ejaculation is healthy.

Stop watching porn

>>37639383
Can't get a full erection that way. Would have to get worn underwear or something similar to help with that.
And masturbating without a full erection isn't healthy.

>>37639406
Then you're already damaged by porn use. It's gonna haunt you in your sex life (as it did me).

A healthy young man can ejaculate from masturbating off of only the physical stimulation from it.

I thought NoFap was bullshit once as well until I couldn't get it up when it mattered the most. I quit all porn for 3 months and managed to sucessfully have sex after that.

Now I fap to porn maybe once a week at most to keep myself from falling into my old ways. But you need total abstination for at least a few weeks to kick the habit. Edging to porn is just gonna make you relapse

>>37639459
>It's gonna haunt you in your sex life
It won't.
>I thought NoFap was bullshit
It is bullshit. I don't want to sit on a lecture for 3 hours and then don't even remember what it was about, because I was fantasizing about fucking the girl next to me.

>>37636481
Watching the pornographic jew is about as bluepilled as it gets

>>37639478
As I said you can masturbate. But get off on the physical sensation alone, you know. That way your libido won't get out of control.

But beware masturbation can lead to relapse so best to cut it off for a week or two imo

>>37639478
>can't get a full erection without porn
>I don't want to do nofap because I'll be too horny

the infallible logic of a porn addict

>>37636447
>stop fucking yourself and letting your children do the same
>stop letting your children fuck you

????

What did they mean by this?

Kek
Some days I masturbate 6-10 times, especially hangover days.
I'm 21 so I guess it's still the hormones of youth that makes my sexdrive this insane. All I do is watch women when I'm at town. Can't focus on anything else than my fetishes.

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It helps me blow cum from my balls, why else?

How can people in this thread honestly porn is fine/healthy? Okay, in moderation porn isn't a problem. Hell, masturbation isn't a problem (assuming you don't use porn while you beat your meat).

Seriously, just look back to when you first started watching porn, what is took to get hard and turn you on, and now.

>be 12
>watching 2 people kiss gets my dick hard
>be 13-14
>lesbian porn gets me off easily
>all of a sudden, need dick in vagina porn to get turned on
>next thing I know, need anal porn to get turned on
>need a girl getting ganbanged to get turned on
>need a girl getting tied up and creampied to get turned on
>eventually get to the point where you need fucking traps and tranny porn to get aroused anymore

And even then you get to a point where even the most fucked up, strange ass porn doesn't "hit the spot"

Legit, if you only watch porn now and then you will be fine. If you watch it every day (especially if you've been watching for 10+ years) while masturbating, you'll go from a naked chick = hot, to fapping to trannies on youtube. It's real.

>>37640147
kek I have only one fetish while you need to kys.

>>37640147
Yup. It's the same reason why "mild narcotics" often work as gateway drugs to hardcore stuff like Heroin or Methamphetamine.

It's all about dopamine in your brain. Evolution caused us to always seek more.

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Porn is a slow death, that's why it seems harmless. The worst part about it is realizing all the time you spent watching other people have sex.

I don't want to have sex with a woman, because that would involve interacting with them. Nevertheless, I get horny and need to masturbate so I can focus properly. I would rather masturbate to porn so I can ejaculate quicker than using my imagination and get back to whatever I was doing faster.

I genuinely believe absence of sexual release after prolonged periods elevates your mental state

past the two week period of nofap I start getting random bouts of euphoria over absolutely nothing and understand why monks exist etc

>>37636447
Ok here is the deal. I'll stop fapping and porn if and only if I have a Qt to help through withdrawal

porn is a fucking plague on society. it's the reason so many of you faggots have cuckhold fetishes, can islam please just purge the west already

Because as a foot fetishist, I only jack off to pictures of girls feet - no footjobs or any gay shit like that - just girls showing off their feet. I don't watch fucking, blacked, tranny shit or anything like that because that stuff is actually degenerate and has a knock on effect on your perception of women.

If you can't stop watching porn at least switch to met art or YouTube pseudo porn like yoga, twerking etc.

>>37638793
right there with you brother

Most men who are anxious and depressed probably spend a lot of time sitting around not doing much and fapping, doesn't make it the cause.

>>37641154
If you think about it biologically it makes sense that fapping to porn is demotivating.

Evolution has caused to seek what produces dopamine. Sex, eating, etc because it causes survival and reproduction.

When fapping to porn you trick your mind into thinking you're having sex and spreading your genes (because porn is so stimulating sometimes even more so than sex).

That means you lose the evolutionary motivation to seek out women and have sex with them. That's obviously bad for your mental health.

>>37641393
>That means you lose the evolutionary motivation to seek out women and have sex with them. That's obviously bad for your mental health.

Is it? Nature is not inherently a good thing and I don't see what's so bad about that. Though I understand it might effect people negatively if they aren't getting laid and are failed normie incels.

Regardless I'm almost positive everyone saying "quiting porn changed my life" are all just experiencing placebo or are varg larping. I'm not saying watching porn is good for you, but if I spent all the time I do fapping using my imagination instead I'm not sure there would be many positives.

