Are you, maybe, just dense?

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>>37615922

Women don't speak to me unless they're obligated. Maybe a fattie thought I was obtainable, but I was never aware.

>>37615922
No because like >>37615961 girls avoid me at nearly all costs.

>>37615922
>And that maybe you're literally too autistic/too oblivious/dense to notice when you're being hit-on overtly?
That's the thing though. I'm not bad looking, but I have literally nothing to offer them besides looks. I can't converse, can't give them social status, money, anything.

>>37615922
when ever I recall past experiences I can find a few moments when girls maybe hit-on me. the thing is that I'm so neurotic and autistic that I don't even trust my hindsight to be accurate

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>>37615961
>Maybe a fattie thought I was obtainable, but I was never aware.
Or, you know, an attractive and normal-looking woman.

>>37615985
>"Does he like me? Oh, I've got butterflies! I should talk to him. No, that's stupid, he doesn't like me. How could he? We aren't even friends. Oh, it'd be so romantic if he approached me. Why isn't he approaching me? He must not like me."
>"Why don't girls talk to me? I guess no girl likes me."
Still possible.

>>37616006
So? That's you saying why you don't think you're worthy, not a woman's input. If you look good, or even decent, chances are SOMEBODY has gotten giney tingles over ya. And that's all it takes. What, are you gonna sabotage your chances for a happy relationship until the day you think you're worthy of one?

This has almost certainly happened to me in the past, if word of mouth is to be believed. Trouble is I am actively suspicious of anyone who shows any sort of interest in me. And honestly, if a girl has low enough standards to hit on me, that should be a huge red flag.

>>37615922
Nope, I'm fat and would only be average-looking if I weren't. Girls view me as that fatty who never looks them in the eye. Most probably think I'm creepy because I only talk to them for work-related stuff.

>>37616061
Honestly, just being given the power, for even just one time, to see if there has ever been just a single girl who looked at me and thought about me in that way would make me really happy.

>>37616091
This would be my superpower of choice, I'd like to know what certain girls thought of me.

>>37615922
Just a matter of time until some "true robot" comes around and starts flaming you for even considering yourself a robot since girls obviously "check you out" sometimes or even show any kind of interest.
But yeah, it has happened to me, I've even noticed sometimes, but it's never above 7 (on my scale), well maybe one time she was an 8 but she was a fucking hardcore Stacy, zero brains. Not saying that I'm a smart ass but jeeze, the conversations were very limited.

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>>37616061
>Trouble is I am actively suspicious of anyone who shows any sort of interest in me. And honestly, if a girl has low enough standards to hit on me, that should be a huge red flag.
More self-sabotaging, self-flagellating horseshit. Awesome people like pieces of shit all the time.

>>37616091
If the bar is so low that it's just one girl, I think you're golden. At least one probably has, because, you know, you're male and most girls are heterosexual.

>>37616079
>Girls view me as that fatty who never looks them in the eye.
And this is based on your telepathic powers? Or on /r9k/'s self-help advice? I didn't learn eye contact until I was in my 20's, to the extent that I could know somebody for years and not know the color of their eyes, and that wasn't a dealbreaker.

>>37616100
Why not just go with full-blown mind-reading if you're choosing a superpower?

>>37616056

How the fuck are you supposed to know if a woman is interested. Why don't women APPROACH? I swear a woman could punch a man in the back of the head and you'd criticize the man for not ducking.

>>37616091
>>37616100
In my experience, that knowledge only leaves you kicking yourself over not having done anything about it. (Or, in my case, not doing anything sooner.) In general, dwelling on what could have been isn't worth it unless you plan on translating it into future success. But why on earth would anyone do that?

>>37615922
hmm, could be.

