>Pro-lifers BTFO

>>37472599
>read until the decision
>can't decide
>read on to see what ops point is
Am I a true pro lifer?

>>37472599
>you saved the baby
Wrong, I made you drop the baby because I wanted to make your smug ass suffer

>>37472599
Good argument. I made it once. It didn't work and I lost a friend in the heated discussion, because he got very passionate and wouldn't even let me back down and stop. During the divorce he took a few other friends we had in common.

Conclusion: don't try to argue with peasants. They get violent and win.

>>37472599
>want to kill them both
>can't decide
Does this make me pro-life?

>>37472599
Can I get a medical/genetic examination of each to determine if either have an hereditary conditions or retardations that might affect their lives?
Can I also get a psychic to take a peak into the future and see which one becomes NEET and which one becomes a useless wagie?

>>37472599
The only reason I am pro choice is because I pity the unwanted children that would be born if abortions was illegal. Being born to parents (usually single mother) that can't and don't want to financially and emotionally support your development is a great way to destroy your life.
On the other hand, I want roasties to face the consequences of their shitty life choices so they can get their shit together, rare as that may be in the current days...

>>37472599

Pro-lifers are fucking stupid. There is no reason, NONE, that abortions shouldn't be covered by the state. Same with birth control.

>b-but my FEEFEES!

Sorry that you can't force women to give birth. Sorry that you can't try to force women to go without sex because you think a woman with a healthy sex life who knows what she wants is somehow threatening. But your precious feefees don't override common fucking human decency, snowflake.

>>37472599
>>37472641
No, this is a shit argumet.

Being aware that there is a different does not fucking mean that one is ACCEPTABLE. It means you're aware that there's a difference! BOTH CAN STILL BE REPREHENSIBLE

I'm gonna shoot your mom, or your dad who's a dick. Well, shoot my dad I guess? But I still don't want you to shoot either and find them both reprehensible?

So this is the worst fucking argument of all time. Like, it baffles me how fucking stupid you'd have to be to think this is a good argument.

I'm against abortion but being aware there is a difference between a petri dish and a baby doesn't mean I'm suddenly BTFO .

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>>37472599
but an embryo wont survive outside of the womb.. its already doomed =(...

The baby can survive just fine.

>>37472817
>There is no reason, NONE, that abortions shouldn't be covered by the state. Same with birth control.
Lost me right there. Idgaf if you or any other roastie has an abortion. BUT YOU WONT GET MY FUCKING MONEY TO DO IT. Scrape it out with a goddamn iron hanger for all I care and hopefully die in the process. But you wont make me buy the hanger for some chick unless the baby is mine. There is ZERO absolutely ZERO reason why anyone but the people involved should fucking pay for it.

Their responsibility, their fault, their choice, THEIR GODDAMN MONEY.

>>37472825
The pro-life argument is that they are both complete humans.
If they are not both complete humans, as in one is "more human" than the other, then the argument that risking the mother's life, health and so on isn't worth the egg, since she is a human and a person, while the egg is yet not.

>>37472641


Ask me how I know you're American.

orginalio

>>37472921
subsidizing the prevention of more births is in your best interest you fucking moron

>>37472981
Then sterilize them instead.
Do we really need more retards on this planet anyway?

Seriously unless you got raped there's no excuse for abortion.

>>37472981
No, it is not. Subsidizing ANYTHING is not in my best interest. The same argument to subsidize birth has been used to create other idiotic things such as welfare. Which has done nothing but hurt people at large and benefit the worst of society. Take your own goddamn money and buy your own goddamn stuff you entitled pos.

>>37472921

>someone's house catches on fire
>"THEIR RESPONSIBILITY!!! IT'S NOT MY HOUSE SO WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS TO HELP THEM NOT BURN ALIVE?!?!?"

>someone is getting murdered
>"NOT MY PROBLEM!!! WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR COPS TO HELP THEM??"

>calls women "roastie", says he hopes they die while getting an abortion

wow it's almost like this "but why should I pay for it" argument is just a way of poorly disguising your anger at women who have the audacity to have sex or something

>>37473027
Heck let them abort all they want, as long as they can pay for it. Let them have all the children they want, as long as they can pay for it. Subsidizing it only leads to these people taking things for granted, demanding more money and acting irresponsible.

>>37473030
>i do not know what the definition of existing in a society is
go fuck off to the mountains then

>>37472599
They have a good point desu senpai

>>37472921
>>37472817
Lets meet in the middle: abortions should be subsidized by the state, by giving people who want abortion a very low interest loan to do so.
That way the taxpayer money isn't wasted, government can keep statistics on abortions, and the poor unedicated low IQ monkeys will not create more poor uneducated low IQ monkeys.

>>37472817
>There is no reason, NONE, that abortions shouldn't be covered by the state. Same with birth control.
Fuck off with that garbage. I ain't paying for a mistake some slut made, have her pay for her own shit. Seems Women decided to marry the state and start blatantly leeching off as many things they can.
>Sorry that you can't force women to give birth. Sorry that you can't try to force women to go without sex because you think a woman with a healthy sex life who knows what she wants is somehow threatening.
This has nothing to do with abortion. If the woman was stupid enough to get knocked up even with all of the preventive measures available today (especially when ignorance of them is impossible these days with all the sex ed) she should take responsibly for her actions like a fucking adult instead of being cobbled like the child she is and having her demands met.
Also, having sex with strangers every other day is not a healthy sex life, and they definitely don't know what they want. Studies clearly showed women that have less sexual partners stay married for longer and have healthier, more stable relationships.
>But your precious feefees don't override common fucking human decency, snowflake.
Oh the irony of calling someone a snowflake while being one yourself. AFAIK it's your kind that care about "feefees" a lot these days.
Now fuck off back to tumble you human piece of garbage.