I've yet to try nofap, if I ever will, so I'm just guessing. I often fall for placebos all the time and this sounds like one.

Porn fucked me over something fierce

I cant get it up with a real woman, the last time I tried, was nervous as fuck, just didnt come up. I get morning wood so its in the head.

I can get off almost only to shemale porn now but at the same time I'm not into dudes. If I stop beating off I dream about normal women so I can't be gay.

I feel like there's no coming back from this

>>37641500
I am with you on this.

Nature has good things in it and not so good things in it. It is like the universe, neutral, doesn't really give a fuck in the end.

Mankind's survival revolves around our ability to modify our environment in such a way as to keep the good things in nature and get rid of the bad things as much as possible. Note: definition of good and bad here is whatever affects our comfort, life span, and ultimately survival.

Eunuchs don't have that reproductive/survival drive yet enjoy some degree of sensuality and live on average longer...
I am not advocating being a eunuch just demonstrating the pros and cons of nature.

Well if you think not having any sex drive with real women is a good thing then by all means keep watching porn.

It was difficult as shit but I kicked the habit and it's one of the best things I ever did.

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>>37636447
I tried nofap but got crazy rape thoughts and almost pushed a chick down to rape her in public, so I'll just stick with porn.

>>37641770
>Well if you think not having any sex drive with real women is a good thing then by all means keep watching porn.

how long did it take?

I just realized last month that I haven't felt anything for a real woman in years now, I forgot how it fucking feels at this point. It scares the bejeezus outta me.

>>37641770
I don't know any real women so that's not something I would benefit from.

guys i'm fapping
r i g h t n o w

>get horny
>2 options
>go out in a feeble attempt to attract a woman and face nothing but rejection and humiliation
>or look at pornography


The quality cost trade off isn't too bad from the perspective of straight forward gratification. That's why pornography is popular.

I use porn(doujins) to fill the gap between guys...

>>37641894
About 3-4 months. It's hard to evaluate because I relapsed a few times.

I went about 2 weeks at first out of sheer motivation after experiencing PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction).

Then I relapsed and limitted my PMO as much as possible. Probably about once pr. week.

I went through ups and downs. Sometimes doing PMO'ing 3 days in a row and feeling like shit. Other times I went 2 weeks again without.

Morning wood eventually started to come back every morning and I could feel a brand new attraction to girls. I'm still pretty nervous about having sex because I'm scared ED will happen again, but I've succesfully had sex after recovering now so it's gonna be easier.

Realistically someone with more willpower than me could just quit out of the blue.

My best advice on quitting is whenever you feel the urge to look at the porn, just leave the room instantly. Don't think twice just get up and leave and get some water or whatever. Don't come back until the urge is gone.

It's tough but I'm sure everyone can do it.

Don't be too hard on yourself if you do relapse. PMO once a week is still a massive improvent over doing it every day.

Godspeed anons.

>>37636447
You fucking neurotics, there's nothing wrong in casual masturbation.

>>37642188
Follow up post: It might be tempting to just cut down on your porn use and purposely limit yourself with some rules or regulations.

Don't do this. It will just lead to relapse.

Read this:

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/why-doesnt-moderation-work-with-porn-use

The best cause of action is to just forget about a certain time period. Try to think of porn as something that's not even an option.

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>>37638136
>What else are we supposed to do? Fap to our imaginations? That's not easy.

>he needs porn, probably 3DPD too

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>>37642608
>>he needs porn, probably 3DPD too
No, I literally cannot fap without anime titties right in front of me

>>37638249
Literally read anything on it besides random blog posts on the internet. They describe why its different. Instant and constant novelty. Fucks with the dopamine. Unless you are an Egyptian God-Pharoah you're not gonna have the same experience with sex.

Would you still do damage if you fap like once a week?

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Ultimately I will die anyway due to many things, hell I'd be happy If It was porn that killed me instead of cancer or a job.
I do watch really messed up things online to get off but at least I'm celibate IRL and not hurting anyone.
Also, do you think hentai manga Is as catastrophic as normal porn?
I read loli and futa ones so I'm already a lost cause, but am curious.

>>37636447
The entire anti-porn and nofap movement was literally started by Christians who think it makes god angry. All of their claims about it being unhealthy are fictitious.

The only thing I could say porn does is makes you less likely to want sex from fat dumpy women. Is that objectively a bad thing? No...

>>37641393
>That means you lose the evolutionary motivation to seek out women and have sex with them.
Women are fucking cunts who only want Chads and discriminate against me based on things out of my control. And that's fucking bad for my mental health!

>>37644058
Everyone judges others on things they can't control. It's a pretty basic part of evolution.

You willl always gravitate towards the best possible genes you can attain.

I've never been able to get off to straight sex though. I don't even watch porn, I just read erotic literature and it's never just boy/girl stuff. I doubt if I stop masturbating that I'll suddenly just want to have sex with women.