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No, I'm actually the opposite, I know for sure if a girl likes me (has happened rarely with uglies). Which means I know exactly when a girl isn't attracted to me, which is most of the time

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I've never had interactions with women beyond "Would you like fries with that?", "Please take this advertising flyer" or "Want to buy a raffle ticket?"
So for any women to talk to me in an approachable manner makes me quite suspicious that they either want something from me (money, a sale or probing for info) or that someone has asked them to do so (set me up); these have been the case in almost all encounters

That's a product of never being approached for flirting or friendship; it's now completely unknown that I would never believe it was genuine (not for cash/info) unless they asked "Hey Anon want to go somewhere?" or "My friend really likes you".
I've never once had an encounter with women that regret it later because I just then realized they were interested/flirting because it just hasn't happened but I don't expect it to if you're like this and emit an aura that makes normie retail cucks afraid to ask if you "need anything"

>>37616178
Because I'd know for sure that it isn't hopeless to continue in my delusions. If I knew I had the ability to actually attract one person who I've ever come across that confirmation would be enough to tell myself that I can do it.

>>37616142
>and that wasn't a dealbreaker.

What do you mean? Girls still liked you?

Trust me, I look for signs of interest. Desperately. If they had given any I definitely would have noticed. I can't recall any missed chances throughout high school, college, or both my jobs so far.

>>37616142
>Why not just go with full-blown mind-reading if you're choosing a superpower?
Well, yeah
>>37616178
Would be nice to read the current ones too, like Mel Gibson in What Women Want

Women hearts only flutter to chad and once they get to a certain age to beta providers.why in the flying fuck would they care about some ugly overweight fuck?right they don't.

Thats hope talking

I've entertained this idea in the past and all its got me is more despair. If by the off chance some girl does actually like you and your autism is preventing you from recognizing that, you're going to be too late or she going to realize you're a sperg and stop liking you anyway.

>>37616142
>More self-sabotaging, self-flagellating horseshit. Awesome people like pieces of shit all the time.
This is absolutely true. Knowing this, I would feel awful about taking up an awesome person's time when they could be with someone decent instead. I already recognize that I don't love myself enough to allow others to love me. I am not fit to be in a relationship until that shit is resolved.

>>37615922
We really do get too many normalfags in here. If women are talking to you without obligation you're decidely not a robot.

>>37615922

Past experiences repulsed me

Woah, bro. Yeah, girls totally like me, I'm just too dense. After all, why wouldn't girls like an attractive, charismatic, intelligent guy like me.

Just like you, OP. It's not that you're ugly or a loser, you're just too fucking dense. Yep, that's totally why you're single.

>>37616219
I've been there. I am convinced that some of them wouldn't have gotten away if I had acted sooner rather than waiting for confirmation. Of course, I could just be deluding myself into thinking that in order to protect my ego, but sometimes such delusions are necessary. The fact is you will never get the confirmation you want and, if you are like me, even if you do get it, you will find a way to deny it. You will always end up having to gamble.

>>37616285

>Wow, I'm single
>Could it be that I'm unattractive?
>No...No that can't be. I just can't perceive all the hot chicks who want me! Yeah! They exist but I just can't see it.

Sounds like delusion

i might be dense and maby there was someone who liked me, that still wouldn't solve my problems, i am terrible at socialising, i barely talk to people and i don't feel comfortable around new people.

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>>37615922
The first time a girl flirted with me (like REALLY fucking flirted with me, she was basically begging for my dick) my sperg reflexes kicked in and I completely shut down. My friends and her thought I was just being funny and joking around (I was known as a jokester and overall funny guy) so even after I got over my sperg shutdown I just continued to sit there, silently and unmoving as this girl gave me a lap dance, wrapped herself around me, and grinded on my dick. Luckily, my reputation as a jokester saved me from being called out as a sperg since literally everyone thought I was joking around. The girl even became more interested in flirting with me.
I've gotten better at that kind of shit now that. Haven't really shutdown like that since the first time it happened.

>>37616307
But man, what about that time a girl asked me for the time, or that time I caught a cute girl staring at me during class. I'm a fucking stud, I'm just too dense to realize it.

>>37615922
Fuck them if they don't talk to me i won't talk to them.
If they want me thy just have to say it or fuck off

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>>37616155
Convention and ages of evolution dictate that the man has to approach. And women do approach anyway, even if it's domination through submission, or by passive force.

