anyone else /spiritual/ not the "white washed" type,

>>37421322
I have just been doing a lot of LSD and it has given me a lot of very existentialist thoughts. I believe in God. Maybe the buddhist got a few things right.

>>37421359
what kind of thoughts bro?

I am currently trying to build my theoretical foundation of what it is to be enlightened. Recently I have been using Leo Gura's videos as well as some of his book recommendations as a guide but sometimes it's hard because I've been at this journey of self-actualisation for a couple of years now and I still don't feel like I understand with enough clarity.

Also I plan to take DMT pretty soon.

>>37421359
buddhism seems to be pro-death, which i think is pretty bad. spiritual transhumanism is the future, i think.

>>37421359
>very existentialist thoughts
> I believe in God
Learn the meaning of phrases before you use them please

Gaudiya Vaishnava devotee reporting in. Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

*tips turban*
*unrolls yoga mat*
*lights incest*

>>37421322
No OP, I'm not gay.

>>37421614
Check out this faggot that never heard of Kierkegaard.

>>37421322

I feel like an addict.
I have in the past experienced the peaceful bliss of detachment via a strong meditation practise.
But I'm right now stuck in a cycle of pleasure seeking > regret > run away from feeling of regret by seeking pleasure.
The whole time I am watching myself and feel worse for it.

talk to me about enlightenment when you aren't retarded enough to post wojak/pepe images like a memeing faggot trying to fit in

>>37421780
Someone sound angry here.

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>falling for a chink meme literally designed to keep the plebs contented with their shitty lives

Wew lad, you're truly enlightened.

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>>37422717
>having a surface level understanding of a philosophy and thinking you don't

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>>37421322
>the legit kind
>God consciousness

>>37422924
you don't think it's real? why not.

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>>37421322
>>37421322
>not unironically being an esoteric nazi

National Socialism and the Hitlerian Path is the supreme brahman

>>37422733
but it really just seems like you're spending time with some escapist fantasy. I mean I do the same thing, but at least i can turn off my playstation.

>>37422951
well, what can I say? I plan to keep my playstation on full time, my bro.

>>37421322
They're only unfulfilling because you've made them so by acting unconsciously. People are taking the spiritual path for the wrong reasons though and becoming even less joyful and more closed off to life than those who drink and masturbate all day.

If you want to be joyful, you must do the right thing with your body, mind, and energy. Have you ever even read the user's manual? Everything you need to know is right here if you're willing to pay attention.

When in each breath you become aware you're going to die one day and realize everything is right here already for you to experience true joy, then we'll talk about union with the divine.

>>37423007
Union with the divine is all I care about desu. you're not an authority. stop acting like one. I'll "get there" eventually. it'll be great. I'll start a fun ass cult.

>>37423037
The only authority is the truth. Take what makes sense to you and leave the rest.

>>37423067
now you're just spouting cliches, dude. please go.

>>37423067
I actually take it back. good advice.

>>37421322
Not anymore
I was pushed off that boat
But it's almost okay, I had a really sustained and rewarding experience with it. I really don't know what to do now though except suicide and hope that a reroll or unroll will fix things.

>>37421605
I think that's because buddhism asserts that spiritual transhumanism has already happened, like in several iterations, is only the expression of a pattern, and is cyclical, always leading back here in the end when some overlooked force knocks you back down after literal, unfathomably long eons of stability. Also that it's devoid of any essential meaning (who knows about that, really), as all things are. Like you have to remember that buddhism at least -tries- to be really, really macrocosmic, to the point where the future isn't really a thing because that requires a smaller frame of reference.

Still I agree that spiritual transhumanism is the future, it's certainly being pushed very hard in mainstream media, and if nirvana isn't just a meme (or spirituality in general) it's also probably the best way to get to it.

Also I don't think buddhism is pro-death, because death is a part of "the cycle", which is uncool, but maybe pro-meta death (death of the cycle rather than whats in it), or pro-a keanu reeves meme image that says "dude what if like, we're already dead, but we don't realize it?".

I'm talking out of my ass tho so idk, literally just making shit up and posting it.

>>37424356
>I'm talking out of my ass tho so idk, literally just making shit up and posting it.

So is every other Buddhist. Don't sweat it bro.

Btw, selflessness > personal pleasure and endeavors.