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>>37472599

Except you never have to make a decision between one or the other. It's a false ultimatum.

>>37473134
>I ain't paying for a mistake some slut made, have her pay for her own shit.
you are when that mistake grows up in a broken household, becomes a junkie, and stabs you in the liver 20 years down the road

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>>37472817

Man shut up. If women don't want to get pregnant use birth control--ACTUAL BIRTH CONTROL. Issues of abortion shouldn't even be an issue in modern society. Just use fucking protection you irresponsible cunts

>>37473062
Very bog difference between things like Police and Firefighters whose duty is to safeguard the LIFE of EVERYONE and paying for another person's poor life choice.

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>>37472953
A 90 year old dude and a 5 year old girl are both humans, but if you had to shoot one you'd shoot the 90 year old dude. They're both still complete humans.

Also people getting abortions because there is danger to the mother is a tiny minority of the total number of abortions.

>>37473155

Then abort the slut who gets pregnant too. Unwanted pregnancy is a sign of stupidity anyways in the land of birth control. Kill the stupid roasties too

>>37472953
No, the pro life argument is that life is valuable.

We can make quality judgments about life though. You could shoot a 90 year old or a 5 year old, as another poster said, and we'd shoot the 90 year old. BOTH COMPLETE HUMANS YOU FAGGOT

God this argument is the fucking worst

>>37473062
Terrible and absurd comparison is terrible and faulty. One is the (usually) elected government enforcing the agreed upon laws and customs by which a society can function. The other one is other people being forced to take care of you and pay for your idiocy.

And no, men are free to get abortions and die off them all they want too if they could get pregnant. Hell I am wholly okay with them dying at any time AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DEMAND I FUCKING PAY FOR IT YOU FUCKING ENTITLED COMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT.

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>no one has made the correct argument so far

well, y'all deserve to lose.

>>37473215
you admit that yet you're not interested in the solution. you idiots are effectively getting handed eugenics and you say "not muh tax dollars"

>>37473196
>>37473231
Yes, and a developer person is more valuable than a human egg.

>>37473108

>let's meet in the middle: fuck women, but fuck poor women especially!

wow great solution you are a very smart person and are totally not a bitter virginal sociopath at all

>>37473134

>I ain't paying for a mistake some slut made, have her pay for her own shit.

that's not how civilized society works. see: police, firefighters, the military, roads. i know you never got picked when it was time for group projects in school but you'll have to learn how to work on a team eventually.

> If the woman was stupid enough to get knocked up even with all of the preventive measures available today

sorry, you'll need a better argument for depriving women of body autonomy than "muh responsibility"

>Studies clearly showed women that have less sexual partners stay married for longer and have healthier, more stable relationships.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW ANY BETTER LMFAO THEY STAY MARRIED LONGER AND ARE MORE STABLE BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE MISSING OUT ON BY STAYING IN SHITTY ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS

>>37473257
>you idiots are effectively getting handed eugenics

No we're not. Killing the pregnant slut would be eugenics. Paying for an abortion after an abortion for that whoring slut is just a waste of money. The solution is to NOT GET PREGNANT. USE BIRTH CONTROL YOU NON-THINKING NORMIE WHORE

>>37473191
Yeah it's almost as if we have agreed upon laws and limitations to help a society function and it requires some maintenance and enforcement of these rules. Because most people don't want to get murdered. While most people do not want to pay Bobs student loans or don't give a flying fuck about Traceys pregnancy. ODD! ALMOST AS IF THESE THINGS ARE WHOLLY DIFFERENT.
>>37473155
>I want a huge boat
>Dont have enough money
>Rob bank
>Get caught
>Send to prison
>Become career criminal
>Come out again and get into a drunken barfight
>Stab your parents who were at the bar

PAY ME OR I'LL END UP KILLING YOUR PARENTS IN THE FUTURE AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT!

>>37473155
And instead of diverting money to financially support lonely children/children who's parents are clearly not suited to raise them, they instead give a woman her demands and kill a future human being.

>>37472599
Okay, I'm pointing a gun at a baby and a gun at a 20 year old. I'm going to shoot one. You choose which.

Shot in the dark, you saved the baby.

Because you're aware there's a difference.

Now admit it, 20 year olds aren't human and people should be allowed to kill them.

Also, of course I'd pick the baby, the embryo is dead, it's in a petri dish. What kind of stupid fucking argument is this?

>>37472817
I'm sorry, but I'm not paying for irresponsible roasties. You can't force women to get birth, true, you also don't force them to have sex with everything that breathes.

>>37473184

>If women don't want to get pregnant use birth control--ACTUAL BIRTH CONTROL.

women will use it IF YOU PROVIDE IT TO THEM BUT YOU REFUSE TO DO SO BECAUSE "MUH SOCIALISM"

>>37473191

women's health IS everyone you fucking cretin

>>37473247

>Hell I am wholly okay with them dying at any time

you are definitely a balanced and sane individual and totally someone that should be taken seriously when it comes to discussing social policies

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>>37473283

>you idiots are effectively getting handed eugenics

>woman can't comprehend idea of responsibility

In other news

>>37473257
No, we are handed a bill. Unless it comes tied to sterilization we'll end up paying for a bunch of abortions before she squirts out a huge number of troglodytes whom we're going to be forced to pay for too. If you want to advertise to offer free and irreversible sterilization for people you might actually get some people who are willing to humor it.