>>37616269
Yeah, I know. Whatever, really. I don't care to be one. It's not a point of pride.

>>37616207
That's the thing, though. If your only interactions with women are at the checkout stand, you're not rolling the dice at all. And if you're locked in your room, that's even worse.
>>37616241
>What do you mean? Girls still liked you?
Yup. Lots of 'em. I usually found out too late, though. That, or I had a bad enough case of oneitis that I was rejecting perfectly good opportunities to be with "the one," who didn't even like me back.

>Trust me, I look for signs of interest.
Fair. I'm making this post on the assumption that not everybody here does, and that some actually assume before the fact that those signs aren't there.
>>37616260
>I am not fit to be in a relationship until that shit is resolved.
Fair enough. Still, if you're at least that considerate, I think you ought to improve yourself and secure some happiness.

>>37616285
Ooh, assumptions.

>>37616357
>maby

>>37616359
>I've gotten better at that kind of shit now that.
Good. You obviously aren't a genetic dead-end.

>>37616373
Right back atcha. (KIRBYKIRBYKIRBYTHAT'STHENAMEYOUSHOULDKNOW...)

>>37616368
This is unironically a fabulous realization to undergo.

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I've had women flirt with me and had no idea what to do, I get it from older women who are really forward sometimes, I don't know what to do in that situation. They know I'm nervous so they tease me and I just stay quiet until they feel bad, my mind rushes to conclusions too quickly and I'm trying not to imagine fucking her before I even respond. Someone help pls.

>>37616155
They do approach someone if they're interested. Just because you've never had it happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

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>>37616386
>That's the thing, though. If your only interactions with women are at the checkout stand, you're not rolling the dice at all. And if you're locked in your room, that's even worse


I'm 25, I've had more than enough time in education, outside and the few social situations I've been in for women to approach me with genuine intent of flirting or attraction to me

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>>37615922
>but what are the odds that not a single female has ever had a flutter in her heart over you?
I'd say it's pretty high. I would honestly just be deluding myself if I tried to think otherwise. The idea that many of us could elicit that kind of emotion from a woman is pretty absurd when you look at it objectively, there is no point lying to yourself. I'm skeptical even normal men can get this kind of reaction out of women.

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>>37615922
I usually don't notice when anyone likes me, let alone a female.

>>37616386
>Yeah, I know. Whatever, really. I don't care to be one. It's not a point of pride.
It's a point of distinction, you shouldn't really come here with your normalfag viewpoint and try to apply it to a different subset of people. We are exactly the men who no woman would be attracted to.

>>37616386
>Yup. Lots of 'em

Are you handsome or good at conversation?

>>37615922
My neighbour told me I am so beautiful I scare all the girls away. I havent had a laugh like that in ages, to be honest. She told me I looked elegant, yet manly, and exotic too. I doubt that, but even if that were true, I dont think any of these points sells with the girls nowadays.

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If you've ever looked at a less than average girl and still thought you'd hit it or even date her, realize girls do the exact same thing, thoughts are fre

>>37616389
>my mind rushes to conclusions too quickly

I know this feel, I don't know how to have a female friend but I can't ever speak to them platonically

>>37616458
Is your neighbour 80 years old?

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>>37616389
Say that, then.

>"I actually really like you and think you're attractive, but I have no clue what to do in this situation, and that makes me nervous, so I'm saying this and hoping that having had the confidence to lay it out sincerely like this is enough. I'm getting nervous and full of butterflies and don't know how to express that except in the most literal terms."

>>37616416
Why assume they'll make the approach? >>37616418
>I'm skeptical even normal men can get this kind of reaction out of women.
They totally can. And I'm throwing this one out there for the anons who haven't entertained the notion. I'm not denying that there are people who don't elicit this reaction; I'm trying to smack the ones who happen to just be too dense across the face.

>>37616432
Kek. Saved.