>>37424420
not him, but curious, whys that?

>>37421322
I had this theory about consciousness. My idea is that there is a pool of consciousness beyond our sight, and parts of our brain tap into this eternal source. That explains why whenever parts of our brains are destroyed we lose this consciousness.

>>37424512
Because if everyone went their own separate ways, nothing could be achieved.

People would be fighting for survival, not feel satisfied with anything they earn, and have an unfulfilling life in general.

If one works with others, and cares/provides for them, then not only is there mutual benefit, but trust and fulfillment in your life and earnings.

>>37424519
So rather than being consciousness tapping into unconscious material, like a soul-based faith would probably assert we are, we are the unconscious material, tapping into consciousness? That's grim.

>>37424564
isn't that too vague though? "be selfless "? couldn't that easily be overdone, in a way? couldn't someone end up giving too much and end up with nothing for themselves? or would what they give come back to them?

>>37424651
Helping someone can't be overdone unless you expect something out of someone.

If you are willing to selflessly provide others with care, food, hope, etc and have no expectations, then there will be others who will do the same.

>>37424588
You got it anon. That's exactly right.

>>37421605
Why is pro-death bad? Suffering comes from living and the only way to escape the unsatisfactoriness of life is to transcend the cycle of rebirth thus fading into the void. To desire death is one of the three hindrances to Nirvana, yes, but the goal of the Buddhist spiritual path is not to die but to transcend death and birth by being no more.

The first lie the serpent said to Eve was "Surely you shall not die."

>>37424420
Yeah, most Western Buddhist talk out of there ass because we have bastardized Eastern Spirituality to absolute hell. Western "Buddhists" need to read some actual literature and peak at the Pali canon not listen to Alan Watts and skim Wikipedia.

>>37424688
>>>37424651 (You)
>If you are willing to selflessly provide others with care, food, hope, etc and have no expectations, then there will be others who will do the same.

going a bit out on a limb by saying that no?

>>37424762
nah bro. intellectual understanding is mostly useless. You need direct experience to truly understand and to be able to completely convey wisdom to others imo.

>>37424764
No, because it attracts people who want someone to trust. It might take time, but it'll happen.

>>37424798
are you speaking from direct experience my friend?

>>37424814
Indeed I am. :)

I did have to swim through a sea of assholes though.

>>37424778
That's the Zen perspective, sure, but don't conflate the New Age "just open your pineal gland and feel Ra tickle your balls!" with an actual religion. Even Zen has more structure than "just experience it, man."

>>37421714
I know your exact feel.

This cycle has gone for like 1-2 years now, meditation becomes a once or twice a month thing, its not good but its difficult to correct, still trying

>>37424762
>The goal of Buddhism is to wipe yourself out of existence permanenetly

Thats fucking retarded desu, not an ideology I say I can agree with.

One also has to consider many Buddhist teachings were for the student and master relationship and fostering attachment to the monastery and the order, and those unfiltered teachings collide with the different mindsets and liberties of Western civilized people and create disharmony, thats why adopting Ancient Buddhism dogma 1:1 is also retarded because that was meant for a specific sect and way of living that is at odds with the Western way.

Adopting secular mindfulness though is the proper way I think. Western individalism and values with Eastern mindfulness and introspection is the key to a healthy society, and right now our Western society is sorely lacking in the latter.

Tom campbell is the answer...

>>37424356
>>37424762
I think we're supposed to overcome death through science and technology, which is why I don't like Buddhism in that regard. It teaches acceptance and the ability to not let things overwhelm you, but it's also like "you're gonna die so just let it happen, no big deal".

>>37426199
you can't overcome death through science but you can through the buddha, thats exactly what he teaches. every physical thing in the universe has to come to an end at some point. Thats the cycle of life and death.

There is a way out though attaining a higher understanding through buddhism. If you're still attached to the idea that you can physically keep things forever then you're still cycling through life and death, but if you can learn the dharma you can see that our physical manifestations is not all to be had and we're able to ascend from it escaping death.

>>37426199
Look, you can try to keep everything, and have everything under control, but that is suffering. The universe has its ways, it will eventually come and try to wreck your shit. Eventually you're going to lose the willpower to keep it all together. maybe you're young and haven't experienced it yet but at some point you're going to experience loss and realize buddha was right all along. If you've been following the dharma correctly then you wouldn't become depressed and feel like commiting suicide instead you'd carry on with life as if nothing happened.