>>37472599
I'm aware of the difference between a baby and an embryo, and a baby's life is worth MORE. But, an embryo is still a developing human and should be treated as such, it's extermination, your denying if it's life, is an immoral act.

quick poll, how many of you braindead retards aggressively arguing against your own interests came here from reddit.com/r/pol/?

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>>37473335
Here's a thought:

YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE SEX ALL THE FUCKING TIME

I know! Shocking! Sure, you have the right to, I'm not challenging that. But do you need to? No. So therefore, the government shouldn't be paying for it.

>>37472599
False dichotomy false equivalence.
The choice is between killing a fetus and not killing a fetus.
The relative values of a baby and an embryo aren't relevant

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>>37473335

Oh God. Now we have to buy it for you whores. Should the state buy your toothpaste too? Fucking roasties and their entitlement and their stupidity

>>37473374

>WHY WON'T YOU JUST DEPRIVE YOURSELVES OF A VITAL PART OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND HEALTH ON MY ACCOUNT? UGH!!!!

and, somehow, right wingers have the gall to talk about the LEFT being the ones controlled by feefees

>>37473390
Exactly this.

If you choose not to kill a fetus, you're not in turn killing a baby. You're just not killing a fetus.

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>>37472599
Abortion is degenerate. Nothing should be dying in a woman's womb.

Every chick I've ever known who had an abortion was a complete fucking basketcase.

>>37472817
Why would abortions be covered by the state? Why should tax payers have to pay for your fuck up, if you didn't want children you should have been on birth control, made the guy wear a condom, or made him pull out. Now if you can pay for your own abortion then fine.

>>37473335
>>37473283
There there roasties typing in caps lock is tiring, I know, but it doesn't make your "argument" (even of there were one) any better. So just stop and go to your Normiebook or Twitter or what ever POS website you tweebs regurgitate your stupid PC SJW ideology.

>>37473400

women don't exactly enjoy having to pay for police when it's men who commit the vast majority of crime but you don't see us saying that we shouldn't have to pay our fair share.

>women on the left are actually more responsible than men on the right

lmao

>>37473335
1. People refuse to provide it because it's not their goddamn business. This might be surprising to you but nobody is responsible for you or your decisions and nobody has to pay for them. You can make your own goddamn money and pay for your own goddamn stuff! I know, radical idea and all.

2. No, it's not. Women as a group do not exist. Individuals do. I am not responsible for some random chick in any kind of way. I have at no point accepted responsibility for her nor do I want to and she has no entitlement to anything I could provide whatsoever. Unless you want to argue the reverse is also true at which point you'd basically be a sexual slavery advocate. Shame on you!

3. Yes, I am. I simply do not care about people who do not matter to me, who are no friends of mine and whom I do not know. And it's the very same thing for you. Don't claim this isn't true. Right now millions of people are starving, children are getting maimed raped and murdered, thousands are being killed in gruesome ways. Unless you want to feel good and compassionate, you give no fuck about that at all.

>>37473411
>PAY FOR MY STUFF UGH!
Either you're retarded or a very dedicated troll.

>>37473155
If only children could be given away after birth!!!

>>37473443

>says i don't have an argument
>his "argument" literally just consists of "ESS JAY DOUBLE-U! GO BACK TO TUMBLR!"

>>37473438

this is becoming comical. you people are so fucking disconnected from society and other humans in general that you literally cannot comprehend the idea of working together for the common good

>>37473411
It's really not vital or necessary for health, though. I'm not saying you have to deprive yourself, just be aware of the consequences and don't whine when fucking people constantly creates a life.

>right wingers have the gall to talk about the LEFT being the ones controlled by feefees

Coming from the guy saying "SEX FEELS GOOD, SO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR ME HAVING IT WITHOUT THE CONSEQUENCE OF LIFE"

Neck yourself, faggot.

Also, I'd like to add to the argument. Let's say there's a serial killer who exclusively kills 19 year old women. On trial, he says "They're not human". Totally wrong, right? He claims he killed them because they didn't give him money, which did hurt him. If they gave him money, he wouldn't have been so poor. So he says "Well, I can prove they're not human, if I was going to kill a baby or a 19 year old woman, who'd you pick? You have to pick one". Obviously you'd save the baby, so therefore, by your logic, 19 year old women aren't humans.

And may I remind all of you, some of the worst atrocities in human history have been committed under the banner of "They're not human therefore it's okay". Slavery, the holocaust, armenian genocide, etc.

>>37473452

>>women on the left are actually more responsible than men on the right

>lmao

Making fun of yourself? Good on you roastie.

>>women on the left are actually more responsible than men on the right

lmao

Why in the world should government pay for your mistakes? The government doesn't even provide food and you think you're entitled to abortions?

>pay for police when it's men who commit the vast majority of crime

Yes it's women who call the police the vast majority of the time. Funny how that works

>>37473452
Well then it might be good news for you that you actually don't. The average modern working woman, is a net loss of around 100-500k for the state throughout her life. You are getting more taxes invested in you than you ever pay. New Zealand had some recent statistics on that, google them. You're welcome!

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These idiots would rather pay for the single mothers, junkies, thieves, murderers than to simply allow sluts to terminate their mistakes early

>>37473508
>The common good
>Giving you stuff for free you feel entitled to

This does not compute. Also, what exactly are YOU doing for the common good to warrant these things and how are you working for others?