>>37616460
But girls rate the majority of men as less than 5/10, aomeone post the chart.

>>37616386
>I think you ought to improve yourself and secure some happiness.
I don't think relationships are that important as far a secure happiness goes. At least to the point of if your own self-worth is dependent on the validation of others, as that is certainly not a healthy position to be in.

>>37616476
This post reminded me it's summer in America.

>>37616470
I have no idea how old she is, but definitely more than 50. She is horribly crippled though (and that is coming from someone who can barely walk himself) which I think usually makes people seem and act like they are older than they actually are.

>>37616432
>traps aren't gay
what kind of fucking upside down world do we live in

>>37616460

Sure, women think that about men they see, it's just that women don't ever see 80% of men.

>>37616476
>anons who haven't entertained the notion
What are they, 12? Every guy 'entertains' the notion at some point even if its patently absurd.

>>37616006

Oh sweety, not all women care about money and status. Everyone has something to offer. Youre probably charming and interesting in your own way.

>>37616460
Thinking "you'd hit it" and actually meaning to hit it are very different things.

I've also looked at midgets, tards and animals and fantasized about fucking them even though I'd be completely grossed out to actually do it.

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I'm above average looking so I had girls confess to me and called me hot to my face (even guys called me handsome) but quite honestly a gf doesn't appeal to me if the social status component of relationships is factored in. Ideally, I'd want a reclusive gf but they are non existent and even if they existed, we probably be too afraid of each other to make a move.

>>37616544
nice normie advice roastie whore.

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>>37616460
>If you've ever looked at a less than average girl and still thought you'd hit it or even date her, realize girls do the exact same thing,
They absolutely do not, it's common sense that most women are attractive whereas most men are not. Men do not have standards, women get attention just for existing. This board alone is a testament to the total imbalance.

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>>37616455
I honestly don't know if I'm good-looking, but yes, I'm good at conversation, not withstanding my tendency to ramble about trivial interests of mine.

>>37616452
Unless you subscribe to a completely dualistic viewpoint, I'm hardly normal. And I do and will keep coming here. I've been here for years, and even if I'm not a NEET anymore, the fact is that you guys are people I've spoken to daily very often and I consider you my friends. I don't know your names, but I've definitely conversed with some of you with more frequency and sincerity than I have with many people I know IRL, without knowing it, and I'm not gonna ditch you just because my lifestyle and circumstances have changed.

>>37616501
Oh, I post every day while I'm at school, too. Summer changes nothing.

>>37616531
Not everybody does.

>>37616493
Oxytocin affects a lot of things, and it's produced by closeness with people. Relationships with other human beings are important to happiness, and they're something that helps fix people more than they are a reward for fixing yourself.

>>37616573
Well, yeah, because that type of girl is also being reclusive.

>>37616544
I hope this is b8 because that's some of the worst advice you can give to another person.

>>37616583
>Unless you subscribe to a completely dualistic viewpoint, I'm hardly normal. And I do and will keep coming here. I've been here for years, and even if I'm not a NEET anymore, the fact is that you guys are people I've spoken to daily very often and I consider you my friends. I don't know your names, but I've definitely conversed with some of you with more frequency and sincerity than I have with many people I know IRL, without knowing it, and I'm not gonna ditch you just because my lifestyle and circumstances have changed.
>dodge the issue and proceed to go on a tangent about how you like to slum it
ok

>>37616544
>Youre probably charming and interesting in your own way
Not really. I do have a penchant for poorly using pompous language, half self-deprecatingly and half because I despise normie dudespeak. That's basically it.

>>37616583
>and they're something that helps fix people more than they are a reward for fixing yourself.
Hmm. Well, I'll give you this: that's the first piece of advice from /r9k that actually made me reconsider my stance. I'll think about that.

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>>37616583
I don't know why everyone is so desperate to get a gf. I'm 21 year old KHHV here >>37616573 and I couldn't give less of a shit. I accepted myself as a loner and I stopped feeling sorry for myself. A life without dealing with all the complexities and anxieties of fitting in society as an outcast is an alright deal to me. I'd be lying if I said I'm not miserable but I think I'd be even more miserable if I force myself to be social, which is someone I'm definitely not.