>>37425189
Why is that such a retarded ideology? It's better than eternal damnation or eternal bliss through ignorance. A desire to never be is very strong in many people.
I completely agree that a Secular Mindfulness is incredibly beneficial for both the spiritually inclined and the die hard non-believers on a purely psychological sense. My only issue is the conflation between this and the religions called Buddhism. Each sect of Buddhism, as you've mentioned is slightly different in it's dogma but that does not mean that we can call our Western bastardization a Buddhism because it is inorganic. It would be like a Rastifari to claim himself to be a Christian. Or even the debate about whether Mormons are truly Christian or not. Christians aren't Jews even though half of their book is just Judaism 1.0.
Westerners can not be Buddhist unless they adopt themselves into a specific sect of Buddhism.

>>37426199
The universe will eventually either collapse or freeze. How will you survive that death?

>>37426722
Because the universe-turtle will never die.

>>37421322
>>37421359
>>37421605
Yall motherfuckers ever read John Horgan?

His essay "Why I Don't Dig Buddhism" is great but his stuff on the death of science is what led me to him. I think you guys and other robots ITT might enjoy him.

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>>37426736
Does Mr Turtle swim or does he have n+1 buddies?

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>>37426722
>eternal damnation or eternal bliss through ignorance

My views on the afterlife are different than yours I suppose, whatever it doesn't matter because none of that can be proven with absolute certainty.

>Westerners can not be Buddhist unless they adopt themselves into a specific sect of Buddhism.
I'm not saying we should be Buddhist, I'm saying there are elements of their philosophy or at least mindset that are beneficial to us that we should adopt and get new perspective over, especially mindfulness and meditation, but yeah keep that separate from Buddhism itself, I agree, it shouldn't be called Buddhism at that point but thats alright its taken the elements of it that are beneficial yet not mired in dogma meant for the master - student relationship.

Also,
>not believing in the multiverse

>>37426450
Yeah... there's a difference between it ending because you're evolving into something "higher" and it ending because you just waited until everything was destroyed.

>>37426603
I've had my physical and mental health taken away from me, I've experienced plenty of suffering. I said that the good thing about Buddhism is that it teaches you to deal with whatever happens in a stoic way, but it's still more of a pro-death ideology. I don't like that.

>>37426722
>The universe will eventually either collapse or freeze. How will you survive that death?
People have been theorizing about how they will stop that, or use it to their advantage in some way with science and technology for a long time. I can't say how, it would require technology vastly more advanced than what we have now and it would only be a guess.

>>37426811
Never heard of him but it sounds interesting, I'll check it out.

>>37426925
Universe-turtle swims throughout space. Just mediate your entire life and you'll see for yourself.

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>>37429026
you can't be pro or anti-death, its going happen no matter what. And what the buddha says to that is don't waste life on petty things and live life to the fullest so you won't regret.

The Ancient Romans had a similar ideology, it was probably the reason what made them great.

>>37429260
There are a lot of people who think otherwise, that with science and technology death can be overcome. This makes more sense and feels more "right" compared to just sitting around and watching everything you care about die and be destroyed.

I know you'll say that it's impossible, it'll never happen, you just need to do X to deal with it like the Buddha says, etc. I don't want to get into a long debate about it because we most likely won't change each other's minds. But, that's my stance on the issue and I hope you'll keep thinking about it. I've already thought and read about Buddhism for a long time and don't like that aspect of it.

>>37429337
I wouldn't say the core of Buddhism is incompatible with transhumanism. At it's core Buddhism is a very materialistic philosophy. So, if you able to overcome the material death (because your brain is just sufficiently complex material) you really shouldn't die. But, then that makes the whole "coming to terms with death" thing pointless making Buddhism essentially obsolete.

>>37421322

Oh holy one, I am afraid that having no sex isn't something you chose in your life.

The divine is like water
bringing help to all without competing
choosing what others avoid
hence approaching the Tao
dwelling with earth
thinking with depth
helping with kindness
speaking with truth
governing with peace
working with skill
moving with time
and because they don't compete
they aren't maligned