It wouldnt matter which one he dropped since they are both humans and their lives are worth equal value :^)
Also im pretty sure an embryo in a petri dish is already a dead baby. Last time i checked they have to stay inside the womb until they are born.

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>>37473526
Holy shit, that too!

There are people who aren't eating enough food because they fucking can't, and yet fucking privileged roasties think that they should be able to fuck all over the fucking map using birth control without having to pay for it. Now, tearing down the wall, we all know roasties reeeeee is a meme, but these women are the fucking dictionary definition of roasties. They don't give a singular fuck about people not eating, they'd rather money go towards their disgusting putrid excuse for a vagina.

This is how low the human race has gone.

>>37473532

This is the reason why I go back and forth on this. I want Tyrones to be exterminated and such, but I want people to be responsible citizens ugh

>>37473532
You present this as an "either or" choice. Which is inherently untrue. I am against welfare etc in general. It has done nothing but devastate society and caused the worst type of people to breed out of control with no regards as they know the state will take care of them. If she can't afford an abortion or contraception she is likely to stupid to get either and she wont be able to afford feeding the child anyway without others paying.

>>37473335
go get a job you lazy cunt. pay your own bill.

>>37473508
The only argument you have is that women's wants should be catered to and as such everyone (mostly men) needs to get fucked over to do that. Not only is that misandry, but that's not how societies work. This isn't your communist utopia. There is a give and take.

>>37473532
I can see your point but abortions are expensive and avoidable so who should be blamed when the woman wants a abortion?
Society as a whole or the individual woman who clearly didn't use the available protection?

Maybe you could make a point for poor woman who can't afford to pay for it themselves and would instead chose to get the baby and then go on child support.

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>>37473508
>working together for the common good
>I should pay so sluts can abort their children

>>37472599
>embryo in a petri dish
AOHOHOHAHOAHAOAHOAHAOHAOAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHAHAHhshshshshshshshhHUAHUAHAUHAUAHAUHAUHAUAHUAHAUHUAHUAHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEEEEEEEEEE
That's impossible.

>>37473577
guess what women are probably going to get it because they are the majority of voters. women are raping the economy and driving the country to dept.

>>37473636
I get the poor woman argument, but she could prevent having children by not fucking without protection, or just not fucking at all! There's about an 80% chance that you are fine with a condom. But the only birth control method that works 100% of the time is not having sex.

>>37472599
An embryo in a petri [sic] dish is already dead.
>im not even pro life

>>37473369
Quick poll; How many of you brain-dead Communists arguing for the extermination of developing humans came from www.tumblr.com/leftypol?

>>37473532
>"Hey Stacy! Did you get your monthly abortion yet? They're free you know!"

>"yeah I had two last month and I've been fucking all over the place ever since! I'm so glad they removed Social Security in order to fund my poor choices!"

>>37473665
Yeah, but about 50% of women are against abortion, and more than that of men are against it.

Feminists always like to act like women are one big voting bloc, but they're not.

And you're right, we shouldn't have given women the right to vote. Biggest mistake of the 1900's, even ahead of replacing the Nazis with the EU.

>>37473532
This is the best argument for abortion, but it doesn't see the forest for the trees.

Abortion is a big reason why we have so many whores, roasties, or whatever you want to call them. It completely eliminates any responsibility for being a slut.

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>>37473532
Agreed

It is a particularly idiotic manifestation of christcuckery (or other religious beliefs) imo. I'm no liberal, but this particular sect wants to outlaw abortion, then shit all over single mothers for being irresponsible whores and bitch about government welfare programs designed to support the un-aborted kids

Another related manifestation of christcuckery
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/babies-with-down-syndrome-deserve-love-not-eradication

They'd rather the baby was born so that the mother, family, friends, society, everyone suffered additional burden and exhaustion from supporting it, just because human life is supposedly sacred and made by God.

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>>37473597
>>37473636


>I am against welfare etc in general.
This is funny as we're on a board full of adults dependant on welfare
Unless you believe in no welfare and realistically think that's going to happen then yes, it is an either or. By limiting abortions you WILL end up paying MORE as more leeches will be born

>>37473712
>/pol9k/

>>37473411
Vital part of human relationship? Bollocks. People, and even married couples, get along fine and dandy every fucking day without constant sex.

And besides, he didn't say have NO sex at all, he said to have less. That doesn't mean cut out sex all together, it means stop being a slut.

>>37473719
Or alternatively, sluts will know they don't have a free "get out of jail" card and as such will be more careful with prevention + having less sex to avoid the burden of a child on her decade of the cock carousel.

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>>37473742
>Not
A
>Fucking
Argument
>You
Cuck

>>37472599

An embryo inside a petri dish cannot survive and grow into a full human.

The choice is easy man, you are essentially holding a fully developed human in one hand and a piece of dead meat with 0 chance of survival in the other.

"Liberals" are so stupid it blows my mind.

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>>37473508
>Baby killing
>Common good

>>37473719
That's not what I said at all, read again.

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>>37473716
Another christcuck fuckup - importing 8 kids (7 males) from Africa into your white Tennessee neighborhood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1o1Spi_cf8

If even a few of them breed, the genetic repercussions will reverberate for generations

These people are mentally corrupted by their religion, they obviously don't give a shit about what science has to say concerning genetics and genomics and ways that potentially translates into human behavior and achievement.

One of the things Trump is doing wrong, with heavy pressure from the Pence/Cruz type crowd - making it harder to get abortions. Expect more black babies to be born, whites to decrease as a % of the population, and the Brazilification of the USA to accelerate.