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>>37616460
>I don't know how to have a female friend but I can't ever speak to them platonically
It doesn't have to be purely platonic. You're allowed to be sexually attracted to your gal pals, and you're allowed to crush on them. Human relationships aren't based on homogenous feelings. If you're good friends with a girl, and heterosexual, then chances are she's got qualities you'd like in a mate as well, and that's going to result in you having feelings that aren't platonic. Those don't negate or corrupt the platonic ones. Your feelings towards a person can be sexual, romantic, platonic, familial, etc. all rolled into one, and if you're really good friends with somebody, they can know that without it being weird. You can even have sex or say "I love you" or whatever without the platonic parts of the friendship being corrupted.

>>37616627
I honestly don't understand what this post says and would appreciate you laying it out for me more clearly so that I can avoid pissing off anons by doing the same thing in the future.


>>37616601
I think it was, in fact, b8.

>>37616649
Thank you. That genuinely means a lot to me.

>>37616682
Oh, I didn't necessarily mean a gf. Just relationships with other human beings. Contact. Interaction. Closeness. And if you're sincerely content without that, then hey, whatever floats your boat.

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>>37616682
Is it not completely obvious? You said yourself you've received plenty of validation. Virtually all human beings require some measure of social validation for a healthy psyche, even if they claim not to. There is a huge mental gulf between feeling you are at least somewhat desirable and feeling like you are not desirable at all.

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>>37616719
In my perspective, intimacy is far more trouble than it's worth. I rather stay a stranger to everybody because people tend to use that as an excuse to impose themselves on me. I don't even talk to my family so I realize I do have problems but I like myself as I am right now. Can't really yearn for things you don't even know and I want that to never change.

>>37616807
At least you acknowledge that you don't have anything to compare it against, and that it's based on outside impressions.

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>>37616719
>I honestly don't understand what this post says and would appreciate you laying it out for me more clearly so that I can avoid pissing off anons by doing the same thing in the future.
>the first reply accuses OP (presumably you) of not understanding the issue with robots at all and calls him a normie
>OP replies that he knows he's a normie
>the next reply then asks why OP tries to apply normie thinking to social dregs who have much different issues
>OP then says he's not a normie and goes off on a tangent about /r9k/ being his friends for some reason
>reply accuses OP of missing the point and going off on said tangent

>>37616719
>It doesn't have to be purely platonic.
This is important. There is a crucial difference between being friends with a girl and being in the friend zone.

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>>37616882
Got it. Thanks for actually making the effort to give me a detailed play-by-play like that.

You're right in that I don't and can't relate to being a "real" robot, and I apologize if I applied "normie" logic to people who it doesn't apply to.

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that I was being asked to justify coming to this place at all. I relate to you guys on a lot of points. This board was there when I went through an extremely bleak period of my life, and I appreciate that. I literally have autism, and I appreciate being able to talk about sperg things. And for what it's worth, this place is gut-bustingly funny, and I value the conversations that I have here. To reiterate my earlier point, I've probably had more conversations with anons here than I have with people I know face-to-face.

I apologize if my behavior was condescending or frustrating or somehow ignorant or something, and thanks again for giving me the explanation I asked for.

>>37615922
>Have any of you ever entertained the possibility that it's not the case that girls don't like you? And that maybe you're literally too autistic/too oblivious/dense to notice when you're being hit-on overtly?
This aplied to me when i was a kid, i was as dense as a shounen mc, but not anymore. While i agree that my social skills are below the average, it's almost impossible for a girl to like me the way i'm right now.

>>37615922
I had this one girl who liked me. But I'm just apathetic to the whole ordeal. Probably would have ended poorly anyway

>>37615922
I've had a girl come up to me and ask me if I'd know if a girl was hitting on me. It took me a while later on to realize she was. So yea probably.