>>37473817
>killing parasite's babies that would grow up in dysfunctional families to be parasites themselves

The overwhelming majority or abortions are initiated by poor genetic material.
We are better off without them.

Not only should abortion be legal, it should be mandatory for certain people. Maybe we would end up with less idiots like you that way.

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>>37473532
PUT

THE

CHILD

UP

FOR

ADOPTION

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>>37473716

>implying we should abort people with handicaps

>implying disability makes a person not worthwhile

I actually was planning on visiting Iceland. But the cuckery I hear is too much

>>37473862
yeah let's add to the hundreds of thousands of kids waiting in foster homes and shit who never get adopted and spend their whole life suffering, just to make you feel morally superior while you sit comfortably at home. I bet you never even considered adopting a child, jackass.

>>37473843

Abortion affects white birth rates more negatively than black birthrates.

Abortion is white genocide.

Learn math and statistics you dumbfuck.

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>>37473843

>implying the decrease in white population isn't white women's fault

>implying not bringing the niggers here would stop roasties from their love of 'travelling'

>>37473861
If that's the plan then they should just get sterilized to begin with.

>>37472641
>be me
>find out friend is pro-lifer
>utterly shocked, he's pretty liberal
>get in heated argument
>eventually agree to disagree and continue being friends
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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>>37472980
H-how...?

314

>>37473863
Stephen Hawking wasn't born with his handicap, maybe try not being fucking retarded with your arguments.

This is why retards should be aborted, so we wouldn't have people like you.

>>37473906
>Abortion affects white birth rates more negatively than black birthrates.

You are factually wrong. Margaret Thatcher literally set planned parenthood up for the sole reason of aborting black babies

>>37473862
But anon, dontcha know, it's better to be dead than alive and maybe not have a great life.

But oh, this presents an interesting dilemma. Why do people who just a second ago didn't care if a baby died suddenly care that it might not have a great life?

Well the answer is rather morbid, it's because abortion makes them consciously able to not feel bad about making bad decisions. But this doesn't affect the subconscious.

Amongst women who have had abortions, there's a much higher rate of suicide, drug abuse, and general mental illness. Why? Because at a very basic human level, we know that it's wrong.

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>>37473944

>implying my argument rests on one example and not a point of reason

>cuck can't comprehend reason

>cuck is mad af

>>37473954
>Margaret Thatcher

Haha you don't even know what you're talking about, get the fuck off this board you uneducated nigger.

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>>37472817
>you can't force women to give birth
>but you CAN force a man to go to war and DIE for roastie sluts
wew, I hate women so much

>>37473984
Ray Charles is a nigger, you're not helping your case here at all.

how about you just dont drop either?

>>37473992

I hope Chad treats them like shit. I know he will.

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>>37472599
So this is how brainlets think?

Here's my challenge to you:

Explain the fundamental difference between a baby that is just born vs one just about to be born.

You can't. There is none. You choose to strip that child of legal protection in order to give one person, the mother, sovereignty over the life of another person which is a fundamental violation of the classical liberal notion of equal liberty before government. The bodily autonomy argument is intellectually impoverished since we continue to recognize a legal duty of parents to provide for the basic biological necessities after birth and to do so the State must compel parents to use their body to labor to earn a wage. We hold parents criminally negligent if they let their child starve. This is directly synonymous to a mother using her body to feed and house the child. It is the burden of the pro-abortion advocate to reason why this legal duty of guardianship does not apply while the child is inside the womb. Similarly it is the burden of the pro-abortion advocate to reason why a child should not enjoy its legal right against others killing it while it is inside the womb but they should enjoy it outside the womb. Why is the child's physical location the distinguishing factor between the State allowing a person to kill it versus the State not allowing a person to kill it. Explain why physical location is what relinquishes a person's right to not be killed.

>>37473719
Welfare is basically non existant in most countries outside of the West and for good reasons. It was only introduced in countries such as Sweden when women became a huge voting block and has since done nothing but wrought damage. And yes, it is going to happen. Because the way countries run right now is not sustainable. We're in for a huge crash in the near future.

>>37473992
except we haven't had a military draft since fucking vietnam, don't be willfully ignorant.

>>37472599
but that doesn't use any critical thinking. you're just saying that your line is drawn somewhere between a baby and an embryo.

somebody else can use the exact same scenario with a baby and a grown man. who can you murder if you had to decide? you take a step back and realize that the whole point of this scenario is to justify murder. which is fine, but call it what it is. we legally murder people in various ways already. some people have the right to believe that life should be protected. you don't BTFO somebody just because you can rationalize doing something terrible for yourself using relativism.

>pro choicers BTFO! they have to witness other people have children HAHAHAHA

>>37472599
This pic is oozing with immature snarkiness and smugness. Guarantee a woman or nu male wrote the argument.

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>>37473990
Margaret Sanger
Margaret Sanger
Margaret Sanger
Margaret Sanger


IT WAS A MISTAKE!

>>37474040
what kind of an argument is that? war can start any time. and many young men died so you can have years of peace. kys

>>37474013

The point is some retarded people are pretty good in a similar proportion to non down syndrome people. And where do you go after down syndrome? What about fetuses with an extra toe, head too big, head too small, hell you know if the feminists have it their way once they abortion backed by the state they'll make it culturally acceptable to kill boys off but not girls.

>>37474018
liberals are convinced that we are "overpopulated" and will do anything to exterminate themselves and their loved ones off of this planet.

it's a brown, conservative future with an ez mode life for whatever jew or businessman survives.

>>37473863
Why exactly do we need people with downs syndrome?
Does God have a downs quota that we're messing with?
Are you fucking for real trying to equate Stephen fucking Hawking with someone with downs syndrome?
Are you offended because you yourself personally have downs?

Why are robots so against abortion?

>>37474040
Wars and the draft are extremely unpredictable. We could have a war/draft sometime this year for all we know.

Not only should abortion be legal, but children should be considered the property of their parents and have no rights of their own. A parent should be free to sell, trade, give away, or kill an unwanted child long after they've been born, up to about age 14 or so. They should also be free to raise them however they please, including physical abuse as punishment, forced labour to supplement family income, etc.

If you argue against this then, sorry pal, you're a cuck who supports letting your children be raised by the state. No two ways about it.

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>>37473906
>Abortion affects white birth rates more negatively than black birthrates.
This is just factually incorrect. See pic related or google some statistics for yourself.

>Learn math and statistics you dumbfuck.
Your post is pretty ironic, considering that blacks are 14% of the population yet the number of black babies aborted is almost equal to the number of white abortions. Also because I have a CS degree, which includes Calculus III and an elective statistics credit. Keep being an ignorant low-IQ NEET tho

So yeah, my point stands - if you make abortions harder to get, it will just result in more blacks.

>>37474150
You're so retarded it hurts.
Jesus fucking christ anon just think about what you said for two seconds.

>>37474172
I know I'm right. You can't think of a good argument that doesn't boil down to "b-but muh feels ;_;" so you just go ahead and pull the retard card like it advances the debate in any way (hint: it doesn't)

So how about you fuck off with this jew propaganda where we're supposed to willingly give up our freedom to raise our children over fake morals that your thalmud taught you to teach the goys or whatever.

>>37473862
90% of children left for adoption never get adopted
they have very high crime and suicide rates too, and very high mental illness rates

>>37474139
>Why are robots so against abortion?

Hmm, I wonder why bitter, jaded, sexually frustrated robots want females to be shamed by society and weighed down for life with unwanted children just because they like sex

>>37472599
I'm anti-life. Drop both.

>>37474211
Imagine for a second that your parents are psychos. They, under your laws, have free reign to do whatever they want. They can torture you, molest you, shit, even kill you if they want.
Forgot to wash the dishes? Welp, you're dead.

Seriously, just think about the world under your rules. Think this through for half a second, think rationally.
I'm not going to bother replying to you any more after this because what you believe is so goddamn retarded I don't know where to begin with most of it. That and if you genuinely believe the things you're saying there's absolutely no hope for you and there's no talking or reasoning with you.

Get off of /pol/ every now and then anon, it seems like you drank way too much of the kool-aid and took a lot of the ideals way way way too far.

>>37472599
The baby is already been born and has merit to surviving beyond that. The embryo hasn't been born yet and there's no guarantee that it'll survive past the womb.

>>37474139
the white supremacist site Stormfront has had an ongoing campaign for years to shill white supremacism, fascism, and "traditional values" on /pol/ and other parts of 4chan where users are seeking an identity and are subject to radicalization.

Unfortunately this has been going on for so long that people think it's normal and that being a neo nazi is just this hilarious meme that everyone is into.

Abortions should be illegal is having a baby really the worst thing no they just love being whores with no responsibility.

>>37474301
why does it have merit? human children don't learn to feed themselves instinctively

>>37474310
It's not a hilarious meme, we're genuine. There's nothing wrong with defending your race, just like there's nothing wrong with defending your friends or family.

>>37474322
births should be illegal is having a baby even good for the universe? No humans just cant get over their ego and have to make little versions of themselves

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>>37474310
Are you with these people?

>>37474364
the edge it's too sharp

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>>37474139
I am only against white people getting abortions

I think it should voluntary, widely available, free (maybe even government subsidized or compensated) and that the government should employ Kendrick to write raps to remove the stigma and promote the prestige of getting an abortion

this is one intelligent roastie worth reading imo (she launched Planned Parenthood, a liberal Democratic sacred cow of the progressives)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

>>37473780
They will never, ever make this responsible decision.
I have no idea how you faggot can look at a woman and think "she's only this stupid and slutty because she thinks abortions will protect her." Dumb whores have always been dumb whores and always will be, no matter what the consequences for themselves are, because they're too shortsighted to look 9 months into the future.
Abortion isn't protecting women from consequences, it's protecting society from the criminal human dregs that result from """parenting""" by single mothers.

>>37474322

It's the worst thing but it's pretty bad. No point in bringing life into the word if it's not wanted or can't be raised properly.

>>37474310

I'm pretty conservative and hate shitskins yet I still don't see the problem with abortion as long as it's before the first trimester.

>>37474286
A kid who doesn't wash the dishes when asked deserves to be beat.

The world under my rules would be much better. Children would grow up with some actual fucking disciplene, degenerates who shouldn't have had kids will willingly clean up the gene pool themselves, and ultimately society will be much more free and productive. Our culture would be restored as Jewish influence via school and etc. is waned away in favour of parents getting to make their own decisions for their child's education, our economy would benefit from the new labour force entering the market, and we would have less spineless bleeding heart saps like you able to dictate policy with your votes since your parents would have beat some sense into you.

>>37474427
I think almost all would grow to love their child.

>>37474357
Thanks for helping to prove my point, shill.

>>37472817
>you can't force women to give birth.
That's covered under rape and kidnapping laws.

>>37474427
>I'm pretty conservative and hate shitskins yet I still don't see the problem with abortion as long as it's before the first trimester.

This puts you into the Alt-Right camp.

Traditional conservatives (McCain, Bush, Pence, Cruz, etc.) and neocons especially use religious arguments to influence their politics. They are anti-abortion and anti-racist. McCain wanted amnesty and a path to citizenship for millions of Mexican illegals, do you forget that?

>>37474492
I have literally never visited stormfront. The impression I've gotten is that it's full of tryhard boomers who can't take a joke. That kind of white nationalism is a dead end. The future is memes.

>>37474533
>Traditional conservatives (McCain, Bush, Pence, Cruz, etc.)
What the fuck are they conserving?

>>37474539
The future is free association

>>37474475

Some parents will never love or even care about their child.

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>>37474533
>>37474566
Senator John McCain (ran against Obama for president in 2008) also adopted a daughter from Bangladesh (pic related), let his son marry a black woman, wanted citizenship for millions of hispanics, was photographed in Syria with rebels who later joined the terrorists, and thinks Putin hacked the election and is a bigger threat than ISIS. How these people are even Republicans beats me. This is the kind of swamp that Trump goes on about

>>37474576
So you're willing to throw out the Civil Rights Act, then? I'm with you on that.

>>37472599
You're the one threatening to drop a baby retard, that's on you and nothing to do with anyone else, this level of 'argument' is for women and niggers.

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ABORTION IS BAD YOU GUYS PEOPLE LIKE THIS DESERVE TO BREED AS MUCH AS THEY WANT YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE IF YOU DON'T WANT A CHILD WITH A HIDEOUSLY MUTATED FACE IN FACT IT IS YOUR DUTY TO BREED WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS GENETIC DEFECTS OTHERWISE YOU ARE SUPPORTING A PRIVILEGED POWER STRUCTURE COME JOIN THE MARCH FOR MUTANT RIGHTS!

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>>37474539
>The future is memes.

memes and anonymity are the best political armor, people who even begin to take /pol/ seriously about anything when constructing an argument are doomed

The only choice they have is to shut it down. Watch for attempts to make anonymity, pseudonyms, and usernames illegal on the internet sometime in the 2020s. You'll get a government ID card and have to use real name sign in to even get on the internet.

>>37473906
Abortions are disproportionately carried about by black people in the US. Where are you getting your info?

>>37474775
Memes existed before the internet, we just didn't understand their power. It's too late now, they can't close Pandora's box.

>>37473719
>>37474039

So how can we dismantle the welfare system? Taking women's right to vote is even less feasible.

By the time the collapse happens won't it be too late and will people even rise up? South African whites are getting genocided and the country's falling apart yet there's no political shifts or even much of a fuss.

>>37473940
Consumed by ideology. It's sad.

>>37473906
>if I tell him to learn math, it implies that I have already done so and thus know what I'm talking about
>this will conceal my ignorance
>they'll never know that the statement I just made is objectively untrue and statistics which prove its falsehood are readily available to anyone willing to make even a cursory attempt to inform themselves

>>37474880
This sort of thing can't be consciously changed, we can only observe it as it happens. The rise and fall of nations is just another form of weather. Read "The Fate of Empires".

The fact is, abortion is murder. Everyone knows it and no one is going to have a leg to stand on on judgment day. I'm past arguing about it.

>>37474932
You're factually incorrect. It's killing, but it's not murder. Murder is *illegal* killing, and abortion is legal.

>>37474433
You sound like a fictional-villain, anon-kun.

>>37472817
t. Roastie
Fuck off, robot. You're gay.

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>>37474968
Non-ASCII text is not allowed blah blah

>>37474932
War is murder too but it doesn't stop you retard christcucks from justifying it.

Abortion is great for shitskin control, which is what Margaret Sanger intended it be for.

>>37474969
On the contrary, I'm the only person here with the greater good in mind.

It's just incredibly callous.
Obviously fetuses are lesser life forms, but to extinguish them so casually is really disgusting.
We treat domesticated animals we destroy with more dignity and consideration.

That people will abort normal fetuses that would develop into healthy people strikes me as the height of hypocritical barbarism.
I think you should be made to kick a puppy to death if you want to abort a child.

>>37475084
Except we don't do abortions by kicking women in the stomach, retard. A more apt comparison would be humanely euthanizing a puppy.

>>37475056
>War is murder too
On what basis? War is necessary for the survival of a nation-state. The only way the world could exist without war is if every single nation that exists refused to engage in it. If even one nation did, then the nation that's being attacked for its own survival would be required to engage in war. What you're saying is akin to saying killing in self-defense is murder. Develop your thoughts more

>>37474310
Shill or brainwashed newfag spotted.

/pol/ was far right even back when it was /new/.

Leftists constantly come here and try to raid and spread this meme. 4chan was "edgy" and somewhat libertarian then became more far right overtime. It was a natural progression and not some shilling campaign.

>>37475105
Aborting a developed fetus is basically surgical dismemberment.

I'll compromise and say they should be made to butcher a puppy in an induced coma.

>>37475122
>christcuck attempts to justify war/murder just as predicted

good job

>>37475130
/pol/ was being invaded by stormfront back when it was /new/, pretty much from the beginning. keep on shilling, shill.

>>37474402
Avoidance of hardship is an instinct in 99.9% of humans - even the dumb ones. Get rid of welfare , free birth control, and abortions and watch women start becoming modest again. Sure there'll be a few exceptions, but that's not the rule.

>>37475150
eh, I've done it in science class before. it's nbd, just like abortion.

>>37472599
Not even prolife but this argument sucks, a fully formed baby obviously has a significantly greater chance of survival and anyone with a brain would pick the baby, but that in no way disproves the value of the embryo as human life.
>this human is more valuable than that one
>so its okay to kill it
But I guess this just leads back to the delusion of equality being the true flaw

>>37472837
Nuh uh libtarded

>>37474929
Trump consciously changed American politics and he's just 1 man without a political machine who was way outspent.

Surely movements of people can make large shifts.

>>37475242
You're a callous person.

>>37475320
better than being soft and spineless like you.

>>37475081
>he unironically believes this
You should have your own reality show.

>>37475194
Self defense is justified. Aggressive and cruel wars are not. Read Augustine's Just War Theory. It's the basis of modern day laws and ethics regulating war and came from a Christian theologian.

>>37475341
If you can get me in contact with an agent, I certainly wouldn't mind dishing out some cold hard truth on television.

>>37475275

Equality doesn't exist, it's a fabricated world view meant to make people feel good.

>>37475378
>he can't stop trying to justify murder

holy shit what the hell is wrong with Christians?

>>37472641
No, its a terrible arguement designed solely to back prolifers into a corner with mental gymnastics instead of actually presenting a point based on reason. Really most "X is correct because Y isn't" shit like this is only really good for pissing people off or circle-jerking, probably one of the worst ways to convince someone with "opposing" views to take your view into consideration.

>>37475217
Look at that immediate, baseless projection. I can tell you're a leftist and probably an unpaid shill from some lefty shithole.

You didn't even know about /new/ until I mentioned it - how are you so sure of that?

>>37475413
Murder is illegal and/or unjust killing. Proportionate self defense is legal and just.

>>37475084
It's still not an equivalent comparison though. If you wanted something on the level of the fetus that gets aborted, you'd be at "kill a fly". Which people do. People commonly kill considerably more advanced beings all the time - although you're right that many are hypocrites here, because typically the type of person to be all over legalizing and subsidizing abortion is also going to be all over animal rights and much more likely to be vegetarian.

>>37475431
actually I remember moot shutting down /new/ because, in his exact words, "it became /stormfront/"

nice try though natsoc shill

>>37475465
>killing is just when muh Christian values say it is

just give up retard

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I made my choice.

>>37475385
The problem with people like you's arguments is the fact that you fail to think of people as people.
Always with the: "We could be so productive, just everyone shut up, stop having fun and work damn it!"
That ain't never gonna happen, buddy boy. you can whip, enslave and try to convince people they're objects built solely for production all you like, but the human spirit and the inherent yearning for freedom will always prevail.

>>37475512
>killing is just when muh Christian values say it is
Exactly. Christian values come from Christ, who is Lord of all creation.

>>37475571
if Christ said to sacrifice your firstborn you would probably do it you fucking barbarian

>>37475335
You'd have to prove it first.
I don't think cutting up animals unnecessarily is right.
Doesn't mean much else.

You, on the other hand, do. That is callous.

>>37473196
What if the girl was a rapist? I'd kill the little girl instead any day of the week.

>>37472599
I'm not pro-life but this is retarded. One's already done and the other isn't even functioning out of a womb and is far more susceptible to death. A baby would be able to survive better and even a pro-lifer would know the difference. An abortion isn't a two-hostage situation either, you're not choosing between the two when you take the vacuum cleaner to the baby-oven. Do you stuff a fully-functioning baby back into the womb with that embryo and go "okay pick one" when aborting? You're only choosing if something lives or dies, not if one thing dies and another lives. If anything that's more of a case against abortion because you are presenting a moral dilemma frequently dealt with by people who may or may not want to abort a child. Even a food analogy would be better because it's at least retarded enough to be funny.

>>37473452
Women have given birth to 100% of all criminals.

>>37475492
"Becoming" stormfront in that fag's opinion =/= Being "infiltrated" by stormfront.

>>37475571
This is why our government was built to separate Church and State, because brainless bible thumpers who can't tell fact from fiction couldn't fuck things up for the rest of us.

>>37474119

Life is more complicated than you make it. Dumb people are not necessarily not worthy people or not good people.

>>37473438
Because it's cheaper, you retard. If you don't pay for the abortion/birth-control, you're either going to pay for the kid through orphanage/welfare OR you'll pay for the crimes that child will commit (common consequence of single motherhood).

Paying for abortions/birth control is in society's best interests. It'd be even cheaper if they didn't fuck, but that's not what happens.

>>37476348
>Dumb people are not necessarily not worthy people or not good people.
I never said they weren't.

>>37472599
>implying an embryo in a petri dish would survive anyways
shit analogy from retards once again

>>37472599
No, i let the baby fall because theres a chance itll survive the drop

>>37476457
What is with all the scientific illiterates in this thread? Under the proper care a human embryo could absolutely become a viable human baby. Ever heard of an egg transplant? Surrogate mothers? Christ you people are an embarrassment.

>>37476516
you're clearly desparate for a (You)
there you go
now leave

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>>37472599
The baby is more valuable because it's at a delicate point in it's life. The embryo hasn't developed very far and isn't as valuable, but it still counts as a potential life, which makes you a piece of shit for dropping either one. Is this really the best libtards can do?

>>37475893
out of arguments, shill? just gonna fall back on the tired old "call them a retard" tactic? you nazi types have always been fucking cowards who can't even defend your own beliefs because you know deep down they're ridiculous and you only cling on to them out of a desperate desire to fit in.